User talk:MacGyverMagic/Archive 12

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Thanks for catching and fixing my SNAFU. I will write out copy and paste 100 times "be careful when copying and pasting" Here we go ... be careful when copying and pasting ... be careful when copying and pasting ... -- ALoan (Talk) 12:21, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Charles Rosher[edit]

Per your suggestion, I have expanded Charles Rosher a bit but I don't know too much more. I hope this will be sufficient for you. I'll see if I can find more. JRP 01:49, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Re: Neil Mallender[edit]

thanks for info! I want it because he is my friend, and i like to see it. if ur a sysop, could u please do it? Supersaiyanplough|(talk) 04:54, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

eerste ontmoeting[edit]

ik zou iedereen graag willen uitnodigen te overwegen of zij een rol willen en/of kunnen spelen in de oprichting van een nederlandse wikimedia-organisatie. een eerste ontmoeting wordt momenteel georganiseerd, zie daarvoor hier, op de wiki. er zijn nog vele stappen te nemen, en meer wikianen nodig, om e.e.a. op verantwoorde wijze verder te ontwikkelen. Radiant_>|< 10:50, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Waterloo Vase[edit]

Sorry, I don't have any more info! How far short of 1000 bytes is it? -- ALoan (Talk) 12:01, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If wiki markup is included, I think it is currently 966 characters (1135 including spaces). The plain text is only 796 characters (957 including spaces). -- ALoan (Talk) 12:13, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
OK - I've added the best external link Google can find... Oddly, there is not much about the vase anywhere on the internet, it would seem. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:28, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
User:Giano subsequently expanded it nicely, and even added a reference. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:01, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Thanks for signing my entry on DYK! — Knowledge Seeker 16:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Belated thanks[edit]

Thanks for supporting my RFA nearly a month ago. Unfortunately a sad event occurred at that time in my family, and I have not been able to participate in Wikipedia as much as I would like. I hope to get back to active contribution soon. Thanks again! Cheers, FreplySpang (talk) 01:19, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Karl Scherer[edit]

Karl Scherer was created by User: (contributions: [1]), who has no other contributions. Using a simplified version of the text that Karl Scherer added (as User: at this edit) to Turing Machine. It is consequently likely that User: is Karl Scherer, in the "vanity page" ilk.

The connection between User: and Karl Scherer is the highly obvious "zillions games as external links" added in the same edit to Turing Machine, as User:Karlscherer3 is extremely fond of doing.

Consequently, I urge you to change your vote on this VfD to delete. ~~~~ 22:02, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio on "Did you know"[edit]

Since you seem to be this template's caretaker, I figured I should tell you that the item on the pharaoh ant was removed as a copyvio, and I replaced it with another item from the talk page:

...that the Turin papyrus, prepared about 1160 BC for Ramesses IV's quarrying expedition to Wadi Hammamat near the Red Sea, is the earliest known geologic map?

I don't quite know the procedure here, and I'm sorry if I messed up your queue, but I think any item is better than none. — Dan | Talk 00:39, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Request for Mediation, Please! :)[edit]

Hi MacGyver! I'm sure you've heard of the new Hillary Clinton expose that was just published. (The Truth About Hillary: What She Knew, When She Knew it, and How far she'll go to be President) by Edward Klein. I purchased the book out of morbid curiosity and thought Wikipedia would like to have a book summary. So I wrote one on the page, which had very little info on it, and did my upmost to be as middle-of-the-road as possible. Everyone seems to like the article but one particular users continues to object to the fact that we have characterized two people who have made comments on the novel as liberal and conservative. Matt Drudge, who is responsible single-handedly for it being a Number 1 amazon best-seller was identified as conservative. Joe Conason, who had made the first liberal response to it was identified as liberal. Their quotes on the novel are reproduced, along with their names and political views.

This is under the controversy subheading, to show the two sides of the debate. A user, who seems to have two names -- Pitchka [2] and Dwain [3] has been removing Drudge's conservative characterization. I then put an interview excerpt of an interview with Drudge on the TALK page for the article stating he's conservative and proud of it. I restored the conservative characterization. Then he began deleting both the conservative and liberal characterization. It was replaced by myself with an explanation, and other users have spoken up saying that they're important to include, simply because it better informs the reader as to the source of these opinions. However, Dwain and/or Pitchka continue to revert it against the consensus opinion. He left a message on my talk page (my name is RJSampson [4]) blasting liberals (though I myself lean conservative) and saying "And since I started this article I will not give in to you on this issue". It's almost as if he isn't concerned about providing information, but is simply acting impulsively. I wrote him back kindly, explaining my position as I have on the talk page, but consensus doesn't register with him, nor does simply talking out our ideas. His page indicates he's extremely conservative and he enjoys how that angers people on wikipedia. He seems to consider everyone else stupid, from what i read on Pitchka[5]. I've tried everything I can think of to make a professional, central article but nothing has helped resolve this needless conflict. Please advise.

Thanks so much for your help! Richard SAmpson


See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#I'm away. And User:Gdr/DYKbot for the bot. Let me know how you get on with the latter. Gdr 09:53, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

You should e-mail me explaining what you've done and what the problem is. Please let me know (1) Operating system, Python version. (2) Have you managed to get any pywikipedia code to work? (3) What happens when you run Gdr 10:30, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

You need to start by installing the whole of the pywikipediabot set of tools. There's some advice on how to get started at meta:Using the python wikipediabot. Get hold of the most recent version using CVS — since you're on Windows you may need to install a CVS implementation, e.g. [6]. You will know that it's working when you can run sucessfully. Gdr 13:22, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

Follow the instructions at meta:Using the python wikipediabot#Downloading. Gdr 14:33, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

Talk:USMC War Memorial[edit]

I put the only text inside the speedy tag. You do realize that anyone can add a speedy tag and put whatever below, so you should probably always check the history? --SPUI (talk) 17:34, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Quick Question (Page Deletions)[edit]

Hi! I was wondering if you could tell me how I can find out the "lag time" or whatever its called for page deletions to actually take place after the deletion discussion has started on a given article. Also, is there a specific number of days that each page has, or does it depend on the discussion? I've just seem lots of articles that have a dozen or more "Delete" votes and they are still hanging around and no one has voted in a week or two ..anyway :) I DID read the entire Guide to Votes for Deletion but I am still confused =p Thanks in advance! /ramble off Nahallac Silverwinds 00:14, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

Mgm - Thanks for your reply on my talk page, I appreciate it :) Nahallac Silverwinds June 28, 2005 12:05 (UTC)


Heya, may I ask how Mgmbot is being operated? Is its cleanup-marking done heuristically or is there someone pulling its strings behind the scenes? Though the cleanup tags I've seen it add aren't exactly incorrect, they are sometimes not the most appropriate choice (like the Hillhouse Avenue article, which though it was in need of cleanup, was also in need of a VfD tag (which the article creator had just removed)). Also, while this comment makes you get your hands dirty interacting with wikipedia directly anyway, the bot user page claims it is currently doing interwiki. --W(t) 04:49, 2005 Jun 27 (UTC)

No bug, no complaint, no particular feedback, just congratulations for a good idea! Bill 1 July 2005 19:25 (UTC)

Mgmbot mistake[edit]

I have just reverted two additions by Mgmbot to the article Antarctic krill. It had added interwiki links to articles in Esperanto and Portuguese that were about krill in general, not Antarctic krill specifically (although they do both mention Euphausia superba, i.e. Antarctic krill). I thought you should know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Stemonitis (talkcontribs) . - Mgm|(talk) June 28, 2005 08:12 (UTC)

guy somewhere[edit]

User: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Muchosucko (talkcontribs) .

Sorry, I realize how that looked odd! I don't usually do this kind of thing, but some dude vandalized the page and I got annoyed. Peace out Muchosucko 28 June 2005 10:34 (UTC)


You left me a welcome message on my talk page, thanks! I'm not really that new, but I do have a question. I've noticed that a lot of the display elements (like boxes and templates) are not consistent throughout wikipedia, and that many of them break under other browsers or are not W3C-compliant. Is there something, like a wikiproject, that I could get involved with in regards to this? You may reply here if you'd like, this page will be on my watch list. Also, I hope you don't mind my edit to the orange template above, it was showing up left-aligned on Firefox. –MT 28 June 2005 10:30 (UTC)

Hmm, odd that it wasn't on yours, if we have the same browser. Image:Left-aligned-295.png is what it looked like on mine (after a shrink using ms paint), if you're interested. I'll ask at the places you suggested, thanks. –MT 28 June 2005 11:17 (UTC)

Access by Disabled[edit]

Comment from AlMac

I hope this is not an inappropriate place to put this, but there is a whole area of making web pages available to the disabled, such as people who have to use Brail, who have difficulty with keyboarding, are color blind, and so forth.

I would hope that as I begin to study the instructions on how to communicate effectively in this community, that one of the things I come across is a well developed section on that topic.

If it is not already part of this community, then someone please go to my Talk Page or elsewhere and give me a To Do list that includes making entries on that topic, since I have encountered info about this topic multiple times in the last few years.

In my opinion, this Wikopedia needs goals of the content being

  • Friendly to most all major browsers
  • Friendly to older people who begin to have trouble with color contrasts
  • Friendly to the disabled

Perhaps some software might be practical that looks at new pages, and major edits, to see if the content meets certain standards, and if not, then place at top of those pages a link to the people working on that document, that identifies which of the goals have not been met, with link to where that topic is discussed and has a tutorial.

Please feel free to redirect my comments, or cross-link them where they would be more constructive to be placed.

More comments on this topic have been added here [7]

AlMac 28 June 2005 21:37 (UTC)


Hi! Hope you didn't mind the email -- I was undergoing major Wikiwithdrawal -- and thought I'd share! Would appreciate Feedback on POV on Treaty of Shimonoseki — my attempt to be balanced may need expanded into greater length. Please post to the talk there! Thanx.

  • Also need a memory check. Did I write you asking that you take over Organosulfur compounds which I stubbed as far as 27 y.o. chemistry will take me! Or was that one of the messages I lost the other night? No matter, here's another handoff! Looks to me that Hydrogen Sulfide needs some serious attention as well. (I was a Chem major myself once upon a yesterday). (No hurry from me!)
  • Also seem to have put this laptop into a zoomed in screen mode - Text is about double sized from what I'd normally viewed, and my office and other computers are unaffected; Would be better to have this mode on the big screen upstairs, vice this dinky 14" screen! Any ideas of how that might happen (The touch pad does some weird things), and how to reverse it? It's wiki-related as does not apply to other internet windows. Thanx — FrankB
User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 28 June 2005 12:13 (UTC)

Re: Have you checked your "Text size" option in your browser's view menu? - Mgm|(talk) June 28, 2005 12:18 (UTC)

Retrieved from "" YES - That's why I said it's Wiki-specific. It's scratching me head, I am! FrankB User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 28 June 2005 12:30 (UTC)

  • Never mind - Apparently the windows I checked against retain or override the general browser size. The Size Tool added to the toolbar just now, did the trick. Sorry to bother you, but it was such a Bother! FrankB

Convict Lake Picture[edit]

Don't worry I just replaced it with a time stamp free version, but for whatever reason it just didn't show up last nite. Geographer June 28, 2005 16:53 (UTC)

Security breaches[edit]

  • Thanks from AlMac for your heads up that I had not done a good enough job with Point of View Neutrality.
  • I will work on that, and hope that I can achieve an encyclopaedia entry that we can both be pleased about.
    • At your convenience you might look at it again ... I think I have the Neutrality Point of View fixed thru "Thanks California" and I reviewing "Choice Point" next ... I fear that in fixing one thing I may have messed up something else ... the big picture now seems to me to be poorly written and lack clarity
    • Anyhow what I looking for is criticism like
      • Sorry Al, you not got if fixed yet
      • Sorry Al, you missed the point
      • Sorry Al, you made it worse
      • OR ... a particular section is in fact fixed ... now if you can do the same kind of fix to other sections
  • I did try to link to the Talk but did not find any specific remarks
    • Hopefully my efforts at remediation will mean that no specific remarks will be needed.
  • AlMac 28 June 2005 21:31 (UTC)


In my opinion, this comment, at the top of the article, violates POV standards worse than anything I have said so far.

Quote Tsunami's, all these are, are made up natural disasters.. It's just the aid agencies way of getting money out of you, and how Washington Post attracts visitors to it's site... Unquote AlMac 29 June 2005 05:02 (UTC)

AlMac crosses another line[edit]

Incidentally the color combination at the very top of this talk page is unreadable to my 60 year old eyes looking at it through IE 6.0. The problem is that text needs to be on a light colored background for people who are growing older, like me. AlMac 7 July 2005 18:39 (UTC)

pywikipediabot and MediaWiki 1.5[edit]

In response to your e-mail to wikien-l [8], you need to edit families/ and on lines 106–110 move all wikipedias from latin1 to latin1old. Hopefully the pywikipedia developers will fix this and make a new release soon. Gdr 2005-06-28 21:37:58 (UTC)

I ran DYKbot as User:Gdr since admin privileges were required. (Note that I haven't tested DYKbot with MediaWiki 1.5, so I don't know if it will work.) Gdr 2005-06-28 21:46:01 (UTC)

Just checking[edit]

Hey there, just wanted to check and see where we all are with Houston Chronicle mediation. thanks very much! · Katefan0(scribble) June 29, 2005 16:53 (UTC)

Thanks so much for your reply. Things actually are completely static in anticipation of mediation beginning. I was a little worried that maybe you were waiting on something from us. It's no problem, just wanted to make sure I didn't need to do something else. thanks a lot · Katefan0(scribble) June 29, 2005 16:58 (UTC)


Hi, not sure whether you've noticed this, but your bot appears to be running anonymously under (talk · contribs). JYolkowski // talk 29 June 2005 21:02 (UTC)



Yes, that we me who requested for it to be deleted. Thanks. --Hottentot

An Short Article Needing Input from Your Country[edit]

  • The rough but maturing article Military needs a list of military forces particular to your country and any others you may be able to expand upon. At the moment, these lists at the bottom are extremely 'Anglo-centric' (USA + UK). Please pass this on to others you know in other countries. Thanks! User:Fabartus || Talkto_FrankB 1 July 2005 17:12 (UTC)

Greetings from the United Federation of Planets[edit]

I have something that may delight you RC patrolers, the anti-vandal body of wikipedia. You may find #en.wikipedia.vandalism on freenode very useful. --Cool Cat My Talk 1 July 2005 21:17 (UTC)

Oh btw, you really need to archive talk page :P --Cool Cat My Talk 1 July 2005 21:24 (UTC)


The prolific magic vandal has returned, this time as user:MacGyver07. I guess that's close to impersonating you, but so far I've been conservative and not blocked him. Your milage may vary. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk July 2, 2005 11:41 (UTC)