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About your page List of A-League hat-tricks[edit]

Hi! i was just wondering if you could explain what a "hat trick" was so i can pass it as patrolled. Thanks Dudel250 (talk) 23:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

A hat-trick is when a player scores three (or more) goals in a single game. (Hat-trick#association fooball) Macosal (talk) 23:27, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
Ahh! i see now Thanks i'll pass it Dudel250 (talk) 23:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

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Mathew Ryan[edit]

No, honours do require directly referencing per WP:BLP and WP:V. GiantSnowman 11:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

If true do you plan to remove these similarly unreferenced honours sections from every article? Paul Scholes? Cristiano Ronaldo? Wayne Rooney? Macosal (talk) 13:12, 4 June 2014 (UTC)


A short discussion at a WikiProject, with no real consensus either way, does NOT trump WP:BLP. The items have been challenged and removed (by me), they should NOT be re-added unless explicitly sourced to a reliable source. GiantSnowman 11:40, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


User:Macosal/BLP has been started... GiantSnowman 15:40, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Cheers. For the record though, are/aren't we doing the same with international goals sections? I can't see why not and are if anything easier to reference. Macosal (talk) 00:39, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
To be honest not really, I am fully within my right to remove this information, I have started tagging honours section as a favour/compromise, this could just end up with you requesting that I don't remove anything and would just make a mockery of BLP policy. I'm more than happy to continue tagging honours sections for the forseeable future. GiantSnowman 08:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I hope we do not have an issue here but unfortunately I do not believe you are fully within your right to do that... I did mention that international goals should be likewise included. I would be open to reducing the relevant time period in return for international goals also being included. Macosal (talk) 09:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Sigh, are we going to go through this again? Yes, I am allowed to remove any unreferenced information about living people as per WP:BLP policy, did you learn nothing from the BLPN discussion? GiantSnowman 09:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm trying to avoid reopening this again (no conclusion was reached). If you look back I actually said that international goals should be included. I would be happy to accept a reduced time period if international goals were to be included? Macosal (talk) 09:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Well there was a conclusion - just ask the expert editors @Nomoskedasticity: and @FreeRangeFrog: - WP:BLP fully allows for my edits. The issue that you and Walter/AV kicked off about was honours, so I allowed that sole concession as an act of good faith. I never agreed about international goals or anything else - just honours. As I've already stated if you want/expect me to start listing all other items as well then it just makes a mockery of BLP and means there is zero point to editing. If you continue to insist on it, I'll just stop tagging honours and start removing them again in line with BLP. GiantSnowman 09:38, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
2 editors in support of your case with one against in addition to several others against the deletion would hardly seem to me a conclusion, nor did you react to my suggestion of international goals (it appears I mistook acquiescence for acceptance). Where would the next highest level of resolution be? Macosal (talk) 09:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Nonononono, this did not require a 'consensus' in the traditional sense. We went to a noticeboard to seek advice from the experts, the experts advised that my edits were fine. Just because you and your mates did/could not accept that is irrelevant. GiantSnowman 09:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
The "experts" did not agree in this case, nor should authority hold weight in assessing outcomes. Don't condescend to call them my mates - they were other editors with legitimate opinions and concerns and included administrators. What would be the next step? Macosal (talk) 09:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Walter and AV are not administrators, although that it is irrelevant. I'd advise you to wait for Nomoskedasticity and/or FRF (who is an admin) to add further comments, although if you don't want to, feel free to raise the matter at WP:ANI. GiantSnowman 10:01, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Sure. For the record, the admin I was referring to was @Djsasso:. Macosal (talk) 12:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I also don't want to reopen this whole debate here (there will be a time and a place if necessary), but why is it desirable that the information should be removed? Macosal (talk) 13:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Without re-hasing the entire debate(s) we had at both FOOTY and BLPN, because I'm sure neither of us want that, the short answer is per WP:BLP and WP:V. GiantSnowman 13:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

To rehash what I said at BLPN, any editor is free to remove any unsourced information (positive, negative or neutral) from any article. More to the point, it is at the editor's discretion to remove the unsourced information, or leave a {{cn}} or "additional citations needed" tag or whatever. Any editor who wants the information to remain on the article should simply source it. If it cannot be sourced then it does not belong in the article, period. There is no need for consensus or discussion in these cases. Verifiability is a cornerstone of what we do here, which is all the more important when a biography of a living person is involved. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 18:29, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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Soccer = football again[edit]

I have begun a thread at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Football in Australia)#Full names of soccer clubs to discuss how we should use the "fullname" parameter in the Infobox template. Unfortunately it seems to be being used by some to continue to now sneakily press the claim that their game is called football. Please join the fray. HiLo48 (talk) 08:43, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Certainly is unfortunate if that is the case. You should remember not to make generalisations / statements about people's intent, however (play the ball not the man). Macosal (talk) 16:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)


I'm not sure if you remember but a while back you created List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Mitchell Johnson. In one edit I completely reworded the lead, added photos and added refs. I then looked at the article and decided it was featured list status worthy so I nominated it. As you did a lot of the work I added you as a co-nomination which means you can claim the FL as your own (if it passes). If you want you can help me with answering the comments at FLC of you can leave it. Cheers NickGibson3900 Talk 07:47, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Sounds good, will keep an eye on it. Here's hoping it succeeds. Macosal (talk) 06:36, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
It passed!! Face-smile.svg Thanks for your work getting all the facts for the list and referencing each match. - NickGibson3900 Talk 05:26, 13 October 2014 (UTC)


Hey Macosal, just wanted to let you know that I have been helping complete the BLP list and add references to the honours sections that GiantSnowman and other editors have flagged or deleted. Let me know if there is anything else I can do to help. Cheers. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:09, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


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assists are unsourcable. There have been numerous discussions about this already at WP:FOOTBALL. There is no clear consensus of what an assist even is and different people count them differently. Furthermore most stats websites don't list them. --SuperJew (talk) 12:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Naming conventions (Football in Australia)[edit]

FYI, it appears your latest comment has an incomplete sentence: "...(which in turn speaks to the idea that"― sroc 💬 10:59, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yep fixed (probably as you were writing this) Macosal (talk) 11:00, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
Yep, just saw that. sroc 💬 11:01, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Reorder of Brad Smith international apps.[edit]

Shouldn't it be in descending order with regards to the date/year? Same as club sides. Should be consistent rather than all mixed up. Simione001 (talk) 06:16, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

For mine order of seniority works better - I think this is how it's conventionally done - e.g. see Harry Kewell, Romelu Lukaku, Robert Green etc. Not sure if there has been any discussion on this point but didn't see any that had a different order in a brief search around. Macosal (talk) 06:46, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I've seen it done both ways eg Kyi Lin. It just seems wrong to me when the dates are not in order given that this is the case for both youth and senior football elements of the infobox. Simione001 (talk) 08:04, 30 March 2015 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe worth raising at WP:FOOTY or at Template talk:Infobox football biography to get some clarity. For mine the highest level of international honours should be the last listed - seems a bit jumbled to potentially list all the youth teams in an order that isn't youngest to oldest. Macosal (talk) 09:53, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Joshua Bingham[edit]

Is he on a youth or senior contact with CCM? If it's youth i don't think he is on loan at CC FC. He will likely play for CC FC during the NYL off season before returning to CCM. I believe youth contract or offered on a season to season basis and do not extended beyond one season. So I believe that effectively he has left CCM but may well return for the new season of the NYL. Simione001 (talk) 11:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Yeah he signed a senior contract for next season in February (source). I feel like a loan is the best way of characterising that (and considerably neater). Macosal (talk) 13:11, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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Re:Casey Dellacqua career statistics[edit]

No, you haven't missed anything I've said. It's always been the norm to have the Tier I events as a separate section and to be honest, its more visually appealing too. Maybe bring this up at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tennis/Article guidelines and see what others have to say. JayJ47 (talk) 08:25, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

The performance timeline on this page is a good example. As for Indian Wells and Miami, we don't make the "Tier I" distinction because we go by the modern day classifications i.e. they're both categorised as "Premier Mandatory" events. It's the same for the men. The 9 events formerly known as the "ATP Masters Series" are now listed under their current name: "ATP Masters 1000". JayJ47 (talk) 08:37, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

forthright views by a SuperJew[edit]

i have been part of some edit reverts over the past few days(e.g. on 2015–16 in Australian soccer) from a user who i feel is belittling my opinion in discussions where if the formatting that has been agreed upon by consensus on Talk Pages (e.g. here: Talk:2015 FFA Cup) and here: Talk:2014 FFA Cup#Bracket Table) doesnt match this users view they are dismissed as irrelevent, and this editor appears to be fairly senior. There appears to be his correct format, and a wrong format produced by 'beauraucrats' whatever that means. How do i get this user to 'play nice' in these situations and reach an objective view? Matilda Maniac (talk) 00:54, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately I have had a few disagreements with the same editor recently too. I think disputes relating to the A-League/football in Australia can be difficult, in particular because the small number of editors involved can give disputes an "I'm right/you're wrong" feel which are in nobody's best interest. As such, I think the best way to deal with these sorts of disputes are to look at how similar issues have been resolved on analogous articles overseas with higher editor numbers (I'm afraid I can't think of an equivalent here for this particular dispute unfortunately - the seasons in English soccer pages don't list the full bracket, presumably because of the size such a bracket would be); or if the issue is significant enough/has application for other equivalent articles, raise it on WT:FOOTY, where the significantly higher editor numbers will give a more accurate representation of what should/shouldn't be done (of course this needs to be done relatively sparingly). Searching WT:FOOTY's archives is also often a good way to find existing consensuses on contentious topics (again unfortunately I don't think anyone has had this discussion before). If it's not on that scale, the Aussie football project where we've interacted in the past will always get more eyes (marginally) than individual article talk pages if you want more opinions on something. You may well already be aware of these avenues, in which case I'm sorry to have over-explained, but if not they could be helpful.
I think if there is an "objective view" (I have seen several disputes where there has been myself); you should normally be able to get there simply by using the above/getting more editors involved through those two talkpages enough to constitute a consensus.
Re your current dispute, I know it's technically not a solution but maybe the answer is "time". The quarterfinals were drawn today, meaning that after 1 more round the whole draw will become clear (in 3 weeks). I agree with you that the current system may be misleading - adding a bracket to these articles was task force: Difference between revisions originally my idea, but as you can see there, I never intended to add them before the full draw was known. I also added the asterisks with the footnote to attempt to clarify what was otherwise a highly misleading bracket. Maybe worth trying to resolve this at some point before next season, but for now maybe more pertinent to let sleeping dogs lie.
I agree that SJ's conduct has been, in my view, inappropriate on a few occasions in recent days (reverting other's edits to preserve his own regardless of order/WP:BRD/consensuses, WP:SOCK violations etc). The best thing to do is probably a clear, calmly worded statement on his talk page, but I don't think now is the best time to do that (given the recent disputes between me/him and you/him). Hopefully the above can provide some solution in resolving the issues you have had and everybody will be able to move onwards from these repetitive debates.
I hope that kind of helps, Macosal (talk) 14:07, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
Immensely. thank you ! Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:29, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
But it does get hard when someone seems to be targetting pages that one has edited and keeps reverting them, even after discussing on Talk pages. . I have had about 20 reverts in 18 months, 3/4 of them from one individual, and 1/2 of them just in the past 48 hours from that one individual.

Oceania Club Championship[edit]

Oceania Club Championship, can you create the last 3 finals without a page ? Thanks!--Alexiulian25 (talk) 21:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

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Template:2015–16 A-League PFA Team of the Season[edit]

Hi there MACOSAL, from Portugal,

I explained the reason for my changes the second time around. If you revert me again, nevermind i'll leave it be, was only trying to help and/or be coherent.

Happy editing --Be Quiet AL (talk) 13:35, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Bracket seeds[edit]


I just saw this edit and your explanation of formatting errors. Can you give me some more information? What browser are you using? Desktop or mobile device? How does it look? Qed237 (talk) 15:45, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

@Codehydro: creator of Module:RoundN and Template:RDseed, do you know what the problem might be? I dont have any problems. Qed237 (talk) 15:46, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
The top row is all good ("semi-finals" and "final") but then every subsequent row is all written on top of one another (although the horizontal spacing seems right). Using chrome on PC. Macosal (talk) 02:42, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
@Qed237: This is an issue with mobile view which shows text at a much bigger size than desktop view, which causes the text to wrap for unsually long country names like  Papua New Guinea. RDseed is designed for one-line team names, which looks funky when a name wraps into two lines. Two solutions: 1) add |style=white-space:nowrap 2) add |team-width=auto (or a sufficiently wide value like 200 if auto looks unbalanced). I'll add a note to RDseed. On a side note, I see another display issue in mobile which makes the bracket lines look wrong, but that issue was present from before Module:RoundN... i.e. Template:Round8... not a high priority however. —CodeHydro 13:33, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you very much, looks great. I had no idea about "auto" which is very good for larger brackets with multiple rounds. In this case however 200px should be best I think. Qed237 (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
@Codehydro: mistake while ping earlier, anyway thanks again. Qed237 (talk) 13:41, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
@Macosal let me know is this is working. Qed237 (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately not, still seeing all lines written over one another. Macosal (talk) 14:21, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
That is really weird. I am using Chrome on PC and has absolutely no problem. Qed237 (talk) 16:26, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
Have you tried different things, such as wider team-column? Using nowrap around rdseed and fb teamplate? Qed237 (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I've fixed it - all looks fine to me now at least. Evidently the problem was the flextree parameter. Macosal (talk) 08:18, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Flextree is what should make it works, and now it looks a bit strange for me. Qed237 (talk) 10:28, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
@Codehydro: Got more advice? Qed237 (talk) 10:29, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah that's weird/unfortunate. Strange for you how? To me it looks very normal, except the line below A1/above B2 looks a bit thicker than it should be. Macosal (talk) 10:32, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, the same here. The line between A1/B2 is thicker because things are not aligned. The flex_tree parameter is supposed to fix that alignment. Qed237 (talk) 10:34, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@GAV80 and Chanheigeorge: You are both regular editors, have you had any issues with the bracket? Is this version and/or this version working? Qed237 (talk) 10:40, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@Qed237:. My opinion: first version with flex_tree parameter is better. In this case: no border if flags have different width and height. In this bracket three flags has 23x12, and PNG flag has 20x15 → has border around seed. flex_tree parameter need. GAV80 (talk) 13:20, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
Macosal: I will need more information. A screenshot of the original,my attempted fix, and the seedless version would be most helpful in seeing what is actually going on. And please say what browser are you using. —CodeHydro 16:13, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Australia U23 note cancelled fixture[edit]

How is a fixture that didn't occur generally (or enduringly) notable for Wikipedia? See WP:NOTNEWS.

The only non-match of recent times involving Australian teams - that I'm aware of - that seems to have kept its notability for a while, was Matildas cancelled matches against USA as the team pulled out only days before the first match when many tickets had already been sold (Matildas went 'on strike' effectively), and that was the notable part at the time, and it was kept for a while at USWNT main article; it was deemed relevant in September 2015 (initially newsworthy, but ultimately WP:NOTNEWS), and wasnt kept for their season overview article 2015 in American soccer#Women. Matilda Maniac (talk) 08:29, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Games like this are included per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Country seasons. Further, I'd say that the circumstances around games such as this recently cancelled one are often relevant/interesting. If these articles used textual summaries of seasons rather than templates, would you still say the same thing? I'd say the cancellation is certainly relevant to understanding the olyroos' recent fixtures or their 2016-17 season (the two places it is listed). Of course the matildas example is even more notable - were there discussions leading to the above inclusions / non-inclusions?
On a broader note I don't think NOTNEWS is the best guideline to consider when looking at something like a season article - which is often largely an amalgamation of news relating to a team over the course of a season. Macosal (talk) 07:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
ThaNks for the feedback. Matilda Maniac (talk) 16:47, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

eligibility of Nick Montgomery for Australia[edit]

Hey, you reverted my edit removing Nick Montgomery from List of foreign A-League players saying Still not eligible for Australia as represented Scotland youth before gaining AUS citizenship (and so should still be included). I was under the impression though that playing for youth teams doesn't cap-tie you to a country.

I was actually debating this before my edit, as we have players like Iacopo La Rocca and Jonas Salley who aren't eligible for Australia despite not being capped for their country at any level as they haven't lived in Australia for 5 years, and OTOH we have Henrique who is technically eligible (though I doubt he'll be called up). In Montgomery's case though he's been with the Mariners since 2012, so he has been long enough in the country no? (so he would be technically eligible for Australia like Henrique)

Thanks --SuperJew (talk) 07:56, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

Montgomery has only been here 4.5 years, so for the next 6 months would still be ineligible for the same reasons as Salley or La Rocca.
But yes, playing for a nation's youth side generally does make a player ineligible for other nationalities which they are yet to obtain. The best example that comes to mind is Adama Traoré (Ivorian footballer) who was frustratingly ineligible for the Socceroos as he had played youth for Ivory Coast before coming to Australia (full article). I'm not 100% clear if the youth caps need to be FIFA/continental/any game at all, but for now Montgomery is ineligible for Australia on one or both of the above grounds.
Cheers, Macosal (talk) 08:04, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
Okay, so I looked further into this because there are players who switched allegiance like Cameron Burgess (represented Scotland youth and then switched to Australia youth),Apostolos Giannou (represented Australia youth, switched to Greece youth, played a friendly for Greece senior, switched to Australia senior), Diego Costa (played 2 friendlies for Brazil senior and switched to Spain seniors) and there's more examples I'm sure. So under FIFA guidelines youth and friendlies don't cap-tie. Here comes the BUT: but if the player played the youth/friendly games before receiving the other nation's citizenship, then he isn't eligible to switch (as in the case of Mikel Arteta). EDIT: make that nationality, as cases like Taulant Xhaka who played for Switzerland youth before receiving Albanian citizenship, but he did have Albanian nationality through his family. I'll add a note to the page. This was also talked about when Kosovo were admitted to FIFA (and they were holders of the Kosovar nationality prior to their first appearance in an international match in an official competition for their previous association.) Thanks mate! --08:42, 27 January 2017 (UTC)

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Injury replacement contract[edit]

Here's an example of what I was saying about injury replacement contracts. It says Former Adelaide shot-stopper Hall comes to the club as an Injury Replacement Player for Jerrard Tyson, who will be sidelined for a period following shoulder reconstruction surgery last week and doesn't specify a time-frame. What do you think? --SuperJew (talk) 05:26, 22 May 2017 (UTC) say six months. Alternatively I also don't think there's anything wrong with "indefinite" given that the "type" column can specify that it's an injury replacement contract. Incidentally, the previous system of year-only wouldn't really be any better in this case as "around six months" takes us pretty much dead on the very end of 2017/very start of 2018. Macosal (talk) 05:30, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Great, thanks mate :) You're right of course - I think it's a challenge with both formats.
Isn't it weird though that a club signs a player on an IR contract in the off-season? --SuperJew (talk) 05:35, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, can't remember seeing that one before (especially given they have 4 keepers on contract now). I guess maybe it stops Hall going somewhere else, but not sure how crucial that is if they're only keeping him for a couple of months as a backup keeper anyway... Macosal (talk) 10:00, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

updating national squads[edit]

Hey mate, when you update national squads, could you please make sure to update the recent call-ups as well as the current squad? You forgot to do it when updating the Matildas' squad now, but I fixed it :) Cheers, --SuperJew (talk) 08:09, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure. I usually would, but for me I don't think training camps should be included in either the current or recent sections. Macosal (talk) 08:32, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
Hmm, I can see the point on that, though I think they can be as it does give an indication where the coach is looking too and who's catching the eye from the fringes/young players. And it's fine so long it's clearly noted that it's a "training camp call-up". The only thing is that what happened with your edit was that some players appeared in both current squad and recent call-ups (Lydia Williams for example). --SuperJew (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Subject of mass mailing: Women's Football / Soccer Task Force News: August 2017[edit]

Women's Football / Soccer Task Force News: August 2017

Should the women's football task force become WikiProject: WOSO?

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According to an op-ed in the recent Signpost, some editors think task forces and subgroups are dying in 2017.

What do you think about forming our own WikiProject separate from WP:FOOTY? There's an on-going discussion of the potential pros and cons on the task force talk page. Input is welcome.

Recent developments

New initiatives have been created for:

  • FA WSL (England's top-division league)
  • NCAA (American university teams, conferences, etc.)
  • W-League (Australia's top-division league)
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Foreign players lists[edit]

Hello Macosal, I am pinging creators and active editors of the lists found at Category:Lists of expatriate association football players because of the discussion where your opinion would be welcomed. The discussion is at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Lists_of_expatriate_association_football_players. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 19:15, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

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