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May 2013[edit]

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July 2013[edit]

Information icon Welcome to Wikipedia. I have noticed that some of your recent genre changes, such as the one you made to Channel Orange, have conflicted with our neutral point of view and verifiability policies. While we invite all users to contribute constructively to Wikipedia, we urge all editors to provide reliable sources for edits made. When others disagree, we recommend you to seek consensus for certain edits. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 15:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Information icon Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to PBR&B. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Dan56 (talk) 05:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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I have a talk page, you (obviously) have a talk page, either article you edit has a talk page (Talk:Channel Orange, Talk:Nostalgia, Ultra). If you can justify your changes, do so there. Otherwise, you're edits suggest you are pushing your agenda of using the phrase "alternative R&B" instead of "PBR&B" (for which there is an article; PBR&B, and for which there are source citing it as the genre of the aforementioned album articles). Originally, you made an unsourced addition ([1]) purely based on your POV, then you found a source with the title "Alt R&B" in it ([2]), even though nothing in that article actually says Channel Orange is an Alternative R&B album, so you were engaging in original research. Then you inexplicably restored your addition ([3]) without any explanation (although you do know how to use an edit summary, as shown here). The genres in the infobox for Channel Orange are directly supported in the article's Music and lyrics section, second sentence. So why do you insist on restoring your change? Dan56 (talk) 08:41, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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September 2013[edit]

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October 2013[edit]

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January 2014[edit]

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June 2014[edit]

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Angelo Dundee[edit]

re cat, I don't think he ever boxed Unibond (talk) 11:59, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Working Class[edit]

Since you continue to insist on editing the Delaware County page and saying it is majority working class, what communities would you say are legitimately working class? I'd like to see a list of them, and see how they make up the majority of the county. Having grown up in a legitimately working class/lower-middle class part of the county I can say for a fact that only a very small part of the county consists of that. Have you actually looked at this county objectively before? The majority of it is middle class suburbia, just like the majority of this metro is. The only legitimately working class communities are Chester, Marcus Hook, Trainer and the other communities along the Delaware River, and the communities along the lower Darby Creek like Folcroft (to an extent), Sharon Hill, Darby, Colwyn, Collingdale, Clifton, parts of Lansdowne, parts of Yeadon, parts of Upper Darby township, Millbourne, and the part of Havertown the old Newtown Square branch freight line used to run through. No other part of the county is the least bit working class. It's either newer exurban sprawl or aged suburban sprawl, with the exception of older urban places like Swarthmore and Media. Therefore, I'm not sure how anybody can objectively claim the majority of the county is working class. 24rhhtr7 (talk) 04:45, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

November 2014[edit]

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to change genres without discussion or sources, as you did at Adrenaline (album), you may be blocked from editing. I have started a post on the talk page where consensus can be reached regarding this issue. Please refrain from using a concert review as a reliable source for the genre of an album. While you may not agree personally with Ultimate Guitar Archive and iTunes, they are reliable sources dealing specifically with the album. PS-edit summaries are very helpful. Robvanvee 09:57, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

December 2014[edit]

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Italian regions[edit]

The Italian names are enough in order not to overload the pages with other names (including dialects).--93.32.187.207 (talk) 19:16, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Is that your reasoning? Or do you just dislike dialects and view them as low-class? Madreterra (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

First of all, I don't hate anything. Next time you start the discussion with a similar attack, I will ask for a block. There are hundreds of dialects in Italy, one for each town, it is impossible to write the way each town names its own region. So Italian names are enough.--93.32.187.207 (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015[edit]

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June 2015[edit]

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Sophie Dee[edit]

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Mosaic[edit]

Hallo Madreterra in principle you are right, for the mosaic that you removed there is clearly non consensus. Please comment on the thread, your observation are welcome. Alex2006 (talk) 07:42, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

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November 2015[edit]

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Korn[edit]

I removed your edit on Korn (album) because the consensus for the genre field on that album is simply and only nu metal. Nu metal is a subgenre of alternative metal and adding alternative metal is quite redundant. The review for the album probably was typed before the nu metal label was famous and known among music journalists and critics. If that review was typed today, I bet it would be calling the album nu metal instead. The consensus for that album is for the genre field to just say "nu metal". Before you try re-adding alternative metal to the genre field on the Korn (album) article. Just leave me a message on my talk page and start a new section on that Korn album article's talk page. Statik N (talk) 23:54, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't think we can assume that Erlewine was unaware of the nu metal label when he wrote the review. Nu metal was already a 'thing' when the Korn album came out in '94. Binksternet (talk) 00:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Yeah but the nu metal label probably didn't come out in 1994 and it didn't become commonly used until the 2000s. I think 2003 is when critics and music journalists started to use the label "nu metal" a lot and again the consensus for the Korn (album) article's genre field is just nu metal. Nu metal is a subgenre of alternative metal. So adding alternative metal is quite redundant. Statik N (talk) 01:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Either way, I fail to see how adding "alternative metal" to the genre description of a clearly alternative metal album is a problem. I can understand a problem with removing "nu metal," but the addition of "alternative metal" is not redundant to the point of being unproductive or confusing. "Funk metal" is also technically a subgenre of alternative metal, but numerous articles on bands and albums contain both "alternative metal" and "funk metal" side-by-side. If anything, I think it especially makes sense considering the application of the term "nu metal" to Korn's debut album is, as you argue, more commonly found in retrospective reviews of and commentary on the album rather than contemporaneous reviews of the album in 1994. However, User:Binksternet is also correct in that the term was in fact already in use at the time, albeit to a lesser extent. Once again, either way, it is a sourced genre that does not take away from the article but could arguably in fact improve the article by showing that the album has not always been blanketly labeled "nu metal." I hardly have a dog in this fight, and I certainly have no diehard agenda; while Korn isn't my favorite band or even close, I've heard the album, and I would say that, in the context in which it was released, it would likely have been labeled "alternative metal" by most critics in 1994, especially prior to the later commercial breakthrough of the genre known as "nu metal." But, as my opinion is irrelevant, and as there is nothing that says that later retrospective genre labels can't be used in describing an album, I have no problem with using "nu metal" to describe the album. Rather, I simply don't see what problem exists with adding "alternative metal" to the genre box. Adding "rock" or "heavy metal" or such would be overly redundant and unnecessary, but adding "alternative metal" should hardly be controversial or utterly redundant, especially seeing as there is a large overlap and much inconsistency in what critics classify as "alternative metal" and "nu metal," to the point where in many cases it often seems as if the two are different genres rather than a genre and subgenre. Madreterra (talk) 18:37, 16 November 2015 (UTC)
I think some articles that call an album both funk metal and alternative metal are about an album that has songs that are standard alternative metal or maybe these articles' genre fields are redundant and should just say "funk metal". I do not consider your opinion irrelevant. In the 1990s, the term nu metal may have been around but hardly any critics even knew the term. Critics started to actually often use the term in like 2001, 2002 or 2003. Yes, the album is truly alternative metal. However, it is 100% nu metal and nu metal is a subgenre of alternative metal. I will agree that adding heavy metal to the genre field is very redundant though. Remember some funk metal bands also probably play standard alternative metal. Some don't, and if alternative metal is on their genre field then it's obviously redundant. Statik N (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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You've been warned numerous times in the past about genre warring, adding improperly cited material, and original research. The sources you cited do not explicitly call Channel Orange an alternative R&B album or anything along those lines. They merely mentioned in in an overall discussion on alternative R&B artists, but there's already a source cited in the article in which Barry Walters from Spin mentioned it as being part of "the second wave of PBR&B releases". Why do you insist on making your recent edits, fishing for any source (even those as obscure as "Hitthefloor"?), just to justify changing "PBR&B" to "alternative R&B"? Your recent slew of edits shows your trying to push a particular point of view rather than contribute or improve any of those articles ([4], [5], [6], [7], [8]). Dan56 (talk) 23:50, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Deftones & Post-Metal[edit]

Hello! I noticed that with these edits[9][10][11] you have silently reverted my edits without comment in such a way that won't set off the notice in my alerts. Did you have a chance to read my edit summaries before reverting? In them I mentioned (or at tried to in the small space I'm provided) that while the view or belief that Deftones are a post-metal band does exist within a tiny subset of the metal blog community, it is very much a minority view only held only by an almost insignificant percentage of the vast abundance of sources. Here on Wikipedia, we try to only represent prominent and significant view points. Per WP:WEIGHT, "Generally, the views of tiny minorities should not be included at all, except perhaps in a "see also" to an article about those specific views." Given the sources provided and additional research I conducted on the matter, out of hundreds of thousands of articles on Deftones, only a really small handful of sources made a passing reference to Deftones having a small influence from post-metal. It might be okay to make a small mention of this on the band's page (as I left behind in my edits) but to claim that the band is purely a post-metal band or that any of their albums are purely post-metal albums is not only unsupported by the majority of sources (or in some cases, ANY of the sources) it appears to be a plainly false claim. I thought I'd discuss this with you here before opening an WP:ANI discussion about it. Fezmar9 (talk) 04:00, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for reverting in that way, I wasn't trying to be sneaky. That's just the way I've always done it, I never even considered the notice alerts. Anyway, I agree that, for some of the albums, "post-metal" is inadequately (or not at all) sourced. There is, I believe, sufficient sources for Gore being explicitly labeled as "post-metal." I think the confusion with the other albums lies in the fact that many of the sources state that the albums contain a mix of metal and shoegaze, which would seem to fit the definition of "post-metal." That said, you're right: in regards to the other albums (other than Gore), there aren't enough sources, or at least mainstream sources, that explicitly mention "post-metal." However, I disagree with the removal of Deftones from the List of post-metal bands article. I'd say there are more than enough reliable sources referring to Deftones as "post-metal" to warrant their inclusion on the list. The problem, however, is that, although there are some mainstream sources explicitly using "post-metal" in reference to the band, the vast majority of mainstream sources mention them as "shoegaze metal," "metalgaze," or a mix of shoegaze or dream pop with metal. So, while in my opinion (which obviously isn't relevant) those terms are interchangeable with "post-metal," I'd agree they are probably not explicit enough. Madreterra (talk) 03:02, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

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I'm not sure how I'm adding personal analysis. Both of the sources that I provided refer to the Kiss Land album as "alternative R&B." Admittedly, I could see where the LA Times source is less direct in calling the album "alternative R&B," but I assumed the context was enough: the article is titled "Grammys: Alternative R&B largely overlooked in nominations," and it specifically discusses alternative R&B artists at the Grammys. The article includes Kiss Land as an example of an Alternative R&B album snubbed by the Grammys. Furthermore, and perhaps more importantly, there is NO SOURCE for the "PBR&B" tag on the article. I fail to see how I'm the one in violation of POV policies. You are removing the sourced content I provided, while the "PBR&B" tag, which is not only unsourced but redirects to the same page as "alternative R&B," is left untouched. It's more than a little ludicrous. I'm thoroughly confused as to why you find the "alternative R&B" link so contentious. I do not intend to add contentious or original content.

That said, I was mistaken with the link I provided for the Trilogy article. The article linked does not in fact reference Trilogy. That's my mistake. I intended to link [ http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/features/alternative-rb-much-more-than-bump-n-grind-9142021.html ] This article (from a major news publication) refers to Trilogy as being Alternative R&B ("alt-R&B"): ("The year 2011 was a turning point, when music makers began to break with convention, leading to the emergence of some of the key artists that have defined the alt-R&B sound. Frank Ocean’s February 2011 mixtape, Nostalgia, Ultra, was the first to hit, featuring samples of MGMT and Radiohead. A month later, The Weeknd, aka the Canadian vocalist Abel Tesfaye, released the first of three mixtapes, now known collectively as Trilogy, also heavily relying on samples.") Again, I assumed the context was clear despite the article not clearly stating word-for-word "Trilogy is alternative R&B." But apparently I was wrong to assume this. Madreterra (talk) 01:27, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Those sources are not reliable enough for genres, and Alternative R&B and PBR&B are the same genre. Me and Dan56 already explain it to you last month ago. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Fair enough. Still not sure about the sources being unreliable (LA Times?), but I concede that maybe the sources rely too much on context and perhaps are not explicit enough. And seeing as it's the same genre, it's not a big deal to me. Although I realize this isn't the first time we've butted heads over this, I really never intended to edit war. I just didn't realize the sources were so contentious. My mistake. I should've talked this out with you both before. I will say, though, that part of the reason that I put "alternative R&B" in addition to "PBR&B" is that it seemed to me, based on the sources that I've come across, that "alternative R&B" is a bit more of a mainstream (and certainly less contentious) way of referring to the genre. Though there is the SPIN article that Dan56 referenced before, so it seems pretty neck and neck as to which is the more frequently used term. In the end, not a big deal either way to me. Madreterra (talk) 02:30, 23 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, the best thing you can do is, establishing a consensus on the article's talk page first. That's why we have them. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:11, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Garage rock[edit]

Would you be interested in joining the garage rock task force? It focuses on 1960s music (as well as a smaller 1980s subgenre known as garage punk) that was, for the most part, underground for its time but largely popular for revivalists. Hope this interests you and that you can join!TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:08, 24 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I am interested. Thank you for the invite!

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Italians[edit]

Do you actually read the sources?--93.36.7.58 (talk) 07:03, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire[edit]

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So, if you want to add a statement to the above article which says that the majority of the victims were Jewish or Italian, you must provide a citation from a reliable source to support it. Please do not add the information to the article again without such a citation. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:20, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you mean. I merely added wiki-links around the aforementioned ethnic groups, not content. The material to which you are referring is already in the article, and it is quite well-sourced as far as I can tell. Multiple sources throughout the article, in fact, state that the victims of the fire were almost entirely Jewish or Italian immigrants. Regardless, I haven't really added any new material; I only provided wikilinks brackets around the ethnic group names in the article.
However, I did previously add the categories of "Category:Jewish-American history" and "Category:Italian-American history", if that's what you're referring to. I'm not sure how one provides sources when adding categories, but I could most certainly provide such sources, even just by using sources already in the article. However, if it helps, here are two sources I found right now that not only support the fact that the majority of victims were Italian and Jewish women, but also specifically refer to the factory fire as part of "Italian-American history" and "Jewish-American history".
Thank you for taking time to ensure reliability and properly sourced content, and I certainly don't mean to add any unsourced material. However, I don't see why adding wikilink brackets and categories would be contentious considering the abundance of reliable sources.
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Eastern or Central[edit]

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I see that another user has removed your added content from the article Poland. I think it's best if you take it to talk and start another vote or discussion. It's a fair option. Oliszydlowski (TALK), 13:44, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi,
It's pretty obvious that Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia and Hungary are the core countries of Central Europe. I do understand that some other sources simplify geographical division of Europe and and divide the continent simply on west and east but every single source which include Central Europe puts all above mentioned countries in this region. What is so special for you about location of Poland in Europe. I can show you many sources according to which Slovenia is placed in Eastern Europe and Austria which lies exactly north of the Slovenia is described as wester european country. The simplified UN classification is a perfect example of such simplification which has nothing to do with real location of some countries. They are both descirbed in the first line as a Central european countries beacuse this is simply the truth. The same truth as the fact that Poland is situated in Central Europe also. My proposition is to to leave a Central Europe as it was and rework a "note" similar to the the one which is included in Slovenia lead section. NeonFor (talk) 11:24, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Risk of 3RR at Poland[edit]

Even if you are right, it is unwise to risk violating WP:3RR over the Central Europe/Eastern Europe thing. Better to propose something on the talk page. A WP:Request for comment is one option to consider. EdJohnston (talk) 22:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Hello, EdJohnston. I understand that taking a disagreement to the talk page is always the better option, or at least always better than edit-warring. And I probably should get a consensus on the talk page before I add the note that details the common regional descriptions of Poland. However, (and I am genuinely asking for you opinion here, not being facetious), do you believe it's necessary for me to start yet another talk page discussion or RfC on the regional placement of Poland? It's been discussed time and again and fairly recently, and it appears the outcome in previous discussions was that both "Eastern Europe" and "Central Europe" should remain.
Looking through the edit history, it seems that this compromise never materialized on the page due to constant reverts by editors opposed to the inclusion of "Eastern Europe." I'm just wondering how it will be any different after another discussion. The outcome of a discussion will likely be the same, while in practice the page will continue to just use "Central Europe" in the opener, as highly motivated and passionate editors will likely continue to revert any sourced content referring to Poland as part of Eastern Europe. I understand these editors' impassioned motivation for removing "Eastern Europe" from the page; I really do, I get it, I understand the reasons behind it. But it's highly POV and seems awfully unencyclopedic to ignore a countless number of sources due to personal or politically-motivated disagreement with said sources. Madreterra (talk) 15:52, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
If the words of the article were never modified due to the RfC, that is a thing which you could discuss on the talk page. I was hoping you could ask the closer of the RfCs, i.e. User:LavaBaron but he is currently blocked. Since asking the closer is not an option, would you consider reading over the two RfCs on your own and making a judgment on a new article wording that would best satisfy the concerns expressed? If you find one, you could propose it on talk. It is not hard for admins to enforce a clear talk page agreement when there is one, so if you manage to get support for a compromise on the talk page, it will be possible for admins to defend it. EdJohnston (talk) 16:16, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

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Heavy psych article[edit]

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I saw your edits on the heavy metal article. I've been working on a new article titled as heavy psych, which is a precursor to heavy metal music. However, I'm not sure how to get around it; would you be interested in contributing?

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Capaci bombing[edit]

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Please do not remove sourced content (Italians)[edit]

Again, you can have your point of view on the matter, but reality is pretty different in Italy as explained by the sources. E.g. I am from Sicily and I am able to speak just few words and famous or folkloristic sentences in Sicilian and totally unable to write or read that language. Same situation for my parents and friends. Some people here are more fluent in Sicilian and this is true, but a clear majority of people speak Italian much better than Sicilian and as the only mother tongue. Italian is the only official language in Sicily and used in the everyday life. Moreover between the Sicilian young generations the second language is often becoming English surpassing Sicilian. The same situation occurs in Italy with the exception of Valle d'Aosta and Trentino Alto Adige and some parts of Venezia Giulia. I strongly recommend you to further study modern Italy or to come here and visit us. :) --79.12.107.189 (talk) 16:55, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

Hey. Listen, I do understand the reality. Infatti, sono italiano. But Wikipedia has certain rules about sourced content. Unfortunately, your personal and anecdotal experiences with parents and friends are not an adequate source and should not be used as a basis for defining "Italians" as a whole. That's just how Wikipedia works. But besides that fact, there are a two other important things to consider regarding this issue.
First, let me assure you that no one is trying to deny that the majority of Italians in Italy speak Italian. However, it's just not necessary or completely accurate to put "speak the Italian language as a mother tongue" in the first sentence as a absolute defining and necessary feature of "Italians". While today the majority of Italian nationals certainly speak Italian as a mother tongue, this has not always been the case and was definitely not the case until fairly recently. Nevertheless, those older Italian nationals who did not speak Italian as a mother tongue would still be considered "Italians", would they not? Yet, according to the definition you currently are putting in the lead sentence, these people would not be "Italians" because they did not "speak Italian as a mother tongue." You understand what I mean?
Secondly, the addition of "speak the Italian language as a mother tongue" is also unnecessary and needlessly specific because the Italian language would already be included under the definition of a shared Italian culture. The prior part of the lead sentence thus already includes the Italian language when it mentions "culture" ("who share a common culture, history and ancestry") Do you see how "who share common culture" already addresses the Italian language?
Also, I have to say that I think you're exaggerating a little bit here. MANY, MANY people in the older generations still speak their regional language. Most of the city of Naples and the surrounding area, including children and young people, speak napoletano as their major day-to-day language. People in valley towns near Bergamo in the North still speak Bergamasco dialects regularly. People in the mountain cities of Abruzzo still speak local languages with each other. All over Italy (including Sicily), many people of all ages speak regional dialects with family and friends. It's less common among younger Italians and upper middle class or upper class Italian people, sure. So, depending on your economic and social group, you could have grown up with less exposure to regional languages. But they remain spoken all over the country, and this is exactly what the sources indicate as well.
Again, no one is denying that the vast majority of Italian nationals are native Italian speakers. But it's just not necessary to put it in the lead sentence as an absolute defining trait of "Italians", especially without a source. Also, please see my edits on the Italians talk page for more of an explanation as to why the sources do not support the assertion that speaking Italian as a mother tongue is a necessary trait that defines all Italians.
Madreterra (talk) 00:29, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
In fact there are sources who support the initial statement so please do not remove sourced statements. Mine was just a personal clarification in a talk page and of course not to be used as source, sources which supports the things you continuously remove are already in the page: I am not even commenting on your point about upper/middle classes cause I find it absurd in the year 2000 and also offensive for the people who also speak the regional languages.--79.12.107.189 (talk) 10:39, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

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