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English as first foreign language initiative[edit]

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English as first foreign language initiative[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of English as first foreign language initiative[edit]

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A tag has been placed on English as first foreign language initiative, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be unambiguous advertising that only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the general criteria for speedy deletion, particularly item 11, as well as the guidelines on spam.

If you can indicate why the subject of this article is not blatant advertising, you may contest the tagging. To do this, please add {{hangon}} on the top of English as first foreign language initiative and leave a note on the article's talk page explaining your position. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would help make it encyclopedic, as well as adding any citations from independent reliable sources to ensure that the article will be verifiable. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.  Blanchardb -MeMyEarsMyMouth- timed 00:37, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Ok[edit]

Ok thanks for the advice ! What is goanna happen now for the page ? --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 01:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi[edit]

Is it possible to remove the blocks about copyright while waiting ? --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Copyright release with the standard template sent to permissions-en@wikimedia.org[edit]

I hope it will be OK, I exactly followed your email. --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Notability concerns[edit]

Hello,

I have rewritten the article to be neutral. Referring to every argument as a consideration or a statement from the initiative. The text is explaining what the initiative is about and from that point of view it fulfills its goals. The verification can be maid on the website of the initiative where all the description of the article can be found.

The aim of the article is not to promote, but to inform about an issue of development in the african countries mainly ... I can rename the article : "English language related issue of development in African countries"

Do you prefer that ?

If you need other precisions, please add them in the text like elsewhere in Wikipedia (citation needed ... etc)

I feel what's happening is a little bit unfair ... why don't you tell me what is the real problem ? For what part do you need citations ? Can you make a list instead of erasing the page every time ?

Thanks --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 20:20, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

New modification to the page[edit]

What about now ? --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 20:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Is it ok ?[edit]

Is it ok ? --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 21:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Is this a politically motivated censorship ?[edit]

--Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 21:23, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

You know that Tunisia was formerly occupied by France ?[edit]

Is there anyone trying to silence any information about our initiatve? --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 21:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone reading my messages ?[edit]

--Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 21:34, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Not normally: your talk page is primarily a place where other people communicate with you, so normally nobody comes here unless they want to leave you a message. If you want to communicate with someone else, please leave a message at their talk page. Nyttend (talk) 14:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

A message about things related to this article[edit]

Everything is done to keep African from knowing the truth … They are told things like there is English teaching in those countries … But the truth is that the level of English that is taught as 2nd or 3rd foreign language does not allow the African people to work, communicate, sell, read the news, make scientific research and be comfortable with technological matters !!! The vast majority of countries where English is ALREADY 1st foreign language are doing huge efforts to increase the level of English in schools and universities : In Europe (including France), South America, the Middle East and Asia there are numerous programs to enhance the teaching of English and to teach it sooner in the curriculum … But they keep saying to the African people that they know enough English !!!!!! There is absolutely no reason for those people to keep speaking any other foreign language that was imposed on them by force, by corruption and terror

--Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 22:10, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Please be civil. Making threats and false accusations is not acceptable behavior on WO. Take some time to learn about how WP works, and its requirements for aticles, before insulting the very people who can help improve the article. If I insulted you like that, and accused you of crimes, would you really want to help me with anything at all, even if you were totally innocent of those accusations? I really doubt it. I understand you care about this issue, but don't let your passion destroy your mission. - BilCat (talk) 00:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, sorry, I overreacted ... I wasn't threatening anybody, just denouncing some things that are happening elsewhere ... I hope you understand. I have been seeing a lot of people with sunglasses and earplugs lately ... I am disposed to work on the article to make it better ... Have you any propositions to start with ? Thank you for your support I suppressed the "angry" part ... it is 3AM here in Paris ... --82.245.124.90 (talk) 02:12, 27 March 2010 (UTC) --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 02:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

As for your complete rewrite of the article, I'm sorry to say that it is just as promotional as the original. You are stating the initiative's goals. There is, quite simply, no way you can write about the goals without it being inherently promotional, therefore unacceptable for Wikipedia. What you should do, instead, is cite third-party independent sources stating to what extent these goals have already been accomplished by the initiative. See WP:NOBLECAUSE.
Note, also, that I have asked you to find third-party reliable sources. If no such sources exist, then that means Wikipedia cannot keep your article. -- Blanchardb -MeMyEarsMyMouth- timed 04:18, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Hello, I added one third party source in the External link with an article about the initiative ... There is also an article on attac.org but the site seems to be down for the moment. I replaced the goals with an achvements section. Now anyone can add to the article ... maybe I shouldn't be the only contributor ... However, I hope it is sufficiently adequate for now not to be deleted.

Thanks --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 06:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the article doesn't demonstrate the importance (I'm not talking about notability; I simply mean the normal meaning of "importance" or "significance") of its subject. If you want to rewrite it and show why it's important, leave a message on my talk page (not here!) asking me to undelete the article. Nyttend (talk) 14:20, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
The article is now at User:Mahdi.mrabet/English as first foreign language initiative. When you believe that you've demonstrated its importance AND its notability, feel free to move it back to its old title. If you're not sure how to move a page, see Help:Moving a page. Nyttend (talk) 14:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm working on it ! For the notability, I feel I answered the concerns of blanchardb on third party references and assessement of the achievements. But maybe other contributors will feel like adding some things in the future too ! --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

There, the modified version is online ! I hope it meets all the requirements of Wikipedia ! If it's not, or if you have any other objection to the page, could you please just tell me instead of deleting it ? I would make the modification anyway ! You have my word.

Thank you. --Mahdi.mrabet (talk) 21:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of English as first foreign language initiative[edit]

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An article that you have been involved in editing, English as first foreign language initiative, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/English as first foreign language initiative. Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. -- Blanchardb -MeMyEarsMyMouth- timed 05:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

AFD discussion[edit]

i want to emphasize that my comment at AFD was not in the slightest bit sarcastic. i have added a link to the project site to my userpage, and will follow the project myself. it seems really interesting. good luck, and dont let the afd depress you. its NOT a judgement on the value of the project, at least by me, and probably not from others. and i do have some idea how the global information superstructure continues to impede many peoples progress towards sustainability and success.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 01:08, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Your question on Talk:English language[edit]

Hi Mahdi.mrabet. As pointed out here, the big problem is that this initiative just doesn't seem notable enough yet. In other words, before we can have an article about it on Facebook, it needs to be mentioned in lots of independent reliable sources, like newspapers and magazines (especially international ones), books, television documentaries, and independent reports. And there either needs to be a couple of in-depth mentions in these sources, or a large number of more superficial mentions. This page tells you more. As someone says on the Article for Deletion page, it may be that this initiative will one day be notable enough to appear on Wikipedia. You can either wait till then, or, if you believe the initiative is already notable enough, you'll need to find enough reliable independent sources to justify that. I hope that helps! garik (talk) 17:02, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Language barrier[edit]

Hi Mahdi.mrabet! Other than the copyrighted image, there were two main problems with your edit:

  1. It was not sourced to reliable sources
  2. It was not written in an encyclopedic tone

In short, in order to include text on Wikipedia, it must firstly be written in a neutral tone that does not take sides and does not make assumptions. Also, while reliable sources aren't strictly required, text that is not sourced may be removed if other editors have serious doubts about its accuracy. I hope that you take this as constructive criticism and continue making positive contributions to Wikipedia! Cheers, Ynhockey (Talk) 23:49, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi again! I believe that making a blanket revert (removal) of this particular edit was justified because of a combination of the two factors outlined above. Had there only been one problem (either no sources or not neutral), it would indeed have been better to discuss the edit first. However, content that does not adhere to Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and is unsourced at the same time should not be on Wikipedia. Please feel free to take the initiative and start a talk page discussion if you believe that the removal was unwarranted. —Ynhockey (Talk) 23:59, 29 March 2010 (UTC)