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Nice to see a fan of my work.  ;) And a fellow deletionist! --SquidSK (1MClog) 00:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Coptic identity

What revision? I am adding new information! I am not aware of any rules against adding new information to articles on Wikipedia! --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 23:45, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

No I did not. Look at the same edit and you'll realize that I moved it within the article, I did NOT delete it! Not to mention that this paragraph is NOT the one I am objecting to on the discussion page. --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 23:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
Are YOU serious?! The freaking paragraph and quote are found in the first paragraph under the header "Copts and Arab identity"! Maybe you need a pair of new glasses. --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 00:06, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
And by the way, I will not be putting the article to rest. There is still a lot that needs to be done to improve it, and I am determined to make of it a good encyclopedic article. --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 00:07, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Hi Malik. While I can see your point about the level of activity at Coptic identity, I don't think the warning about edit-warring was necessary. I have not introduced the same material more than once. I have also discussed every new addition and all concerns on the talk page. I agree that the heat level is a little too high right now and so have backed off for the time being. But the page is a terrible POVFORK, in desperate need of some expert attention. Any takers? Tiamuttalk 00:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Its okay. In a sense, your instinct is right. Its a related dispute in any case. However, I was trying to be careful not to repeat the pattern of edit warring that began at Arab Christian at the new article Coptic identity. I thought I was successful, but again, as I said above, I should probably back off, given the level of heat, and the history of protracted disgreement my interactions with Lanternix have generally yielded. Tiamuttalk 00:22, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
Why don't you encourage the other user to use the talk page like I do, instead of threatening me? Not to mention that I spent days perfecting this article, while this other user (whose sole goal since his/her appearance on Wikipedia last month appears to be messing up with Coptic-related articles) is simply reverting my efforts! --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 03:38, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

New Boyz Discography

Hi and thanks for the note. You are right, I did not include the videos - as they are simply on You Tube and their website, therefore are not mainstream videos. Does that make a difference? Regards, --Manway (talk) 06:30, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Good enough. Thanks for the help. --Manway (talk) 06:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sornarajah

C'est la vie. I was on the borderline about doing tags and speedy anyway, so I can't say it was entirely unexpected. I did some basic formatting on the article and gave it the needed tags (wikify, tone, stubs). Zelse81 (talk) 07:46, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Daniel Tillson

Hello Hot Steam Valve, and thanks for your work patrolling new changes. I am just informing you that I declined the speedy deletion of Daniel Tillson - a page you tagged - because: The article asserts Tillson is "the youngest person to manage a federal campaign in the United States". Please review the criteria for speedy deletion before tagging further pages. If you have any questions or problems, please let me know. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 07:48, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Hi Malik Shabazz and thank you for your quick response to the speedy deletion request. The criteria for speedy deletion states that "The criterion does apply if the claim of significance or importance given is not credible." I am having a difficult time finding any article on the internet that can even remotely support the claim that he is "the youngest campaign manager" or if he is under review by Guiness World Records. If there is another avenue which you find more appropriate to removing the article or otherwise improving it to meet Wikpedia's notability guideline I would like to know. I would be more than happy to discuss this at a starbucks in Georgetown if you'd like. Hot Steam Valve (talk) 08:09, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
The only thing I can find is this article from Tillson's high school newspaper (page 3 of the PDF), which repeats the claim that he is the youngest federal campaign manager and a candidate for the Guinness Book of World Records. The Wikipedia article is poorly sourced, but I think it makes a credible assertion of Tillson's importance. Whether he's actually notable is a separate matter, and I would support deleting the article under PROD or AfD. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 08:14, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I've tried PROD but that was quickly disputed, so I now have the article under AfD. Thanks for your help and time. Hot Steam Valve (talk) 08:35, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Adnan Tarsha

We appreciate your protecting the copyright of, and would like to inform you that this link is one of our website's links and we are who made the article "Adnan Tarsha" which you deleted from your website, so there isn't a copyright violation, and the title of the article "Adnan Tarsha" is the name of the owner himself of our website Thank you for your cooperation المعلم الكبير (talk) 15:15, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Golan hills

Hello admin, last month there was a rfc at the Golan article for what names to use for the Golan hills [1], I am not sure where to go from here. Could you take a look at all the comments, and all the evidence presented? --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 19:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Request for some eyes

Malik, I'd appreciate it if you'd look over what I've done regarding a controversial move request at Talk:Mohammad_Mosaddegh (see also discussion at my talk page). I'm fairly sure I have interpreted policies and consensus appropriately, but I'd appreciate confirmation or suggestions for improvement from a more experienced set of eyes. (If you are wondering how you got dragged into this, you declined a speedy deletion request I had placed while trying to resolve the move request. Sorry for dragging you into more than you bargained for when you hit that "decline" button. Face-smile.svg) Thanks. — ækTalk 04:26, 24 December 2009 (UTC)


Could you please have a look at the talk page: —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wwmargera (talkcontribs) 20:30, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Michael Moore

Could you please confirm whether you do not object to my putting in his statements if I don't state that some people consider them to be misandrist? Wwmargera (talk) 23:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Ethnicity of performers in pornography

Hi there. I think this article is kind of a "mess" of three possibly interlinked but apparently separate topics, namely ethnic stereotypes in pornography, interracial pornography, and the concept of racial fetishism. A gallery had been added to justify this piling but the title of the article doesn't fit in anyway. I think that the article should be divided into three separate ones as per their proper subject matters. Since interest in this article seems to have been faded since almost a year, I decided that asking your opinion would prove better. Ciao! Behemoth (talk) 07:49, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your attention and help. Happy holidays. Behemoth (talk) 14:01, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for ...

Thank you for assuming good faith in response to my comment at the CfD for Category:Misandrists, where I chided you for not declaring upfront your depopulation of the category.

I realised later that the form of words I had used might not fully convey what I meant to say, which was based on my own past experience of situations like this.

I have had several such occasions myself where my own failure to promptly explain unusual actions have allowed others to start hurling rocks on the basis of their assumptions of bad faith, and once the story becomes "sneaky editor did something bad" it's very hard to move beyond that narrative. Once established, a perception of underhandedness is very hard to shake off, even if it is unjustified. That's why in a case like this one, it's much the best to pre-empt any such suspicions by acting as quickly as possible to declare what you did and why, acknowledging that it was an out-of-process action but explaining why you have done it and asking others to review your actions. That way, you can demonstrate yuo front your good faith, and the worst that anyone can say to you is "well-intentioned wrong call", rather than "you devious sneaky disruptive editor".

I was delighted to see that despite my clumsy phrasing, you managed to infer the meaning I intended, and act promptly. Thank you! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:44, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

No problem. The CfD template says not to empty the category while it's under discussion, but I should have thought to explain why I had emptied it earlier. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:34, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Please reinstate my article for Kash Johns

Please reinstate my article on Kash Johns ( ) . All information on him was and is accurate. I look forward in having this reinstated. If more information is needed or something was done wrong,please let me know what is needed.

15seconds (talk) 04:17, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Re Copt and Coptic Identity Articles

Hello. In reference to your message on my Talk page, I have invited Lanternix to present their sources on the articles' respective Discussion pages. How long should we have to wait for them to provide acceptable sources and explanation for their arguments? Why are there two articles with the essentially same content anyway? Are you an Admin? Can you help settle this matter? -Medjool (talk) 07:53, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, Malik, the reverting editor has not replied on the articles' Talk pages and I doubt that they will have evidence to support their reversions. It's time the controversial material came off those articles. You have not told me if you are an Admin. -Medjool (talk) 04:03, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of CIPFM article

you were right to have delighted my CIPFM article due to copy right issue but you have no need to worry, as we are part of CIPFM however we are working on a more ideal version to submit

Handsom —Preceding unsigned comment added by Handsom (talkcontribs) 16:29, 27 December 2009 (UTC)


You sent me a message earlier. My browser (Google Chrome) is having a cookie meltdown. Could you repost the messages you sent? --iBendiscuss 04:55, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


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Linux for the blind and partially sighted?

Hi Malik,

It seem you deleted the page we are trying to create on the grounds that is was unambiguous advertising or promotion ( I have read the regulations). I am a little surprised that it was deleted before any content was posted. We are planning to provide information about a wide range of open-source accessibility software, this will mainly be linux based, but will include comparisons with windows and mac based accessibility etc. We are not trying to promote a particular distro or package, we just want there to a be a central place where people can find out about open source accessibility, with links to all of the relevant websites etc - there doesn't seem to be anything like this on wikipedia as yet. What criterion do we need to meet in order not to get deleted? Do we need a different title? Such as open source accessibility for the visually impaired etc. There is no financial or business benefits to doing this, we are just trying to provide information for visually impaired users who want to explore open source solutions - this is particularly important in the third world where people cannot afford proprietary solutions. I look forward to your reply/advice!

Dr.Anthony Sales Royal National College for the Blind Hereford United Kingdom (talk) 20:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The article appeared to promote Vinux. Please consider adding relevant information to Computer accessibility. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Fujistu FLEPia


I'm a bit confused why the article, Fujitsu FLEPia, I submitted was deleted (it said G11, advertising etc). The article was copied from another wiki page (which is unaffiliated with Fujitsu): What exactly made it seem like advertising, and what should be changed?

Thanks, Ed

Eantonya (talk) 21:50, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification about the redir deletion request!

--Atlan da Gonozal (talk) 20:15, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Black Panther Party

Thanks for fixing my recent edit - I meant to only add the minor information about the SPLC's take on the New Black Panther Party. Cheers, ClovisPt (talk) 23:44, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


I've nominated List of former Jews, List of former Christians, and List of former Muslims together for deletion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Jews.Kitfoxxe (talk) 18:19, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

thank you

You are so very kind.Missivonne (talk) 04:29, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Mary Daly's death

Mary Hunt sent this email through the Water list for members of Feminist Studies In Religion, Inc.:

"With a heavy heart, yet grateful beyond words for her life and work, I report that Mary Daly died this morning, January 3, 2010 in Massachusetts. She had been in poor health for the last two years.

Her contributions to feminist theology, philosophy, and theory were many, unique, and if I may say so, world-changing. She created intellectual space; she set the bar high. Even those who disagreed with her are in her debt for the challenges she offered.

When I return from vacation at week's end I will post more. But I want WATER colleagues, of which she was a stalwart one, to know this now. She always advised women to throw our lives as far as they would go. I can say without fear of exaggeration that she lived that way herself.

May her spirit soar and her ideas endure.

Mary E. Hunt Hoechenschwand, Germany" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amberjademwekali (talkcontribs) 01:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Deleted External Links


Hi, I was wondering if you could explain why the external links I added to a number of articles have been deleted. I have read through the Wikipedia link guidelines and am still confused as to why the links have been removed.

They seem to contribute valuable, unique and relevant content to the articles. They are not sales links, affiliate links, blatant advertising or irrelevant, at least from what I can see. If I am mistaken (and it seems that I must be) please advise as to how I can be a better contributor to the Wiki community.

Thanks for your help.

CityNY (talk) 20:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

You appear to be ignoring previous advice given to you, so your comments here seem disingenuous. The reply on my talk page still applies and is copied here:
By adding links to across multiple articles your actions are exactly those of a spammer promoting this site. The link fails WP:ELNO #5 and as your contributions have been to do little but promote this site since you created your account you may find the guidance of WP:COI helpful in case you are affiliated with Real Estate On-Line.
Ash (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Here is Sandstein's reponse

[2]. How do you suggest we proceed now? Tiamuttalk 21:12, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for trying Malik Shabazz, I really do appreciate it. I'm not sure I can le the whole thing drop now. I'm waiting to hear from Nableezy before going ahead with an appeal, and for some feedback from Gatoclass, whose opinion I hold in high regard. I do think there have been some similar complaints regarding Sandstein in the past: [3], [4], [5]. So I think an RfC might actually be appropriate, but perhaps ANI first? I don't know, but thanks for your thoughts. Tiamuttalk 22:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
FYI, Nableezy has decided to file an appeal at AE. Tiamuttalk 21:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Chabad on Wikipedia arbitration request

Since you have been kind enough to comment at the unresolved WP:COI case at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest/Noticeboard/User:Yehoishophot Oliver, you may wish to know that it has now been nominated for arbitration. Feel free to review at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Chabad movement editors and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thank you for your input and patience, IZAK (talk) 09:39, 5 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi, The JIDF page is currently semi-protected for a month. I'm wanting to take advantage of this to sort out some of the long-standing problems. Currently I'm going through section by section proposing amendments. Feel free to join in.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I'm definitely in need of feedback on whether my suggestions. So far the only comments are from the IPs who are obviously David Donut/Einstein Appletree and from Oboler. The latter is at least an editor in good standing but all the evidence is that he and Appletree are not just people who come from the same political place but people who have had long term friendly off-wiki contact with each other. I was therefore feeling rather ganged up on.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Ps. If you look at the talk page, you'll see th ecomment where Appletree agrees with himself while absent-mindedly using the same IP for both posts. Is there anything that can be done about such bad faith actions?--Peter cohen (talk) 11:37, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


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I see that this has been speedily deleted under G11, but don't recall how recently it was tagged - it certainly slipped my attention.

As I recall, this article was on the (pretty large & significant) welding company and was a long way from meeting G11. In particular, the topic of this company is entirely sound as a subject and any issues that there were could have been dealt with by copywriting, not CSD.

Any thoughts? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:10, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Tylman AfD

What exactly do you mean with this? Are you accusing me of lying? Offliner (talk) 22:25, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

You said "There is strong suspicion that repeating a lie frequently convinces many people to believe it." Who is repeating a lie here? Offliner (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
There is no other way of interpreting your words other than that you are accusing me of lying. If this is indeed not your intention, I suggest you reword your post per WP:CIV. Offliner (talk) 22:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
I have asked another admin to review your comments.[6] Offliner (talk) 22:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

A lie? Perhaps you should look at the evidence. Is arbcom lying? Triplestop x3 22:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Nope, it happened after the leak. You have no evidence to show that it didn't happen either, so your accusation of lying is entirely unfounded. But what we do have is the general pattern of canvassing as shown by the Arbcom case as well as the conduct that occurred on-wiki. What is your argument that collusion did not occur? Triplestop x3 23:06, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Huh? I never said that collusion did take place. I said that others alleged it and provided the evidence for people to judge themselves. My own belief is that based on the prior collusion and the conduct that occurred, it is very likely, as it is an unlikely coincidence that 7 of the members just happened to come and defend their ally. As for Offliner, I have nothing to gain from supporting him. I am not active in the topics that Offliner edits. Triplestop x3 23:45, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

I was just randomly clicking around...

...and came across your "fan mail". Yikes! I thought the vandalism I attracted was bad. Keep on keepin' on, I guess (if you can excuse the Allman Bros. reference). freshacconci talktalk 22:26, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration case opens/Chabad movement

Hi Malik: Since you have been involved in the topic of Chabad, this is to let you know that an official arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement. You may wish to add your comments for the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement/Evidence. The ArbCom asks that evidence be submitted within one week, if possible. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Chabad movement/Workshop. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 05:58, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Picture of Jean-Pierre Changeux

Hi Malik,

The picture of Jean-Pierre Changeux that I use in his English and French articles has been nominated, again, for deletion. The issue is the permission of the picture. Changeux just CCed me the email he sent to wikimedia, confirming that this picture is in the public domain. Could-you or someone suppress the deletion procedure please. T

Thank-you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lenov (talkcontribs) 12:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

List of Jews in the African diaspora

A person whos grandfather on his fathers side was jewish cannot be concidered a jew. The list is full of mistakes like this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Sean Paul - Jew in the African diaspora???

What reliable source claims that for example that Sean Paul is Jewish? I cant find a single one, actually you can easily find out he was raised catholic.. And by what standard does a Jewish grandfather make you Jewish? This and many other enteries are fictious at best. Please direct me to the "reliable sources". —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Your revert


please provide a rationale for this rv.

  • The user whose comment I struck out is topic banned, why did you restore his comment and remove the link to his topic ban?
  • The user to whose vote I added a COI comment is a friend of the article's subject, a link was provided. This certainly makes his keep vote for his friend somehow COIed, don't you think? Why did you remove the mention?

Best Skäpperöd (talk) 07:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Since when is only the blocking admin allowed to strike out edits in violation of a topic ban? Since when is pointing out a COI creating a "hostile environment"? Please self-rv or, as you are now aware of both the COI and the topic ban violation, re-instate under your own name. Skäpperöd (talk) 07:18, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


I requested a review of your actions in the Tylman case at AN/I [7]

WP:ANI#Review of administrative action by Malik Shabazz requested

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comment deletion

I restored your inappropriately deleted comment. I also informed blocking admit to remove topic banned editor's vote, as it is rather clear that his vote dont belong to the AfD per ban instructions. M.K. (talk) 09:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Modesty in Talk-language

Malik Shabbaz - regarding your talk 12 January 2010

I understand that you may have particular credentials or expertise, and that you work in Wikipedia as a sort of elite-editor, administrator or what have you, but I politely ask you to be more modest in your language (above) in order not to give an overbearing masterful impression of treating everybody else as a dumb newbie. Latest examples are: "Please read" this or that (while taking for granted that it was not, but should have been read), or "you should have picked up" this or that (assuming that you are dumb), or "your obsessive need" (assuming that you are obsessed) followed by a threatening "will be going to WP:ANI", often followed by wholesale reference to an alphabet of policies and guidelines. This may sometimes be informative but I perceive the tone as disruptive for a discussion climate of mutual respect. I get the impression that you are disciplining folks most of the time from a position of a sort of Talk-manager. I guess that you are not aware that all this creates an air of arrogant "ego inflation", a danger which grows with increasing giftedness. I am also a sinner but I am struggling to meet welcomed criticism and to be self-critical, and all this is relevant in the talk since it affects our capability to improve the article . Thank you. Stefanson (talk) 01:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your apology I see today. Mine were only examples. I hope you noted what I feel is a similar tone in the comments directed to others. Stefanson (talk) 11:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

recent deletion

Thanks for deleting this. I'm afraid I'm brand new to Wiki editing and didn't realise the article was inconsistent with Wikipedia's criteria for "notability". I'm currently rectifying that situation by perusing said criteria. My apologies for putting "the cart before the donkey" so to speak. I do enjoy Wikipedia and the last thing I want is to inconvenience its editors with irrelevant submissions.


J. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jodon1971 (talkcontribs) 23:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I want to recorrect my article of "Hormuud Telecom"

Please let me publish a well documented article without any copyright violations. Its was thankfull if you could return my job back and I'll change it. Even I would appreciate if you notify me with the problem areas.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hortel (talkcontribs) 23:44, 13 January 2010 (UTC)


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History of the Jews in 20th-century Poland

Thank you for you help.Xx236 (talk) 08:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Romanian local barons

(I read your page on deleting articles; it didn't help)

I wrote an article about a particularity of an Eastern European country's political system, the so called Romanian local barons. It is a subject of public interest, and while it was a rather short article, I would have improved on it later. I spent some time writing it and I was very upset to see it dissapear, especially since you don't seem like such a great authority on this issue. I happen to be a Romanian sociology graduate interested in Romanian politics and I tried to offer a balanced view on this issue. There are already a few pages on the Romanian local barons (Relu Fenechiu, Liviu Dragnea), so it would have linked very nice. I also had references. So why the delete? And how can I get my text back? I will try to post it again. Please abstain from deleting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Americas Aerospace Quality Group

Hello. Could you check if Americas Aerospace Quality Group was first created just a few days ago, or if it exister earlier? --Apoc2400 (talk) 19:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

History of Judaism in Poland

Can you think of any other links to the sidebar? Ajh1492 (talk) 20:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy Camp Family Resource Center still flagged?

Hi Malik Shabazz,

I already had the appropriate reliable, third-party sources (per the General notability guidelines, which I also referenced) referenced in the notes section when you responded in talk. Why is there still a flag on the article?

Your comment was recorded at 23:01... here is the revision you had available (22:58):

Please at least look at the references. They are verifiable and reliable third party sources (county funding discussion, county newspaper article, etc).

Thank you very much :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lokedawgg (talkcontribs) 23:46, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Category for deletion: Your opinion needed

Hello, Malik Shabazz! There is a category which is being discussed for deletion which I see great use in. It is: Category:Musicians who have served in the military. I wonder if you would check it out, and offer your opinion, either way, "Keep" or "Delete", here. (I hope you will let me know whether you find my request inappropriate. Cheers!)--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 01:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your honest input! Cheers!--Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 01:47, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

HOCR (software)

Hello Malik Shabazz.
The article HOCR (software) was deleted by User:NJA becouse it did not have references and User:Okedem did not find news/links to it using short google search.
After the deletion I *rewrote* the article using references from independent notable sources.
Seeing the article back in Wikipedia re-delete the new article (the fixed one with the refernces). I left the same note in talk page. The article you deleted was the *new* article and not the article that was the subject of the first speedy-delete.

Can you re-check the new article ? Kzamir (talk) 05:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

thank you for your speedy answer.
hocr like other free software does not have sponsors that will put its name in magazines and newspapers. if you will look at the other free softwere OCR programs in wikipeida CuneiForm · GOCR · Ocrad · OCRopus · Tesseract you will see that none of them has significant media coverage. All of this articles including HOCR are good wikipedia article that give verified knowledge for pepole who seek knolage about ocr programs. If you only leave programs that have lots of media coverage, like Microsoft Office Document Imaging you will be doing bad service to wikipedia and its readers. Kzamir (talk) 06:58, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
I "only follow rules" is *NOT* a good answer. Will you delete all the articles about free software i mentioned above ? I did not find lots of coverage for Microsoft Office Document Imaging outside of microsot site and personal blogs, are you going to delete this article too ? All of them are good valid wikipedia articles that give good knolage for people who seek it.
Please re think the issue, leaving an article about free sotware in the wikipedia that has *14* independent references is not aoutside the rules. If you think the article needs revision, please advise. Kzamir (talk) 07:25, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for your sugestion, i opend a review, please help if you think some other information should be in the review
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deleting my article

I would like to know why several other member of the same military unit are mentioned in Wikipedia but when I try to publish one about antoher man in the same unit you delete my article. Was his service not worthy enough to mention when several other of his companions are? he served during Operation Task Force Ranger in Somalia. You have an article about Lee Van Arsdale, Matt Eversman, Norm Hooten but I can not publish an article about him(J.L.Tartaglione is his name.) Please explain why. mquispe —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mquispe (talkcontribs) 06:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Notable people

The people I mentioned before are notable. The person I wrote the article about is JUST as NOTABLE. The reason there is not much about him public is because he was a DELTA Special forces operator and just retired. Therefore most of what he did was classified. Again my question is, what makes the before mentioned people who JL Tartaglione served with able to have an article but not him. Please read their bios on Wikipedia and tell me why is he different. He is verifiably on his first name is Joseph last name Tartaglione. He is just as decorated and has served honorably just like the men who have articles. He served with Norm Hooten, trained by Lee Van Arsdale and lost many friends who died that day in October in Somalia.Even Todd Blackburn has an article and he did not participate in the operation. He at least deserves to be mentioned in the Battle of Mogadishu article. Again if the men who I mentioned careers are notable enough to put on wikipedia so is his. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mquispe (talkcontribs) 07:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Dre McFly Page Deletion

Im Really Asking Can You Please not delete the article and reinstate this page please?

Iv'e Included Most Of The Evidence I Could Find

Can You please advise what is required for me to keep this artivle up.

HERE'S SOME LINKS OF OF PROOF : - Black Entertainment Television BET - Webster Hall WIth Cipha Sounds - Wasted Remix (Tokyo, Japan) - Intercontinental Make A Wish Ball Red Carpet Miami (fan base) (fan base)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:26, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

In order to qualify for an encyclopedia, a person must be "notable". Please read WP:MUSICIAN, the relevant notability guideline. Does Dre McFly meet any of the criteria in the notability guidelines? Of the links you've provided, only this one seems like independent coverage in a reliable source. Please let me know if Dre McFly has been the subject of other coverage in reliable sources, or if he satisfies the notability guidelines in some other way, and I'd be happy to restore the article. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:41, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


I did not feel it was directed at me. I have no interest in further filling the project page with junk, but three false statements about me in just one post are no fun either. Your suggestion actually relieved me, and in contrast to your previous comments, I did not take that as an offense at all. It would be very helpful if everyone follow up, and the project page was concerned with nothing but comments of people who are actually permitted to comment there, focussing on whether the article is an autobiographical promo of a non-notable subject or a valid encyclopedia entry. And whether this treshold is reached is a matter of RS coverage only. Best Skäpperöd (talk) 18:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)


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Jaroslav Malina (anthropologist) deletion

Dear Mr. Shabazz, I sent you an e-mail regarding the article about professor Malina. Thank you for your consideration. M. Cuta —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcuta (talkcontribs) 11:35, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


Regarding this edit, I think it's worth mentioning the very prominent role Jews have had in the gay rights struggle. Surely, at least Harvey Milk is worth mentioning. Now that I'm researching, it seems that second and third wave feminism were also almost exclusively pioneered by American Jews, which I'd also like to mention. What do you think?--Louiedog (talk) 19:17, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Dre McFly **Article For Deletion

Im Really Asking Can You Please not delete the article and reinstate this page please?

Iv'e Included Most Of The Evidence I Could Find

Can You please advise what is required for me to keep this artivle up.

HERE'S SOME LINKS OF OF PROOF : - Black Entertainment Television BET - Webster Hall WIth Cipha Sounds - Wasted Remix (Tokyo, Japan) - Intercontinental Make A Wish Ball Red Carpet Miami (fan base) (fan base) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:21, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Your recent reverts

Your recent reverts were inappropriate, and I am shocked to see an administrator behaving in such a manner. You haven't discussed anything on the talk pages, and you have labelled my edits as POV pushing when in fact all I have done is add indication of the source of a photograph and the story behind it. I am expecting a good explanation. Breein1007 (talk) 21:52, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Dre McFly **Article For Deletion

Everything Was Proved On My Article No FICTION i'm trying to find some proof about MTV TRL but the pictures was lost and the show was cancelled . A lot was done with my article and BET and im trying to find more internet proof i provided pictures, accomplishments , magazines , Television and More. Nothing was made up and the artist has notability. I'm Begging For You To Restore This Article. Thank You , Have A Blessed Day.

A new proposal

Hi Malik :) I posted a new proposal for discussion at the Village Pump here. Would be grateful if you could give your comments there. Thanks ▒ Wirεłεşş ▒ Fidεłitұ ▒ Ćłâşş ▒ Θnε ▒ ―Œ ♣Łεâvε Ξ мεşşâgε♣ 04:25, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Phil Ochs

Thanks for alphabetizing, and more important, for your great work on the Phil Ochs articles. I am a little young to appreciate Ochs when he was around, but the Kind of Like Spitting cover album opened me up to him. FYI it is available at The Hush Records website for a very low price. KILS is mostly a indie/punkish band, but the tribute album is pretty mellow without sounding like a carbon copy of the originals.

I read the Schumacher book this past Spring and found Ochs' life very interesting. Thanks again for your work. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 22:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Cabarets (?) in Poland in History of the Jews in 20th-century Poland

From Julian Tuwim: In 1918 Tuwim co-founded the cabaret, "Picador," and worked as a writer or artistic director with many other cabarets such as "Czarny kot" (Black Cat 1917–1919), "Quid pro Quo" (1919–1932), "Banda" The Gang and "Stara Banda" The Old Gang (1932–1935) and finally "Cyrulik Warszawski" (Barber of Warsaw 1935–1939).

Many Jewish writers and actors participated in the above cabarets/theaters. I don't know if there is an English language source. I understand that Polish 'Kabaret" isn't exactly "cabaret" in English. I would like to add the above sentence to History of the Jews in 20th-century Poland. Marian Hemar should be mentioned, Korad Tom should have an article here as a director, writer and actor.Xx236 (talk) 10:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I'm alissayuhu and I am writing you concerning an article that has just been deleted. I have read the page you suggested to, but I still think my article should be allowed on wikipedia.

Here are some links about this emerging artist that show his relevance.

Ps i am not the artist.

I would appreciate if you could take the time to view them and let me know.

Thank you very much for your time,

Best regards, Alissayuhu —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alissayuhu (talkcontribs) 20:14, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Problems with the page about Alexander Scherbakov

Dear Sir, please do explain why you find it inapropriate to have the information of Alexander Scherbakov put on Wikipedia. We are a serious music management and represent several artists of high caliber. This young musician deserves all the attention he can get and we often receive requests from his fans to put up a biographical text on Wikipedia.

It is not an autobiography and not an advert. It simply serves the interest of classical music lovers around the world.

Thank you for your reply and kind regards,


Siamarts (talk) 20:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Eva-maria de la reyez

Hello. You are completely right, Malik Shabazz, I forgot that. The infobox gives her right for the existence here. I checked this and my head reacted accordingly. A procedural mistake on my side. Wikipedia is a process. Thank you for reminding me that :) --Vejvančický (talk) 22:31, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a hoax? There is no Reyes family in Hollyoaks. --Vejvančický (talk) 22:46, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi Malik,

I would like to ask you to help me to get back the articles content about Cppcheck tool. As far as I can see you have removed it.

Personally I believe in potential of this tool as far as it's open source and its improvement is going on. So I think in future it will be more notable and the writing about it in Wikipedia will be appropriate. Till that time I'm going to keep it in my private swamp. Exuwon (talk) 02:03, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi there. Would it be possible for you to reinstate this image? I can easily add a Fair Use rationale to it, but I didn't even know it was missing one until it was removed from 2008 FIFA Club World Cup. I think this is a fair compromise. – PeeJay 02:16, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

bogdance deletion

Hello sir, I recently created a page about a new form of dance called "bogdance", which was promptly deleted. While it is obviously not a widely accepted type of dance, my friends take it quite seriously. It may sound silly at first, but it is much like the German choreographer Pina Bausch. She had the dancers preform in four inches of water. It is all very symbolic. This dance symbolizes oneness with nature in a world where a single company with a monopoly on its industry can sell genetically modified seeds that only live for a single generation. It is a wholesome way to remind ourselves that we are part of this planet. Dancing in the muck of a bog, surrounded by a plethora of life forms, brings us back to a simpler day. The majority of the people I know who have been planning to bogdance as soon as the snow melts have some ancestry from Ireland, or at least Scotland/ Wales. Bogdancing is, for the most part, Irish Step Dancing with a few variations, including the location. It brings us back to our roots. It may even be similar to what our families were doing several generations ago. Note the word similar.

The real question I have for you is what qualifies something to have a Wikipedia page? How many people must know about something for it to be valid? Is there a number of people required to witness the occurrence of a bogdance to constitute it as a legitimate dance? In 1953, when "The Bunny Hop" was first created, no one knew what it was. Today it has its very own Wikipedia page! If something like that was to be created today (such as "single ladies"), its diffusion throughout the world would be so much more rapid; all thanks to the internet. This article could potentially determine the fate of our new venue for creative expression and exercise.

You seem like a smart guy. I saw on your user page that you are an actuary. My dad is an actuary, and those exams are insane. You seem like a fair, just, logic-respecting person. Surely you can see by censoring innocent pages such as mine, you are stifling creativity and freedom. As far as I can tell, such an article would have no negative impact on Wikipedia, or on you for that matter. Your decision to restore this article will determine the fate of a novel art form. Thank you for your time

Jannine C. (talk) 03:42, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Deleting my article Bollywood Boxoffice Dashboard

Regarding deltion of the article, I would like to mention although the some of the content is already existing on wiki pedia but it is not the same way I have represented. My box-office data is from a credible source and I compile the data and present in a very oragnized manner. For e.g I provide top 10 movies of each year with latest updates and I present total business of top 10 movies year wise which shows the growth of bollywood. This page is updated weekly to provide latest information.

Please let me know your views.

-Sandeep Gupta —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sandeepguptawiki (talkcontribs) 09:11, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Maurice Esposito-Morgan

You're absolutely right. Good call. AlexHOUSE (talk) 17:04, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Al Ramirez

Can please help restore the Al Ramirez article. You mentioned when it was up for speedy deletion that it asserts some importance. Also Ramirez has over 200000 twitter followers and in a state with 36% Hispanic population there is an audience seeking more unbaised and verfied information about candidate who is gaining visbility through the Internet. If elected or if he evn wins the GOP nomination he would be the first GOP Hispanic of Mexican descent in the Senate and the first Hispanic elected by the GOP in CA to the Senate. At the least with such a large Hispanic population he may be a wildcard in the Primary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:58, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry. In order to qualify for an encyclopedia article, a person must be "notable". In my opinion, the article asserted the importance of Al Ramirez, which is a lower standard than notability. When the article was discussed, there was a consensus that Mr. Ramirez is not notable. (You can see the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al Ramirez.) If you think the article should be restored, please discuss the matter with Jayjg, the administrator who deleted it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:15, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for notifying me that you've declined my speedy deletion. I probably handled the article wrong. If indeed the site is a Wikipedia mirror, I'd say Wikimedia's attorneys should look into this matter, because it asserts that it owns the copyright on the text. -- Blanchardb -MeMyEarsMyMouth- timed 02:54, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


Hi there

The page I created MYMAG was deleted, though I can't quite figure out why. My posting included the basic Company information and what the company does, in the most simple explanation possible. My main goal was to link current wikipedia entries (i.e. [[Olivia Munn}} ) which have been involved with the company to this page. Can you give me some tips on what content I'm missing to make the entry more valid? Any help would be appreciated.

--Canadianfuller (talk) 20:47, 22 January 2010 (UTC)



As someone who has just been through the RFA process, what would be your thoughts on the fact that I'm considering making an application when I hit 10K edits around about March time? On the matter related to the standard question on whether I've ever lost it with another editor, I notice that you haven't commented on my proposed changes to JIDF. The only people who have commented are Appletree/Donut in his various disguises and Andre Oboler, who is an editor in good standing byt unfortunately a political ally of Appletree. It means that if I make my proposed changes it would look as if I was going against consensus.--Peter cohen (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Ps. I hope that you don't mind that I've just cribbed one of your designs at User:Peter_cohen#Wikiprojects.--Peter cohen (talk) 00:28, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. Your message caught me as I was working down the list of statements on the big blp-deltion rfc. I've probably lost myself a few potential votes.--Peter cohen (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

About an Eraser


I saw you reacted on Missrain4`s querry for deletion an article. She did the same thing with an article about my band`s album, and the article wasn`t even made yet!? Please if you can react and help me, I would be very grateful. The article is short and very concise, the review links are serous and album has "weight" in underground world (just google in the name of a band).

The name of an article is Jewy Sabatay (album)


Jarooo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarooo (talkcontribs) 17:49, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to see my page gone (Llewella Gideon)

So sorry to see my page gone. I believe it was a well written and comprehensive biography, which was quite freaky to see, as I didn't know it existed and had no idea who had written it. Having said that, I have become immensely proud of it's entry as it sums up my career extremely accurrately. I have read your notes and I am unsure as to why you have deleted it, but do accept that I am not be notable enough in the eyes of some. So my ego will have to deal with that one. However, I should confess that I have used your biography for my own purposes and have put it on my own web page. If this has caused an infringement of copyright which has caused you to have to delete the page. I apologise for any trouble caused and shooting my own self in the foot. But please take it as a huge compliment.

Should a new article every be posted, (cos I really don't know how you find out all that you do). Don't forget to mention my current appearance in Debbie Isitt's Film Nativity and the upcoming London West End Debut of my one woman show "The Best of the Little Big Woman" at the Leicester Square Theatre.

Thanks you for your contribution and taking the time and effort.

Llewella Gideon (talk) 21:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Ms. Gideon,
In order to qualify for an encyclopedia article, a person must be "notable". Please read WP:BIO, the relevant notability guideline. The Wikipedia article about you didn't indicate why you were "notable", and a search for articles about you didn't turn up anything that demonstrated your "notability". Unless we can find substantial independent coverage about you in reliable sources, I'm afraid you don't qualify for a Wikipedia article.
If you disagree with the decision to delete your article, you may take the issue to Deletion review. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:57, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


Why did you revert my edit, and why didn't you remove the image that is not a reliable souse whatsoever ?--Mbz1 (talk) 23:00, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I sure can: "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. " That image is used in the article, and is a part of the article, and it does not fell under description of a reliable source. Let's please keep our discussion in the same place. Let it be my talk page. Watch it please, and respond there--Mbz1 (talk) 23:11, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


I appreciate you. Always have... Best, A Sniper (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


I dont think that block is actually justifiable given that the page has been protected. Nothing is being prevented by the block. nableezy - 05:46, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

usually am ;) nableezy - 05:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Israeli West Bank barrier

Hello Malik, I appreciate that you blocked Mbz1 (talk) after his violation of the three-revert rule on Israeli_West_Bank_barrier, I would like to know why you also protected the page? If you tell me this is the standard thing to do, I will understand, I am not so familiar with conventions on this. I would say that there was not so much an edit-war as a single editor who reverted several other editors. He violated 3R, and he's been blocked. Isn't that a sufficient response? Respectfully, RomaC (talk) 05:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response. Two cartoons were introduced into the article in January, Mbz1 adding the first, with a clear Israeli-POV[8] on Jan 7; the second cartoon, with a clear Palestinian POV[9] was added a couple of weeks later after editors faced opposition on removal of the first cartoon. Next, there were several editors who supported either keeping both cartoons in the article, or else removing both and having no cartoons at all (I supported the latter option). But Mbzl1 responded by removing only the second cartoon. When editors, who were, I think, looking for a compromise, then removed the first cartoon as well, Mbzl1 edit-warred without restraint, violating 3R while arguing NPOV (I regard his position as ironic, because the first cartoon seems racist and is, after all, a political cartoon -- hardly NPOV).
In any case, my concern is that if an editor willfully violates 3R, blocking him for a brief period of time might be an effective response. Don't you think locking the page on his last edit might send the message that an editor can "win" by violating 3R? I am asking you here before going to Requests for Unprotection WP:RFUP. Respectfully, RomaC (talk) 06:37, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I'm aware of "The wrong version" thingy. My question remains, if one editor willfully violates 3R, why should that behavior result in page protection and not a block on the offending editor? Respectfully, RomaC (talk) 06:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Malik, I really would not like you to have any more troubles because of me than you already have. If you feel as undoing protection of the article, and reimpose my block, please do.Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 07:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


A Sniper has opened a thread on the requested move of Jew at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents; I mentioned you there and you may also want to comment. Ucucha 05:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

The page is still at Jew now, but I think we should get it back to Jews by now; as Ohms law stated at Talk:Jew, we shouldn't allow someone to bypass the result of a valid community discussion just by speaking loud. What do you think? Ucucha 23:34, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
That was also my assessment. I'll do the move; there is also some old history at Jews that I deleted the previous time, but that should actually be kept somewhere. I'll sort that out first and then move Jew back. Ucucha 23:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Towers Watson

Updated DYK query On January 25, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Towers Watson, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK Project (nominate) 06:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Sara Roy

Thanks that is very odd. And fixing the tag was the right thing to do. Rich Farmbrough, 08:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC).

there seem to be some strange characters in the article. Rich Farmbrough, 09:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC).

Please help with CSD F8

The now commons category is severely backlogged 0000+ please help with the deletions.--IngerAlHaosului (talk) 11:20, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Nikolay Sergeyevich Borisov

The guy holds a chair at Moscow State University, that clearly satisfies criterion #5. Next time please read the article (it is not long...). Thanks. Pantherskin (talk) 19:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

I am concerned that it was you, exactly you who tagged the article given our past interaction and your misrepresenation of my actions and attacks. Very weird coincidence. Pantherskin (talk) 19:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

ANI discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Pantherskin (talk) 20:01, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Nikolay Sergeyevich Borisov

Hello Malik Shabazz. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Nikolay Sergeyevich Borisov, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. NW (Talk) 20:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)