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RM alert

The move request at Talk:Foreign relations of the Palestinian National Authority was closed, so we're now taking suggestions for an alternative. As you were involved in the previous discussion, I'd be grateful if you could contribute to the new one. Please lodge your support for a proposal, or make one of your own. Night w2 (talk) 04:25, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Members' input needed at WikiProject Women's History

Hello. I'm writing to you as your name is listed on the members page for WikiProject Women's History. In recent discussions at the project, most notably here, several members have indicated that the scope of the project may need to be more clearly defined and communicated. I have set up a workshop page for this, but it obviously needs as wide a participation as possible to achieve genuine consensus and to allow the project to move forward. You'll find the workshop here.

If you no longer consider yourself an active member of the project, it would help if you could indicate this on the members' page. This will allow us to better gauge how much people-power we actually have. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 04:46, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


Is it okay if you would participate in the merge discussion at Talk:2010-2011 Ivorian Crisis? If yes, tell me and I'll give you my reason why the merge should happen. B-Machine (talk) 17:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Phil Ochs, pacifist

I don't much care about categories, but this edit seems a bit ridiculous to me. What kind of definitive source would satisfy - the lyrics to IAMA? What do you think? Tvoz/talk 18:46, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Googled for about 30 seconds and added a commented out ISBN+page number. That should be good enough. But seriously...WP:BLUE probably applies here. NW (Talk) 22:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:42, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for all your hard work and dedication to AMX, I am sure you will agree it was well worth the effort. I couldn't have done it alone, and your contribution was crucial, so thanks Malik, and congratulations to you also. — GabeMc (talk) 01:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


You have just declined speedy deletion of repeatedly created article R.H. Campbell here is the discussion you requested [1] RegardsTeapotgeorgeTalk 08:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

2010-11 Colorado State Rams men's bsketball team" appears to have undeleted itself, or something like that...

Hi Malik Shabazz,

* (Move log); 06:04 . . Shirt58 (talk | contribs) moved 2010-11 Colorado State Rams men's bsketball team to 2010-11 Colorado State Rams men's basketball team (sp)

And there's no trace of the correct article title 2010-11 Colorado State Rams men's basketball team. I'm reluctant to make the page-move again in case I break something. What's going on here?!? (Message also sent to Vejvančický.)
--Shirt58 (talk) 10:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

All fixed. Apologies for the bother! --Shirt58 (talk) 10:16, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Unfair deletion of Soxman

Mr. Shabazz- I awoke this morning to see that the Soxman page I spent countless hours creating was again deleted with no explanation whatsoever. After reading your guidlines, I honestly can still not understand why this was deleted. I created a new article on the subject matter with references, links to prove the legitamacy of the person, etc, I also posted an arguement and contested when the speedy deletion nomination was put forward and I received no explantion in return. I'm really not sure what more I need to do here. I have links to the person's work, links to three major television programs the person has been on, a link to him on, and links to proove his writing for the Chicago Tribune Rede Eye. Can you please offer me some level of guidance why this is takig place? I even viewed similar profiles comparable to Soxman. Please check Ronnie Woo Wooand Andy the Clownto see my point. Ronnie Woo Woo was in one of the references with this guy for peats sake. The speedy deletion request told admins to at least check the links and I CANNOT understand why this would be deleted after I followed all the rules. Thanks sportsbankSportsbank (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Mr. Shabazz. I don't understand how the article can be delted without a review of the links I provided. The links provided contained several verifiable instances that Soxman is notable. It included several of his works for the Chicago Tribune Red Eye, links to video of his appearences on WGN, WCIU and an article that was written on him for NBC. These are major media outlets in the Chicagoland area. In addition, he was on How can Ronnie Woo Woo be allowed to have a notable page and this submission not? I appreciate you are completing a review, but I truly don't know how much more established this can be. Did you review the links to agree notability? According to the link you sent me, A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject. I sourced 6 different pieces and the external links are to major television and media outlets. I don't know for a local celb how much better you can get. Thanks for any consideration you can offer. sportsbankSportsbank (talk) 23:26, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Islamization of Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation

Hi Malik, can you take a look at Islamization of Jerusalem under Jordanian occupation? I've gone through most of the sources and pretty much rewritten the whole thing. Would appreciate any feedback on the article's talk page. ← George talk 15:04, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for taking a look Malik. I've tried to improve the article as much as I can given the sources. I know it still contains synthesis (the whole bit about Jordan feeling a spiritual connection with Jerusalem definitely implies a relationship to "Islamization" that some of those sources don't make), but I don't really know of any good way to get rid of that without retitling the article or hacking it to pieces. We'll see how it goes. Thanks again. ← George talk 08:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Please delete "R.H. Campbell" and "RETURN OF BILLY JACK"

Abbythecat (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)AbbythecatAbbythecat (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC) here. I wrote the "R.H. CAMPBELL" page, as well as the page for "THE RETURN OF BILLY JACK". I agree that BOTH should be deleted at once. I didn't write them correctly and neither are noteworthy. Please accept my apology. I hope you'll delete both. I won't try writing any more articles for Wikipedia. If it matters, I'm a woman in my 80's, so at least I tried. But I obviously can't do this right. So please delete them. Thank you. Abbythecat (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)Abbythecat.Abbythecat (talk) 18:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)Abbythecat (talk) 19:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)PS- I just really like Wikipedia, and when you like something, you want to be a part of it, by joining in with submissions. But I guess it is better I only look at Wikipedia and not try to contribute to it. It's a bit like the moth to the flame -- the moth is attracted to it, but when it gets too close, it burns up and dies. At least I tried. Being a senior citizen, I'm kind of proud I was able to do as much as I did. Most people my age don't even attempt getting on the internet. But, again, my apologies. Abbythecat (talk) 19:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)Abbythecat.Abbythecat (talk) 19:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Image:Deutschland kaput - polish resistance poster.jpg

Could you restore this image? I've added proper rationales you should be able to copy from File:The Third Reich - polish resistance poster, German-occupied Poland, 1943.jpg. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:12, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, done. Could you also do so for File:New European Order.jpg? Thanks. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)


Abbythecat (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)AbbycatAbbythecat (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)Thanks for deleting "R.H. Campbell". Please also delete "THE RETURN OF BILLY JACK" page. As I wrote it, I'm sure it isn't done right, so please delete it (or at least review it and let me know what you think). Everything I submit to Wikipedia gets deleted, so I'm sure at some point someone WILL delete it, so you might as well do it now. Thanks to Teapot George and Orbit as well. Up to you. Thanks again. Best. Abbythecat (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)AbbythecatAbbythecat (talk) 01:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC).

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Request to undelete

Hi Malik - you deleted "Rahul Bhandari" ‎ (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion (CSDH)). G11 CSDH is not applicable since post is Biographies of Living Persons (BLP), consistent with guidelines (NPOV, V and NOR) and consistent with thousands of similar BLP pages. OTRS permission was provided and verified. Request reinstating the page or providing your thinking as to why it violated G11 CSDH or NPOV so much as to require deletion. Your guidance is appreciated. Thanks. Mangopr (talk) 23:20, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Malik - Thanks for your reply. I used several other BLP's as a template to write this BLP so I still don't understand specifically what can be changed in a BLP write-up since it is not written to be exclusively promotional but biographical. Please provide your specific suggestions and reinstate so I can rewrite it per your suggestions. Thanks in advance! Mangopr (talk) 01:23, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Annaka Harris

Why did you remove the article on her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

As the page says, it was deleted as a copyright infringement. The article was copied and pasted from this website. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:21, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

19 Kislev

A dispute has arisen again at the Jewish and Israeli holidays template regarding 19 Kislev: see Template talk:Jewish and Israeli holidays#19 Kislev. Since you expressed an opinion about this before, I thought you might want to know. Jayjg (talk) 02:07, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rahul Bhandari (2nd nomination)

I am writing to let you know that an article you previously deleted, closed the previous AfD on, and restored is on the chopping block again for almost the exact same reasons. Please feel free to weigh in on the discussion. Hasteur (talk) 15:47, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Imperial triple crown jewels

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Imperial triple crown jewels upon Malik Shabazz for your contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Thank you for your majestic contributions to the project! – SMasters (talk) 11:09, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


... for reverting my talk page, but I might keep this revision so that I can respond to him. That Ole' Cheesy Dude (Talk to the hand!) 17:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


Let's say a person made four edits to an article, one after the other. Do you know how to remove all four edits in one undo without doing each individual undo? B-Machine (talk) 18:03, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, it worked. B-Machine (talk) 20:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Digvijay Singh (politician)

Hallo! I posted some stuff on "Digvijaya Singh" which was deleted. I am not from thre BJP! or any political affiliation and would never like to be. But I avidly watch the news and resd three newspapers, have a good general knowledge and current affairs perspective. I believe my views to be true as anyone who follows the news would analyse and draw the same conclusions. Please reconsider as at a time like this( If you are from India and deeply disturbed about corruption and other issues) these views should be aired, so that the truth can come out. Otherwise the politicians make it extremely confusing . The truth I believe is what Wikipedia is for.

Thanking You. Tarun Khanna — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:13, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Recent edits to the article did not comply with Wikipedia's policy concerning biographies of living persons. Consequently, they cannot be restored. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

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Sockpuppets of User:JarlaxleArtemis

If you meet any of these, like Deckfueled (talk · contribs), don't even allow talk page or email access.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

By the way, please also remove the edit summaries of those revisions on that user's talk page that you revdeleted, as well as the edit before.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Got it. Sorry you had to put up with his abuse. Next time I'll block his Talk page access from the start. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:50, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Please also revdelete this, and also, as the user is banned, no email either from the start.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I missed that one somehow. Face-smile.svg — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:01, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey again

Have you seen the recent edit to the African American article? Do you think it should stay after the discussion we had last October about genetics and miscegenation? B-Machine (talk) 17:03, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I disagree. B-Machine (talk) 18:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


Hi Malik, I don't understand who the link to Multiracial Americans and Black Indians isn't important in connection with the section Who's African American. I don't do this as an aggravation just to be clear, those two articles do explain historically on the subject of people with African American ancestry so why are the articles of no relevance?Mcelite (talk) 19:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay.Mcelite (talk) 18:37, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Moment2007-04.png


Thanks for uploading File:Moment2007-04.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude2 (talk) 03:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Women's History Project – Final call for comments on the Scope draft

Our workshop on revising and clarifying the scope of our project has produced a draft outlining our project's scope and criteria for article inclusion. Please join us at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women's History/Scope workshop#Scope draft to discuss this document. There's a separate section beneath it for final comments, which will remain open through Tuesday, June 14th. As Cynwolfe says "with good participation, we should be able to revise our project page soon, clearing up the issues we've been dealing with and preparing us to go on to the fun stuff." As a project supporter, we'd really value your opinion. Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 06:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Jorge Chaminé

Sir: On reading an excellent Wikipedia entry on Aristedes Sousa Mendes my curiosity was piqued about the baritone Jorge Chaminé whose concert at UNESCO in honor of the great humanitarian and diplomat received widespread praise, but I see that the article on Jorge Chaminé has been deleted by yourself. On looking at Jorge Chaminé's website I see that he has a distinguished musical and educational career that has included the founding of an international festival of Argentine music and many positive reviews of his music making in the press. I'd therefore like to know 1. How it is really possible that his Wiki entry was irreparable and had to be deleted. If the authors had failed to demonstrate the singer's importance that is an error that is easily fixable. and 2. I would be very curious to see a list of other subjects that you have, as administrator, deleted from Wikipedia. Sincerely, David Cohen (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

The article I deleted consisted of one sentence: Jorge Chaminé (born 30 April 1956 in Porto, Portugal) is a Portuguese operatic baritone.
If you, or any other editor, would like to start a more substantial article about Jorge Chaminé, please WP:Be bold and do so.
For a list of all the pages I've deleted, see here. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


As someone who has edited the CounterPunch article in the past, you might want to comment on this BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:44, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

About Harriet Tubman

It says on the article she made 13 trips to the southern United States and helped 70 black slaves escape. Is that correct? B-Machine (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

why are people so reaces still

well no1 will ever nobut many y but many people are lik tat because they think they are better — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:05, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

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User:Malik Shabazz, do you intend to explain your restoration of the Haaretz ref to the article? In case you hadn't noticed, there's a dialog on the Discussion page on the matter. The Haaretz article doesn't attribute any statements to Lieberman in relation to B'Tselem. Also, my rewording of the lead corresponds to the passage quoted from the NRG ref, which right now is the only source that's relevant to the article. Please reply at the Discussion page. Thanks.—Biosketch (talk) 05:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Once again, please reply at the article's Discussion page. Your edit summary did not address the issue of the Haaretz article not being a source for the claim being attributed to Lieberman. (Did you read the article?) And the NRG source attributes to Lieberman the claim of financial mismanagement. (Use Google Translate to parse the quote in the citation template if you don't believe me.) But again, it's not constructive to be having this conversation between the two of us when there are other editors involved whom it could benefit.—Biosketch (talk) 10:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Uh oh

But I do think that calling other editor's comments "manure" and then calling another editor a jerk is against decorum (I was blocked for doing wordplay there that used the word "cancer"). Probably don't need to bog down the discussion with that stuff so consider not doing it. This is how those requests get too long.Cptnono (talk) 05:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

back copy of deleted page for A7

Can i have the back copy for 'Legit Reviews' that was deleted for an A7 violation by you back in Feb 2011? I'd like to update it properly.


Nate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sublimed2020 (talkcontribs) 16:16, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Please update your userpage/templates

Category:Wikipedia Featured Article contributors is being moved to Category:Wikipedia featured article contributors. It has not been possible to move your userpage as the relevant template cannot be located. Please can you make the necessary amendment yourself. TIA. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Revdelete please

If you're going to revdelete things from that article talk page, would you do this too?Jasper Deng (talk) 03:18, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

And this too?Jasper Deng (talk) 03:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

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Your opinion

Hi Malik, I'd like to learn your opinion on one of my thought about reducing the ammount of drama. If you are to respond, may I please ask you to respond here, at your talk page to keep it in the same place? So here's what I think. If user A feels as he/she is hounded and/or lied about by user B, user A could notify user B that from now on they are having an interaction ban. User B automaticly should comply. This interaction ban will not prevent the users from reverting one another, from commenting in the same threads, and even from starting AN/I or AE request, but this ban will prevent both users from commenting on each other in the threads started by a third party, posting to each other talk pages. Also the users cannot comment on each other on AfD, articles talk page and so on. IMO editing process will not suffer from this, and community in whole will benefit. For example, if this proposal were adopted I would not have asked for such bans with Nab, Tiamut, Sean, SD and 99.99% of other users editing on the other side of the topic, but I would have asked for such ban with a few users (you know who I am talking about). Administrators should be exampt from such bans. So what do you think? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 00:17, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mbz,
That sounds like a good idea. Of course it relies on people acting like mature adults, which sometimes seems to be missing around here.
I'm not sure where the best place is to discuss your proposal with other editors, maybe at WP:Village pump (proposals)? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:08, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, Malik. The interaction ban I am talking about (I mean with no admins involved) worked just fine for me. Once Nick suggested this ban to me and to an user I had problems to interact with. Both the user and me agreed with Nick's proposal, and never ever violated it. I am very grateful to both Nick for suggesting, and the user for accepting it.
About village pump,it is a good idea, but not for me to implement.I am being wikihounded to death, Malik. As soon as I am putting my head up, I am being attacked. I'd better stay in a relative safety of your talk page :-) Cheers.--Mbz1 (talk) 02:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Your reversion at Black people

I think I was the target of the comment you just removed from Black people. I don't object to your reversion, but I was busily think up some clever response. You beat me to it. I actually found it quite amusing. My Scottish and French ancestry hasn't left me very black at all! HiLo48 (talk) 02:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for your message, it was much appreciated. Magister Scienta (talk) 04:30, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Stray Text

Oh, my bad. Thanks for catching the stray text! Apostle12 (talk) 08:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Number of countries that recognise a State of Palestine

Heya, I don't remember where it was that there was a question over how many countries recognise it, but I found a source saying 115, and it was a named PA fellow. [2] You wouldn't happen to remember, would you? Face-smile.svg !גם, שלום מישראל Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 17:00, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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Request to unprotection of article creation

Hi! I noticed that the article Meekakitty seems to be protected for over a year now. The last admin to touch the article has retired and you were the one before him, so I'm coming to you with my concern. Meekakitty is the name of a youtube personality and all prior articles seemed to have lacked sources. Times have changed and big youtube personalities like Ray William Johnson, etc., are now accepted as articles on wikipedia, partly because of the now multiple avaliable sources outside youtube. I have undertaken a research on sources about Meekakitty and found so many that I think it would be enough to start a new article about her (Tessa Violet), which I would gladly do. Here are some facts and links I found:

I hope of beeing able to convince you to unlock/unprotect the article create of Meekakitty so I can create a deserved article about her... greetings, ColdCase (talk) 22:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Abuse of your administrative tools

Why are you deliberately abusing your administrator powers by censoring information that disputes libel about Jews and making up lies that is "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not censoring information—I'm removing personal attacks. It's your inability to distinguish the two that got you blocked. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:59, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Elvis Presley

I have some problems with some of the other editors of the Elvis Presley article.

Some weeks ago another user was of the opinion that Elvis's personal development must have been governed by some form of Jewish tradition, and this would have considerable relevance for the singer's biography. Therefore, I did some further research and found the following material being published in books on Elvis:

"Elvis' confusion and secrecy about Judaism came from his upbringing. When he was quite young Gladys told him that her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell, was Jewish." See Larry Geller, If I Can Dream: Elvis' Own Story (1989), p.69-70.
Martha "was the daughter of Abner and Nancy J. Burdine Tackett and ... Nancy is of particular interest to us. According to Elvis' third cousin Oscar Tackett (who shared the same ancestors, Abner and Nancy), Nancy was Jewish. ... Again, names often tell a story and two of Martha's brothers were given Jewish names, Sidney and Jerome." See Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys (2004), p.21.
"Geller claims in his book [If I Can Dream: Elvis' Own Story] that Gladys told Elvis she had Jewish ancestors, starting with her maternal grandmother, Martha Tackett Mansell. Which is pretty close to what Elaine Dundy says in her book." See Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995), p.2-3.
"Elvis's identification with the Jews continued once he became a star. When the Jewish Community Center was built in Memphis during the 1960s, he donated money for its construction. He had a Star of David engraved onto Gladys's tombstone, and often wore a Chai, the Jewish symbol for life, on a necklace." See Glen Jeansonne, David Luhrssen, Dan Sokolovic, Elvis Presley, Reluctant Rebel: His Life and Our Times (2011), p.31.

Therefore, I think a short notice should be included in the Elvis article which on the one hand says that Elvis did not practice the Jewish religion, but on the other hand mentions his identification with the Jews. What about this well-sourced paragraph:

Although he did not practice the Jewish religion, some friends and biographers say that Elvis had not only Christian but also Jewish family roots, because of his maternal grandmother's Jewish heritage.[1] He was known to wear both a cross and a Star of David around his neck, explaining that he "wouldn't want to be kept out of Heaven on a technicality."[2] He also wore a Chai, the Jewish symbol for life, on a necklace. According to Glen Jeansonne, David Luhrssen and Dan Sokolovic, "Elvis's identification with the Jews" continued throughout his life. He had the Star of David engraved onto his mother's tombstone, and when the Jewish Community Center was built in Memphis during the 1960s, he donated money for its construction.[3]

All this is well sourced and not an example of WP:SYN, as one of the other users has falsely claimed. Wikipedia cites what the sources say, the reader is well informed about the topic. What do you think? Onefortyone (talk) 01:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Rev. King and communism

I read your edit summary on MLK's page regarding his quote on communism and I also read the link you put there. IMHO this primary source should be used as the rule page did not say no primary source whatsoever should be used, and in this case a quote directly from a book by MLK says the best about MLK's opinion than anything else. I also posted an inquiry on MLK's talk page, and you are welcome to put your thoughts and comments there. Regards! Wandering Courier (talk) 18:11, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Matampay United resubmitted for speedy deletion

Hi there, I saw what you did to Matampay United when was submitted for deletion earlier. However, a user Banana Fingers has proposed again for deletion for the second time. Is it fine to proposed again and again though an administrator like yourself has decided a case for instance. Thanks. --Rammaum 19:47, 3 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rammaum (talkcontribs)


(edit conflict) While you are at it, you could try to delete all the pages I helped create... Thanks for attacking pages I have worked on... you have succeeded with Brininstool, Kerwin and Lynch and Par Excellence Award between Mtking and Malik Shabazz, but why stop there with undescriminant harrassment, i also worked on Gordon Gill Adrian Smith (architect) Adrian Smith + Gordon Gill Architecture. Or did you think I would not notice that you make comments and then go to town on my additions to wikipedia. Brad Wilkins (talk) 04:46, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of 'Voiceprint Records'

At 10.15 pm last night (local time), after I'd gone to bed, a note was placed on my talk page, saying that Voiceprint Records had been nominated for speedy deletion. At 5.18 this morning, while I was still asleep, the article, which I created, was deleted (by you), giving me no time to contest the deletion (I wish to do so) or improve the article (which I'm prepared to do), which I originally created. We're not talking about blatant nonsense or spam, nor personal abuse or other such inappropriate content, so - while I have no doubt that you acted in good faith - there was no need for such haste. Please kindly restore the article, so that it may be improved and/ or proposed for deletion in the usual way. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 10:34, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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Freedom Flotilla II

"Disputed Hamas administration" refers to the dispute within Palestinian society; the Fatah-PLO-PNA side has never accepted the administration as legitimate. Whether Hamas won free and fair elections is totally irrelevant in this context, since the elections were for the Palestinian Parliament, not for administration of the Gaza Strip, and in any case their term has long expired. I think we can reach a wording acceptable to both of us. Best, Jalapenos do exist (talk) 01:11, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


To Mister Shabaz

Stick to the point I'm Fidel Azazi from Lebanon I tried to write a page about a Very promising singer a 14 year old Camelia Crisan i tried to write about her twice but both pages are deleted so please her two singles hits 70,000 views I provided references but please help me write one thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fidelove (talkcontribs) 20:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Affirmative action

Good edit of yours. Sorry, I must have been very sleepy, not even to have noticed what the title of the article was. -- Hoary (talk) 04:28, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Facial (sex act)

You just made a malicious edit. That is usually considered vandalism. I assume you were trying to make a point. Although I find it cute, continuing to do so without actually looking at the talk page discussion on it will result in all sorts of boo hooing. You have almost single handedly kicked off an edit war over something stupid (note the edit summaries reverting you) I will continue to revert malicious edits. I can only assume that this is all in good fun and you will refrain from continuing. Go ahead and mention it on talk after you look into it more. Cptnono (talk) 05:55, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Explain it at the new ANI thread then. Cptnono (talk) 06:05, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Whatever is the argument of someone who knows they are wrong. I am kind of shocked that you would edit war over something so dumb and intentionally disrupt an article. We have not always had the best rapport but then it got better. And now it is poor again. Sucks, dude. Hopefully it is just an off night for you since and admin who has edited in a contentious topic are pretty straightly shouldn't be looking to form vendettas. Talk to you in a couple days on more positive notes I hope. Cptnono (talk) 06:12, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
You will walk. Just like every other game player here does. Shame we cannot discuss in a civil manner anymore (well you might but I won't). You were right: Whatever is the key. I am off to be as disruptive as you now.Cptnono (talk) 06:50, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I did assume that was what it was. Looks like I was wrong to a certain extent. Would you have edit warred with another editor if you did not have spite for them? And if you have not responded to the archive discussion by now then you never will. There was good reason for that one stupid word. You know it even if you won't admit it.Cptnono (talk) 07:09, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
The things you people find to argue about. FWIW I do think that the presence or absence of a smile is more relevant in the discussion of feminist analyses than is hair colour. However, as it is a drawing, the presence or absence of a smile says a lot more about the artist's intentions than what women participant's view may be.--Peter cohen (talk) 09:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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See you are in some kind of controversy, not a full-time Wikipedia person, but my only experience of your approach (very limited and there's much on which we'd disagree IMHO) is good. On Bob B's article (Abolition of ...), a derivative thing in the first place.Borgmcklorg (talk) 10:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

The Approach Eddie Quinn

Hi, I dont understand why you have deleted me off Wikipedia? I was simply editing the material that was kindly put on there by a friend who wanted to help. After been stabbed and nearly losing my life as an 18 year old boy,i have dedicated the last 26 years of my life to study martial arts, The Approach is the outcome of that hard work. Please do not delete me from wikipedia. Best always, Eddie (talk) 23:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)


Thank you for deleting my subpages! :) I like to clean them up every month or so. :) nding·start 05:24, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by that? nding·start 05:54, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh yes. I actually had moved them all to separate pages. The bot had been messing up on me, so I decided that I will do them all manually. Yeah, that'd be great if you could just delete all those. :) I'm going a bit crazy, but I like to be organized. xD nding·start 05:58, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Thank you again so much! I think I'm done now. xD nding·start 06:10, 16 July 2011 (UTC)


Wow, you are deleting those pages as fast as I can find them. Thanks, that is what I like to call speedy deletion. Ryan Vesey contribs 05:25, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

I usually try to give editors an hour or so to fix their articles before I delete them, but I don't see any reason to wait if the article is hopelessly flawed (COPYVIO, vandalism, etc.). — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:33, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Akshata Sen

An article deleted by you (speedy delete requested by me) is recreated again in minutes. Please take the necessary action (not sure how admins can stop the recreation of deleted articles). Also please close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akshata Sen. --Redtigerxyz Talk 06:35, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Digvijay Singh (politician)

mr shabazz you did not read complete article posted of which i mentioned in early life part of the article. where it was stated that he was a better hindu and followed hinduism better then RSS. so it should not be deleted, atleast. you can write unknown in pplace of religion if you think that blog is not good source of information. mere a persons name is like hindu doesnot mean that he is practising hinduism. surname is not indicative of caste a bombay high court rulling is there. so better you write there unnkown or disputed but donot bring article to old unrefined stage. other wise every time we will be doing changes. think towards nutrality of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ind knight (talkcontribs) 06:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

the line under criticism i read it. now ok.
but what about hinduism. if you talk about authentic reference then there should be a authentic reference to religion part of article.
if it is not there, and person himself has stated in interview that he was .. was a better hindu simmply means he is not practising hinduism now. so kidly remove this religion part at all or put unknown.
i have already told you that Bomaby high court rulling states that surname is not indicsative of caste/religion in india.
refer 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ind knight (talkcontribs) 07:13, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for executing the move on Real-time ridesharing! MakeBelieveMonster (talk) 13:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hi, I asked for a review of an "edit filter" issue, and checked another review request to get a feeling for what is going on. EnhancedCreative tried to leave a message on this page, and failed. Maybe that is as it should be, or maybe you were not aware of it, in both cases you could add a comment for the review if you feel like it. Yes, I read your SD subpage, nothing is wrong with it, but it doesn't mention Special:AbuseFilter/294. – (talk) 11:29, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Access to this page may be limited for some new users and IPs because of vandalism. Also, some content may trigger the filter. Users who can't leave a message here are welcome to post here instead. I'll leave a message for User:EnhancedCreative. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:47, 17 July 2011 (UTC)


Malik Shabazz,
Seeing as you are active in a sensitive topic area, and
Seeing as you have been a Wikipedia Admin for one year and eighteen months,
Please note that I find the following diffs to be unbecoming of any editor on Wikipedia but particularly one in your position:

  1. 6 July, in which you accused your fellow Wikipedia Admins of lacking testicles and/or of being cowards.
  2. 1 July, in which you used provocative sarcasm in order to taunt another Wikipedia editor.
  3. 24 June, in which you accused another Wikipedia editor of having been warned countless times about WP:CV when in fact your warning was the first he ever received.
  4. 19 June, in which you described a new Wikipedia editor's first and arguably good-faithed edit as vandalism.
  5. 19 June, in which you referred to another Wikipedia editor as a jerk.
  6. 15 June, in which you accused me on my Talk page of writing "mealy-mouthed double-talk," despite being asked to engage in an article's Discussion page and despite my edit being a good-faithed representation of a cited source.
  7. 15 June, in which you reinserted a source that was shown not to support a claim being made in an article and summarized your reinsertion as "undo whitewash."

I note also that an article with which you were recently involved was protected yesterday for a period of one week on account of pointy editing on your part there.

I earnestly hope that you will reflect on your behavior in these incidents, tone down your rhetoric, be collaborative and not combative, and make more of an attempt to assume good faith toward other Wikipedia contributors.—Biosketch (talk) 06:11, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi Malik, without digging into the context of every diff above, I certainly find two of these examples stepping beyond robust debate into uncivil language that I find surprising for an Administrator. Do you have any response to Biosketch's comments? Thanks (talk) 07:52, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
That is one misrepresentation after another. Let's actually look at the facts here:
  1. The diff cited is of Malik saying I'm not looking for blood, I'm looking for an acknowledgement from somebody, anybody, that likening other editors to terrorists is not acceptable behavior. The silence is deafening. An earlier edit he made to that discussion was his saying I can't believe that none of you has the balls to do it., which is where I am guessing Biosketch got the idea that Malik was accusing others of "lacking testicles". That is an absurd accusation to make, "doesnt have the balls" is a common colloquialism that does not mean one "lacks testicles".
  2. Sarcasm isnt allowed? On user talk pages? Nuh uh, really?
  3. That is the standard {{uw-copyright}} warning, and he does not accuse the editor of "having been warned countless times about WP:CV". There is a standard template and nothing else, to say otherwise is to mislead
  4. The intentional blanking of sourced content without any reason is vandalism. Or, if it isnt, then neither are the edits removing "Jerusalem" as capital of Israel which are routinely reverted as vandalism (possibly once or twice by Malik, though I cant be bothered to look)
  5. I was going to type a response here, but decided it would be better if I did not
  6. So Malik is not allowed to comment on the quality of your edit now? I was under the impression that you you felt otherwise, that comments about others edits that are "peripherally about" an editor were acceptable. Color me confused.
  7. Your position that the source does not back the content is not exactly undisputed, now is it?
nableezy - 13:49, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Nab's reading of these diffs. This complaint from Biosketch, a committed Israel-Palestine POV warrior, simply seeks disparage the actions of an admin that Biosketch regards as too neutral on his pet position. re diff 5; Being familiar with Malik's actions in past, I'm guessing that if he suggested anyone was acting like a "jerk" it was probably an understatement.
@Biosketch - If you think there is a really some substance to your complaint, there are more appropriate forums where you can get real action. Otherwise, quit biting at Malik's ankles. NickCT (talk) 16:10, 12 July 2011 (UTC) Note: Bio appears to be upset I didn't provide evidence for my "POV" comment above. Anyone wanting "evidence" might want to examine Bio's contrib history. NickCT (talk) 11:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Biosketch, stop being an ass. In most cases, you're lying my omission—taking my comments out of context to make them seem provocative when they weren't.

  1. I stand by my assertion that the uninvolved admins at A/E lacked the balls to block Jiujitsuguy. Not one of the targets of my remark has complained, but thank you for looking out for them.
  2. Since when is it wrong to show Wiki-love to other editors?
  3. Adjust your reading glasses and read User talk:Soosim (now archived). You will find that there are four or five notifications on the page before the message you describe as "the first [warning] he ever received".
  4. I don't care whether an edit is an editor's first or hundredth; if it's vandalism, it gets labelled as vandalism.
  5. Maybe you should visit the eye doctor. I was responding to Cptnono's comment in the preceding paragraph, in which Cptnono used the word "jerk". Trust me, I would have used a much stronger word to describe AgadaUrbanit's behavior.
  6. You were engaged in "mealy-mouthed double-talk" and whitewashing the truth about Lieberman's attack of B'Tselem.
  7. Your edit, which I reverted in part, was a "whitewash" of the truth about Lieberman.

Please let me know when you're finished reviewing my edit history from May, so we can discuss those edits. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:50, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Fæ, let me give you a brief summary of the context: Biosketch and I don't see eye-to-eye about Israel and Palestine. 'Nuff said? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:55, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Our styles and expectations differ with regard to WP:5P (esp. "Respect and be polite to your fellow Wikipedians"). As an administrator I feel I need to be seen to be complying with that principle and so I would aim never to label another editor a jerk in a discussion or say that a group of Wikipedians lacked balls as both these comments appear inflammatory and about the person rather than their actions. That's me, I don't expect other Admins to fully agree with my conservative interpretation. A pattern of disrespectful behaviour and rudeness would have to be long term and extreme before it became any more than a mild tut and seen as part of robust debate; I don't see that from the examples given and as there is only one complainant here there is no reason to look further. Cheers (talk) 05:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
You overreached a little, Biosketch. I see the following as problematic especially for an admin
  • number 2 was insulting and obnoxious. Not devastating but not OK from an admin he typically disagrees with. (note that it took at least one request for him to not comment as an uninvolved admin in the topic area at AE based on things like this)
  • number 4 was simply editing in bad faith. The editor probably was attempting to be malicious but if anyone should be holding newbies hands it is an admin.
  • number 5 isn't that bad However, and of way more concern concern was the edit in the same conversation where he said my comment was "a load of manure" I suppose it is nice that he didn't say "bullshit" instead is the only defense.
  • number 6 was a completely unnecessary and insulting comment. If he can't word it better he should not be an admin.
  • Regarding the protection: Malik edit warred while making pointy edits:[3](correcting the caption?)[4][5] and knickers in a twist from an admin was a little rude. At least he eventually removed his malicious edit after it was reported.[6]
All of the above is not the end of the world and won't result in the block of any established editor. However, it is completely inappropriate to find this many recent diffs showing a combative style from someone volunteering to be an admin. He should certainly continue to edit but it is time for him to give up the mop and bucket if he does not show an immediate 180.
And to be crystal clear: I do not see eye to eye with Malik. It is a shame because just a few months ago I felt much differently. Calling another editor in this very discussion an "ass" shows enough. It doesn't matter if you disagree with editors in the I-P topic area. You are still supposed to abide by the arbitrations decision (see: decorum) and should be showing more of an ability to converse in a civil manner as an admin or else you are starting too much trouble. Cptnono (talk) 06:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Fæ, I appreciate your involvement and input here. As a general reply to the remarks above, the purpose of my comment was twofold: to give Malik Shabazz the opportunity to offer his perspective on the incidents cited and to request that he make more of an effort to be civil and assume good faith in his interactions with other Wikipedia editors. Those are hardly reasons for people to get into a tizzy and shift attention and blame onto me. My record in the I/P topic area is impeccable, and any attempts to suggest otherwise are both exceedingly dishonest and a patent red herring.

User:Malik Shabazz, per WP:GBU I am encouraged to express my concerns directly to you before taking more serious action. That is your privilege as an Admin and I respect it. I wish that in your capacity as an Admin you would respect that as well and not refer to me as an ass for following a recommended procedure and trying to engage in dialog with you. Understand this: it is sufficient to respond to an editor's comments without making insults. If you will take that message to heart, my discussion with you will have served its purpose. If not, it will only prompt me and others to look for alternative ways to resolve the perceived problem in your regard.

Beyond that, I have no intention of turning this into a debate about diffs. Malik Shabazz explained his conduct per my request. At least for the time being, I consider this matter resolved.—Biosketch (talk) 06:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I am responding here instead of my talk page, Biosketch. I do not know much of the RFU process and know even less about recalling an admin (since it is intentionally obtuse). But you are right about one thing: "I am encouraged to express my concerns directly to you before taking more serious action." MS has spit in your face by calling you an ass. There is a case against him. So what is up, MS? Do you want us to open and RFU? I am willing to jump through the hoops. The way I look at it: 1) You were asked to not. 2) You called him an "ass". 3) We open an RFU. 4) You get away with it but are given 6 months to not be rude. 7) you are stripped of your adminship if you do not comply.
Sound like a plan? Conversely, Biosketch or I can open up an AE for you breaking decorum multiple times (which is much stricter in the topic area then the rest of the project for a reason). There will surely be a boomerang and the requester will also get spanked but it would be worth it to see you blocked since you have been so combative.
So your call. Whichever you prefer. The former gives you time to prove us wrong even though you do not deserve it. Cptnono (talk) 05:11, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Cptnono, only you know which course of action is best for you. Ditto for Biosketch. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:41, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Man you are one cool cucumber Malik. Remember when I sent you that civility barnstar all that time back? 100% deserved. NickCT (talk) 18:08, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee can ask for an administrator's permissions to be removed. However, they will generally not accept a case unless other methods of dispute resolution have been attempted. We have gone to ANI. You have been asked. You have done nothing but show a middle finger. Do you stand behind your previous comments or should we assume you were baited? Can you admit any wrong? If not, this is the fourth request to not be a dick. There will not be a fifth (and it is retarded that we even have to seek that many)Cptnono (talk) 09:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry that some of my behavior may have been uncivil. I'm especially sorry that you feel I have "show[n you] a middle finger". As I wrote, you should proceed as you see fit. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:42, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Very well. Will you be striking out the uncivil comments, or would you rather I apply my own discretion and do so myself?—Biosketch (talk) 05:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


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How DO you ask for protection for I Have a DreamMike28968 (talk) 19:13, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

You add the request to WP:Requests for page protection, but for this particular article I don't see a pressing need for protection. Favonian (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I agree. There hasn't been any vandalism recently. Is there something that concerns you? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:50, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

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Old Testament

If you have the time and inclination, you might like to check out the references, make sure that the various sources actually say what I say they say. PiCo (talk) 04:52, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the support. I'm trying to be dispassionate and accurate, but it's not easy. PiCo (talk) 05:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

My talk page

You may want to go settle the argument there.Jasper Deng (talk) 22:38, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Warning templates

I do challenge you on that one. Do not slam these templates on long term good faith editors talk pages. IQinn (talk) 23:23, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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How is that vandalism? Vatican City is in Category:Theocracies, so are Islamic states. I don't see why Israel shouldn't be there. --XXPowerMexicoXx (talk) 20:48, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Panther Chapters

Re: your recent edit and comment, I think it would be useful to include a section that includes a truly comprehensive list of Panther chapters. With regard to the South, it might also be useful to mention the relevance of National Committee to Combat Fascism (NCCF) chapters, as detailed by scholar Curtis Austin in the "Southern Discomfort:.." chapter of his book. Apostle12 (talk) 08:00, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

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  1. ^ See Larry Geller, If I Can Dream: Elvis' Own Story (1989), p. 69-70. Elaine Dundy, Elvis and Gladys (2004), p.21. Alanna Nash, Elvis Aaron Presley: Revelations from the Memphis Mafia (1995), p.2-3.
  2. ^ See Albert Goldman, Elvis (1981), p.578.
  3. ^ See Glen Jeansonne, David Luhrssen, Dan Sokolovic, Elvis Presley, Reluctant Rebel: His Life and Our Times (2011), p.31.