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Hello, I noticed that you deleted Talk:Timmy96. It appears that Timmy96 (talk · contribs) moved his user page into article space [1] sometime before you deleted it. The user now appears to want his user talk page deleted, despite several users telling him that it won't be. The question I have for you is, what was on the Talk:Timmy96 page when you deleted it, or is there any lengthy history behind it? I don't see any indication of other misconduct by this user, but I can't help but wonder if this was an attempt to hide user warnings. Any light you could shed on this would be appreciated. Thanks. —KuyaBriBriTalk 20:12, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

When I deleted it, I thought Talk:Timmy96 was the same as User talk:Timmy96. I see now that it wasn't and I shouldn't have deleted it. It has a welcome message, four disambiguation bot notifications, and a speedy deletion notification concerning Timmy96. There is a single warning message, for adding unsupported information to a BLP (Herita Ilunga) dated April 3.
I'll fix the deletion and restore the edits to User talk:Timmy96. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:30, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Talk:OLT Express‎

You reverted my edit and now there are two talk pages for one article page: Talk:OLT express‎ and Talk:OLT Express‎. Could you please delete one of them? --igor_alexandrov (talk) 18:49, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing it out. I've fixed it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:55, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


I recently made an article on the ANI that concerns racism, the article we have been discussing, and you personally. Leaf Green Warrior (talk) 21:57, 24 April 2012 (UTC)


I wonder if you'd be interested in reading and reviewing this article? It is not mine, but I just don't feel competent to judge its neutrality, particularly the likely pro-Polish bias. I was thinking of posting it to WT:POLAND, but after second thought, I realized you are the only person who does the reviews, and who is also most likely to be neutral. If you are not interested in this, feel free to decline, of course. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 19:09, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I am in fact going to fail the article for insufficient citations, but if you'd like to comment on neutrality, it would still be appreciated. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 20:30, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
I'd say on the article's page, they should be more visible there. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 14:43, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Das Whippet Meister

This product does exist, please do not delete the article. Here is some information on it.

The whippet meister is a device foro removing sulfur dioxide from nitrous oxide. It utilizes a C2A1 military gas mask filter. These filters are designed to remove sulfur dioxide from the air. It works via activated charcoal and repeating layers of acidic and basic material as well as a micron filter. these filters are designed to remove nuclear, biological and chemical warfare agents including sarin nerve gas.

Nitrous oxide is usually cleaned of sulfur dioxide by bubbling it through large amounts of sodium hydroxide in an aqueous solution. I posted references to this method which has been in use by many people for at least 20 years for this purpose. The meister is simply the next generation product. It works, i can atest to that as i own one and have used it on denatured nitrous oxide time and time again. the resulting gas has also been tested via gas chromatography. i assure you it exist. you have not heard of it because it is a new product.

Please do not delete this article. many many people will find it very helpful. Im going to go repost the article now. please, if you still have problems with the article write something on the talk page, dont just delete it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisgedwards (talkcontribs) 03:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Based on the "references" you provided the first two times you created the article, I think it's reasonable to conclude (a) the product doesn't exist or (b) if it exists, it's not notable. I don't think it would be wise to create a third article about this item until you can find sources that actually confirm its existence. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:42, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your concerns regarding articles about items that do not exist. wikipedia must only contain articles regarding things tat actually exist. I have posted a picture of the item. I have also posted references to the chemistry, the filter that is used as well as a site with people discussing the purification of automotive grade nitrous. The brochure that came with the product when i bought it listed the web site, however it appears to be a new web site. I will contact the creator of the product to attempt to acquire more direct information that will prove its existence.

for now i truly feel that what i have posted including a picture of the product itself makes it much more likly than not that this product is real. I really have no interest in spending so much time recreating an article and arguing for it if the product it discusses is a mere fantasy. Please leave the page up and i will acquire more information regarding the product. The email address given in the product brochure is

Please be understanding, this product does exist and many people will find it very interesting. give it a few days to prove itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisgedwards (talkcontribs) 04:03, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Planes, Trains and Cars

Well, it is a redirect, but it redirects from an episode title to a season article for a show without specifying the show in the episode title, which is usually not the norm, and I think that's really necessary given the obvious title allusion to the film Planes, Trains and Automobiles. I think, therefore, that it is not plausible, so can you maybe take a look at that again given this information? MSJapan (talk) 04:11, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

The episode will air next week and I have no doubt somebody will write an article about it by then. In the meantime, the episode title redirects to the season. It's not a big deal. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)


Thank you for helping with the move. Much appreciated. :)

Overmage (talk) 07:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Face-smile.svg — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:02, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Need your help.

Hi, You recently removed a "Proposed Deletion" tag on Patient J. The same editor has put a "Proposed Deletion" on another article of mine: Kevin Porter. Kevin Porter is an actor, director and producer. Could you please review this. Also two other articles: Griffin Gluck and Alejandro Felipe have the same tag for the reason of WP:ACTOR. Alejandro Felipe has starred in 50+ episodes of a TV series, plus other shows. Griffin Gluck has starred in TV shows such as Private Practice and United Staes of Tara, and Just Go With It, which features Adam Sandler and Jennifer Aniston. Could you please review these as well. Thanks --Mjs1991 (talk) 09:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

I removed the PROD tag from Patient J because the article had previously been discussed at AfD and therefore a new AfD is required for deletion. That situation does not appear to apply to the other articles you mention.
However, any editor may remove a PROD tag from an article, even the editor who created the article. (This is different from speedy deletion, where the article's creator may not remove the CSD tag.) If you believe any of the articles in question satisfy WP:NACTOR or WP:ANYBIO, feel free to remove the PROD tag yourself. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:18, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Freedom edit by Mediaminddigital

Hi Malik,

I am new to editing wikipedia and only started because I saw some omissions and shortcomings. Thanks for taking the time to look over my edit to the Freedom disambiguation page. This should be a full page not a disambiguation page. Freedom is well defined in the sciences and common usage. The controversies in philosophy should not be the sole content. I tried to remedy that but obviously did not do it correctly. I am at a loss now what to do to fix the clarification of this critical concept.

Craig — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediaminddigital (talkcontribs) 16:46, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello Craig. I'm not sure that freedom has philosophical meanings that aren't already listed at the disambiguation page, namely free will, liberty, and economic and political freedom. If you think the subject of "freedom in philosophy" merits an article, maybe you should draft one. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:00, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

ElliotJoyce attack

I looked at my watchlist and a user called ElliotJoyce has been systematically going through all my edits and reverting them on politically sensitive pages. I see you've had dealings, too...Ackees (talk) 14:09, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, it looks like he's been WP:WIKIHOUNDing you. You may want to ask him to stop. If it continues, consider asking an uninvolved administrator to tell him to stop, or try WP:Dispute resolution. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 14:19, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, I've asked them to stop, and have reported them. But, somehow I think this is going to last... Ackees (talk) 14:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
If you observe the reverts I have made regarding Mr. Ackees, you will see that his edits are biased, mostly anti-European wording that damages the neutrality of the articles in question. My edits are not for the purposes of harassment, but rather for correction. One example is the African Slave Trade article, where Mr. Ackees persistently changed the information presented to read the opposite of what the source said. He has committed similar purposeful distortions on other articles, and if push comes to shove, I will defend the neutrality of the articles over Mr. Ackees unjustified input. Thank you. ElliotJoyce (talk) 18:18, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your input. Your own Euro-supremacist biases are so obvious that everybody can see them but you.
Ackees' edits appear to be a particular target of yours. Please stop WIKIHOUNDing Ackees, as she/he has asked you, or the matter will be referred elsewhere. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Euro-supremacist? And how exactly is that, Mr. Shabazz? Your accusation here is tantamount to racism, and I am having difficulty finding where I have engaged in behavior warranting such an accusation or anything approximate to it. Mr. Ackees' edits, as well as some of your own, reflect a stark anti-Europeanism that does not accord to either neutrality or source. It seems like you're attempting to cover for either yourself or Mr. Ackees by portraying me as a "Euro-supremacist", when in fact, if you observe the history of my edits, they are an attempt to correct the information per the sources provided and to instill a greater, not a lesser, neutral point of view. For example, your history on the African Slave Trade page and the Atlantic Slave Trade page marks your bias quiet well- you completely overlooked the unsourced anti-European information, while denigrating the sourced pro-European information. On top of this, the pages you cited for Mr. Williams' Slavery and Capitalism do not justify the information appearing in the article regarding Mr. Williams. And I am the "supremacist"? Right....ElliotJoyce (talk) 19:05, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Read your own edit summaries. As far as Williams is concerned, I will respond at Talk:African slave trade after you're blocked for WP:3RR. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:07, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I am well aware of my own summaries- they are efforts to correct the bias that the user Ackees has been subtly perpetrating across a slew of articles. I am in the process of reporting Ackees for a directed personal attack against me (calling me a neo-nazi). ElliotJoyce (talk) 23:47, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of the article Samad Ali Changezi

The article Samad Ali Changezi was deleted, reason was (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject (CSDH)). The person is a national hero of Pakistan and his death was named as the Supreme Sacrifice [here]. He was one of the members of No. 9 Squadron (Pakistan Air Force), the fist fighter squadron of Pakistan Air Force. He was awarded Sitara-e-Jurat the third highest military of award of Pakistan[here]. Last but not the least, he belonged to the ethnic minority group known as Hazara people. His death made his ethnicity known in the country and he is among the heroes of Hazara people in Pakistan. Therefore, I believe the article should be restored. Hazara Birar (Talk) 07:36, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

You wrote nearly five times more here about Samad Ali Changezi than you did in the article I deleted. I've restored the article. Please add this information to the article (with appropriate sources) or it may be nominated for deletion by another editor. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:08, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I've added in the data with sources, but there's a fatal flaw. I am unable to find a proper source for this: "His death made his ethnicity known in the country and he is among the heroes of Hazara people in Pakistan." There is little mention, if at all, of him beyond his medal recipiency. Added a notability tag (not a deletion one) until that can be reliably sourced. By the way, there are several other persons in the Hazara group of wiki articles who do not even have a medal to their name (verified by my searches online) - I have begun tagging them as such (unless someone can provide verified sources of them doing something more or having more media coverage). Overmage (talk) 00:57, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Request fo admin action

Uncontroversal, I am pretty sure: can you delete the redirect Battle of Włodzimierz? It should be red per WP:RED, not point to a disambig with nothing relevant on it but a location. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 17:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Creeping Fascism

Why was this page deleted? It directly relates to the increasingly oppressive atmosphere in the US. Can you please explain it is very relevant content.

April 27, 2012 -Carl — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:48, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

An article consisting solely of a photo of The Doors and the statement "You're all a bunch of slaves!" is not "very relevant content". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:59, 28 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi Malik Shabazz, I created a short BLP on historian Antony Polonsky. An editor has tagged this article as "multiple issues" including COI and WP:Peacock. I’ve tried to discuss the issue with editor Poeticbent, and I would be interested to hear the opinion of other editors on the Polonsky Talk page. Thanks, Mick gold (talk) 16:04, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi. I'll take a look at the article during the next few days and leave some comments on its Talk page. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Source query

This appears to corroborate the Paul Holmes article, and I would like your views as to the suitability of the source.
Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 22:16, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

It's published by a vanity press, which makes it a self-published source. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Another admin request

There is probably a speedy for that, but I cannot recall which one, and it was made annoyingly complex recently. Could you delete File:Stanisław August Poniatowski.jpg, it seems a resize of commons:File:August Poniatowski.jpg, and blocks the use of commons:File:Stanisław August Poniatowski.jpg on en wiki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:20, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

An article you deleted is up and running again

Liudvikas Jakavicius - Grimalauskas.

  • 15:15, 29 April 2012 Malik Shabazz (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:Liudvikas Jakavicius - Grimalauskas (G8: Talk page of a deleted or nonexistent page (TW))

--Shirt58 (talk) 10:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

* 11:16, 30 April 2012 RHaworth (talk | contribs) deleted page Liudvikas Jakavicius - Grimalauskas (G7: One author who has requested deletion or blanked the page)
* 00:23, 30 April 2012 Y (talk | contribs) deleted page Liudvikas Jakavicius - Grimalauskas (A7: No explanation of the subject's significance (real person, animal, organization, or web content))
* 15:05, 29 April 2012 Y (talk | contribs) deleted page Liudvikas Jakavicius - Grimalauskas (A7: Article about a real person, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject)
Resolved. --Shirt58 (talk) 12:10, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


Can you show me where this consensus is? B-Machine (talk) 17:05, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

First, that wording has been in the article for ages. Look at the page's edit history.
Second, the fact that so many editors agree that the phrase "at least partial ancestry" addresses Leaf Green Warrior's concerns indicates that they support its inclusion. To see their support, search for the word "partial" on the Talk page.
Finally, if you don't want it there, start a discussion about it, don't continue to edit war about it. Doing so will lead to your being blocked. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:15, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Dred Scott

Dude, thanks. Total newb move on my part, rather embarassing. ~ Amory (utc) 22:44, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Face-smile.svg — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:28, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 April 2012

Ohio University Credit Union

Hello. I was creating the page Ohio University Credit Union and just mins after I had created the page, I received a A7 speedy deletion notus from Tchaliburton. I have added links and an explanation and I was wondering if you can look at my page and see if it is an error or if i need to do more. I just created the page not more then 2 hours ago and also im not familiar with an A7. Thank you Nhajivandi (talk) 06:48, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

One editor reviewed the article and believed it qualified for speedy deletion under criterion A7, that is, the article didn't explain what made the OU Credit Union important or significant. For more information, please see User:Malik Shabazz/CSD#A7.
When an administrator reviewed the article, she or he found that you had copied and pasted most of the text from this website. Consequently, the page qualified for deletion under criterion G12, unambiguous copyright violation. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 12:38, 1 May 2012 (UTC)


you have insulted me by removing my efforts to improve wikipedia

will you please tell me how I may get a second opinion on your action — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelly222 (talkcontribs) 16:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:Deletion review is the appropriate forum. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:27, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Can you please tell me why you insulted me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kelly222 (talkcontribs) 16:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Can you tell me how I insulted you? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

can you please tell me how to add a page to my watchlist? thank you

you accused me wrongly of vandalism

Toward the top right corner of most pages, there is a blue star (near the search box). If you click on the star, it spins for a second and turns solid blue. That means you've added the page to your watchlist. See Help:Watching pages for more information.
Your page Emogay appeared to be vandalism. If it was not, I apologize for referring to it as vandalism. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:52, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your apology. It begins to restore my faith in wikipedia. Would you be so kind now to restore the page? Thanks. And can I ask you how to watch a section within a page? I think for example, that at the moment I don't want to watch your page, just this section. Otherwise I would get lots of hits not related to our discussion. Kelly222 (talk) 22:35, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. I can't find any evidence that the word "emogay" exists. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:04, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Mark, I am very sorry that you have made this statement. Will you please look again. There is plenty of evidence of "emogay" Yours sincerely Kelly222 (talk) 21:55, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Can you help me out by maybe providing a link to something that shows the word being used, or the name of a dictionary or other reference book that includes the word? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Mark, would it be ok for your to use google to search for "emogay"?Kelly222 (talk) 00:43, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Malik Please accept my apologies, I've just noticed I've been calling you Mark. Sorry about my lack of attention to this important fact. Kelly222 (talk) 00:53, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Malik I would be very grateful if you could spend the time to do the google search. Is it normal for you to revert my edit while the discussion is ongoing? I hope my question doesn't upset you, but I must say that I am a bit upset that you seem to not want to address the issues. Kelly222 (talk) 07:37, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Kelly, I couldn't find any relevant results using Google. Please provide some links or take this matter to WP:Deletion review. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 14:07, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Dear Malik, I'm sorry you couldn't find any relevant results. Among the 109,000 google results for "emogay", can you tell me one you didn't find was "relevant"? Thank you so much for your patience. Kelly222 (talk) 07:57, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't think emo=gay is the same as emogay. WP:Deletion review is your next step. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 12:27, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Dear Malik, thank you so much for your response. But haven't you changed the goal posts? Did I ever say emo means gay? You haven't yet told me if it's normal to revert while a discussion is ongoing and you haven't yet told me which among the 109,000 google results for "emogay" you thought was irrelevant" Thank you so much again for your help in this matter. Kelly222 (talk) 22:16, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Persistent Italian self-promotion on a R&B-related article

Hi. I would like you to help me on the issue Wikipedia has. The problem is one Italy-based anonymous user (,, who periodically adds non-notable entry (himself) on Boogie.

Take a look at the following diffs:

  • 1) One (September/18/2011)
  • 2) Two (April/27/2012)
  • 3) Three (April/30/2012)

Now I don't know where to ask first. Is it RPP (for locking the article)? Or Administrator intervention against vandalism (for blocking the anon)? It seems honestly like a waste of time. I always start with administrators who seem to be to competent enough to deal with the issue.

I mean, what would be the best thing to do right now? ItsAlwaysLupus (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, music-related articles attract self-promotion. It doesn't look like there's enough vandalism to justify semi-protection of the article. When the vandal strikes, you can try WP:AIV. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:26, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
Certainly, I will do. Thanks for your input. ItsAlwaysLupus (talk) 21:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Arab and Jewish articles

I found a few more sources regarding Arabs being classified as white/Caucasian and added them to the article, so it's not just the US Census information on there. To me, a racial category of an entire group of people is pertinent enough to warrant a short sentence in the lead, especially if it is a general question people have (for example, few ask what race the Swedish are, but plenty of people ask what race the Arabs are- a quick search in Google demonstrates this in part). The one thing is that I am not too happy with the word "historically". Even though the evidence does support the idea that Arabs have been categorized as white/Caucasian well before the US Census did, the word may incorrectly imply that this categorization was widespread, widely acknowledged, and inveterate. On the other hand, I think replacing "historically" with "generally" makes the statement too weak and flimsy. If you can think of a better word that is perhaps a medium between these, that would be great. If you're convinced this doesn't belong in the lead, then act accordingly, but I think it is fine.

As far as the article on Jews is concerned, I think you and I both know that the worldwide Jewish population is overwhelmingly majority Caucasian/white, especially in the United States. I am having difficultly finding a source for this. There has generally been a subtle split amongst some Jews (not myself though) in identifying as "white"; the preference sometimes is just to say "I'm Jewish" and be done with the "race question", and given the history of anti-Jewish sentiment in the US and Europe, it is not really much of a surprise. I believe this is one of the reasons why I am having difficultly finding a source that directly or indirectly proves that the majority of the Jewish population in the world is white. It is one of those things I know for a fact to be true (as I believe you do) but proving it is a little tricky. I'll continue looking for a source for that.ElliotJoyce (talk) 06:27, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding a sentence about the racial classification of Arabs to the lede gives undue weight to the concept. It is also contrary to WP:LEDE, which says the opening section of an article is supposed to summarize the page, and it should not introduce information that does not appear elsewhere in the article.
The same is true of Jews. With respect to Jews, the issue is complicated by the fact that European Jews traditionally were classified as members of the Hebrew or Jewish race, not the white race. Somehow I doubt you're interested in reading more about the subject, and more interested in trawling the internet for a source that "proves" most Jews are white. Happy hunting. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:00, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
The Hebrew or Jewish race originated in the Middle East, particularly the Near East, and hence would be classified along the same racial lines as other Middle Eastern groups, that being Caucasian. So even if your statement regarding separate classification for Jews is taken as completely true, it is not logically inconsistent with the fact that indigenous people of the Near and Middle East are, and have been, part of the Caucasoid racial grouping. What makes my point even stronger is the fact that the majority of world's Jews today are Ashkenazi Jews, which is my heritage, and Ashkenazi Jews have lived in Central, Western, and parts of Eastern Europe for the last 1500 years or more, inviting significant intermixing with the local European population. This is part of the reason why most modern Ashkenzi Jews appear white. A look at a sample of American Jews demonstrates this- their features are Caucasian. Another example would be if you took a look at the profiles on Jewish dating websites, such as Jdate; the vast majority have Caucasian appearances, and nearly all qualify as to what is generally termed "white", which is not exactly synonymous with "Caucasian" but rather a sub-category within Caucasian. It is not that I am not interested in learning more about the subject, but rather that on this particular issue, there is already established, demonstrable evidence that the bulk of today's Jewry is racially Caucasian, and, especially in the US, most would also fall into the sub-category of white. Therefore, I believe it is you who are more interested in diverting or deflecting this fact through discussion of antiquated racial classifications of Jews that do not accord to the modern conception of racial groups and are partly the product of European antisemitism. The fact remains that you and I both know that modern day Ashkenazi Jews, as well as a many Sephardic Jews who also have European admixture, fall neatly into the Caucasoid racial grouping, and most within the sub-category of white.
Regarding the Arab article, I believe you have a point about the information appearing in the "lede"- I will relocate it in a different place in the article. Let me know if you object to it.ElliotJoyce (talk) 18:30, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Created Archive on "Jewish Holiday"

Thank you for that suggestion. First time I created an archive, but seems to have worked out ok. StevenJ81 (talk) 22:13, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Nice work. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Last Time (Evolution song)

Tricky one. Does having a bluelinked guest singer on it count or not? Peridon (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I think so, but I'm not sure. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Guidance re Altwood CofE Secondary School

Thanks for the pointer regarding my inappropriate A7. Do you think it would be more appropriate to PROD or AFD what appears to be a non-notable school? --Salimfadhley (talk) 20:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Either PROD or AfD would be appropriate. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:59, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you again. --Salimfadhley (talk) 21:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Outright Libertarians

See sources. I don't think CSD applies to this article. --SupernovaExplosion Talk 14:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Only a few of those sources appear to be about the Outright Libertarians. I've restored the article, but please add these and other reliable sources that help establish the group's notability. (Note that PR Web simply reposts press releases and is not considered a reliable source.) Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 14:38, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Could I interest you in reviewing this article

Stanisław August Poniatowski (last king of Poland). I would like to GA it soon, and I also have a book (for a month or so) that I can use to possibly expand it (Zahorski's overview of historiography on him). Sorry if my requests are becoming annoying recently, but you are the only one who keeps doing them on a regular basis :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 22:57, 3 May 2012 (UTC)


Hello, Malik Shabazz;

Ojoaushadrosaurus is a hoax article, using falsified references. It appears to have been created by the series of IPs used by Edward Ostroski, whose ongoing efforts to sneak in imaginary taxonomy are detailed here, here, here, and here. J. Spencer (talk) 03:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing it to my attention. I've deleted the article. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:02, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for taking care of it promptly! J. Spencer (talk) 04:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Quick note

Re the kerfuffle at the hasbara article, I just wanted to let you know that anon users can't be reverted more than three times now, even in the I/P topic area, per a new decree from ArbCom. It would take me a while to find the ref to that decree, though. Of course, the anon has obviously violated 1RR at that article. I don't know how you can take an anon editor to AE, or whether it's worth the trouble ... WMF did a very bad thing in rejecting the community's call for the ending of anon editing, imo. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 05:15, 4 May 2012 (UTC)   Temporarily watchlisted, no talkback needed.

I figure 3RR always applies, even if ARBPIA further restricts an editor to 1RR with respect to registered users, but thanks for the message. I've left two messages on the IP editor's Talk page encouraging them to start a discussion about their concerns, but no response. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:24, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


Thanks for the swift deletion of my November 2010 archive. All I got that month was a happy birthday message, so I felt it wasn't necessary to have an archive for it. =) - Zhou Yu (talk) 05:17, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Face-smile.svg — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Josue Larose

Why did you delete the Josue Larose wikipedia page? Information about him is already limited, and you deleted one of the few information sites we have. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:54, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry. The story appeared so outrageous I thought it was a hoax.
I've restored the article. Please expand it by adding reliable sources. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 12:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

This Is Colour

Hello Malik. You recently deleted an article for This Is Colour, the band. This Is Colour have been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself.

They have articles in Kerrang Magazine and Front Magazine (both UK), as well as newspaper articles, reviews and and segments in a number of other publications. We also feature in Front Magazine's frontarmy website. I can supply evidence if required? — Preceding unsigned comment added by KXcom (talkcontribs) 16:03, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

If you could provide me with a link to any such sources, I'll restore the article. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:06, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to the frontarmy feature, I will need to scan the other articles, bare with me. KXcom (talk) 16:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I already have scans, these are links to images on facebook, but are scanned images of the features from Kerrang:

and Front Magazine: KXcom (talk) 16:14, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

And an archived newspaper article: KXcom (talk) 16:16, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I've restored the article. Please add references to the newspaper and magazine articles about the band to the article or it may be deleted again. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:18, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Malik, will do. KXcom (talk) 16:20, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

RE: Your block

Hey Malik, that was the quickest block I've ever got  :) ‑KoshVorlonAngeli i demoni kruzhili nado mnoj... - 17:54, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't tell you how sorry I am about that. I was trying to block another editor and got you instead. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:56, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem guy ! Sh~t happens sometimes! ‑KoshVorlonAngeli i demoni kruzhili nado mnoj... - 17:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

BTW, that IP address that showed up in your block (the one on my page) goes back to my office. Is that the one that you saw JBSlaya on, if so, he's in the same building I"m in. I can and will provide you an email contact from my end (I.T guys ) if so.

‑KoshVorlonAngeli i demoni kruzhili nado mnoj... - 18:04, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I don't know JBSlaya's IP address. Again, I'm sorry for the whole mess. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:32, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Quality Barbers

Why did you remove my Quality Barbers article? This article is a company wiki entry on Quality Barbers Inc. Why does company like Supercuts gets allowed to exist on wikipedia but a new company entry gets deleted right away? Please explain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by innomind (talkcontribs) 07:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Please read User:Malik Shabazz/CSD#A7. Quality Barbers was deleted because it failed to explain why the company was significant or important. (Having a celebrity as a client is not considered a sign of importance.)
In order to qualify for an encyclopedia article, a company must be "notable". Please see WP:COMPANY, the relevant notability guideline. If Quality Barbers satisfies the notability criteria based on what reliable sources have written about it, please let me know and we can discuss restoring the article. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 12:41, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Dalyell (disambiguation)

Hello. I was really disappointed to see that this had been speedily deleted. Were you the nominator, or was it someone else? I, as creator, was not informed, and would have contested it as not uncontroversial. It had already, in the last couple of weeks, failed to get through a speedy, so it should have, at very least, been a prod or afd. As, if I remember correctly, three people objected (certainly at least two), it wasn't uncontroversial. Last I saw it, it had two articles and two redlinks which were valid entries, and met MOS:DABRL and MOS:DABMENTION. In the last two weeks, it was nominated for speedy deletion by PatGallacher, who didn't inform me. I sent a polite message reminding that creators should be informed, the editor again nominated it for speedy deletion, and again, didn't tell me, so this whole thing has made me cross. My questions essentially are: who nominated it, and why didn't they inform me (or has the message been lost somewhere)? Should a page be nominated for speedy deletion, when this method of deletion has so recently failed? What was the reason for nomination?

Thanks for your help, Boleyn (talk) 06:36, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. User:PatGallacher nominated it for speedy deletion. I'm sorry that I didn't check the edit history carefully. It should have been sent to WP:AfD.
I would offer to restore the page, but I see you've recreated it. Again, I'm sorry. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 12:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I can't believe an experienced editor would nominate for speedy deletion - uncontroversial maintenance - the same page three times within two weeks, not inform creator, ignore creator's messages and continue...If you are able to restore the original, I'd be grateful, because then people could see the true edit history, and I think we've also lost an entry. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 12:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. Here is the last version before the deletion.
I left a note about this for PatGallacher. I'll let you know if I hear back from him. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 12:45, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again, I've found the missing entry now. I saw PatGallacher's response, it doesn't seem like he/she is going to realise that this isn't the way to act. Oh well, thanks for trying. Boleyn (talk) 19:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Desperate Women

Desperate Women (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I don't know why it was deleted, but I don't see any other existing article with the same name. Maybe I should have made redirects earlier and then wikified the whole dab page. --George Ho (talk) 17:52, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I deleted the page because although it looked like a disambiguation page, it didn't link to any existing articles. Specifically, it linked to:
Therefore it qualified for speedy deletion under criterion G6. As an alternative, I guess I could have made it into a redirect to Desperadas. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:02, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
Are there any exception, or do the guidelines forbid these types? --George Ho (talk) 18:06, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
I don't think there's a hard-and-fast rule, but in general disambiguation pages shouldn't include redlinks to articles that don't exist. An exception is made for redlinks that are already used in other articles. See WP:Disambiguation dos and don'ts. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
No offense, but I think that was a bad faith deletion. Sure, I should not have made red links, but this page is helpful in many ways. Why else deleting it? Maybe if undeleted, I wonder if red links must be removed. --George Ho (talk) 04:13, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Would you like me to restore it? All you have to is ask nicely.
And no, the red links won't disappear magically if the page is restored. Look at them above. They're still red. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 11:46, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
May you please undelete the disambiguation page? If so, I will remove those red links if you may. --George Ho (talk) 18:04, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
 Done — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:46, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Les Payne

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Category:Israeli people by ethnic or national origin

Hi. You participated in a CfD on Category:Israeli people by ethnic or national origin two years ago. This CfD is currently being revisited so I'm hoping you can participate in the debate. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 14:09, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

No need to inform of decline speedy deletion

I just want to inform that you not necessary to inform me about that decline speedy deletion because I'm just do a simple cleanup job that will bring admin attention to decide whether the talk page is necessary to keep. Hope that clear! --Aleenf1 15:10, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Keep up the good work. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

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Greetings Malik

Would you mind weighing in on a topic on the Eldridge Cleaver page? I believe you are already familiar with the subject as well as those participating in the debate. Thanks: Talk:Eldridge_Cleaver#Was_Eldridge_a_racist.3F --Chimino (talk) 10:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Tim Wise

He has often spoken on the concept of white privilege through such written works as, ‘White Like Me: Reflections on Race from a Privileged Son’, and video releases such as, ‘On White Privilege: Racism, White Denial & the Costs of Inequality’, and ‘The Audacity of Truth: Racism and White Denial in the Age of Obama’.[1] Including all of his written works and releases; he has yet to give a speech on Jewish privilege, a concept that consists of statistics that demonstrate Jewish Americans tend to have a higher average income than most Americans, and due to their heritage, the fact they support an ethnically homogenous state that enforces stringent governmental immigration policies.[2]

So you must dispute he has spoken on the concept of white privilege through those mediums, yet further down the page (and in the cited sources) it confirms he has, not to mention the fact one of his works actually uses the title "White Privilege"

He has yet to speak on Jewish Privilege - how is that inaccurate or "synthesis" - that is verifiable fact, Tim Wise has NOT spoken on Jewish Privilege because his works do not extend past attempts at dismantling racism through discussing facets of whiteness in the US. I then proceeded to describe COMPLETELY ACCURATELY FREE OF ANY BIAS and I will quote, "Relative to the total U.S. population, Jews are more highly educated, have more prestigious jobs and earn higher household incomes." -- That is from

Do I need another source to verify the fact Israel is a state of almost exclusively Jewish constitution? Or would that be considered "common knowledge", similar to a piece of high school assessment that would not require citation, or is it that you just don't like sources describing a hypocrite attempting to villify modern whites as inherently racist and modern blacks as victims? Given your username, I would assume the latter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmediterraneo (talkcontribs) 13:02, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

As I wrote on your Talk page, if you want to make the point that Wise has never spoken about "Jewish privilege", you need to find a source that explicitly says Wise has never spoken about "Jewish privilege". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

So a logical conclusion, based on the fact the ENTIRETY (that means all of them) of his works are related to the concept of white privilege, cannot be made? The fact he has only spoken on white privilege has not been "manipulated", it IS the source that proves he has no written works on Jewish Privilege, considering he is of Jewish ethnicity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmediterraneo (talkcontribs) 13:33, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

We don't draw our own conclusions from sources (that's considered original research). Without a source that explicitly discusses Wise and "Jewish privilege", the article can't discuss about it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

talk:United Conservationists

Hi Malik, Just inquiring as to why you requested a speedy deletion of the article United Conservationists? UC is a not-for-profit organization that has contributed significantly to changing legislation on the ban of shark finning. Prominent celebrities including Richard Branson and Les Stroud sit on the UC board. Thanks to the movie Sharkwater, United Conservationists and fin free campaigns have helped change legislation in Canada among other countries around the world to ban the use of shark products. I understand that you cited you deleted the article as "A7: Article about a company, corporation, organization, or group which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject." The legislation changes that has resulted on shark fin bans because of UC is of great importance. Please let me know if you would like further information, and let me know what it would take to have the article restored. Thank you. Am.fahel (talk) 14:36, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Please read User:Malik Shabazz/CSD#A7. The article didn't explain why United Conservationists is important or significant.
If reliable sources have written about United Conservationists, please let me know and we can discuss restoring the article. Please keep in mind that the sources must be about United Conservationists, not Sharkfin. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Please undo your speedy of Outline of Baha'i Faith

There was an outline that apparently you speedy deleted.

Please restore it.

I believe the page included enough content as to not be eligible for speedy deletion. Also, the Outline WikiProject has a space for drafts, so there is no need to speedy, as it could be moved there.

If it isn't ready for article space, please restore it and move it to the outline WikiProject's draft space (Wikipedia:WikiProject Outlines/Drafts/Outline of Baha'i Faith), so we can work on it.

Thank you. The Transhumanist 03:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The page I deleted was a redirect to a deleted page. I've restored the page in question, Outline of Bahá'í Faith. I don't understand why it was deleted in the first place. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:05, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
No worries. Thank you. The Transhumanist 06:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Mississippi Center for Public Policy

Hi. You deleted this page, and as it is a very significant think tank I may create it again. However, it'd be useful to know what the page looked like when you deleted it. Is it possible to see it anywhere? Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 04:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi. In July 2010, when I deleted the article, it looked like this:
The Mississippi Center for Public Policy (MCPP) is a think-tank based in Jackson, MS.
The stated mission of MCPP is [1]"to advance the ideals of limited government, free markets, and strong traditional families by influencing public policy, informing the media, and equipping the public with information and perspective to help them understand and defend their liberty."
I can restore the old article if you'd like, but it was just this text with a few clean-up templates. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:02, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Neighbor Procedure

Hey Malik. Is there a reason why we don't have an article on the "Neighbor Procedure"? Was there one which was deleted or is it considered inappropriate topic for inclusion? We have the "Neighbor Procedure" very briefly described in the Breaking the Silence article but I do not see a Wikipedia article for it.

Sources which could be used for such an article:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14

And many more

Poyani (talk) 13:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

No reason I'm aware of, but you might want to ask at WP:WikiProject Palestine. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 13:18, 9 May 2012 (UTC)


‎ This user is probably a sock, is edit warring on two article, making pointy inserts, and has personally attacked me. At what point does this become disruptive editing?Ankh.Morpork 15:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

I gave Spacech45 a warning about 3RR (at American Jews) and about personal attacks. I wasn't aware the editor was edit-warring at Sex and the law as well. Blocked. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:56, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
please note the edits of ankhmorpork. he is linking certain crimes with certain racial groups. utter distgusting.-- altetendekrabbe  15:59, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I'll ask you the same thing I asked Spacech45: Have you tried to discuss the issue with User:AnkhMorpork in a civil fashion? If you have, and you find that unproductive, try WP:Dispute resolution. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:04, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I am even more appreciative of your notable objective stance towards these issues. Thank you for your help.Ankh.Morpork 16:00, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Please review a similar attack made by the above user.1 Ankh.Morpork 16:07, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
I just asked User:Altetendekrabbe to revert it. If nothing happens, I'll block the editor. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:13, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Sheriff Ric L. Bradshaw page

Good afternoon. I'm so very sorry, but I don't really understand this Wikipedia yet in how you leave messages.

The Ric Bradshaw page - it was deleted because of improper citing? If so, how do I get to where I was so I can cite my sources?


Mark Dougan

And as far as signing the message, do I just to four tildas or do I do four tildas, my name and then four more tildes? Or just four tildes? Dugn8r (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

See User:Malik Shabazz/CSD#G10. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Princess restaurant

Just thought that you would like to know the article has been recreated, seeing as you deleted it recently. CaptainScreebo Parley! 17:21, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the "heads up". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:55, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
np, *smile* CaptainScreebo Parley! 19:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
  • Hmm check this, User:Y deleted this page at 18:06, and it was recreated at 18:07, looks like the page creator needs some TLC, but I don't have the mop, bells or shiny things that go "whoosh (fail)". CaptainScreebo Parley! 19:37, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

User Tan Chee Hien

I want this page quickly deleted as I am no longer active on Wikipedia. Don't you morons understand this? I have forgotten my password that is why I couldn't access my account ! Tan Chee Hien — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I can't delete a User page based on your say-so. And for future reference: calling people morons is not very likely to persuade them to listen to what you have to say. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC)