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Late Ancient Saints categories[edit]

Hi, I noticed that here you only nominated Category:Saints of Late Roman Thessalonica‎ for upmerging to one parent, Category:Saints of Roman Thessalonica‎, and not to the other valid parents Category:Christianity in Late Roman Thessalonica, Category:Late Roman-era Thessalonians and Category:Christian saints of Late Antiquity. Don't worry, I spotted what I thought was an oversight and added the former contents there also. But please do look out for multiple parents more often. Hope this helps! Face-smile.svg

I also came across Category:Late Ancient Christian female saints, which seems to need a cleanup if you have finished what you started there. – Fayenatic London 23:02, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


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Early Modern Belgium[edit]

@Fayenatic london: @Ricky81682: In this very old CfD discussion I've added a summary of the discussion thus hoping that an administrator will find it easier to close the discussion. Would one of you be willing to do this? Marcocapelle (talk) 14:13, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Yes check.svg Done, thanks for the summary. – Fayenatic London 14:00, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Aden Site[edit]

I reverted your category removals at Aden Site. The topic there is both the archaeological remains (and search) and the initial settlement there. It's similar to me how the Stonehenge article is both about the original structure there and uses categories for that and about how it is today as an archaeological site and is in categories for that. Do you agree? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:15, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

  • It's pretty questionable at least, because the category is not a characteristic of the topic of the article but instead it is a characteristic of a topic (village) that is mentioned within the article while the article contains virtually no further information about the villages. But I'll leave it for now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:44, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Well the article could be split into two stubs then, one about the settlement and another about the archaeological findings but I doubt anyone would support that. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:48, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Agree, there's simply too little info about the villages to merit a separate article. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:49, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Medieval syria[edit]

I've moved the deletion discussion of Medieval syria from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medieval syria to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2016 February 20#Medieval syria because WP:RFD is the proper venue for discussing the deletion of redirects. 18:23, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Category:Foreign involvement in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Foreign involvement in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Plot Spoiler (talk) 16:20, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Edit summaries[edit]

These all seem to quote the wrong category - [1] for example. Do you know why this is? It is very time-consuming for those with the articles on their watchjlists, as they look wrong, even when right. Johnbod (talk) 13:39, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

  • Not a wrong category, but a longer string than just a grandparent-grandchild relationship, because the string is Mesopotamia - History of Mesopotamia - History of Iraq - Archaeology of Iraq - Archaeological sites of Iraq. I'm assuming this whole explanation is not really necessary to write in a summary. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Why not put what you actually did - which is easier to type anyway? These are just confusing and misleading. Johnbod (talk) 16:24, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
It's a summary so I assume it's not necessary to be overly precise. I could write something like "removed grandgrandgrandgrandparent category of ..." but so far, while I was just writing "removed grandparent category of ...", other people seemed to understand the concept. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:30, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Celtic art[edit]

What the hell are you doing? All these changes are wrong. Please leave these poor categories alone. You obviously have no idea about the subject, as you've been told before. Johnbod (talk) 13:34, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree that Marcopelle should stop editing anything related to categories. Hawaan12 (talk) 23:55, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
For reference, Johnbod has added the categories back. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:23, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Your question at the Help desk[edit]

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I don't understand the removal of the Gaelic dynasties category. Can you explain please? Laurel Lodged (talk) 14:00, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

OK Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Good move[edit]

Thank you for intervening as you did here, I think someone needed to. What you did was nicer than, say, WILL YOU TWO PLEASE SHUT UP!!, something that I've almost written in other discussions a few times in the past ... Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:11, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Tagged categories[edit]

Hey, Marcocapelle,
Could you look at the documentations for Template:Db-xfd? Because the links you are posting to discussions aren't working. An editor ends up with a url like " for discussion/Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/log/October 24". You just need to include the page name for whatever area (Articles, Templates, Categories) for the page where there is a deletion discussion. The template provides examples that explain this better than I. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 22:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Kurdish secession CFD[edit]

Hi, I'm just having a look at this CFD and considering closing it, but I'm a little unsure of the final result. Briefly, I was considering closing it as (1) no consensus to merge everything to a single Category:Kurdish separatism, but (2) there does seem to be consensus to change "secession" to "separatism" somewhere. So what I am confused about is this: would we rename both the Category:Kurdish secession in Iran and Category:Kurdish secession in Turkey to use "separatism", or does this just apply to one of those two nominated categories? My sense is both, but I just wanted to check to be sure. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Colonial Brazil categories[edit]

Hi, following the close at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_February_4#Colonial_Brazil, there are lots of subcats to be renamed. I won't mind if they are done without discussion; IMHO it's allowable under WP:G6 as housekeeping after the CFD.

As well as moving, category pages will need editing to remove "Colonial " from templates and sort keys.

Would you be willing? – Fayenatic London 20:24, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

  • @Fayenatic london: I think I've done it all, anyway I'll check again after deletion of empty categories has been executed. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:05, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
    • So far so good, I think... Tipping open the sub-cats of Category:16th century in Brazil, I see that the "15XX in Colonial Brazil" categories are empty and need to be moved to "in Brazil". – Fayenatic London 20:34, 8 April 2016 (UTC)


You know that if you create a category by mistake as you did with Category:Books about Islam en society then the quickest and cleanest way of deleting it is to tag it with {{db-self}} (or {{Db-g7}} to its friends)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Le Deluge (talkcontribs) 03:31, 10 April 2016

  • I didn't. Thanks for the tip. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
    • {{db-author}} is the name that sticks in my mind. There are yet more alternatives; {{db-oops}} is rather nice. – Fayenatic London 19:14, 11 April 2016 (UTC)


I see to remember promising you that i would nominate a page or a category for deletion but the name escapes me. Can you help? Laurel Lodged (talk) 21:17, 13 April 2016 (UTC)


From 14 to 24 April, it's uncertain to what extent I'll have internet access. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:23, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

When you're back, you might want to reply again at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_April_9#Category:Muslim_philosophers. – Fayenatic London 20:42, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

A new section in CFD[edit]

I started a proposal at village pump here for a new section in CFD called CFRc (Categories for recategorization) where users who like to change sub- or parent-categories, can ask the experienced community. I believe you will like to join the discussion and poll. CN1 (talk) 22:50, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Christian monks from Palwstine[edit]

Given the successful renaming of the above category, what now to do with its parent, Category:Holy Land during Byzantine rule? I think we're agreed that the term "Holy Land" is not appropriate for the region at that time. Nor is "Land of Israel". But is "Palestine" broad enough? Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:10, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Notifications with wrong section link[edit]

Hi Marcocapelle, I have a repeated problem of notifications linking to the wrong section on CfD pages. I wonder if it is something specific to the formatting of (some?) CfD log pages.

E.g. see Special:Notifications. Today I had a notification

"‪Place Clichy‬ mentioned you on ‪Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 Febru...‬ in "‪Category:Wiki Loves Women Writing Contest‬".
The of state part is redundant with of sub-national entities in the pro..."

The mention (of both of us) is actually in the section after that, Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 February 17#Category:Provincial and state governors by country.

Do you get the same error in your notifications? – Fayenatic London 21:53, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

  • @Fayenatic london: That's right, I have the same problem for quite some time. Luckily it refers at least to the right page. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Category:History of the Roman Empire[edit]

What's your feeling on this? Isn't everything about the Roman Empire history? Would you agree that the contents should be upmerged to Category:Roman Empire ? Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:19, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Please notify category creators of your nominations.[edit]

This is quite a basic courtesy; as you make a large number of nominations, actually quite essential. Tim! (talk) 15:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC) I reiterate this demand. Tim! (talk) 13:10, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

  • @Tim!: Meanwhile I've started to use Twinkle, this tool should notify category creators automatically, isn't that right? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:40, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
Ok thanks. Tim! (talk) 07:55, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Philosophy of Economics[edit]

Hello, Marcocapelle - In reply to your note on my talkpage, User:Stefanomione created the Category:Philosophy of disciplines and has placed all the "Philosophy of" subcategories in that category, which makes very good sense. Philosophies are "meta" to the disciplines that utilize them, rather than the other way around. I think the cat is now fine as it is. Regards, Meclee (talk) 22:41, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

  • @Meclee: But Philosophy of Economics should be reachable through the Economics tree as well, don't you think? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
If that is your major concern, add a <See also|Philosophy of economics> to the Category:Economics page or place a link to it in the already existing <hatnote>. The category structure is supposed to be primarily hierarchical and not tautological. That's why we have specific policies about this related to (WP:OVERCAT). To eliminate catalog clutter, start by deleting parent categories when subcategories are already listed. One can follow a subcategory back to the top parent category if that info is needed. Circular reference defeats the purpose of cataloging articles. Regards, Meclee (talk) 15:43, 16 May 2016 (UTC) P.S.: Another option would be to add Category:Philosophy of economics as a parent to Category:Economics. Meclee (talk) 15:55, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
  • @Meclee: Given the hierarchical category structure, it would make more sense to have Category:Philosophy of economics as a child category, rather than as a parent, don't you think? After all, from the perspective of economics, philosophy of economics is a subdiscipline of economics, not the other way around. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
I definitely disagree, as already stated. Most economists would disagree, if they ever thought about it. Philosophers would certainly disagree. Philosophy is the underpinning of all disciplines. That's why the most advanced degrees are called "Doctor of Philosophy in x", not "Doctor of x." It's called a discipline because it is discipline of our thoughts. What guiding principles do we use to discipline our thoughts? Philosophical principles regarding ontology, epistemology, soteriology or science, pathos, logic, ethics, etc. If you are convinced I am wrong, repeat what you've written above on the category talk page and put out a RfC and we'll look at the results. Regards, Meclee (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
My two cents as someone in the field; philosophy of economics is not a particularly noteworthy sub-discipline of economics in the modern day. I would throw it under the category Category:History of economic thought. Economic thought certainly had its origins as philosophy, so this would make the most sense. Modern scholars who occasionally write about the philosophy of economics are economic historians, as far as I've encountered them. Category:Economics as a sub-category of Category:Philosophy of economics is obviously incorrect and I oppose that in the strongest possible terms. Semantically, every scientific discipline (broadly construed to include the social sciences) must originate in philosophy because we must confront the issue of whether our own observations can be assumed to be accurate. That doesn't mean that Category:Philosophy should be a parent for all of academia; that's not useful categorization. ~ RobTalk 19:58, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Category:Religious studies vs. Category:Study of religion[edit]

Do you envision this category as being for the academic study of religion? Many categories of that (Jewish studies, Buddhist studies, etc.) are currently categorized under Category:Theology studies. Editor2020 (talk) 21:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

  • @Editor2020: The academic study of religion is what the category is currently used for, and this is in accordance with the category's main article. It's quite questionable whether Jewish studies and Buddhist studies should be under theology. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)


Stop closing my mergers as keep. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 11:46, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Talking of CFD, I keep noticing your good work there, with much appreciation. Are you still content to go without the mop and bucket? It's been several months since you declined, and you look more than ready to use the toolbox. I'd certainly be willing to nominate you. – Fayenatic London 21:25, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I'm perfectly fine, if only because with more tools available I may be tempted to spend even more time on Wikipedia than I currently do. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 21 May 2016 (UTC)


Hi. You've been doing yeoman's work at Cfd. (And I too think you would make a great admin, based on the patience you've shown). If you have anything to add at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Stefanomione_revisited, please do. (My first was more a sort of howl of agony.) thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:45, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Changes to globalization categories[edit]

Hello. You've been making some wide ranging changes to the Category:Globalization catalog including proposing renames as well as rearranging the catalog structure. The Globalization article, navigation Template:Globalization, and the structure of the category have been designed to be compatible to make it easier for users to find information. I think that we have sometimes been working at cross purposes and I would ask you to please discuss your thoughts about changes to the organization of the catalog on the current talk page Category_talk:Globalization to save both of us some time and try to coordinate efforts. Regards, Meclee (talk) 22:05, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

  • @Meclee: So far I have the experience that category talk isn't really used by anyone. I'm happy to align with you but it'll work just as easy through our mutual personal talk pages. There's only one last thing I had in mind for this category, which is to nominate the following in CfD:
Category:Globalization issues to Category:Global environmental issues and Category:Global demographic issues: split to make the category names less ambiguous. If anything in the current category does not fit in the new categories it may be upmoved to Category:Globalization.
In the end, globalization will be conveniently split up by four aspects: economic, (socio)cultural, environmental and demographic. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:52, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Category talk pages are there for the same purpose as article talk pages and, in my experience, are used when needed to propose major changes. As now listed on the Category_talk:Globalization page, there are five major aspects that are direct sub-categories of Category:Globalization:
Many of these intersect with other parent categories created by related WP:WikiProjects. In general, those intersections should be allowed to remain as created by these related projects.
I have no specific interest in the Category:Globalization issue but it was created by @User:DASonnenfeld for purposes he envisioned. I would suggest notifying and discussing with him. Regards, Meclee (talk) 07:12, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
I have replied to this question at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Globalization#Changes_to_Globalization_categories. Regards, Meclee (talk) 16:10, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


Hello, Marcocapelle -- I see you have edited the article on the Alans. I wanted to discuss a recent edit to the article with you. It is this edit.

1. I am guessing from the editor's edit summary that he saw "barbarians" as racist, so he changed it to "newcomers". I know that word has the potential to be interpreted as racist, but I believe it is used by historians in the right context. I don't know if historians are no longer using that word. There is an entire article on Barbarian, and the singular and plural form of the word appears several times in Vandals. However, the word appears nowhere else in the article except in the title of a work in the footnotes. So, I don't know whether that change was an improvement or not.

2. The editor may also have objected to "tiny", in "tiny minority". 200,000 out of 6,000,000 is small, but I'm not sure I would call it tiny. Also, I think "tiny" is not a very encyclopedic word. I have no problem with the removal of "tiny", but I think "a small group" would read better than "a minority".

3. In the original sentence, I believe "compromised" is the wrong verb. I believe it should be "comprised". In the process of making his changes, the editor removed "compromised" but did not add another verb, so now the new version is missing a verb.

4. The original sentence had "within a much larger Hispano-Roman population". The editor removed "much" and changed the linked phrase to "existing". I think "much larger" is accurate and "much" should be put back in. I also think the linked phrase adds some needed clarity, so this should be put back the way it was.

I wanted to know what you thought about these various changes.  – Corinne (talk) 20:01, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

I just skimmed the article and made a few minor copy-edits, mostly to punctuation. I noticed a long passage in the section Alans#Medieval Alani that is in italics. If it is a real quote, I think it should be in block quote format, don't you? Also, there is no introduction to the quote, nothing to indicate who said it or where it is from. If the article were not as developed as it is, I would nominate it for TAFI.  – Corinne (talk) 20:17, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Hi Corinne, thanks for sharing. Personally I think these are modest edits, not controversial in any way. Let's see how other people react. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Question about CFD[edit]

Hi! Quick question about the comment you made when you closed this CFD. When you said, "This closure is without prejudice against a follow-up nomination of [Category:Retrospective diagnosis] as possibly being too subjective", did you mean that your reasoning for deleting the "lists of people by proposed medical condition" category shouldn't be interpreted as tacit approval of Category:Retrospective diagnosis or were you saying that you think the retrospective diagnosis one is too subjective and potentially should be nominated? Thanks! PermStrump(talk) 00:04, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

French sol[edit]

Hi Marcocapelle, you have intervened on this article and have a trackrecord of fiddling with categs and such. This is why I'm coming here to ask you if you know anything about how to establish a link between the French article and the English one (and with all the other languages, while at it). It's about getting the link to appear on the left handside of the page. I tried but my edit here: doesn't go through for some reason. The title in French is "Sou" (but that shows in the page linked - it's just the En. article missing there). Can you do something about this please? Thanks very much. (talk) 18:15, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

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Category:Poverty-related probems has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Poverty-related probems, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. McGeddon (talk) 17:55, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Disciplines vs Sciences[edit]

I recently came across some changed categories in some history of science articles I follow. The change seems an appropriate response to moving those articles to the category History of disciplines. I fear, however, that the recategorization may have gone too far; in English not all learned disciplines are sciences. To quote the Oxford Dictionaries OnLine, science is:

The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment: 'the world of science and technology'.

To this native English speaking historian of science, other systematic studies such as the study of law, history, literature, philosophy, and for some experts, mathematics are not considered sciences. There should be a category for the histories of such non-scientific disciplines. --SteveMcCluskey (talk) 17:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

  • @SteveMcCluskey: Could you indicate more precisely where in the category tree you'd like things to change (back)? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:00, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. My first guess was a category under the category:History of ideas, in parallel to the category:History of science which is already there. Browsing around that category I found that there is already an article on History of scholarship which is defined as "the historical study of fields of study which are not covered by the English term 'science'". Since that topic pretty well matches what I had in mind here, creating a matching category:History of scholarship would resolve the issue I raised. I'll leave the further problem of restoring any former history of disciplines articles that may have been improperly recategorized to History of science to those of you who know their way around the categorizing routines. Best wishes SteveMcCluskey (talk) 01:59, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Political economy[edit]

Hey. I closed Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_May_4#Category:Political_economy as no consensus, but I also wanted to respond here to your comment regarding inclusion criteria. Political economy is a very well-defined field in economics (well, as well-defined as any other field). Its scope is anything that involves how laws and government facilitate (or don't!) economic activity. Its an interdisciplinary field that is more-or-less the intersection of economics and political science, with some vague hints of sociology thrown in. ~ RobTalk 13:33, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Economic policy is specific actions (recommended or actual) that the government takes to intervene in the economy. It's not a field of economics in the sense that every single field propose policy solutions. For instance, in a recent paper I wrote, I suggested that future research should seek to determine which standardized test to give to high school students by finding which standardized test best predicts lifetime income. That's an economic policy suggestion, but it's clearly not part of the political economy field.
On the other hand, the European Journal of Political Economy recently published papers on the effects of organized crime on electoral outcomes, the role of partisanship in medical malpractice tort reforms, and how the risk of civil conflict informs how we set up our political institutions. These are all related to the political economy field, but none of them carry with them policy suggestions. (I should have noted before that political economy can also be about applying economic methodologies and thinking to political problems, which is common to most applied fields of economics. I would say the organized crime and civil conflict papers fit that bill.) These aren't two categories that firmly overlap.
It's very difficult to rigorously define fields in economics because they all overlap. My research could be characterized as labor economics, public economics, the economics of education, or just straight up education. In some sense, the field is defined by (a) where the researcher publishes it; (b) what methodology is used, as each field tends to use slightly different methodologies; (c) what the researcher's CV says in addition to the subject matter. Even though the lines blur, it's not true that these fields overlap. It's more like a complicated Venn diagram. But you need all the circles for anyone familiar with the field to find what they're looking for. ~ RobTalk 23:40, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Award for 100,000 edits[edit]

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Awesome accomplishment. 7&6=thirteen () 10:44, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

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Why not …[edit]

Hi Marcocapelle ! Why not nominate simultaneously … • Category:Works in the philosophy of economicsCategory:Works in the philosophy of mathematicsCategory:Works in the philosophy of physicsCategory:Works in the philosophy of psychologyCategory:Works in the philosophy of social science ? Renaming them all, I fully agree. And then again : not all were created by me. Stefanomione (talk) 22:44, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Music Licensing is a controversial subject[edit]

Not happy that you removed a category called Controversies in the Music Licensing Wikipedia Article...SMH!

Music Licensing is a controversial subject because some TV shows aren't out on DVD because of rights issues and some songs removed. For example they removed one song from The Facts Of Life complete series on DVD because of this nonsense. It's like censorship, and I say to feel the pain "Can't we watch TV shows on DVD in it's entirety?" instead of edited because of broken flawed copyright system.

I had to re-add that category to that Wikipedia article. Sorry Marcocapelle! Spencer H. Karter (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

SMH! Spencer H. Karter (talk) 18:22, 13 July 2016 (UTC)


Hi, please excuse the rollbacks on Deaths BC categories. I thought I had reverted everything from Wikipedia_talk:Categorization_of_people#RfC:_BC_births_and_deaths_categorization_scheme but I've just discovered that I missed a batch. I was trying to avoid rollbacks until now, but they do save me time. – Fayenatic London 15:15, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

Removing clinical psychology tests as a category[edit]

Hi, I would like to inquire about your removal of Clinical Psychology tests as a category. You stated that it was "grandfathered". Can you explain why you made those changes, and suggest an alternate category for these tests?

Thanks for taking time to edit Wikipedia! Ongmianli (talk) 18:39, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure which article you have in mind exactly, so I can't give you a detailed answer about an alternative right now, but just in general it is not at all necessary to have an article in multiple categories. That's only needed when an article belongs to clearly different topics that haven't been intersected. For example, article DSM 5 is in Category:Clinical psychology (a psychology category) but also in Category:Medical manuals (a manuals category) and that's perfectly alright in the current situation. However, if there would have been an intersection Category:Clinical psychology manuals, just hypothetically speaking, the article should have been categorized only there, not in Category:Clinical psychology and Category:Medical manuals because these would both be less specific than Category:Clinical psychology manuals. - Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
@Marcocapelle:: This is really helpful. Thanks for providing the example! I have other pages that I have done *exactly* what you said *not* to do... and will work to change those categories. I appreciate it! Ongmianli (talk) 20:28, 10 August 2016 (UTC)



When you close XFD discussions, please can you ensure that you use {{subst:nac}} per WP:NACD?

Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:06, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

  • Hey, User:BrownHairedGirl, some background info about this: when doing my first closures long time ago, I just followed WP:CFDAI that didn't mention the NAC code. Much later I saw another non-admin closure using the NAC code but since neither User:Good Olfactory nor User:Fayenatic london (who together did most of the closures at the time and guided me in doing this task properly) ever mentioned to me that I should use NAC code I figured it wasn't that important. Just out of curiosity: why is it important after all?
By the way, would you be willing to close a few dozens of (old) discussions? - there is a substantial backlog again. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Peaks: economic theory or not?[edit]

Hi: Please see comment on Talk:Peak coal which also applies to your recent edits on other 'Peak....' Articles Gravuritas (talk) 15:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Gravuritas (talk) 15:05, 20 August 2016 (UTC)


Why are you removing Category:Generally Accepted Accounting Principles from so many articles? Jytdog (talk) 20:06, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

I see, because of this. Sorry Jytdog (talk) 20:08, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
No problem at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

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Proposal to rename category[edit]

Please see my proposal to speedily rename Category:Indian companies by year of establishment to Category:Companies of India by year of establishment per C2C (see Category:Companies by year by country) Hugo999 (talk) 02:18, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

I just (too little and too late)[edit]

discovered the discussion for deleting the category Category:Artworks surveyed by Save Outdoor Sculpture!, which was done mostly, as far as I could tell, because it was not verifiable. Actually (a word the means in my opinion) this is not true. Most, or all of the Save Outdoor Sculpture! material was, and is, collected by the Smithsonian Institute and shows upon their SIRIS website. So if you look at this somewhat randomly selected entry there [[2]] you will find in the "References" section, just like wikipedia, "Save Outdoor Sculpture, Pennsylvania, Philadelphia survey, 1993." Since the main reason for discontinuing the category proves to be false, whats next? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:49, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

  • * @Carptrash: First of all, please note that I did not close the discussion, I was 'just' a participant in the discussion. You should rather contact the closer User:SSTflyer about this. Second, the closer will probably recommend you to take this to WP:DRV. For reference, it's about this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:54, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll see where this leads me. I am also getting into, well, starting, this discussion Category:Sculptures by artist -well, on the talk page - and would welcome your insights. Carptrash (talk) 20:16, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

Natural experiment[edit]

I rewrote a section of the natural experiment entry to connect it better with econometrics. Iss246 (talk) 04:13, 24 September 2016 (UTC)


Hi, if you want to make a related nomination of Category:Arrowverse as stated in the CFD now relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 October 1, now would be a good time. Do insert it adjacent to the related discussion. – Fayenatic London 21:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Category:Unclean vocalists[edit]

Hi there. I noticed you do a lot of work with categories. I'm fairly unfamiliar with categories so I'm hoping you may help me. Would you have a moment to look at a comment I left here regarding the category Category:Unclean vocalists? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:03, 8 October 2016 (UTC)

Updating Wikidata[edit]

Hi Marcocapelle, thanks for your ongoing help at CFD!

I noticed that you closed the CFD at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_October_7#Category:Uncracked_codes_and_ciphers. You noted that the user had already implemented the rename. As it happened, the user had only done the en-wiki side of the work, overlooking Wikidata. If you look at the old category Category:Uncracked codes and ciphers, you will see that it still has interwiki links. Would you like to edit the wikidata entry which currently links to that page, and (i) re-link it to the new name on en-wiki, (ii) rename the Wikidata page too?

When we move a category or other page (manually or by bot), Wikidata gets updated automatically. However, copy-paste moves leave the links at the old name.

This is a detail that goes above and beyond the call of duty at CFD, and might be picked up by a bot and changed eventually, but I find it satisfying to spot and fix such things – hope you do too. However, if you don't have the time or inclination, that would also be fair enough. Best wishes – Fayenatic London 14:32, 27 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia usage conventions[edit]

Please look at my recent edits to First differencing approach to instrumental variables. Note that:

  • One should not indiscriminately italicize everything in non-TeX mathematical notation. Variables are italicized; digits and punctuation are not, and capital Greek letters are not (since TeX and LaTeX don't capitalize them.
  • Generally one should link to singular noun phrases such as instrumental variable rather than to plurals. You can write [[instrumental variable]]s and the reader will see "instrumental variables" as a clickable link and clicking on it leads to the singular title instrumental variable.
  • Ranges of pages should have an en-dash, not a hyphen, thus pp. 277–298 is correct and pp. 277-298 is not.
  • It should be made clear to the lay reader at the outset when general subject area the article is about. This opening sentence does not do that: "When endogeneity is a concern in a dynamic panel data framework, it is possible to exploit the panel data structure of the data to deal with this issue." In prepended the words "In econometrics, . . . .
  • The title phrase should be set in bold at its first appearance in the article, usually in the first sentence (but this need not always be verbatim identical to the article's title).

Michael Hardy (talk) 00:17, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for making these improvements and for your elaborate explanation. Please note - in case you might have thought so - that I haven't written this article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:23, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

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A CFD you closed[edit]

There is actually a consensus to upmerge this[3] to People from Powell County, Montana. Just merging it to the town article is going to cause another AFD because Helmsville, population 26, only has those two entries....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:57, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

  • @WilliamJE: Thanks for checking, you are completely right. I'll correct it. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 23 November 2016 (UTC)
    • It was an odd CFD so an error was easy to make. When a occupation category is merged, it normally goes into the town. When nominating the category for merging, I noted that Helmville was a small community and that Powell County would be more appropriate. Now I am to nominate the category Helmville for deletion since the category's only content is the town. I didn't know about the town category till today....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 20:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

CFD key word missing[edit]

Hi, did you omit to state an opinion about your desired outcome at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 October 24#Category:Devourment compilation albums? – Fayenatic London 08:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Recategorization of statistical data[edit]

I think you are going a bit overboard with moving everything from Category:Statistical data to Category:Statistical data types.

The latter category is a reasonable fit for e.g. categorical vs. continuous vs. discrete. But an outlier is not a data type; and e.g. Category:Statistical outliers‎ most lists methods, not data types. Chire (talk) 10:19, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

JMP categories[edit]

I noticed you removed a couple parent categories. I reviewed the guidelines on categories and understand why.

For reference, the categories in question are as follows:

Statistical Software (parent category)
Data analysis software (child category)
Data mining and machine learning software (sub-sub category)

In this particular case, I think the parent category Data Analysis Software is more on-target than the child category Data Mining and Machine Learning. Is it ok for me to swap them out? There would still only be one category from this hierarchy. CorporateM (Talk) 15:04, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Why math: moments for kurtosis?[edit]

The change of the category from the Theory of probability distributions to Moment (mathematics) seemed officious and inappropriate. Kurtosis certainly is more statistical than mathematical. Changing it to a math category makes it seem like it is not as applicable as otherwise. Why did you do this? What is your logic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:45, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Actually, I thought the original "Theory of probability distributions" was a better summary of the content of the page than either. "Moment" is very limited. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:51, 16 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Theory of probability distributions is still the parent category. And moment as a category is not very limited, as there are over 20 articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:48, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Accounting/taxation categories[edit]

Hi there, I saw a note on my watchlist that you had removed articles like fiscal year from Category:Financial accounting, so I've been investigating. It seems like you added Category:Corporate taxation to the financial accounting category, and then removed financial accounting from many articles, apparently using automated tools. I don't think you should have done this, or maybe you meant to do something different. As my example, fiscal year has much broader accounting implications than just on corporate taxation: it really should appear on the top level of the financial accounting category page, and probably not in any subcategory. I'm going to be out for a bit but if you need help working through a categorization scheme for the corporate taxation subtopic I'd be happy to help, or you might be interested in asking at the Accounting task force. Cheers. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:59, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

  • You're right that Fiscal year is broader than just about taxation. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:03, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho[edit]

Thanks, have a merry Christmas too! Marcocapelle (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Merry Christmas and happy holidays![edit]

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User Intent AfD[edit]

Hi, need your help explaining that "User Intent" or "Query Intent" is a real SEO term / CRO term

Article for Deletion Discussion Page:

Thanks! JoseRolles (talk) 08:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Natural experiment[edit]

Truth in advertising. I had placed the category econometrics at the bottom of the natural experiment page. Some econometrics research involves natural experiments. I wondered why you deleted the econometrics category from that WP entry. You may very well be justified. I would like to know why you think the category should be deleted. Thanks very much. Iss246 (talk) 22:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Natural experiments may be conducted in any academic study, not specifically in econometrics. It might have been a different issue if the article would have had a special section about natural experiments in econometrics, but that's not the case. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:11, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

A feature article or category for Van Leeuwenhoek's revolutionary discoveries[edit]

Hi, I created Category:Microscopic organisms described by Antonie van Leeuwenhoek page, do you think it useful? Compare with Category:Constellations listed by Ptolemy. I know that you created Category:Constellations of Petrus Plancius page. Thanks. zingvin (talk) 15:01, 3 Jan 2017 (UTC)

  • This is weird, although I agree that the new category name is better, why hasn't it been renamed through a WP:CFD process? That would have saved a lot of manual work and would have been more transparant. Probably you don't know the answer either. Anyway, back to your question, as said previously this looks like a borderline zone for categories and you should be prepared that someone nominates the new category for deletion; a list would definitely work better. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:12, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC opened at Wikipedia talk:User categories#Request for comment on our proposed policy for users remaining in redlinked categories[edit]

As a participant in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2016 December 22#Category:People paid by Big Pharma to schill and related discussions, you may be interested in participating in the RfC that addresses one of the main issues brought up in that discussion. Thanks, VegaDark (talk) 22:45, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

fully understand[edit]

where you are coming from - and it will probably surface at some point, the issue at this stage is how to work through some draft ideas, no big deal. It might not happen for a while. If and when, I will let you know JarrahTree 08:37, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

January 2017[edit]

A page you created has been nominated for deletion as an attack page, according to section G10 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

Do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia, and users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pepperbeast (talkcontribs)

Speedy deletion declined. BethNaught (talk) 22:33, 17 January 2017 (UTC)


I'm very concerned by the edits of this editor on 16-18 January, & may take the matter to ANI. He has done large numbers of edits removing "bad behaviour" cats (persecution, massacres, violence etc.) when done by Christians and/or to Muslims, and added similar numbers of stuff done to Christians and/or by Muslims. Some are no doubt justified under OCAT duplications but many seem not to be, and the sectarian trend seems clear from looking at them en masse. From his user page he says he is an Arabic-speaking Christian. What do you think? Johnbod (talk) 03:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

  • @Johnbod: Did you discuss with him directly? That should be done before taking anything to ANI. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:49, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Well he did not discuss with me anything, and assuming my edit's to be sectarian trend because of my background or for being "Arabic-speaking Christian" is wrong, i have nothing against Muslims. I completed the User:Marcocapelle edit's the redundant category. for example many articles had two Categories of both :Persecution of Muslims and Violence against Muslims or category:Persecution of Muslims and category:Persecution of Ottoman Muslims, so what i did was removed parent category or change it to more specific one, the same edit that user Marcocapelle have done, or replacing the category in articles about acts that done to Christians and/or by Muslims to Category:Persecution by Christians by Muslims, the same edit that user Marcocapelle have done, to redundant category and related to more specific category, or when we have article that have two Categories as :Persecution by Christians and Christianity and violence, so what i did was removed parent category, so maybe in some articles i have removed by mistake or by inattentiveness a category that should stay inside the article, you can revert my edit. meanwhile User Xenophrenic did remove all articles form the Category:Persecution by atheists and leave it empty.--Jobas (talk) 09:15, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I've looked at a number of your edits, and several of them make no sense of that basis. The overall trend seems clear. Johnbod (talk) 10:03, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Here is some examples of my edit: removed already has the sub-cat category persecution of Ottoman Muslims, here anther example redundant cat; already has the sub-cat Crypto-Islam, or here redundant cat; already has the sub-cat Anti-Muslim violence in India or redundant cat; already has the sub-cat persecution of Ahmadis or redundant cat; already has the sub-cat Violence against Muslims, while here I removed [Category:Persecution of Muslims since the article is about a comedy-drama action film, that discuses the Islamophobia. I don't think this kind of edit's are sectarian edit or anti-Islam, I did not removing "bad behaviour" cats (persecution, massacres, violence etc.) I redundant category; that already has sub-category that fit in the same subject. again if in some articles i have removed by mistake or by inattentiveness a category that should stay inside the article, you can revert my edit or you can corrective me in the wrong edit that I have done so I can revert it.--Jobas (talk) 11:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
  • @Johnbod and Jobas: I'm happily sharing my talk page to facilitate the discussion. Johnbod, can you give some examples of edits that you think were really wrong, and/or could you react on Jobas' comment above? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:52, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Yes, obviously it's fiddly. Johnbod (talk) 18:09, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Marcocapelle. User:Jobas left the following note for you at the CfD page. I'm not sure why he/she thinks they need a messenger. Xenophrenic (talk) 03:33, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

  • User:Marcocapelle, please kindly inform User:Xenophrenic that it is inappropriate to refactor my comments and omit important information from them. This censors my perspective and does not give me opportunity to voice my concerns. I would be grateful for this gesture. Thanks.--Jobas (talk) 00:17, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Category:Civil awards and decorations of Indonesia[edit]

Hello, Thanks for all your help closing out Categories for Discussion. I think this category might have been missed after closure though. (If you're still in the middle of this, I'm not trying to rush you!) RevelationDirect (talk) 23:32, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

Problematic churches categories[edit]

As initiated here, there are plenty to go through. The user has created countless categories for villages (!) and listed them at Category:Churches by city.--Zoupan 09:26, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Proposal to upmerge Category:20th-century reformed church buildings[edit]

I have moved this proposal from Speedy to Full Discussion ; seeWikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2017_January_31#20th-century reformed church buildings Hugo999 (talk) 04:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Comment misplaced?[edit]

I think that the comment you added, you accidentally added in the wrong place. -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Ottoman history cat etc[edit]

Hello Marco, would you mind leaving a comment here? Thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 16:16, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

A cupcake for you![edit]

Choco-Nut Bake with Meringue Top cropped.jpg "No consensus"? How diplomatic of you. Nevertheless, the closure of the Constitution CFD was the right thing to do. Took some courage to stand up to unsubtle bullying. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:55, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
Very diplomatic indeed given the 75% result against renaming. Let's just hope the nom doesn't get any ideas about trying again in future. AusLondonder (talk) 23:12, 17 February 2017 (UTC)


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History vs year categories[edit]

Hi, I see you have been busy categorizing history articles for Lithuania, Poland, etc... I disagree with an edit like this. I understand there is a policy on (grand)parent categories, but such edits really hurt navigation of history categories. The Category:History of Lithuania (1918–40) category was a holding place for historically significant events of that period. I have used it to get an idea of significant stuff happening in a particular country in a given period. Now, the significant historical event is buried down somewhere in year categories that contain a lot of random stuff with much less historical significance (e.g. football matches). If you don't know exactly which year the event occurred, you will have issues finding it. I really don't think that's right. Renata (talk) 18:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

  • @Renata3: By the same reasoning someone else would put football matches in the higher category, dependent on personal preferences about what's important in life. The higher categories are really meant to find overview articles that cover most or the entire period of that category. If everyone would put single events there, the overview articles would become impossible to find. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2017 (UTC)


@Xenophrenic and Jobas: After this discussion has been closed it would make sense if I would renominate the category at some point in time for rename and purge as suggested by the closer of the discussion. Do you have any tips for me how to handle this successfully? Marcocapelle (talk) 13:12, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

There is a current discussion initiated by User:John Carter that covers the renominate all categories relevant to religious/atheistic persecution. it would be prudent if Xenophrenic participated in the discussion created by User:John Carter instead of keeping edit warning. Thank you and have a nice day.--Jobas (talk) 13:31, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the tip! Marcocapelle (talk) 13:40, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

Category:3rd century in Great Britain[edit]

What do you think about this series of categories? GB didn't exist of course as a state. So strictly speaking it ought to be "Category:3rd century in Britannia". Or, at a stretch, it could be made to fit the island, though I'm not entirely comfortable with that solution. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:15, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

  • @Laurel Lodged: Probably the creator of the category had the whole island in mind (as the header indicates) which is fair enough. Since Brittannia is an exonym, it wouldn't make too much sense to use this term in a category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about the island scope Marco. By the time you get to Category:18th century in Great Britain, there is definite blurring going on. The state is the majority of the articles (i.e. they include the island of Ireland). And isn't it suspicious that the structure ends in the 18th century, precisely at the time of the creation of the successor state, the UK? Secondly, is Brittannia any more of an exonym than the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for the conquered peoples of modern Ukraine? Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:46, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
@Laurel Lodged: You're right there is a problem in relation to the 18th century. In the ancient centuries, must we have an umbrella category on top of England, Wales and Scotland, or can we perhaps live without that layer? Marcocapelle (talk) 23:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC)