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I spotted this somewhere else and links on this template could still be usefull. I also intend to look into how this template is made. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 22:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Babel template problem

Languages

Problem

On my wiktionary user page Babel works, on User:Marjan_Tomki_SI currently does not.

On SI Wikipedia user page result is currently erratic:

It works anywhere on user talk page, and only when before all text on main user page.

Here I had let it stay even while it didn't work (because I might need to troubleshoot if I need to elaborate on computer languages I know), but recently did a bit of troubleshooting on si homepages, and intend to do that here also, and compare results.

Test and results

Part of the problem seem to be that {{[[Template:Babel|Babel]]|en-3|sl|hr-4|sr-4|it-1|de-1|fr-2}} somewhere got excess word Template in code here, which doesn't exist in Wiktionary where {{Babel|en-3|sl|la-2|hr-4|sr-4|bs-4|cnr-4|mk-1|cs-1|pl-1|ru-1|it-1|fr-2|de-1}} Babel works.
So there seem to be two things mixed in one: a link to documentation on Babel and actual use of it: {{Babel|en-3|sl|hr-4|sr-4|it-1|de-1|fr-2}}. Mixed together that doesn't work, when separated as here (before deactivation after succesful test) it does: the result was shown in section where template call was positioned.

Fix also works on main en userpage

So I am deactivating the test Babel template call here with noviki to remove unnecesary redundancy, but leave it to document the problem and solution.

I am not sure how exactly that two pieces of code got combiened, but suppose it got generated somehow, probably by a script that is now already fixed.

There is stil a different result in sl wikipedia, where babel seem to work only on top of user page, so I'll notify staff there and see what they'll say.

Fixed that at sl WP also late in previous year.

Problems still outstanding: some of languages not recognized in some language Wikipedias. Reason unknown at the moment.

Official languages in UK and Wales

@Martinevans123: - Talk:Wales#Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2021 and official languages of UK:

Sorry for not replying earlier.

I am not regularly on interent, and even when I am I sometimes focus on task(s) at hand, and recover broad focus (sometimes much) later. When I wrote that comment I was at probably into 4 levels of blackbox troublehooting:

1. studying and documenting comunications/hw/sw behaviour on a system with random problems during normal use (for testing of which I used work on WP)
2. within that, documenting some inter language and wikidata anomalies (how it should be used, and what might be user, help/tutorial, or WD implementation related problems, when behavimg funny)
3. for that, studying Wales in WP and WD in paralel, to see how a good example of a geographic item works with WikiData when (hopefully) done right, and how Wikidata info should show in articles in other languages
4. that's why perusing en WP contents was quaternary (or so) level of focus at the time, but If I saw a link would be welcome/necessary in article, I added it
5. how what I wrote was writen, was low priority (and spell checker might be not working because of hw etc. problems, or even not installed in particular browser, and me with no free processing power to look over language would be not reliable there); see line below
6. that's why I also added info to talk page on what changes I did at Wales, so that someone else might check my work

At the time I was focussed on #1 and did the rest at descending priority of peripheral multitasking.

Official languages statement in Wales article

I later looked a bit into section Talk:Wales#Semi-protected edit request on 26 March 2021 and into langages of Wales and languages of UK and saw, that it seems (I didn't peruse sources) no oficial language is specified in regulations within UK in general, except in Wales.

When at high school about 1965-1970 (I hope I translated school type accordingly) my (now deceased) teacher of English, who was a polyglotte, told us about his problems in securing language materials for Basque, Breton, Welsh, Cornish, Irish, (Gaelic) Scotish and Mannsh. What I remember is, that you could get Basque and Breton dictionary and grammar with no problem in London, but could get beaten if you asked for the rest on the list in London, and could get materials for last five with no problem in Paris, but could get beaten if you asked in Paris for dictionary and grammar books for Breton of Basque.

I don't think getting beaten was codified anywhere, so there was probably no de iure official language, bat according to what I remember, there seem to have had been a de facto official language. Also, I am pretty sure situation changed with time a lot. I have also some experience with other historically (ocasionally deadly) problematic multilingual areas (Italy/Austria, Slovenia/Italy, Slovenia/Austria etc.), that currently mostly seem cooperating well. I also have available some WP reliable reference materal on how those things were before in some of those areas, but I don't think something like that directly applies to current UK situation (I am aware I lack current cultural UK context). That's why I just mentioned the sentence that was not clear to me.

After having read a bit around, the sentence I quoted is still misleading for a foreigner, and if that should be adressed in ...26 March 2021 section, I can move? copy? that statement and my observation form adding links there, to continue discussion.

What do you suggest: copy? move? link(can/how can I link inside a page on arbitrary part of text/without making a section)?

If I can help I shall. --Marjan Tomki SI (talk) 22:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)