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Adoption[edit]

Hi Marcus, would you like to be my mentor. Also, I would like you to have a discussion at my talk page about me and I would like to see your opinions, thanks. --Goldenburg111 (talk) 17:51, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

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MfD nomination of Rodney Mason[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Rodney Mason[edit]

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Nomination of Rodney Mason for deletion[edit]

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Hillary Rodham Clinton move request[edit]

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Great American Wiknic 2014 - St. Louis[edit]

I'd like to invite you to add a Chicago event for the Great American Wiknic. This year we're aiming to coalesce nationally around July 6, but any date that is convenient to your local community works as well. And don't be shy about putting something preliminary on the national Wiknic page, it all helps!--Pharos (talk) 16:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm thinking July 3rd, 4th or 5th would work best for us in St. Louis. It'll probably involve Fair Saint Louis in Forest Park and a decent amount of non-editors. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 19:52, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
I just put up a link on the national Wiknic page to Wikipedia:Meetup/St. Louis, saying "under discussion". It would be great if you could update that page with any preliminary details to date or location (or even a range).--Pharos (talk) 19:13, 8 June 2014 (UTC)
Someone has put a new question up at Wikipedia:Meetup/St. Louis. It would be good to just pick a provisional date (whatever that is), so people visiting that page have some idea of what's going on.--Pharos (talk) 04:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Meetup/St. Louis[edit]

It says, "Wiknic 2013 is here!" Should that be 2014? I noticed you just updated it today, but it still says 2013. Wasn't sure if you were announcing a new event, or correcting last year's entry.—    Bill W.    (Talk)  (Contrib)  (User:Wtwilson3)  — 12:24, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Bill. I just updated it per your suggestion. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 05:56, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Commas[edit]

As I stated in my reversion move, there is no consensus to insert commas into the disambiguation links for Australian footballers. If you read the (as always) fairly limited discussion that lead to the "always use commas" line being inserted into the WP:NCPDAB, there was limited consensus for the use of commas where the disambiguator was an occupation, as opposed to the sport. There was also no consensus to apply it retrospectively. What you and User:Tanbircdq are doing is a complete waste of time and unless you are going to go back and fix up the template and other links to all of these articles you are taking the project backwards. Please do not commas into the name of any articles under WP:AFL project. We already have 100% consistency across our project and are quite happy where we are at the moment. Regards, The-Pope (talk) 10:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd be happy to change back the AFL edits. Is this what you want me to do? Also just so you know, links shouldn't be retargeted if they aren't immediately an issue. See: WP:NOTBROKEN. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 10:39, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
If there is limited consensus for the use of commas where the disambiguator is an occupation, as opposed to the sport then should not an RfC be raised on this issue to get this amended as this would be misleading and causes further inconsistency is article creation and moves.
If your project is consistent which you are all happy with, does this mean the use of the other format is inconsistent?
By the way how do Australian footballers differ from any other subject? Tanbircdq (talk) 11:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Like almost every RFC that aims for consistency, it means that any area that was already consistent, correct, unambiguous and just fine, can be made inconsistent because editors from that area either weren't consulted, weren't aware of the discussion or weren't listened to. The problem with moving articles, but leaving links, specifically template links, pointing to the redirect is that the article doesn't show up in bold in the navbox anymore. If you read the original "conformity" discussion, you see numerous people saying "comma's are OK if it makes sense, ie Politician born 1888 makes sense, Ice hockey born 1988 needs a comma. And of course it was a multi-faceted discussion, so plenty of people focused on born vs b. and ignored the comma issue. I'm pretty sure brevity and being concise used to be in the dab guidelines, but seem to have been removed, but it's weird to say "try to avoid using abbreviations or anything containing hyphens, dashes or numbers" and then force an unnecessary commas. I understand that you are just following a guideline (and remember guidelines aren't rules), but there was never any instruction or desire to force this change on existing articles. And what makes Australian footballers different? Not much, other than we have 150 footballer born XXXX articles and until recently none had commas. 8 do now. If I'm fighting a losing battle, I've got much more important things to worry about than a superfluous comma. Carry on, just don't leave too big a mess behind you. The-Pope (talk) 12:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
I only started doing the moves after a move I made to remove the comma on a footballer's article was reverted back.
I agree with your opinion that (occupation born XXXX) e.g (Politician born 1888) makes sense, and (sport, born XXXX) e.g (Ice hockey, born 1988) clearly needs a comma. I really think greater clarity on WP:NCPDAB is needed to avoid any future problems or conflicts with consistency. Tanbircdq (talk) 12:46, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Our 150 footballers without a comma are nothing compared to the amount of round ball footballers without a comma. So, look forward to having a similar discussion with the people from WP:FOOTY such as User:GiantSnowman when they notice what's going on. You can read his thoughts on the "consensus" here. And the "you don't have to move them all" discussion was just above that one. The-Pope (talk) 14:07, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── My take on the matter - and this discussion needs centralizing by the way - is that the preferred format (in sport) is without the comma; from what I remember the change was driven by cricket editors who used that format, whereas other sports editors (such as soccer, like myself) wanted it without a comma, as shown by the thousands and thousands of articles which still use that format. But it's such a relatively minor thing and I am just happy to go with the flow. GiantSnowman 18:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Sorry the picnic didn't come together. Looks like the weather isn't cooperating either! Thanks for organizing though, and hope to see you again another time . . . --Elonka 14:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I think everyone just needs a break from each other. We'll try again in the fall. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry I forgot to answer - was away. Thanks for trying to get this together. Parkwells (talk) 19:04, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd planned on coming to Faust Park this morning to interview you and any other attendees present for a story I was going to write for a journalism class I'm taking this summer. Since the event was canceled, could I interview you over the phone instead? Pete Kahn

Hey, I'd love to! Is it possible we could still meet sometime this week? Thurs. and Fri. might not be possible. I live near Webster Groves, but I could meet anywhere. I'm just awful at phone conversation. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 04:01, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

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You talking to me?[edit]

Not sure whether to start with shallow or deep background... I'm philosophically inclined to go deep first, so I'll start there.

I think we are philosophically aligned and that most of the so-called Wikipedians would agree with my philosophy that most people are mostly good. Therefore giving them an opportunity to do good things, such as share their personal knowledge, is also good. I'm less clear how much we would agree on bad behaviors and whether or not evil exists as a motivation. I think Wikipedia seems to be hung up on a peculiar notion of "vandalism" as a key "sin", whereas I'm more focused on economic incentives. I see technology as morally neutral, but if some people see ways to make a few bucks by abusing any particular technology, then you have to expect some abuse. If you want to get at the heart of economically motivated abuse, then you need to go after the money. (There are non-economic motivations, too, but those are more difficult to address. Perhaps impossible within a NPOV model.)

Funny point of unity there. This reasoning led me to stop using Wikipedia some months ago, because I feel like using Wikipedia is supporting a naively criminal enterprise. However I decided to visit a few days ago because you were asking for money (as noticed on a friend's computer when called over to see an article on Wikipedia).

That leads right into the shallow background. In response to seeing your plea for donations, I decided to visit Wikipedia. Perhaps things had improved during my extended absence? Evidently not so much. During my brief visit, I discovered that you [Mark S] had tried to send me some kind of message via your Talk page. Perhaps you had some comment regarding my concerns about the flagrant criminals who are abusing Wikipedia? I should at least give it polite consideration, eh? Perhaps I could even map my concerns into your conception of "vandalism"? So I followed the link to your Talk page, where I could find no trace of any message directed to me.

Well, the next step seemed to be to ask you what it was about, but I was blocked. Not personally, though it was rather difficult to determine that, but because at that time I was associated with an IP address that was included in a block of IP addresses that Wikipedia had blocked over a year ago. Therefore I initiated the appeal process, which was quickly rejected by some administrator named jpgordon. From the comment associated with his rejection, it is pretty clear he doesn't know or care about what is actually going on. From a technical perspective, I'm also sure he is incorrect--but why should I care? (To send you this comment, I obviously went around your so-called block. Since the block was obviously a mistake and a bug in your so-called defenses, the evasion was trivial. I was being polite to "respect" it until I obtained additional information.)

Back on deep background again, but for an organization that says it wants to encourage broad participation, I have to conclude that Wikipedia has a really peculiar way of showing it. I don't think you need more participation from criminals and less participation from people who don't like criminals. Apart from my dislike of criminals, I could even contribute from a technical perspective, since I work for a research lab. But I won't. My current opinion of Wikipedia is that you are a bunch of well-intentioned folks, but with a rather weak grasp of reality, so the entire enterprise will probably crash and burn fairly soon.

Okay, so much for the background. Do you have any recollection of what your comment directed to me was? I'll try to visit Wikipedia again in a week or two to check for any response. However, the bottom line is that I sort of wish Wikipedia well, I definitely wish the criminals ill, and I'm extremely unlikely to donate any time or money.

P.S. Your name might be German. If so, then nationalistic congratulations on your hard-fought victory in this morning's World Cup final. Shanen (talk) 01:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

The conversation you are referring to has been archived, so all is not lost (link). Feel free to continue that thread here.
Is my identity being used for fundraising on Wikipedia?? I hope not! Mark Schierbecker (talk) 12:34, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

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Mizzou Arena[edit]

The section I removed was very promotional "fully cushioned theatre-style seats" and "offering full food and drink service, televisions and other comforts" are examples. It was directly advertising the Tiger Scholarhip Fund, the Clinton Club bar, the concession stands, and the Tiger Team store and mention of the private boxes and meeting room is probably to encourage payment for their usage. None of this is remotely encyclopedic. Edward321 (talk) 01:06, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Your experience with Adopt-a-user[edit]

Hello Mark Schierbecker,

I am working on a project to support the development of current and future newcomer mentorship programs on Wikipedia.

Because you recently participated in Adopt-a-user, I would like to interview you about your experience in this program.

If you are interested, please email me at gmugar [at] syr.edu and hopefully we can find a convenient time to conduct an interview via Skype or Google hangout.

Thanks,

Gabrielm199 (talk) 14:56, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Sounds interesting! Unfortunately I don't do too well over video chats, let alone phone calls. Best of luck. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 05:06, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
How about an interview over IRC? Gabrielm199 (talk) 21:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
That would be good. A text chat over Google Hangouts would be even better. Sometime this weekend? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Great! Unfortunately this weekend will not work for me. How does Monday after 17:00 UTC look for you? Gabrielm199 (talk) 22:25, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
Monday 17–19:00 would be best. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 03:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi Mark, I also work with Gabe, and I can conduct this interview. Unfortunately, I'm a little tied up today to interview you today. Is there another time during the week that might work well? We can definitely still meet over IRC. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Anytime Tues. would be the absolute best. Thurs. before 5pmCST could also work. Email me. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:37, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Freenode IRC[edit]

Hi Mark. Here are links to the IRC:

I, JethroBT drop me a line 17:30, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

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Page moves[edit]

Hi. I wonder if you could tell me why you moved the articles Scottish religion in the eighteenth century to Scottish religion in the 18th century and Scottish religion in the eighteenth century to Scottish religion in the 18th century, and other changes associated with them, given that WP:CENTURY states that: "Centuries and millennia are identified using either figures (the 18th century, not XVIII century) or words (the second millennium)". These are perfectly valid titles ‎and it is not normal to change a valid system without some very good reason, usually discussed on the talkpage of the relevant articles first. Thanks.--SabreBD (talk) 07:00, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Thanks for the message. It looks like that was changed recently by my time scale. So I haven't yet caught or acclimated to that. Can I get back to you on this soon? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 07:47, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Sure, no problem. It has been there for some time I think. Could you pm on my page if it is a while, as I might not be looking too carefully at your talkpage. All the best.--SabreBD (talk) 16:44, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I found the original discussion that led to the change. I don't have strong arguement either way besides the fact that it is a lot easier for me to read. That is probably one that could be tried in a general policy change proposal, but not one implemented piecemeal. Should I go ahead and revert for now, or what do you think, User:Sabrebd? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 02:41, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I would be grateful if you would revert. The longer version is my preference, but I agree it may need some wider discussion in the end to resolve this. Many thanks.--SabreBD (talk) 08:00, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Just to say thanks for the revert.--SabreBD (talk) 06:51, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Upcoming event at the WWI Museum in Kansas City[edit]

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Happy Valentine's Day!!![edit]

Happy Valentine's Day, to you and yours! Cheers, Grinding, grinding, grinding... what are we finding, finding, finding... (talk) 23:42, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Bryan Bieber/Filament Productions[edit]

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Would you like to adopted me?[edit]

Hi Schierbecker! I saw you on Adpot-an-editor program page. I was wondering if you would like to become my Wikipedia dad and adopted me as an editor? Cheers. CookieMonster755 (talk) 00:47, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Happy Easter![edit]

All the best! "Carry me down, carry me down; carry me down into the wiki!" (talk) 23:14, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Rodham Clinton - Move Discussion[edit]

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New question raised regarding Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request[edit]

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Moving pages[edit]

Hi. Thanks for your work on maintaining standards in article names. I see that you moved a number of Cleveland-related pages, citing WP:USPLACE as a rationale. I'm afraid you've misinterpreted the guideline in this instance. The second paragraph in the section notes that the comma convention does not apply to cities listed in the AP Stylebook, and Cleveland is among those cities. Please consider moving the pages back. Thanks. - Eureka Lott 16:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

  • facepalm* Yep, I messed up. I somehow forgot Cleveland was on that list. I cleaned it back up. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 05:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
That's great. Thanks for fixing it. - Eureka Lott 14:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Mizzou Arena[edit]

I know you're probably as exhausted about the topic as I am, but Eodcarl is asking for comments about a consensus to remove the Paige Sports Arena information from the lede and infobox of the article on the talk page, and is stubbornly refusing to let any editors know to comment (their first attempt at proposing the removal basically started out as combative and I refused to comment on it and they tried to take that as an OK to remove). Any opinion you could render would be welcomed. Nate (chatter) 01:33, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Moving Hillary articles[edit]

Hi. Please move United States Senate career of Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State back to their previous titles. The main article RM close explicitly did not resolve the case of the various subarticles. Nor were these two even proposed in that RM. Discussions of some subarticles are ongoing – see Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request #Other articles that were proposed to be moved – but these two haven't been included in that. Since much of the argument in the main RM discussion revolves around current use in the 2016 presidential campaign, these two subarticles involve past timeframes and clear use by her of the HRC form. So these need to be discussed on a case-by-case basis. Thanks. (I do see that you already moved back List of books by or about Hillary Rodham Clinton.) Wasted Time R (talk) 11:35, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Good point. I agree that if there was (and still is) a strong inclination to use HRC to refer to Clinton in that time of her life, then Wikipedia should reflect that. It seems like it would be hard to prove either way. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 15:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
People will make arguments for this both ways, but as you no doubt know there are strong feelings on this matter and it needs a discussion on a case-by-case basis. So you need to move those two articles back to where they were, pending those discussions. Thanks. Wasted Time R (talk) 15:42, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Wasn't trying to stall. :) Just got distracted with another mess. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Seeking an Adopter[edit]

Hello Mark,

I've been asked to create a Wikipedia page for a software company that has developed application security testing software. It's an interesting product that grew out of research and funding from the Department of Homeland Security. Here is a link to their website: http://codedx.com/. Would you be interested in helping me through the process of creating a Wikipedia page?

Thank You

Johnmchugh2 (talk) 13:44, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

That sounds interesting. It is isn't something I totally understand, but I'm willing to help. Would you please read WP:FINANCIALCOI before we go any further? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:16, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

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Adopt me![edit]

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You rock[edit]

Had that video camera been in my hands, they would have been shaking so hard. For staying calm under pressure, having Tim Tai's back, and defending our First Amendment: thank you. Jonathunder (talk) 05:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Shaking then? I'm shaking *now*. There have been well over 300,000 views so far. Terrifying. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 09:49, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I haven't signed on for months, but I want to echo Jonathunder's remarks. Wishing you the best and hoping things calm down on campus. Cheers, Lord Roem ~ (talk) 23:09, 10 November 2015 (UTC)
I, too, want to thank Mark and Tim Tai for their courage: for standing your ground, the ground for all of us who care about that complex bundle of obligations and privileges spelled out in the Constitution. – Athaenara 10:54, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, all of you :). Mark Schierbecker (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas, Mark[edit]

And may your holidays be merry and bright . . . . Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 06:47, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

Photo request[edit]

Hello. According to this article in the Missourian, a building at 121 South Tenth Street in the Downtown Columbia Historic District will be demolished, perhaps as soon as next month. Could you get some photos while it still stands? Jonathunder (talk) 06:49, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

I sure can. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 08:47, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

MacBook Air photo nominated for deletion (Template:User MacBook Air)[edit]

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Sargon of Akkad[edit]

Hi Mark, You are aware that a discussion is going on on concerning the deletion of the Sargon of Akkad (YouTube)-article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sargon of Akkad (YouTube)? Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 19:51, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

I saw. I'll weigh in later. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 00:35, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I did my best to improve the article. Now the next step is yours. Jeff5102 (talk) 17:32, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

St. Louis Wiknic 2016[edit]

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I was active on Wikipedia years ago under a (now abandoned) username. The guidelines seem to have changed since then and I feel a need a bit of guidance as I am becoming slightly confused nowadays.

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Archived article[edit]

Hi Mark, I saw that one of the media pieces listed on your userpage was tagged dead link. Did you know it was archived? - Brianhe (talk) 21:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh my gosh, thank you! I've been looking for this. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 09:24, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

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New deal for page patrollers[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Human diet[edit]

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Leninsky Komsomol class of cargo ships[edit]

  • I am author of this article and can be you better know which name is correct. But I understand, for example, when "Kolomna-class" due to one word in the name of class. Here "Leninsky Komsomol-class" can be written as "Komsomol-class" by anybody and the word Leninsky cound be understood separately, - Komsomol-class of Lenin = Leninsky Komsomol-class. Or can be better "Leninsky Komsomol"-class. Any how you better know and you can give order to change as per you above mentioned requirement if it is correct as my motherlanguage is not English. Many Thanks. Let me know your final desigion pls. Грищук ЮН (talk) 11:21, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
  • I changed already the name of article Kolomna class of cargo ships to Kolomna-class of cargo ships as it is clear to understand. Грищук ЮН Грищук ЮН (talk) 12:47, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
Responded at Talk:Leninsky Komsomol class of cargo ships. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

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Soldier Protection Demonstration[edit]

"stub. will expand".[1] It's been six years! Can this article be turned into something worthwhile? Felsic2 (talk) 17:47, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of 2015 clash between the media and racial protesters at the University of Missouri for deletion[edit]

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Moving over redirects[edit]

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And you clearly must have known that since have the page mover bit. This is why one should always check the contributions before leaving a note. Sorry for the extra talk page notification, was just trying to be helpful if you didn't know :) TonyBallioni (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2017 (UTC)
I thought for sure someone would contest that move! #disappointed. I've been more cautious about page moves ever since someone reversed MOS:YEAR after I had moved hundreds of pages to the YYYY-YY standard. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 03:21, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Carl Benjamin for deletion[edit]

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Heat Street[edit]

I noticed that you said that you are a reporter at Heat Street. I have identified that a lot of sources end up being considered unreliable on wikipedia simply for not having a written editorial policy on their website. Perhaps something you could suggest is clarified over at the site that could help with this issue. InsertCleverPhraseHere 10:58, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

It's an idea. I'm only freelancing for them at the moment, but I'm friends with one of their regular reporters. Hopefully some of the in-depth investigative journalism Heat Street is becoming known for will convince other Wikipedia editors the outlet is credible. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 11:33, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Editors here who argue RS generally won't consider a body of evidence convincing (which is pretty stupid I know), they want to be able to point to a page and quote the editorial policy. InsertCleverPhraseHere 19:22, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Humble Suggestion[edit]

May I suggest that you slow down your deletionist activity and add at least as much content as you delete from the wikipedia? Thanks, James Michael DuPont (talk) 00:53, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Which edits are problematic? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 02:48, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Highbeam[edit]

  • You need to enable an email acct to rec'v Highbeam.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 08:51, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • Lingzhi, sorry about that. I turned email off just yesterday to test something, but forgot to turn it back on. I re-enabled it. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 17:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
  • You've got mail. :-)  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 22:28, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Gateway Geyser/Martin Park[edit]

Hi, Mark, from a fellow WGHS and Mizzou grad! Regardless of how my move proposal turns out at Gateway Geyser, I also posted requests for more pictures, if you're interested. Specifically, pictures of the overlook, the statue, and the rest of the park, although maybe a view of the fountain from the overlook would be good, too. I would definitely take some photos there myself, but I'm still in Columbia and won't be getting to East St. Louis for a while. Thanks for contributing to the discussion, and for any other input! RM2KX (talk) 19:30, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

No problem, User:RM2KX. I'll probably pay a visit to the park around July 4th. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:20, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

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thx! Mark Schierbecker (talk) 01:19, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Tanks of X[edit]

What's your indication that Category:Tanks of Greece and other countries need to be produced in that country? Greece and the Phillipines etc. don't make tanks, so the result of this approach is that these categories will be emptied and then deleted. Shouldn't you make the case for that at Categories for Discussion first? Herostratus (talk) 07:09, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I strongly believe these are WP:TRIVIALCATs. Tanks that have a strong association with a place (i.e. place of manufacture) might merit a category to themselves. I was just reading this 2013 discussion about Gulf War categories that has informed the way I think about this. Tanks that just happened to serve in the Gulf War don't get a category all by themselves. Weapons designed specifically for that war might.
Incidentally as I write this I'm trying to decipher redlinks on my raw watchlist where the category was depopulated and then deleted w/o explanation: Category:Armoured fighting vehicles of Jordan, Category:Armoured fighting vehicles of Kuwait, Category:Armoured fighting vehicles of Peru Category:Main battle tanks of Canada. Most of these I created myself years ago and I have to agree now that most of these are undesirable. What do you think? Mark Schierbecker (talk) 07:37, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I don't know... you have a point and you may be right. Looking at the Sherman Tank, for instance... it was used by a whole lot of armies, and to add "Tanks of X" for all those countries to the article would overwhelm the other categories on that article page
On the other hand... taking it not from the perspective of the each tank but of each country, it's different. Category:Tanks of Greece only has a few entries, and of course none are designed or even made in Greece. So if we take out all those, the category is emptied, then deleted by a bot, and someone wanting to answer the reasonable question "What tanks has the Greek Army used" will harder time of it.
So hmmm... how to thread this needle. I'm not sure. We could make a list instead... that is considerable work. Categories are blunt instruments -- you are either in or not. Lists allow more subtleties ("Here are some they made themselves, here are ones they didn't but used a lot, here are some they used a little, here are some they modified for local conditions"). I don't know as I'm up for that level of commitment...
I do think that just taking out a few tanks here and there at random isn't maybe best... a by country approach rather than than a by tank approach might be best, maybe.
For instance Category:Tanks of Greece has had the M24 Chaffee removed, but it still has five entries -- Pattons, Leaopards, etc. So it's now even worse than it was -- in addition to being (arguably) trivial it is now incomplete. It should probably be left as it was or wiped clean. (Unless you're saying that Greek M24 Chaffee use was different -- less notable, maybe -- compared to these other five, which I don't think you are, or maybe you are?)
If we do want to empty out Category:Tanks of Greece and so forth, I'm not sure how this done, but wouldn't a discussion at Categories for Discussion be in order? Or maybe not, I don't know how it is done. Herostratus (talk) 16:43, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

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Future Combat Systems Manned Ground Vehicles[edit]

Hi Mark Schierbecker. It's easy to add attribution when copying from public domain sources: simply add the template {{PD-notice}} after your citation. I have done one in the above article. Please do this in the future so that our readers will be aware that you copied the prose rather than wrote it yourself. Thanks, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 13:35, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Diannaa. In the next few days I intend to resource and completely revise the article, so I may be removing that tag soon-ish. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 21:29, 14 May 2017 (UTC)