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Welcome to Wikipedia, Marrante! I am Reconsider the static and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Reconsider! 01:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Jacob (Resistance fighter)[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 6, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Franz Jacob (Resistance fighter), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Prisoner functionary[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Litten[edit]

RlevseTalk 18:03, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Excellent article, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the compliment! How've you been? Marrante (talk) 21:39, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Great! Doing many small things about singers and embarking on a Bach cantata a week - his pace. Writing from scratch or just expanding and bring to DYK. My favourite (and one of Bach's, btw): Erschallet, ihr Lieder, sung for my birthday 10 years ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for George E. Jonas[edit]

RlevseTalk 00:02, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Käthe Kollwitz[edit]

Hi, I removed the list of schools you recently added to this article. It is not our function to be a directory of external links. See our external links guideline as well as our policy that Wikipedia is not a directory and not an indiscriminate collection of information.

The rest of your work on this article has been stellar, keep it up :) ThemFromSpace 00:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment. I only put the list there because I was trying to demonstrate the statement (which was being questioned) that there were many schools named after her. I was kind of surprised at how many there were and even for cities right next to each other, like Dortmund and Essen. It was easier to do than trying to find a quote to cite. Marrante (talk) 09:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)


Regarding your question about the translation of "Listenverbindungen" in the article Urgent Call for Unity: what about "joined party lists"? All the best, Michael Bednarek (talk) 14:33, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. It was late and I was tired and I tried very hard to cobble something together that didn't sound like "joint candidate lists" but was so blindsided by Verbindung that I couldn't see my way clear. In those moments, I generally find something to nudge my thinking by poking around online, but nothing was helping me. Then yesterday, I thought maybe if I just restore the word, some pitying soul would come along and help me. In the meantime, I came up with "unified party lists" but was not logged on and in my mind, it was too close to what I had already written (not so) and that it would be very confusing to Americans, but today, I remembered an article I linked to once before and it will work here again, I think. Thanks for your help! Marrante (talk) 12:32, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

List of cities that have stolpersteine[edit]

The answer is "one citation per city". Information must always be verifiable; without verifiable sources for say, Unna, how exactly are we to tell that the article is accurate? Ironholds (talk) 12:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I'm putting my reply on your talk page. Marrante (talk) 12:14, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Replied there. Should we keep it in that one place for now? Ironholds (talk) 12:26, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Willi Eichler[edit]

RlevseTalk 00:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Urgent Call for Unity[edit]

RlevseTalk 00:03, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Armin Maiwald[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Nienover[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:03, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gary J. Aguirre[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

You did it!!! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:20, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
I know. Hard to believe, eh? That was harder than the Hans Litten article and I didn't even have to translate (well, unless you count "legalese" as a separate language, which I probably should). Marrante (talk) 20:44, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you should count that as a very difficult separate language and be proud! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:21, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Alexander Ferdinand Grychtolik again[edit]

Please keep watching him. Perhaps you can greet the new user and tell him a few basics? I am no longer in a position to do so, I'm afraid, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:10, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Uh-oh, sounds ominous. I'll have a look in a bit. Sort of racing around here at the moment. Marrante (talk) 21:14, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
Seems to be under control now. Probably someone new who didn't quite know the routine yet. I had a bit of a =:-o reaction when I first looked yesterday, though. (One of the few smileys I like and will occasionally use.) Marrante (talk) 20:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Reverted two more times. Could you greet him or her nicely , s.a.? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, seems to have helped, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
I hope so – and you're welcome. Marrante (talk) 17:07, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mark Pittman[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Schleifstein[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:03, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hugo Schneider AG[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Murphy (GATA chairman)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bart Chilton[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Give it another day and check the stats again; you may be pleasantly surprised! Good work! Yoninah (talk) 20:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James G. Rickards[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Nazi euthanasia centres[edit]

Hi Marrante. I had never heard of any of these terms either, until I did some research on google books to find out what English sources were using. I have a table in front of me of the results and have explained it on the talk page for Sonnenstein, although someone has now moved that to a name that gets no hits at all because he didn't like the spelling of "centre". The picture is not totally clear cut, but the term "Foo euthanasia institute/centre/facility/institution" is common enough. And "killing centre" is used too - although it is also used of concentration camps. You may not like the association of Nazis with euthanasia, but that is what they called it and what the sources call it, although many hasten to draw distinctions between what they practised and what most people mean by it today. We haven't renamed gas ovens or capital punishment simply because we don't like how people used them in the past. Bottom line is, it doesn't matter what we think - what do the sources call them? I may have overdone the capitalisation though - I need to check the sources again when I have more time. I'll also reference the naming. --Bermicourt (talk) 17:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Don't get too wound up about that. Did you check his talk page? Just revert what he did, like many others have apparently done. As for staying true to the Nazi names for things, I have two thoughts on that. "Final solution" has a ring to it that deprives it of being used without recalling the Nazi usage. The name Adolph is likewise forever damned, but the word "euthanasia" is not associated only with Nazism. On the contrary, "mercy killing" is even considered a valid choice by some. Translation has to convey an original source text, but sometimes, the target languge words have to be adjusted to retain the feeling of the original and I think this is a prime example. Tötungsanstalt has an in-your-face clarity, but "Euthanasia center/re" could be anything. It even sounds like it could be a serene place for ailing people to spend their last moments before departing from their loved ones. It's too euphemistic for me, unlike the matter-of-fact bluntness of the original. English is, of course, less blunt than German, but in the case of describing Nazi crimes, I think I prefer not beating around the bush. Marrante (talk) 20:21, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll have another look at naming by doing some more detailed research. I don't have an axe to grind; I just want to be sure I'm using valid and widely-used English terminology; albeit there doesn't appear to be a "right" answer. I have to say though that "killing centre" and "euthanasia something" have cropped up a lot in my research to date. I'm away soon, so it might be a while before I can get round to clearing it up, but at least the articles are started and can be built upon. Cheers. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lurma Rackley[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gloria Blackwell[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 06:04, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Ben Wilson (artist) expansion[edit]

Hi, well done with Ben Wilson (artist) - that's a great addition of extra content; nice one! Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:42, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Still working on it. It's a great story. Right up my alley. Marrante (talk) 10:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Arf! Yes, it's right up mine too - literally. I took the (not very good) photo in the article and Ben did a great painting for my daughter, though sadly I can't use it without his permission as it's the work in the photo is obviously his copyright not mine. I see him around from time to time, and nearly tripped over him once or twice, and admire him greatly. Cheers DBaK (talk) 10:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Love your user name, btw. That's maybe the second time I've LOL'd at one here. Well done! Marrante (talk) 10:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Ha, thanks! I used to be someone else looooong ago here but by the time I went away and came back and started editing again here I was pretty much all those things. I ought to add Old in there but i think DBaK reads better than ODBak, DOBaK, DBOaK etc! Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:02, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Just saw this was assessed as a stub, so I reassessed as C-class. I think it would help if another editor reassessed for B-Class. Viriditas (talk) 20:00, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William J. Toye[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tony Tetro[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Orli Wald[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for this one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wittorf affair[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 01:49, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Excellent, now on Germany, and Orli Wald hits updated, + 500. Tatiana von Metternich got me close to 5k for the first time. See my talk for some interesting qs, "Lo dicono" among others, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Julia Voss[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Cuno strikes[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Nice meeting "you" in a set of 3 Germans. - Completely different topic: another deletion discussed, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
I noticed that too! I'll check out the other in a bit. Marrante (talk) 07:26, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Allgemeiner Deutscher Gewerkschaftsbund[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elli Hatschek[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

So our married couples "made it" the same day, the one with the N-word of course attracting 5 times as many hits, congrats! The funeral was great, if I may say so, more on my talk. Bazon Brock spoke, well, deserves an article (de, nl), but I have real life duties now first. - Thanks for helping father Gárdonyi! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:22, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Congrats as well and thank you and you're welcome. That N-word is really something, eh? Like flies to honey. I was naturally hoping some attention would be drawn to the really significant article on Wehrkraftzersetzung, but no such luck. A smattering of hits was all. I don't have time (and may not even be able) to get it properly referenced, but I hoped some of the N-word "glow" from EH would trickle down, being that it was the actual (and only) crime EH was accused of. But no, I guess I did "too" sufficient a job of explaining it in her article. Marrante (talk) 11:35, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Truly unpredictable. I recently got a friend's List of stutterers, pipe-linked as "stammered", to 1.2k, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mårup Church[edit]

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Essinger[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks from me, and the flag is seen on P:DE - finally one since your last which is not "mine", I started feeling lonely, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome! Sorry, was away — and was writing other things, too (Mårup Church, for ex.). More later. Marrante (talk) 08:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
See "your" pic in French, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:05, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Bunce Court School[edit]

Congratulations on your new article, which I've now reviewed for DYK. I've mentioned a few points you may wish to respond to. --NSH001 (talk) 10:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Just got back, and found someone's promoted the article already. Don't worry, I wasn't intending to switch it to BrE in the near future - this is a very busy and exciting time for me on Wikipedia, as Chrissie is going to keep me up all night tomorrow! I can just feel it in my bones, that we could see something very, very special from her tomorrow. But we shall see. I have a long list of "to-do" items for her article, and would like get as much of it done as possible before she starts in the World Championship, which will cause a big spike in visitors to her article. At least I've now got the hardest bit out of the way with the article on Brett Sutton, a key figure in her career (hence my little visit to DYK). I think she is going to turn out to be the most outstanding female athlete of all time, anywhere, in any sport, and yet she gets almost no publicity in her home country. Strange. I can understand why you don't edit in BrE, and that's fine. I do do some editing in AmE - Ironman Triathlon is one such article. I would like, eventually, to turn Mark Allen and Dave Scott into Featured Articles, and they will have to be written in AmE. I think we Brits find it easier to code-switch, because we're exposed to a lot of AmE from early childhood, plus I've also lived and worked in the States. No doubt I will slip up occasionally, but I'm sure any such slip-ups will rapidly be corrected by U.S. readers. On the hook, I think the best one would be something along the lines of how the whole school had to move to escape the horrors of Nazi Germany, but I didn't/don't have enough spare time to draft such a hook. Anyway, best wishes, and thanks again for a fascinating article. --NSH001 (talk) 20:36, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
And thank you for your compliments and understanding my position on AmE and BrE. I just feel I'm too apt to slip up. Well, good luck on your sporting events! That's good motivation you have. I worked on an article some months ago, it was just a whim. What was there was in terrible shape and I spruced it up, not really thinking about anything, but it was about a very popular German children's television show and it had it's 40th birthday not long after I improved the article. That would have been a spike right there, but in honor of the day, they got a "Google doodle" (their special logos) and the spike was very noticeable! The German WP article was even more impressive, of course. So, good luck with articles! Marrante (talk) 20:54, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


Perhaps you can find a better or shorter title, my point was only to distinguish the article from other meanings. Apokrif (talk) 17:21, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

RE: DYK nomination of Ahmad Nady[edit]

Thanks. Glad people liked the article thanks to your amazing hook :-) Im working on another article, hope ppl find as interesting -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 17:55, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. Strike that "amazing" though, eh? It was just a simple statement of the salient point. Marrante (talk) 20:32, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
Listen, let me know if you are free and interested in expanding/writing about MENA activists/victims. I am gonna be busy and I need all the help I can get :-) -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 14:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)
I'm probably not going to be able to do much writing for you, but may be able to do some proofreading, though I'm going to have little or no Internet access for about a week. Marrante (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bunce Court School[edit]

Thanks from me and the wikiVictuallers (talk) 12:03, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

and from me, moving! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:13, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
And me too. I have added a few bits and bobs - your Bunce Court article lead me to Peter Morley, and thence to Kitty Hart-Moxon - all of which you made, I see. Well done you for all your fantastic efforts. (talk) 15:59, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Wrong end of the country for photos, sorry - but have found it on Google Earth (no idea how to put the coords up on Wiki). If you put 51 14 47.15 N, 0 46 37.44 E into the Google Earth search box it comes up. Looks like they've built a small housing estate in the grounds - shame. Still, that happens a lot with big houses these days. Lovely rural location and a beautiful house - no wonder the children (and teachers) loved it, despite the wartime hardships. (talk) 16:21, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Ah, too bad. Yeah, they have built on the grounds. The house is also now a residence (a "four-plex"). Alumni say they hardly recognize the place. That's in part why I didn't put a section on the building itself. No access to it, no proper photos, so I just left it for a later date. I'm still hunting things down, actually and wish you hadn't made all those changes just yet but I know you hadn't yet seen my note on the talk page. I'm going to restore the "British" before school inspector just for clarity. Don't forget that people read this from all over the world and not all of them speak English as a mother tongue (never mind the accent). Marrante (talk) 16:32, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry about making the Br Eng/Am Eng changes before I went to the talk page. That's the trouble when something is 'out there' rather than in user space, I suppose. Anyway, other people in the UK would probably have done as I did (it's very odd to read something on a UK subject written in American English - although I know that there's a massive German element to it too!), and I'd caution very gently that you must be careful about not getting into WP:OWN territory, so why not sooner rather than later? I took the British qualifier out for the inspector just because it seemed self-evident that when the school was based in England the inspectors would be British - they wouldn't have been German, given the situation. I didn't do that with reference to the possible readerships' location, just to remove what seemed unnecessary. But no worries if you feel it should go back in.
I'll leave the "British" out then. I was thinking of my own confusion at first, but it wasn't over nation of course, it was over whether or not it was a local inspection or a federal one. I wrote "British" because it was correct either way, but I guess it sounds silly if you can't peer into my head while reading it. As for "WP:OWN", well..... pooh. I don't work on "group" projects for a reason. It's hard to have other people mess with my writing, but a few deep breaths and I'm okay. Really the problem for me is the AmE / BrE thing. I just can't split my focus when doing real writing. I also really hate DD-MM-YY formats, but I recognize I'm fighting a losing battle there. Marrante (talk) 17:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

It looks like they've split the house into at least two parts - here's a brochure for the 'West House' which looks to be the west wing in the aerial photos. I expect you've already seen it, given your most thorough research, but just in case ... [1]. (talk) 16:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Four. Thanks for the link. I had not seen the brochure, but had seen something else about the building, a local site from Faversham or Otterden, as I recall. Thank you also for the compliment on the research. I never write in user space. No one said boo about this article till it went on the main page. That's usually what happens with what I write here. The only problem with this was the AmE business, which I knew would be jarring for Brits and be changed, but I hoped I could at least get some sympathy (an indulgence?) before the onslaught. Quick question about "the German element" you mentioned. Are you seeing a lot of German-inflected syntax? I try hard to avoid that when translating, but it creeps in anyway. (I usually fix that after a few days' rest, when I can look over what I've written with fresh eyes.) Marrante (talk) 17:10, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hanna Bergas[edit]

Orlady (talk) 12:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Bunce Court School[edit]

Hi. You definitely made the right choice by bumping it out of the speedy renaming queue so that we can explore other options. First, note that I'm recommending "people educated at" instead of "alumni" not because it's more euphonious (truth be told I rather like "alumni") but because it's good to have a little bit of consistency at least within the categories corresponding to a given country. Regarding the choice of a category title broad enough to include past teachers, I'm not entirely convinced that this is the right way to go. One worry is that such a category would not appear in Category:People educated by school in England and might end up isolated in some strange corner of the category tree that nobody ever visits. I'd rather have a separate category for staff (if it's not ridiculously small) and a parent category including staff and alumni. For instance Category:People associated with George Watson's College is organized in precisely this way. Best, Pichpich (talk) 21:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, I did see that the "People educated" had lots of company, but there aren't that many people to go into another category, but perhaps it's warranted anyway. I've seen categories with two or three people in them. So far, I would have five or six and I may create another couple of pages, if I can find enough material. And the parent category as shown in the example you left works very well, especially since it's complicated enough with three names for one school. Following that format would be fine. I'll go leave a comment over at the discussion page. Marrante (talk) 21:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
I should thank you for indirectly leading me to read the fascinating Bunce Court School article. It's a remarkable story and I think this warrants special treatment (within reason). If there's only one or two articles for notable staff members, you could still create Category:People associated with Bunce Court School for those one or two people and have the alumni as a subcategory. Pichpich (talk) 22:45, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
It's an amazing story, isn't it? I'm not done with it. There's more, but at the moment, I've been trying to find out about the staff. It's hard to find info, but I'm persistent. This story deserves so much more than Wikipedia, but I'm hoping this will be a start. Thanks for the help with the category. I haven't added to the discussion page yet, but will soon. Marrante (talk) 00:13, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
"so much more than Wikipedia"?!? Blasphemy! Blasphemy! :-)
All kidding aside, I suggest that we place the original speedy renaming request back in the queue. You can create the other categories when needed. Of course you could already go ahead and create the parent Category:People associated with Bunce Court School since it will at the very least contain the Anna Essinger article. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 01:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Of course it's rather silly of me to tell you what to do rather than do it myself. I've gone ahead and created the parent category. I also feel that there are enough teachers to warrant a subcategory but the broader one also works fine. Pichpich (talk) 01:42, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! Marrante (talk) 02:53, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Michael Roemer[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bruno Adler[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for more food for thought! - Did you know that you have to enter yourself here? (I didn't.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:17, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! No, I didn't know that. I don't think I'll bother with it, though. Nice, the way two of this morning's DYK are related to the date, though. I wonder if there will be others? Were you involved with the timing? Marrante (talk) 10:47, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, no, I was not involved, only pleased. I would like to see your name in that list (and give you a medal, smile). For me it's the only way of counting. But you do it beautifully on your user page, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Wilhelm Marckwald[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dorothy Mayhall[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Storm King, wonderful memories, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
You're welcome! Marrante (talk) 11:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
But I almost didn't recognize the Kröller-Müller Museum, because of its strange name and being termed "smaller". I think it is great both by size and collection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:11, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
You know, I struggled to think of a way to describe it and I was thinking in terms of the really huge places like the Louvre and the Met (NYC) and I know it's not small (like say, the Aldrich) but I just couldn't think of anything else. I didn't really love that word either, but I had to come up with something to differentiate. I'll have to look at that again. You know, I didn't recognize the name either, but I sure remember being there. Thanks, btw, for fixing that one link. That seems to be a new habit of mine. I've caught myself doing it several times, mostly seems to come with things I'm changing. Marrante (talk) 23:18, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't have the word for "not so general", the selected topics it covers best (van Gogh, sculpture) are covered well. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:46, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Just fixed it with the simplest solution. Don't know why I didn't write it this way the first time. 11:42, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! Next language q: "had had strokes", don't like the repetition, would "had suffered strokes" also work? "Around the world" - could that be a little less general? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:04, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I actually prefer "had had", so I'd like to leave that. I changed "around the world" to "numerous countries on several continents." I just didn't want to list countries, since they're mentioned (in part, actually) in the body. Maybe I'll try to find some other refs for some of the other countries. Marrante (talk) 12:52, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. "All around" was limited by art and architecture anyway, smile, perhaps mention Asia and Europe? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
You know, I have written it that way about five times (including just now) and somehow, it always ends up looking silly to me. Maybe I'm wrong, but it feels like I'm trying to exploit every possible aspect to justify notability (though I don't think that's an issue here). If you want, though, I'll put them in. Marrante (talk) 13:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
No, I did not know. I don't think it's fishing for notability if you say precisely North America, Europe and Asia instead of vague "several continents", there are not so many, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:25, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
I just added more countries to the list in the body copy and will name continents in the lede. Marrante (talk) 13:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I just saw Brazil (twice), so even The Americas, smiling more. I hope you will be able to point at a few examples of destination (museum, building, ...) with a link, sort them by something recognizable (location, date, importance, ...), and will now leave you alone, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:55, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Erich Katz[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


Teach me English: I find that homophone is a term related to language, but not necessarily the one meant here. I always wrote "homophon", similar to "unison", but see now that the homophony article only has "homophonic". Before changing all the Bach cantatas I would like clarification on the matter, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:40, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

You know, I went to that article to look and found the same thing you did. Then I went to Google and just typed in homophon and it came up with the e and I went and changed the article. I never heard of a second spelling in English and when I read it the first time, just assumed it was a new one on me, till I saw that the link was piped, then I started looking to see how the word was spelled. I just looked in my trusty Webster's and it had homophone for language and homophony / homophonic for music. Argh! This seems to suggest it should take an e, though there's no mention of music here. Frustrating, but I think it is a rare use, that the word regularly occurs as "homophony" or "-phonic" in English and that's really the problem. Marrante (talk) 20:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
I just went back and looked at how you used the word and it is an adjective, so the correct usage is homophonic. I've already changed the article. No wonder the lack of appearance, the noun is "homophony" and the adjective is "homophonic". The noun "homophone" is for language. Had I approached this from that basis, I'd have saved us both some time! Marrante (talk) 20:10, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Helps, thank you, - will change eventually, surprised that nobody noticed so far, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:12, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jacqueline Moss[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hotel Lux[edit]

Orlady (talk) 14:49, 29 November 2011 (UTC) 00:02, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ruth von Mayenburg[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:03, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nachum Dov Brayer[edit]

Hi, thanks for reviewing this nomination. It looks like The Jewish Press changed its destination address. I fixed the link, and also added another ref. Best, Yoninah (talk) 09:36, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hans Krieger[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 4 December 2011 (UTC)


(I had reviewed the father before turning to the alleged conspiracy, only to find out that wasn't the first.) I wonder if the word "Muckern" as a special group/kind of Pietismus might be a good idea for those who like precision. Also it is not as clear in the article as in the source that he was (too) happy about Stalin's death. That might be a hook possibility, leaving the sons for a son's article. (And - quibble - there is a sentence with two "then" in a row which I had to read twice. Is "confirmed" - many meanings - the term for "nach der Konfirmation"?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:15, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I didn't write that about his being overjoyed because two other sources did not confirm it, but merely said this or something like it. ("Als er von Stalins Tod erfuhr, erlitt er einen Kreislaufzusammenbruch. Gustav Sobottka, der Revolutionär aus Röhlinghausen, starb vom 5. zum 6. März 1953 in Berlin.") It's a very knee-jerk anti-Communist reaction to interpret his reaction like that, but it may not have been the case. He stayed true to his "religion", as did many others, including his son and Damerius, who took steps to make sure his memoirs would not be published first in the west as an anti-Communist diatribe, despite his 18 years in gulags, etc. For a bunch of atheists, they were the "party faithful" in more ways than one and Stalin was their pope, the party their church. Neither could make a mistake or do wrong. Millions of letters were written to Stalin, to inform him of what was going on, they all assumed the party leaders didn't know, not that they were the ones orchestrating it all. I should really make that all clear. There were quotes from several letters that just make me shake my head. I just added "Muckern" to the piped word, though it just dawned on me, I should probably have dropped the "n". Marrante (talk) 12:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, shaking my head, too. Going from one strict church to another makes sense in a way. I would add the pic to the nom, to give him a face there (although it will probably not appear). How about mentioning the location of his exile in the lede? The pic is not yet in the commons, right? You may want to start adding "alleged" to a pipe link on the conspiracy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
I don't think the pic can go on DYK. I think the photo is from the documentary made about him and is under copyright. I'll go about hunting down the piped links. There's another of him when he was younger, but it's clearly been scanned by something like a fax machine and there's basically not detail about it. Marrante (talk) 13:00, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Just looked at the one sentence with two "thens". It's too bad, but it is actually the best solution, in my opinion. The other would be to break up the sentences, or add a different phrase, like "at the time", which is just more cluttered. I prefer lean writing, even when it occasionally gets caught up in such little issues. Yeah, the "confirmed" is in the sentence following the church stuff, so it relates directly to it. Marrante (talk) 13:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, taken. I created a redirect and entered them on Sobotka (disambiguation), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:56, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you! Marrante (talk) 18:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hitler Youth Conspiracy[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:03, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

You certainly picked the right attractive name for this one! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
As I always say... Marrante (talk) 16:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gustav Sobottka[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fritz Grasshoff[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Helmut Damerius[edit]

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DYK for Left Column (theater troupe)[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Deutsche Zentral Zeitung[edit]

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:18, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gustav Sobottka, Jr.[edit]

Orlady (talk) 00:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Helmut Damerius[edit]

EncycloPetey (talk) 06:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC) 08:03, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Kemna concentration camp[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ernst Ottwalt[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Ulenspiegel DYK[edit]

Hi, I just reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Ulenspiegel, and I found some things I think you need to fix, if you can still remember that one after all this time. Yngvadottir (talk) 05:01, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

To the point[edit]

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Thank you for translating numerous German extravaganzas for me, thinking of Hans Krieger, Fritz Graßhoff, and in particular Bazon Brock's "death has to be abolished" as a company to With peace and joy I depart. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
A new experience: Great Dismal Swamp maroons Symbol support vote.svg --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 15 March 2012 (UTC)
Wow! Congratulations! Marrante (talk) 22:35, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ulenspiegel[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 09:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I was asked to look at Christa Reinig, but you may be even more competent, she started publishing in Ulenspiegel. I bet you'll like it, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:08, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Adelbert Theodor Wangemann[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Adolf Grimme[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 05:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Greta Kuckhoff[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 05:19, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Günther Strupp[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Heinz Kiwitz[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Morituri (1948 film)[edit]

Thanks for the nice expansion work on this article. Lugnuts (talk) 13:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome – and thank you the feedback. Marrante (talk) 13:40, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Falk Harnack[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:17, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Jeder stirbt für sich allein (1962 film)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For seeing an opportunity to help, and seizing it. Thank you for your work on Khaled Ali. Ocaasi t | c 14:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks you for taking up the issue of neutrality on the Hana Shalabi article. You handled it more boldly that I was capable of doing. Ishtar456 (talk) 19:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

List of Nazis[edit]

Hi, Marrante! We are trying to compile a List of Nazis. For the articles you have created of Nazis, such as Willi Veller, could you please add them to the list with a source where it states that they were a party member?Hoops gza (talk) 04:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

10,000 Easter eggs for you[edit]

Never too late for something nice, see my talk ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Translation question (hook in prep1): "zu einem der größten und leistungsfähigsten Chöre Hessens", problem leistungsfähig, would prefer that to "largest" ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
That's kind of a tough one. The only thing I can think of that sort of gets both parts of the compound word is "top-performing", although "capable" is more implied than stated. Nothing else comes to mind, though. Thank you for the eggs, btw. The photo of the tree is pretty good. There used to be a guy near where I lived years ago who decorated a tree (and his whole house) in that fashion, but his tree was nowhere near the level of that tree. He did, however, make full use of his house and front yard. He had so much fun with it, that ever after, his house was seasonally decorated in resplendent kitsch. Marrante (talk) 06:24, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Great! Isn't that interesting that there is no expression for leistungsfähig in English? We leave "largest" then in the hook, "top-performing" seems not quite right for a church choir ;) I like my Leistung to free the tree author ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:13, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
My earlier response was more or less written on the fly. My dictionary forays weren't helping much, either. They suggested "capable", "efficient", "powerful" "potent", "productive", "high-performance" (which sounds like a car!) and similar. Nothing really sounded like it was quite right. This is perhaps a bit of a stretch, but would "artistically adept" do? Marrante (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

A Barnstar for you![edit]

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Many thanks for all the work on Naked Among Wolves (film), and sorry for the mess. Bahavd Gita (talk) 18:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Timeline for Gary Aguirre[edit]

I made a timeline that is incomplete for Gary J. Aguirre, it is incomplete, I will post on the article talk page too. (talk) 10:23, 11 November 2012‎ (UTC) (talk)‎

  • Thanks for all your work on this. I've moved your post to where it should appear chronologically and removed the timeline itself from this talk page for several reasons. One, I don't need it here and you posted it in two other locations. However, the biggest problem is that all the links to "Gary Aguirre" go to the article on his son, not his own article. I removed these links on the timeline you left on his article (rather than correct them) because articles are not supposed to link to themselves (nor do they need to). Another link, to Arthur Samberg, showed up red unnecessarily. I fixed it by additing his middle initial. Also, you should sign your posts. In many or most cases, a bot will come around and do it for you, but it gives people an idea of how old the post is. I moved your post down here because where you put it was an old post and that discussion is long over. It is much easier to find again here, as a new section. Thanks! Marrante (talk) 09:51, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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Precious again[edit]

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to the point expert translation
Thank you for translating numerous German extravaganzas for me, thinking of Hans Krieger, Fritz Graßhoff, and in particular Bazon Brock's "death has to be abolished" as a company to With peace and joy I depart, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

About a year ago, you were the fifth recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, now I struggle without you and him ;) - Sometimes I also feel like I have enough, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:17, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

  • Thank you for thinking of me. I can't come back, but do visit now and then to check on a few pages. You know where to reach me, though! — Marrante (talk) 20:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
For fun: look at these titles, "Cactus tragicus", even more in German, enjoy his website, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
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Precious and missed

Enjoy life! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:26, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were the fifth recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:01, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Four years ago, you were recipient no. 5 of Precious, a prize of QAI! Miss you, still, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 3 February 2016 (UTC)


Hi Marrante, nice (and instructive) to see your corrections of my revision in List of cities by country that have Stolpersteine, thank you. I wonder, what is ce in lede? Kattiel (talk) 14:47, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Hoi Kattiel, ce = copy edit and "lede" is an alternate spelling for the "lead" in an article. I know it as newspaper "jargon" (so to speak, since it's nothing but a change in spelling). Thank you for your contributions to the list. I don't have the time to keep up with the list and mostly just keep an eye on it to correct non-native mistakes. I've been glad to see your input. Marrante (talk) 17:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

I wonder if you could lend a hand?[edit]

I remember the great pleasure I had reviewing your Bunce Court School article, and wonder if you could lend a hand at Gerhard Fischer (diplomat)?

I had been editing it in my user space (nearly 3 yrs ago!) to get it ready for DYK, I then e-mailed someone a request for permission to use an image, but the recipient failed to respond, my attention turned to other matters and I forgot about it. Meanwhile, someone else set up a small article in main space, so I've had to copy/paste my version in, rather than the much better alternative of moving it.

I still intend to DYK this one, and I think it's just about ready, but you may be able to help with your better knowledge of German-language sources. As a general rule I've preferred Indian sources for his period in India, and German-language sources for his time in Europe. Possibly you might be able to find some good additional sources?

Best wishes, and thanks,

--NSH001 (talk) 21:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words about Bunce Court. It remains one of the articles I'm most proud of having written here. Regarding the invitation to help with your article, I'm sorry for the delay in responding. I'm not as active on Wikipedia as I used to be. DYK was actually one of the things that drove me to leave. It ceased being fun. I don't know how things are being run there these days, but submission was sometimes strictly held at (no more than) five days from the beginning of expansion, so you're running out of time. I always counted day one as my first date in the version history, so by that reckoning, you'd need to submit tomorrow. Unfortunately, I don't have time to help you. There are some other German-speakers who frequent DYK; maybe one of them will be able to help you. Your article doesn't have to be perfect to submit, you can continue to work on it. I wish you success in your endeavor! Marrante (talk) 20:57, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
No problem, I've been relatively inactive myself on wiki until the last few days, my last DYK was over a year ago. I'm not interested in simply clocking up as many DYKs as possible, but if I think I have one that's worth DYK-ing, I'll first draft it either in user space, or completely off-wiki, so as to eliminate the time pressure, and allow me time to build an article whose quality I am happy with - I wouldn't get any pleasure from submitting one that merely satisfies the minimum DYK requirements and nothing more. Actually I submitted it yesterday before I went to bed (which I see now is in fact today in UTC time). It takes a bit of time to re-familiarise oneself with the DYK process, but they do seem to have tightened up on quality, which is a good thing for anything appearing on the front page; the "DYK Toolbox" check is a useful innovation. Regards, NSH001 (talk) 22:38, 25 September 2013 (UTC)


Hi Marrante, could you please give your opinion on my suggestion here? Kattiel (talk) 16:40, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

User:Marrante#My contributions rated C class or better[edit]

Hi, I noticed this list on your user page. I noticed your edits to Camp Rising Sun (New York), which is now B-class, so I guess you can probably add the page "Camp Rising Sun" to the list. Epic Genius (talk) 16:14, 19 September 2015 (UTC)

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