User talk:MarshallBagramyan/Archive 4

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for some reason didn't find your name in the latter versions of the ArbCom pages on Armenia-Azerbaijan, so added you per "The current listing is incomplete. Anyone aggressively editing these articles should assume they are a party. Add their names and give them notice. No motion is necessaryFred Bauder 13:48, 15 March 2007 (UTC)" --adil 22:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Late, late re[edit]

Hi, I am sorry I only noticed this post [1] a moment ago while I was archiving. I was away for a couple of weeks and didn't check my talk comprehensively it seems when I got back. I am not an expert on the issue but I will take a look at it - although I don't know what kind of an atmosphere reigns in Turkish wiki :) So how come you speak Turkish? Couldn't see any TR flags in your user page, so I was just curious.. Baristarim 03:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, ok it was changed then.. I would have thought that it would have been pretty obvious even in TR wiki, and was kind of surprised when I read your post - thus my comment above about the Turkish wiki :) Even though I am not an expert, I know the background of the story :) As for the tr flag, no particular point, it was because I couldn't see Turkey as a place where you have lived or been to in your user page, and it is pretty rare for someone to know a language when they haven't been to that country. Just curious, that's all :) But you do have a point about Azeri I suppose. Again, I am sorry for getting back this late - I was perusing the posts one last time before archiving..
Btw, I just ran into the ArbCom case two days ago.. I knew that there was some bad stuff going on (from all those reverts popping up on my watchlist :)), but had no idea that it had gotten so bad. In fact, it is the general systemic bias which condemns articles from all of Eastern Med and Caucasia to oblivion among the general public.. Except Israel-palestine and Iraq issues (lately), there are rarely any impartial editors who stick their hands in.. I would have tried to come in and help cool it a bit, but I am also not an expert nor a native therefore I might not have been quite helpful. I hope that it has gotten better lately.. Baristarim 04:16, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Rmvl of AG reference[edit]

Such a blatant removal - of not even shortening but just cutting - is not acceptable. You guys tell me what you find so problematic with it, ignoring length since Kemal is the only reason you guys hold those lands, but this is otherwise suppression of sources and info. You don't even bother trying to edit the information and instead opt for a complete removal of the passage. My message on the talk page has been there for days and no one has yet to respond. I know what this man represents to your people but this is cynical. --MarshallBagramyan 16:27, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

1) You see Ataturk attacking Armenia, Turks see Turkish revolutionaries as a whole. 2) It is Kazim Karabekir that was facing ADR not ATATURK (as it is referred in your text for war activities). 3) Ataturk had never (not once) visited the battle zone. 4) The war between ADR and Turksih revolutinaries needs to be extended and you personally need to prove that genocide is performed to claim such ... (there is no word to it) 4) If it Turkish-Armenian War is a GENOCIDE; than you should develop it under ARMENIAN GENOCIDE not at this page (but you have no sincerity in this issue to take it under where it belongs) . This genocide of yours is also becoming a joke as everything between Armenians and Turks become a genocide. it looks like Turkish sneezing during 1914-1918 becomes a genocidal activity against Armenians. ThanksOttomanReference 16:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
You are welcome to extend the Turkish-Armenian War. --OttomanReference 16:41, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
> MarshallBagramyan "prevent the suppression of that info" Which info? where is this info! You have a single sentence that does not any factuality. Do you have a gut to rewrite this genocide article with the sections heading WHO? WHOM? WHERE? HOW? WHICH METHODS? WHY? All you do is write single liners.. 1.5 million died? Where did they die? how did they die? can you answer these questions? let me remind you, 150,000 Armenian volunteer units were also included in this count of yours. People like you turn the concept of a genocide into a JOKE. You are an Armenian Joke. I state again; if you are serious, the Armenian genocide page is the place to develop a section that explains how this Turkish-Armenian War is a genocide. But you are not doing that... People like you brought DOUBT in to Armenian genocide. Have a nice day. OttomanReference 19:09, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
If you are "serious" about including Turkish-Armenian War as a part of Armenian genocide; I would be glad to verify your sources. The genocide is a very serious concept. If you are serious, and not "joking"; I would glad to give my time to find the credibility of what is not yet presented information about these events of yours. That information had to be occurred between 1920-1921 (from battle of Oltu to Treaty of Alexandropol). Ataturk stayed in the Ankara during this time, so there has to be a paperwork trail which should link him to these events of yours. Also I appreciate if you tell me where you are going to develop this concept. My personal choice is under Armenian Genocide. Otherwise I'm proposing you to be "serious" and remove these claims. Thanks. Have a nice day. --OttomanReference 23:33, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


Yes, that's a PA. Try WP:AN/I. Khoikhoi 04:16, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Van Resistance[edit]

Hey, wondering if you got my message about Van article, I wanna rewrite it appropriately and according to wiki guidelines. I have acces to JSTOR, tell me if you wanna collaborate on this. (Hetoum 00:15, 3 April 2007 (UTC))

Hey man, could really use help under Van section, go to talk. (Hetoum 19:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC))

I had added "in the Ottoman Empire" - so what was the problem? I am sorry, but it is not just about "belief that it didn't occur", you know this and is a distortion. I am sure there are those who think that way, however there are also those who think that the events wouldn't be considered as state-organized genocide. That version gives a clearer version of this, and you know that as well. I am sorry, but it seems to be POV-pushing. Please go read the lead of the Holocaust denial which is so often cited inappropriately. Baristarim 03:47, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


User:Cool Cat seems intent on removing all images of the Armenian Genocide memorial at Tsitsernakaberd hill in Yerevan: [2] [3] [4] We need to do something. -- Aivazovsky 19:23, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, Fedayee took care of it. Be sure to keep vigil for Martyrs Day on Tuesday next week. -- Aivazovsky 19:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Sarkis Soghanalian[edit]

Updated DYK query On 15 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sarkis Soghanalian, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 23:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Regarding reversions[5] made on April 16 2007 to Denial of the Armenian Genocide[edit]

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. Thank you. Cbrown1023 talk 00:32, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


Nice work so far, though I would probably move the article from "Khachkar destruction in Nakhichevan" to "Status of Armenian cultural monuments in Nakhichevan" as it is less POV and will also allow us to discuss the destruction of churches and other noteworthy sites of Armenian cultural heritage in the region. -- Aivazovsky 12:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Alright, I think I gotcha. By the way, I added a map to illustrate the location of Julfa (in the same style as the Sumqayit image). Again, nice work and congrats on the DYK! -- Aivazovsky 12:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for Comment on ARF[edit]

Following advise of admin Thatcher131, I have created RfC page on ARF. You can put your short comments on talkpage, as per RfC guidance - see example [6]--Dacy69 19:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


Hi! Thanks for the welcome back message:). Had to stay away from wiki quite a long time... Hectorian 00:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Khachkar destruction in Nakhichevan[edit]

Updated DYK query On 21 April, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Khachkar destruction in Nakhichevan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--howcheng {chat} 06:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: A Shameful Act[edit]

Hi! Thanks for the link. I had no idea about that book, but seems very interesting. The author being Turkish, makes it even more interesting. I was about to ask how come he is still free and not tried under article 301, but then I saw he has an article in wikipedia and read the... reasons. btw, it is such a shame that the Canadian authorities used wikipedia as an "excuse" for detaining him... Perhaps the money is too much and even the lamest excuses are used to please the "customer"... Regards. Hectorian 13:31, 22 April 2007 (UTC)


"Unker, you rv'ed me"
Sorry about that, didn't realize your other changes.
Warm Regards,
Serouj 01:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

C Праздником![edit]

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Alto Karabaj[edit]

Hi! I'm a spanish wiki user, and I'm working in the Nagorno Karabaj War (Guerra de Alto Karabaj in spanish) article. I find a lot of pictures about the war in the article, but the copyright status is not very clear, because many of that images does not had autorizations to be used. If you can give me some information about it, I will be very pleased. Sorry by my english.

Rakela 19:16, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Atypically / atypical[edit]

Hi, I changed 'unusual' into 'atypically', because an adverb is gramatically required at that spot and 'unusually' has different connotations. Later, you changed 'atypically' into 'atypical' thus making it an adjective again; and I just changed it back (before having checked the history, sorry; should've done that first).

You wrote in your summary that 'atypically' sounds awkward. I suppose that you feel the same about any adverb, like 'unconventionally' and so on. I suppose that more editors feel that way; after all, there was an adjective there in the first place. Should we maybe rephrase it follows?

"He did not immediately join the Communist Party after the consolidation of the revolution, becoming a member only in 1941, which is atypical for a Soviet military officer."

In this construction, an adjective is required, and I hope we can both agree that it is not awkward.

Regards, Oliphaunt 13:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I've only been speaking English for several years but have a fairly well understanding and grasp of its grammar. I suppose in that section I was thinking more of how it sounded in the sentence rather than the grammatical rules that dictate the subject-verb agreements and so on. Thanks for clarifying these misconceptions; your version seems agreeable to but, if I may point out, "is" should be changed to "was" considering the USSR is now defunct :) Regards, --MarshallBagramyan 16:15, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Moved your reply back to your talk page to keep discussion unfragmented
Very well, I've rephrased that sentence in the article and used past tense. Thanks! Oliphaunt 10:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Happy May 9![edit]

Cheers, enjoy the belated parade:

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House of Hasan Jalal[edit]

Please don't violate 3RR rule. Drastamat 00:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Request reason:

Being banned for reverting a user who constantly deleted sourced statements and disrupted the integrity of the article is nonsensical. The user was an obvious sockpuppet who went on to disrupt 3 other articles (Nagorno-Karabakh, Monte Melkonian and Hasan Jalalyan) and yet it is I who must be punished for reverting his disruptions? He had no less than 3 other socks and I was defending the article's integrity which only makes sense. What was the basis of removing the sources from the article? There was no need to engage in a discussion with someone whose only objective was in engaging in edit wars and baiting users to be blocked for 3RR. I was not the only one who was engaged in reverting his versions as others were equally as adamant in removing his edits which were conducted in bad faith.

On an additional note, Drastamat has subverted the block you guys imposed on him with puppets that have went full speed in making the same exact reversions on the House of Hasan-Jalalyan page and Monte Melkonian with user names Hachiktoumanyan and Dondurma. We have been dealing with a sock puppet from the beginning, someone who should have been banned from the onset and yet is making a mockery of the system by flaunting its own restrictions.

Decline reason:

Content dispute <> vandalism. Your edit summaries make it plain that you were in a disagreement over ocntent, not reverting vandalism as defined. The block is a short one (not a ban) and appears justified. Take the time to cool off. Guy (Help!) 20:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

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Image help[edit]


Can you help with these important images here"

Hetoum I 19:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)



I may need help defending the Van resistance article. Hope you can look at it. Hetoum I 05:09, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Mersi Marshal Jan. Yete es nerkevi bar googl anes ayt zhamanak kktnes im ej yev eletronikakan namak. As bar ara: "ՀԱՅԿԱԿԱՆ ԴՐԱՄԱԳԻՏԱԿԱՆ ԷՋ" Hetoum I 18:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Vartan Mamigonian painting[edit]

Hi, this is just to say that the picture that you added of the painting is larger compared to the one I had added, but it is kind of blurry and smaller. -- Davo88 17:50, 1 June 2007 (UTC)


Բարեվ, այստեխ նայիր թշնամուն դատում են. [7] --VartanM 00:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Kirovabad pogrom[edit]

Hey Marshall, could you do some research on and possibly expand the Kirovabad pogrom article? I've had difficulty getting exact numbers on casualties, etc. -- Aivazovsky 12:04, 9 June 2007 (UTC)