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The Last Night controversy[edit]

It it incorrect to say that the game was called milkshake duck. It's not the game, it's the creator, me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timsoret (talkcontribs) 13:49, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

The way that the articles like the NYtimes connect Milkshake Duck to The Last Night/Tim Soret is that it is the game that was riding high following the presser, and then when it was discovered about Soret's past social media commented, not only was he derided but the game fell off that pedestal because of the connection to those comments and perception of what the game would be about in light of those comments by some. It wasn't Soret that had the spotlight, but the game itself, and that's why it is the Milkshake Duck, not Soret. At least, that's how the articles are presenting it. At worst, it's a mix between the game and Soret, but its definitely not just Soret alone that is being called that. --MASEM (t) 14:21, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Request for hiding a revision[edit]


I was wondering: Is revision 788530229 eligible for being hidden as grossly insulting?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 07:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It can be undone, it doesn't help on talk page, but it doesn't quality under RD2 (which generally required it to be a BLP article, not a personal attack). --MASEM (t) 13:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
The policy is a bit confusing. The lead says "RevisionDelete should not be used [...] for 'ordinary' incivility, attacks, or claims of editorial misconduct." RD2, on the other hand, says "Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material" for which either the following two (or both) is true: (1) "has little or no encyclopedic or project value"; (2) violates our biographies of living people policy.
To me, RD2 is fulfilled to the letter, but whether the gross insult was "ordinary" or not, I didn't know.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 14:09, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
But BLP isn't involved here; talk page attacks on editors do fall under WP:NPA, but as RD2 notes "This includes slurs, smears, and grossly offensive material of little or no encyclopedic value, but not mere factual statements, and not "ordinary" incivility, personal attacks or conduct accusations." --MASEM (t) 14:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Metro Exodus[edit]

Hello! Masem, I need your help in the metro exodus discussion, how much I know that the game will have certain levels which are in large environment but it is not a complete open world game. Would you kindly resolve this matter. Thank you in advance! ☺ Pure conSouls (talk) 10:31, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher)
Hello, Pure conSouls. Where exactly is this discussion. It wasn't in Talk:Metro Exodus. —Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 12:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

The WikiProject Video Games Newsletter, Q2 2017[edit]


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If you have a spare 5 mins[edit]

Could you take a look at the discussion here please. The outing issue is largely resolved (don't put a link on your userpage to a profile that outs yourself) however I think the IP's actual complaint may have merit. I recall there have been issues around VG records etc in the past but I cant pin them down in the archives anywhere. Only in death does duty end (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Clarifying my edit of the 'Open world' article[edit]

Apart from the source in question, Computer World Magazine nr. 68 (which is freely accessible online), only mentioning Zelda as a source of influence for some interface decisions for Times of Lore, Zelda's world design is fundamentally different from Ultima VI/VII (and the Elder Scrolls games). Zelda's open world is split up into relatively small separate screens which reset when you exit them (i.e. enemies respawn, items disappear, etc.) However, the worlds in Ultima VI/VII and other Elder Scrolls games are both seamless and persistent. They aren't split up into smaller screens and the world state doesn't reset (i.e. dropped items will remain where you dropped them). So the claim that Zelda inspired Ultima's world design is not only unsubstantiated, but it makes very little sense, especially since Ultima predates and in fact inspired Zelda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:17, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 July 2017[edit]

DYK for The Artful Escape[edit]

Updated DYK query.svg On 16 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article The Artful Escape, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the upcoming video game The Artful Escape is described as "David Bowie traveling off from London on an interstellar trip to create Ziggy Stardust"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Artful Escape. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, The Artful Escape), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Sorry - misclick when I thought my watchlist had loaded fully but it hadn't. Not done that for a while! - Sitush (talk) 20:25, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

NCORP examples[edit]

Responding here because I don't want to flood the talk page at WT:NCORP, but the easiest way to go about looking for examples would be to take a look through the no consensus corporation/business AfDs that have closed recently. This would give you an idea where our current guidelines are unclear enough to be argued equally effectively either way based on GNG and where more clarity could be used, whether it was for a draftification process or simply for use in AfDs/PRODs. A significant number of these would also likely be created by an SPA. Fuji Food and Lucas Oil School of Racing are the most recent examples from my AfD log. TonyBallioni (talk) 01:09, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Matter regarding the "Year" of video games[edit]

Hello, Masem. I just want your help and opinion in the wikiproject video games. Currently I'm stuck in a matter regarding the "Year" of video games and need the help of someone who knows a lot about wikipedia and its video game articles and that's why I'm asking you for your advise. Thanks in advance. 😊 Pure conSouls (talk) 12:44, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 5 August 2017[edit]

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not/Shortcuts[edit]

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MLP Possible Sequels Source[edit]

The previous edit was taking down for phasing, and was wondering if this new link found has more certainty in it's wording [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Animation100 (talkcontribs) 20:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

@Animation100: okay, that's a bit more explicit, but if you do add it back in, please include the source in the prose (eg "According to, Boulder studios is...") --MASEM (t) 02:42, 8 August 2017 (UTC)


Brendan Greene[edit]

I was wondering if you wanted to start an article on him? Valoem talk contrib 03:32, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

I don't think there's much more beyond his work on PUBG to make a new article, yet. --MASEM (t) 03:57, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Good Faith[edit]

Was wondering why you deleted my edit citing "Good Faith". I know what good faith means but do not see how it applies to this instance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:7109:CD00:C5D5:DBD7:B043:8473 (talk) 15:13, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Here's the rest of Masem's revert reason: "RedLetterMedia's reviews shouldn't be mentioned in the works they review." -- ferret (talk) 15:28, 9 August 2017 (UTC)
Basically, RLM's reviews, particularly the Mr. Plinkett ones, should be taken with a grain of salt. I know that those review do have elements that are considered fair and perhaps unique and insightful criticism , but then you have separate that from the heavy dose of sarcasm. So I wouldn't take those reviews, on their own, as an appropriate source to use for reception material on a movie's page. However, as was the case with his original Star Wars prequels, if other secondary sources point to that review and say "that's valid criticism", then inclusion via way of those sources may make sense. --MASEM (t) 15:45, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Gender pronouns[edit]

With respect to: — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedskinsFanHTTR (talkcontribs) 07:41, 11 August 2017 (UTC) I believe you're wrong about the use of the singular they being "well established." According to the Manual of Style: "There is no Wikipedia consensus either for or against the singular they. Though some uses of they with a singular antecedent or referent are well established, some uses remain contentious, and style advice varies." ( Given that this usage is admittedly controversial, and given that the character of Morgan must be either male or female, it does not make sense to favor the controversial usage over the uncontroversial one, especially when many Wikipedia readers find the singular they extremely jarring. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RedskinsFanHTTR (talkcontribs) 07:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Within video game articles, and the widespread availability of characters with selectable gender, singular they IS widely accepted. Essentially, as the MOS says, some uses are well established, and this is one of them. You're making this change to one video game article when essentially every video game article falling into this category uses singular they. -- ferret (talk) 11:27, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

I know...[edit]

That we are in pretty much complete disagreement at RSN, as we often are. But I just want you to know that you're my favorite wikipedian to argue with: You write well-thought out comments with good arguments, and don't get emotional about it. I think you're always worth listening to, even when you're wrong. :) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 03:07, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

@MjolnirPants: Thanks, I appreciate that - I do see these more as debates rather than arguments, which may mean there's never going to be a point of agreement, but (at times) helps to get a way to then explain policy/guideline better in other situations or improve language of what's there, or figure out other approaches, rather than how many other editors quickly let emotions take over to attack their opponents. --MASEM (t) 06:05, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
I agree. I honestly think a lot of editors simply care too much about whether a debate goes their way. Personally, it doesn't bother me to "lose" a debate here, because it doesn't really affect me at all. I get the impression that you're much the same way. But I need to make sure say so, because when a debate is piquing my interest, I get dryer and less humorous than usual. It often gives the impression that I'm seriously vested in it, when it really means pretty much the opposite; I'm far more interested in the "argument" than the outcome. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:12, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Main page blurb[edit]

Hi. Since you agree with me (and so does the ITN nominator), would you please revert the blurb on the main page back to the more neutral one? I don't think we need to discuss this endlessly; the blurb should not have been changed arbitrarily without consensus and we all agree. Enough?Zigzig20s (talk) 23:22, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

I'll wait for a few more voices on ERRORS, just to make sure. --MASEM (t) 23:46, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
This is frustrating. The thing is, I don't see why we have to wait for this. There was already consensus for the old blurb. It should be the other way around--we should need consensus for the new blurb.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:50, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

ITN recognition for The International 2017[edit]

Gnome globe current event.svg On 17 August 2017, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article The International 2017, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 05:51, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

File:Subsurface circular logo.png is free use[edit]

If it is free in the US, it is free on English Wikipedia. While it is not considered free for Wikimedia Commons, that is not relevant here. As it is free, it does not have to be minimal use on enwiki. Are you keeping {{Non-free game cover}} in the file just so it belongs into Category:Video game covers? Maybe there should be a free-use video game cover category too. - hahnchen 13:33, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Three years precious[edit]

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Three years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:06, 20 August 2017 (UTC)

Labels essay[edit]

Hi Masem, I've noticed on the endless debates about labels that you're taking a strong stand for neutral language. I'm trying to prepare a wikipedia essay right now along these lines. The goal is to coalesce the argument for avoiding subjective labels in wikivoice even when widely used by RSes.

I invite you to feel free to jump in and edit. --Nanite (talk) 20:46, 22 August 2017 (UTC)

No gallery?[edit]

Publicity photographs without rationale was recently changed to nogallery. Have worked on this for more than 7 years and it was always displayed in gallery format; gallery format makes it easier and faster for me to work with. Go back to the way it was or keep the change? Thanks, We hope (talk) 10:32, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

We generally do not allow for categories with non-free to have galleries, but we have made exceptions for maintenance categories. My question though is, why do you need to see the images in gallery form before the appropriate maintenance in this specific case? I personally don't think they're needed on reviewing the purpose of the category, but it would help to know why you prefer them, and then we can approach WT:NFC to request an exemption. --MASEM (t) 13:23, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
It may be habit since I've checked the category periodically and worked there for 7+ years. Having them in view makes it easy for me to see which are video/album covers or logos, etc. If I'm working in this category and am short for RL time, I may be able to take care of a few "easy calls" like that before RL catches up with WP. ;) It's also helpful for trying to determine how many non-free images have been uploaded for a particular article. If I see a lot of them for something like a TV show or superhero article, I know most of them really won't pass FFD, so better to spend the time listing them there than adding "has rationale". Have checked this category and worked at it for quite a while. I can remember when there were 2-3,000 files in it; after working on that, I said I'd never let it get that full again. We hope (talk) 13:50, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for posting the ITN nomination. Not sure why I was being ignored... Could I please get an ITN recognition on my talkpage for it?Zigzig20s (talk) 01:18, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

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PES 2018[edit]

Hi, Masem! I want your help in the PES 2018 article, there is a user, TDLWH, who is edit warring and using aggressive language. He/She is not listening to me, when I asked the reason for adding "officially" in the article. Instead giving me their reason, he/she is constantly fighting. I also warned them about the three revert rules and said to see the wwikipedia's rules before editing but again he/she reverted my edit. Please solve this matter as soon as possible, I'm losing my temper and don't want to use aggressive language anymore. Thanks in advance. 😊 Pure conSouls (talk) 06:54, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

And one more thing, after checking this matter, if you feel appropriate, then please report him/her to be blocked. I'm using my phone to access wikipedia and don't know how to report someone. Pure conSouls (talk) 06:58, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

About PES 2018[edit]

Hi Masem , firstly I want u to know that the edit of PureConsouls edit in PES 2018 (which I always revert) is deleting the word "Officially" , and this word was written in the article when it was made 4 the 1st time , so that means the word is necessary 4 the article , cuz almost anyone can make a parody , imitation , or an unoriginal version of the game B4 the original one is released , so the readers "must" know that the original and the official game will b released "Officially" in that date . And many people or companies can make a games with the same name (PES 2018) just to be highlighted , and absolutely the reader will B stuck between the official release and the unofficial one . But if the facts are unlike my talk (I mean if the word "Officially" was not written when the article was made or if the word is not necessary -according to u or another experts in this encyclopedia.) If that will happen , I will b ready to delete the word , and not writing it again . Greetings :) TDLWH (talk) 07:12, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Seriously, you make me laugh, man! No one is allowed to make a same copy of the game or use its trademark, didn't you know about copyrights. No company will do that otherwise the copyright holder will sue them. And making a video game is not everyone's cup of tea, no single person can make a whole video game in such a short amount of time, it takes very long time and a very big team of experts to make a video game, everyone knows that. 😂 Pure conSouls (talk) 07:44, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes[edit]

Can you please explain why Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes is a stub? It would seem like, to me, a start-class article; it needs expansion, sourcing, etc. but to a lesser extent than a stub does. -- I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 06:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

@I dream of horses: It is missing at least two large sections (gameplay and reception) and has under-developed sections on the other big two. These are out of necessity, of course, but that makes it no-less a stub. (All in my opinion, of course.) --Izno (talk) 12:24, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Pretty much this. It really shouldn't be a separate article at this point because there's so little we can talk to it. --MASEM (t) 13:26, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
@Izno: (and Masem, of course) You guys seem to be more informed about video game articles than I, so I'll go ahead and leave it up to you two. Face-smile.svg -- I dream of horses  If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{U|I dream of horses}} to your message  (talk to me) (My edits) @ 14:50, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

A cookie for you![edit]

Choco chip cookie.png Thank you for your edits on Travis Strikes Again: No More Heroes. I know we started off on the wrong foot, but your contributions are greatly appreciated. This is definitely looking like an article now. あんっど (talk) 20:08, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 6 September 2017[edit]

ITN recognition for 69th Primetime Emmy Awards[edit]

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Characters of Overwatch - Mercy rework[edit]

Just wondering, is there a reason Symmetra can have her rework details listed on this page, but not Mercy? Regards,--Euan112358 (talk) 14:19, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) The major difference is that Mercy has her own article, with tons more detail, so we try to keep the character list to the most pertinent details. Symmetra does not have a separate article, so all relevant details stay in the character list. -- ferret (talk) 14:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Fortnite BR section[edit]

Imho, too much info on the current drama. Noteworthy if there is really legal actions. Would cut it down to one sentence. prokaryotes (talk) 18:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Btw. do you think the Bluehole article is now noteworthy? It was a rather brief article prior to AFD a few months ago. prokaryotes (talk) 13:54, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
It might be, but hard to say. Just to note on the revision I just did, with the new PC Gamer article, its clear the cloning aspect is not the issue but that Epic has insider knowledge of Bluehole's plans and controls their engine, which needs to be clarified in contrast to article from the day before that all assumed it was about cloning and ownership of the battle royale format. This is no longer a simple issue, and while I do think revisiting the section when more is known (maybe its resolved easily, maybe not) , we can determine how to trim down later, but probably for now we need the larger clarity.--MASEM (t) 14:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
Insider knowledge is entirely irrelevant. This is about replicating a game mode idea, such as CTF (Capture the Flag, Rocket Arena and so on). Let's keep discussion on the talk page, sorry for posting here in the first place. Cheers prokaryotes (talk) 15:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

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A cup of tea for you![edit]

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Family Guy lead, redux[edit]

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Non-free svg files[edit]

Hi Masem. I'm posting this here because (1) you're an admin and (2) you've lots of experience dealing with non-free content in general, but have been involved most of the discussions involving this particular type. A fairly new editor named Vectorebus has been converting quite a number of non-free files to svg format and using them to replace existing files in various articles. I understand there is no clear consensus on this type of thing and some feel such conversions are not in compliance with WP:NFCCP, especially when an official vetor file is not being used. Some of the files are also being added to articles without proper rationales or where the non-svg file had been prevously removed per a FFD discussion, but these things can be resolved as is normally done. My main concern is the new svgs because if they are going to be eventually deleted via FFD, then they probably shouldn't be used in the first place because they will create orphans of files they replace. Anyway, I've started a discussion about this at User talk:Vectorebus#Non-free svg files so perhaps you can clarify things further. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

The key with non-free SVGs is that we only allow them if the official entity provides them directly (which can include extraction from an official PDF). User-created ones are not acceptable. --MASEM (t) 02:20, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for takking a look and posting a comment on Vectorebus7s user talk. That was my general understanding, but it does seem that many of these were simply user-created which would seem to mean that they are not allowed per the NFCCP. However, I also remember this being a point of contention in various discussions at WT:NFCC and WP:MCQ with some feeling such logos should be allowed regardless of being user-created, so I figured I'd ask for another opinion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:08, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

VG preservation[edit]

I added more sources to your vg preservation draft. Just letting you know. TarkusABtalk 03:07, 15 October 2017 (UTC)