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Again, welcome! It's great to have you. Happy editing! --Spangineer (háblame) 15:10, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Richard Park

Hi. I noticed that there is quite a discussion about using flags for NHL players, and the way you do it is by birthplace. But I have a question about Richard Park in particular. I saw that you are one of those who often changes Park's flag to South Korea from the USA. However, at, it is stated at the top that for flags, the following guideline should be observed: "In all cases, though, to take a player playing for a national or Olympic team as a clear declaration of allegiance."

That leads back to Park. He is a US citizen who plays for the US national team. Isn't that a clear declaration of allegiance? Taking that into account as well as his personal history (a native of Southern California) and the fact that there's no proof of him retaining his South Korean citizenship, shouldn't he have an American flag rather than a South Korean one? It makes more sense, since he has never represented South Korea in any international tournaments or anything of the sort but has represented the US numerous times.

Thanks for your time. --Buchanan-Hermit 09:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


Hello, Masterhatch! Thanks for your interest in Korea-related topics. I hope Siheung is treating you well. I'm sorry to say it's among my least favorite places in the country, but I hope you find it otherwise. Incidentally, the article on Siheung could use some expansion, if you feel so inclined.

Concerning the number of English teachers in SK: I'm glad you moved that info out of the Korea article, but perhaps it might fit even better in Demographics of South Korea. What do you think? (If you're interested, that's another article that could really use some work).

I took the liberty of moving the material you added re Konglish to Contemporary culture of South Korea. The "Foreign influences" section there seemed like a better place for it. This is a wiki, of course; if you think my edits (or anyone else's) are out of line, please be bold and fix our mistakes. Of course, we may do the same to yours. Cheers! -- Visviva 06:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wayne Gretzky

Thank you for jumping in and cleaning up the Wayne Gretzky article. It already looks a lot better. :) RADICALBENDER 02:09, August 9, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, thank-you, Andy Warhol.

Speaking of which, do you mind if I hack out that troller's stuff again? I'm considering reporting the IP addresses he's using; there are a lot of hockey forums he could write on, but this isn't it. RGTraynor 16:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)


I've just come across your (many) posts on the talk page on the dispute (Sea of Japan) article. Thanks for that. Stay cool against those unfounded claims (e.g. one map shows X, therefore there's evidence that X has been used for centuries; well, LOL...). Have a good time! Kokiri 09:05, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

I am glad to see that you are still alive! You hadn't made any posts for a while and I was wondering what happened to you. As for the Sea of Japan dispute article, I really like the way that you re-wrote it. You did an outstanding job at making a NPOV article and I want to keep it NPOV. Cheers to you too! Masterhatch 19 August 2005

Number of Edits

I saw your note on Golbez's talk page. I don't think he's on, so I figured I could get you a faster response. :) Anyway, if you go to WP:KT, and click the link it provides, you can type in your name to find out how many edits you have. Acetic Acid (talk) 06:13, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Or for a quickie link, click here! Acetic Acid (talk) 06:14, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
Thank you! That's cool. I am almost at 3000! Masterhatch 31 August 2005
You're welcome. Congrats. :) Acetic'Acid 10:33, August 31, 2005 (UTC)
I wanted ta tell him! And I'm a little disturbed that so many people are reading my talk page. ;) But here ya go. Thanks Acid :) --Golbez 12:49, August 31, 2005 (UTC)

Sea of Japan naming dispute

Thanks for your message. My feeling is that we should just say that each side offers this evidence and those arguments, and give the citations; if we insist that the Korean government give citations, we're entering into the debate rather than simply reporting on it.

Incidentally, I loked at your User page — I used to teach English as a foreign language (actually, given the state of most undergraduates' English, I sometimes feel that I still do), and at the end of a long day it often felt as though I'd used up all my grammar and vocabulary. I found myself making ludicrous and embarrassing mistakes. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 19:05, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

John Howard

Thanks for adding the hockey player in John Howard (disambiguation). Just thoguh I'd let you know that piping and unnecessary wikilinks generally don't go on disambiguation pages. Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) has more info. --Commander Keane 05:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

proper name convention

hello masterhatch, hope your days are less stressful now. about your recent reverts in Korea, just wondering, can you point me to the wikipedia policy that says you shouldn't use local names in an article about that locality? & also, how was it decided that chinese names were the international names for the river dividing china & korea? i'm not saying that's wrong, but i could see it reasonably being either way & i see examples of it being either way in other articles, on both questions, just wondering where i can read the wikipedia policy. thanks. Appleby 03:08, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

thanks, i read the naming convention pages, & it makes sense. although googling seems like a circular argument, especially as wikipedia becomes more popular, you gotta pick your battles. i don't see the harm, though, in providing as a secondary label the local name of major geographical features, in an article about that locality, it would be helpful info for people researching that locality, but i won't argue this point.Appleby 06:28, 29 September 2005 (UTC)
just to make sure you didn't misunderstand me, i'm not saying there is a dispute about the yalu river's english name, just saying that for someone reading about a country, it might be helpful to know, in a second mention or in parenthesis, what that country calls its border river or mountain, for example, since those 500 hits are likely to be more specific to the subject country & thus helpful for the researcher. not for every name, but just some major places mentioned in a good-sized article, so it doesn't clutter up. it just seems like a context-specific judgment call on whether it would help the reader of that article, not a blanket prohibition. again, i don't think your call was wrong, so i'm not gonna revert it, but then i didn't think the inclusion was wrong either.Appleby 07:45, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

hey thanks, hope you're enjoying your labor of love on hockey entries. i was hoping to move on to some other topics i'm interested in, but many korea-related pages are such a mess, it's surprising how few people are actively involved. i'm learning a lot in the process, how did people live before google?Appleby 20:19, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

I accept (almost) unconditionally surrender. English speaking users of an english speaking wiki should be able to search and expect to find without looking for funny dots and rings. My only condition is that a name, such as Lidstrom, should have his 'native' spelling noted and redirected, and possibly even a redirect from his 'translitteral' name (lidstroem). Hdw 13:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Why there are white spaces

The reason there's so many white spaces on the Montréal Canadiens pages are there's a whole lot of graphics, hence the spaces. NoseNuggets 4:23 PM US EDT Oct 6 2005.


Thanks for the heads-up; taken care of. DS 16:26, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Negative Zero

Hi there, do reconsider your vote on AfD for -0. Negative zeroes occur in one-complement arithmetic. Please check out this link! Pilatus 00:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Thank you for doing the Oilers Roster

You're quite welcome. BTW, one, I didn't know about that "Unfinished Current Squad" list, and two, that's probably going to be the only roster I work on. I decided to improve the presentation of that roster because I was watching a game involving the Oilers.  Denelson83  03:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

No problem.  Denelson83  03:55, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

jim paek

the korean name is Baek Jiseon, according to


and this google result (article itself is members only)

56번 자료 보기 - [ Translate this page ] 아리스하키도 이렇게 부흥에 시대가 있었다니..현대정유이어 삼성-데이콤도 ... 만도도 이에 질세라 한국이 낳은 세계적인 스타 백지선(29 캐나다명 짐백) 을 영입,5월 ...

poor guy, got one in the eye?

  • Why are you putting up pages like ??? then redirecting them to Jim Paek? Looks like vandalism??—Gaff talk 03:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Are we now publishing articles in Korean? I thought this was the english language version of WP.—Gaff talk 05:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC) I don't think that it is that big of a deal to have article title redirects from Korean character headings. I just wonder how many people come to an English language encyclopedia and type in Korean alphabet characters. But really, its not a big deal to me at all. Thanks!—Gaff talk 06:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Stubby Trouble

Masterhatch you were saying to show you a page where I was having a problem with the Stubs & Statistics, well the Steve Eminger page I recently created has done that. I can't get the stubs and references under the statistics, so if you tell me or show me how to do it, that would be great, Thanks. Croat Canuck 03:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, It was indeed a copy error, now I can get back to putting references and stubs on my other player biographies that have stats. Croat Canuck 03:55, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

hello again

i've contacted two admins about the anonymous reverts at the sea of japan article, but nothing's happening so far. have you contacted anyone? & also, do you want to drop by & vote on Talk:Kim Jong-il? of course i don't know how you'd vote, but i figured you're a reasonable guy & your thoughts would be appreciated. as you can see, my stubbornness has gotten me into another mess of a debate, but at least the thing got discussed. thanks. Appleby 02:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC) i'm not gonna try to change your mind, go ahead & vote which ever way you feel. i know what you mean by going overboard with pc. & frankly, if someone just asked me in a conversation who kim jong il was, i'd probably say "ruler of north korea." but then if someone asked me who gw bush was, "president of u.s." might not be my first response. anyways, this is supposed to be an encyclopedia, so i'm fighting it out. Appleby 04:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)


I had not put the proper links on the List of NHL players article, but I just did on all the player articles I have created. Croat Canuck 01:49, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

It was Me

Masterhatch, I was the fellow (a month ago) ,who argued with you over Gretzky. I just started using Talk Wikipedia then and was unfamilier with Talk policy. However I'm gradually learning the rules & hope you and other established Talk Users don't view me as a troublemaker ,I've only now discoverd your personal site (User talk: Masterhatch), and wish to apologies for any agravation I've caused you. Mightberight/wrong 21:56 ,16 November 2005 (UTC).

Apology accepted. You have an interesting monkier for Wikipedia, but you need to create an account for it. It is really easy to do and it is free. That way people will know who you are and what you are up to and you become part of the "community". Masterhatch 03:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

I've taken your advice and created an account. My new Username is User:GoodDay, the former name Mightberight/wrong was ruled invalid (as a Username). Feel free to visit, anytime User:GoodDay 01:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC).

Trophy Categories

Hey Masterhatch, I've been getting really heavy into adding the proper categories to player biographies (especially those major junior categories I made recently) and in my travels I have seen succession boxes for Calder trophy winners and I got to thinking as to whether or not it would be appropriate to create categories for the winners of Major individual NHL trophies (Art Ross, Hart, Calder, Norris, Selke, Vezina etc.). However I do think Wikihockey already has a lot of categories to handle. What do you think of it? Croat Canuck 04:56, 29 November 2005 (UTC)


Hey! It's me again. Two things. First of all I'm up for adminship, and would appreciate a vote from you (whether good or bad, but you are somewhat familiar with me and my actions). See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Croat Canuck.

Also, I was wondering if you yourself are an administrator or if you would like to be one? If you would, I would be willing to nominate you. I'm almost positive that you would get full support for your outstanding contributions to Wikipedia, or what I have witnessed most first-hand, your contributions to its ice hockey resource. Croat Canuck 04:15, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Very well, thank you for your vote. Just say the word whenever and I will nominate you. Croat Canuck 03:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your support of my Rfa, Masterhatch. I am happy to announce that I have successfully been voted an administrator, and wish to say that I will work harder to make Wikipedia a more reliable source of information. I apologize if this seems impersonal but it is past my bedtime. Croat Canuck 06:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Idiotic mergers

Heh, I'll trade you. We've got an outsider deciding to clean up our hanging tags (good) but also deciding he knows what's best for hockey (not so good). Want to take a peek and chip Talk:Violence_in_ice_hockey, Talk:Fighting_in_ice_hockey? RGTraynor 06:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Baseball Stars

Pls note that defense is american spelling, and is correct usage in an article regarding baseball. Note, inside the game itself the word is spelt defense (and not defence, which you reverted back to). For a list of differences in spelling, pls read: Themindset 19:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

If you don't care, stop reverting. If you do care, I will file an RFC. I'm fairly confident that my reasoning here is correct. PS- doesn't japan use american spelling? Themindset 20:16, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
As you wish. Pls note that I am hardly biased here, I'm from Vancouver. Themindset 20:29, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Peter Stastny

Hi, could you tell me more about this agreement, please?--Janothird 22:25, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


User:Endroit has filed a RfM regarding East Sea, &c. You were not a named party, but if you want to be involved, please take a look. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 08:11, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

FYI: An RfM (Request for Mediation) has been filed, titled East Sea (disambiguation) and related pages.
You have not been named as an "involved party." However, if you strongly feel that you are involved in this issue, and wish to be involved in RfM as well, please indicate so by marking "Agree" in the section titled Parties' agreement to mediate, and signing your name with four tildes ~~~~.--Endroit 18:06, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Request for Mediation

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/East Sea (disambiguation) has been accepted by the Mediation Committee; mediation will begin on that page as soon as a mediator is assigned. Mediators are generally given several days to review and volunteer on cases which they feel particularly suited to mediate; if no mediator volunteers to take the case, one will be assigned. Please pay careful attention to the mediation subpage, as further communication from the Committee will occur there. (Adding that page to your watchlist would be very helpful.)

For the Mediation Committee, Essjay TalkContact 17:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Ice Hockey

As a member of WikiProject Ice Hockey, I urge you to check out the current discussion that is going on at This Place, it is regarding how the WikiProject can be improved. Flag of Croatia.svg Croat Canuck Flag of Canada.svg 03:53, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Teemu Selänne's name

Why do you keep reverting Wayne Gretzky's records to an incorrect spelling of Teemu Selänne's name? PurplePlatypus 04:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

As has been mentioned in numerous venues over the hockey topics, it is because in the English language in general, and in the various media outlets (the NHL's and local ones included) in particular, diacritical and orthographic marks are not commonly used. Selanne's name is correctly spelled according to such common usage. Obviously in Finland (and therefore, on the Finnish Wikipedia) Teemu's name would be spelled according to their own standards of orthography. RGTraynor 05:20, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for that response RGTraynor. I couldn't have said it better myself. Masterhatch 06:54, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome. Personally, I don't want to hear from any diacritical partisan ever again until the Finnish Wikipedia declares the name of the country in which I live to be "United States of America" rather than "Yhylldstat" or thereabouts. When they spell our proper names the way we like them spelled, I'll concede their right to have their proper names the way they like them spelled. RGTraynor 20:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
It's "Yhdysvallat", and in case you missed it, country names get translated much more often than personal names. I could make your own point in reverse - when the English Wikipedia starts calling my home country by its real name Suomi instead of a Merkin bastardisation "Fnialnd" or however you spell that garbage, I'll look into stopping calling my countrymen by their real names. JIP | Talk 13:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
So let me get this straight: because it happens more often, it's okay to "misspell" country names? Possibly you missed my point, though, which is that proper names are rendered differently in different languages, and that you no more get to dictate how such names are rendered in English than I get to dictate how they should be rendered in Finnish. RGTraynor 14:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
"Yhdysvallat" is a translation of "United States". It's not a misspelling. If we wrote Ünited Stätes, then we'd be misspelling it. Please do not confuse the two. If you want to start translating names of people, you should not move Antero Niittymäki to "Antero Niittymaki", but instead to "Andrew Meadowhill" (niitty = meadow, mäki = hill), which would be a proper translation of his name. If we start anglicizing (however you spell that one...) people's names, then you might want to go to Gategory:German_people (116 pages) or Category:Finnish_people (39 pages) and start removing the dots, lines, etc, from people's names. That'll give you something to do for a couple of months. After you've finished you can move on to french people, and make their names a bit easier to pronounce. I mean, Jean-Baptiste Nompère de Champagny must be awfully hard for you guys to pronounce (don't forget to remove the è). :) --HJV 21:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/East Sea (disambiguation)

I'm offering to take on this mediation. Please note that I am not yet a member of the mediation committee and am under trial. If you are happy for me to mediate please email me using Subject:"East sea mediation", a summary of your view of the issue. MyNameIsNotBob 10:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Apparently, there's been a change of venue, so there's no need to use the email anymore. The mediation is now taking place at User:MyNameIsNotBob/East Sea. Thanks.--Endroit 01:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't Leave

Hey Masterhatch I would ask that you wouldn't leave, perhaps instead of swearing off Wikipedia entirely you could swear off the political/administrative crap and say "to Styx with it" and just edit. I personally am pissed off at all the behind the scenes stuff of Wikipedia (in fact I just came back from a 3-week Wikibreak). I've given up my watchlist, only reverting vandalism when I see it, and just getting back to the reason I joined Wikipedia in the first place. If vandalism is reverted just a bit slower because I don't catch it, that's no wind off my back, and I've learned to accept I shouldn't try to maintain all of the hockey bio articles (my personal forté). So I hope you don't let the politics stop you from editing for the reason you started editing in the first place (whatever that is). It took me 6000+ edits to realize that, and it could not have come any sooner. There are only about 6 or 7 good hockey editors on Wikipedia, and the hockey source needs all the good help it can get. Hope you come back. Flag of Croatia.svg Croat Canuck Flag of Canada.svg 04:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it is better to leave if one can't accept the fact that names should be written correctly. Lapinmies 19:30, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh that is certainly a mature thing to say. Flag of Croatia.svg Croat Canuck Flag of Canada.svg 01:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Lapinmies: Whether or not names should be written correctly is not the issue at all. The issue is about what's correct as well as what's not, and it's not nearly as black and white as you seem to think it is. Aottley 01:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I left because of power abuse by an admin. I have no problem discussing issues with other users, but JIP decided that his way was the only right way and move protected an article without discussion, not to mention that he blew off an agreement that was already in place, which was reached by the majority of the main hockey editors. He didn't like the agreement and so he ignored it and did his own thing. There seems to be no accountability. Also, as i have learned from other "edit wars" that I have been involved in, if there is a disagreement, there is a halt on editing until an agreement is reached. JIP protested the agreement that was in place and instead of challenging it on the talk pages, he move protected the page and then went and changed all the other articles and links and then went on to say that the majority of pages have the diacritics already. In fact, until a month or so ago, the vast majority of hockey articles and links didn't include the diacritics. JIP then "dared" me to challenge him on the issue. I thought to myself "What an ignorant, immature little fuck. People like that aren't worth my time." Masterhatch 01:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah but I'm sure your not editing for the sake of JIP, or any other user on Wikipedia for that matter. Wikipedia is full of jerks, (people have different interpretations of who the jerks are), but that's true wherever you go to...But oh well, I'm sure you've made up your mind already to leave and that's your choice. You will be missed here on Wikipedia. Flag of Croatia.svg Croat Canuck Flag of Canada.svg 05:03, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Ron Anderson

Hello. What was the purpose behind this? The procedure is to create the similarly-named article FIRST and THEN make the disambiguation page, not the other way round (that is, if you are ever planning to create another article disambiguated Ron Anderson article (are you, or not?)). FYI, I track NBA player changes and you've created an unnecessary change that I have to amend needlessly. As mentioned, if you are not planning on making another Ron Anderson, then change it back, or I'll have to request it be changed back - again, creating more work for others.

Remember, If it ain't broke, don't fix it.


Michael Green

Hello, I see you added another Mike Green to the list for Ice Hockey. Is this the same person as currently has an article at Mike Green (hockey)? If so, would it be better to rename/move the orignal page to Mike Green (ice hockey)? However, I can't find any reference to a standard disambig format for hockey players, I'm going raise a question on the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey board to see if there is a standard yet. Regards, MartinRe 11:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Admin nom

Hey, Masterhatch, how goes it? I'm sorry to read that you had a problem with an admin; fortunately, I'm writing to redress the cosmic balance. Croat Canuck was kind enough to nominate me for adminship, and I'd be grateful for a kind word from you in support! Regards, RGTraynor 15:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, my friend; that was a heckuva support response. If I do get tabbed, I won't let the home side down. RGTraynor 18:08, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Steve Smith

I noticed that reverted my move of Steve Smith (hockey) to Steve Smith (Philadelphia Flyers/Buffalo Sabres defenseman). I agree 100% that the latter title is far from ideal but it served the purpose of disambiguating from the other, far more well known Steve Smith very well, as he never played for either of those teams. We had a discussion at Wikipedia Talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey and that seemed to be the most effective title for the article. May I request that you explain why you think that's such a bad title, what your suggestion is for the new title, and may I further suggest that in the future when you make such bold moves that you at least offer an explanation SOMEWHERE for what you have done, other than noting in the edit summary that the result of the previous consensus was "horrible" (which does not help anybody)? — GT 05:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks for your response. I was hoping to get some more input on the matter but it seemed like discussion was at a standstill and after Wikiproject:Ice Hockey I didn't really think there was anywhere left I could go to in order to get a good opinion. I'm definitely not heart-set on the page title I switched to but I definitely would like to see a different title, for reasons I go into further detail about on Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Ice Hockey. — GT 07:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

List of New York Islanders players

Hello! I came across this list today, and saw that you created it awhile back. I would like to get your feedback on whether or not lists like this should still be on Wikipedia, given that there is a [Category:New York Islanders players] in existence. I wanted to bring this up to you first out of respect for your contributions to many ice hockey articles on Wikipedia, so I hope you will take it in the right spirit. I await your feedback! --cholmes75 20:55, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Sounds good to me. Thanks! --cholmes75 19:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Invitation to Shinkansen article

Hey Masterhatch. Could you look at the discussion at the Shinkansen article? I know that you are good with NPOV and neutrality. I disagree with the fact that an article for bullet trains is named Shinkansen just because Japan was the first to pioneer the bullet train market. I've never heard of the word in my life. None of my friends call the bullet trains Shinkansen. Thanks (Wikimachine 15:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC))

Nice catch

I was just about to change labor to labour, but you got it before me :) -- Jeff3000 04:26, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Stuart Smith

Hi, Just wondered why you deleted factual information about stuart smith? thanks

because unless he is notable, then he doesn't get an article. Being an "average joe" does not equal being notable. Masterhatch 04:38, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

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List of every NHL player

Poof. Its all back now. You might want to talk to the people who have the aubpages tagged as speedies though. pschemp | talk 10:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I speedily deleted it because at the time it was just a link farm. Now it's just a list of names, which is good (as less advertising-y), but bad (as now has nothing but names, which means it should be a category). If the redlinks are needed, then the articles should be moved into user space. Proto||type 08:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry that I was unable to dip my hand in the pool sooner, I had internet problems and was unable to be online. I put my vote in at AFD and a few arguments. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 15:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Request for comments on article naming

Talk:World Junior Ice Hockey Championships If you're interested. Thanks. ColtsScore 09:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


I don't really see a consensus on the talk page. I strongly disagree with this. Spelling a name wrong on purpose make Wikipedia unencylopedia. Any encylopedia pusblished in book form would never do this. The names should be spelled with diacritics and have a redirect page without leading to them. This Definately has be to be discussed further. I will refrain from changing further pages for the moment. I urge you do do the same until a consenus is reached. Travelbird 22:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Every encylopedia ??? Take a look at for example, (EB's online edition). I don't quite see why you object to a person's name being spelled in a proper manner. Imagine your user name being spelled Mástrhać one some page, just because someone made a mistake (or didn't have any knowledge of the English language). Redirects provide a perfect sollution for people that don't have diacritics on their keyboards. I may also add that making an exception for hockey player would be inconsistant with other parts of Wikipedia where diacritics are used. Travelbird 22:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from ""

The problem with not using diacritics (especially in resources such as encylopedias) is that most name witll be pronounced differently and may have a different meaning with or without diacrtics. Hacek is pronounec Haw-tsek while Haček is Haw-tchek. A name without diacritcs is spelled wrong. Many people just don't notice it because they have no knowledge of the respective language. Often diacritics are igonored, sometime they are transliterated (e.g. Mueller instead of Müller). But why should Wikipedia strive to be wrong ? That's the part I don't get. Sure many others may not know/care how names are spelled - but why should we make it a policy to misspell names, especially since there are redirects. I could see a point in spelling names without diacritics if there was no way to automatically redirect to the corerect spelling, but since there is - why produce an encylopedia full of mistakes ? Travelbird 22:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

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I guess we agree to disagree. As they say in korean "ggeutimnida" (it is finished) Masterhatch 04:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Gamsahamnida and Anoyong-hegesseyo (see you around) Travelbird 04:23, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Hey MH, Thanks for the praise, your own work on the NHL player articles are just as impressive. As for burnout, I'm in a situation right now where I have quite a lot of free time but that will change come September so my "very active" involvement will probably end around then. I still plan to hang around though! BoojiBoy 01:12, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Booji Boy is actually a character used by the new wave band DEVO in their stage act and videos. I'm not a huge Devo fan anymore but I use the name for a lot of online things still. BoojiBoy 03:28, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Sea of Japan naming dispute

Bad grammer cannot be good reason for removal of a paragraph. Please try to improve rather than remove. The subject itself is well related with the topic. These movements are supported by ideologistic activists in Korea. --Isorhiza 02:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


Hey Masterhatch! I will be restricted from internet connection (thus Wikipedia) most of the time, and I will not be able to respond to many of the arguments that I had already exposed myself to. I discussed much with you, and I think you are a very experienced Wikipedian.

So, on my talk page, I left a list of Wikipedians whom people might contact in place of me. Such people might include User talk:Objectman and many other JPOV advocates.

Also, if you happen to scroll over arguments that I used to continue, and the JPOV Wikipedians' comebacks aren't answered, you could answer them for me -that is, if you happen to know about the subject. If what you know is Japan-sided, it's fine with me. As long as they are answered.

Thanks for doing this favor! (Wikimachine 21:39, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

Today I found out that I will be availed internet access. So no need! (Wikimachine 14:26, 20 June 2006 (UTC))

1978 NHL Amateur Draft

Hi! I would just like to say thanks for helping out with this article. -Electricbolt 19:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

As I was doing the draft, I was mainly copying and pasting coding.. pretty much why there were so many red links and each team had multiple links, but I'll try to keep your advice in mind for the next one. I plan on going through and removing some of the links later on. -Electricbolt 20:19, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I had some sparetime yesterday and removed a few, not all of the links :P -Electricbolt 01:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Template: NHL

Hi! Just curious... is there a reason why you think that the current version of the NHL box is better than one that's more organized, at least into conferences, if not divisions? There was nothing mentioned on the discussion page, and the change was simply reverted (this was not a minor edit, as noted). Thanks! --Kermitmorningstar 18:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

NHL featured?

Hey Masterhatch, I want to apply for featured article status for the NHL status, can you post any suggestions to improve the article on the talk page. Thanks, -- Jeff3000 03:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


Sorry, Masterhatch, but I'm trying to avoid these english diacratics arguments, just because I don't care enough either way to really make an argument. Although if I had to choose, I'd choose just plain North American English with no accents/diacratics, etc., its just something I don't care enough about to argue for. Thanks for asking me to put my 2 cents in though. Croat Canuck Go Jays Go 02:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

See what I mean!?! I have no idea what I'm even talking about, that's why I can't dip my hands into it! But thanks for the clarification, I could've gone my whole life without knowing that. Whether it is an important clarification or not, still remains to be seen. Croat Canuck Go Jays Go 03:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


Hi there! I was chechking out the article with NHL one gamers and I was wondering how I should redirect a player article. I'm about too creat one for Ronnie Sundin who is an NHL one gamer. But he is also an olympic gold medalist, world championship gold medalist and two time swedish championship gold medalist. He is also the player who has played the most games for the SEL team Frölunda HC. He is simply a defense legend in the SEL.

I'm trying too create new articles and updating old ones on SEL players. And Sundin doesn't have one yet but he will soon. And that's why I posr here since it looks like your in charge of the NHL one gamers list. I think it's an very intresting fact that should still be in his article, but how is the right way too redirect so clicking on his name doesn't lead to the list and doesn't destroy anything on the list? I'm new too wikipedia and that's why I'm asking ;) --Krm500 01:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

First/prominent sentence in East Sea

Hello, Masterhatch.

In Talk:East Sea, you are clearly opposed to making Sea of Japan the primary redirect. My position is pretty much the same. However, I am open to modifying the "first/prominent sentence" of "East Sea".

In Talk:East Sea#Where are we at?, the following 2 versions were suggested....

Tortfeasor's version
East Sea is another name for the Sea of Japan. See also Sea of Japan naming dispute.
Endroit's version
East Sea is another name for the Sea of Japan as described by the Sea of Japan naming dispute.

Without changing your position on the issue as a whole, can you specify which of these 2 versions you prefer? I believe Endroit's version treats Sea of Japan naming dispute equally with Sea of Japan, and Tortfeasor's version does not. Also, please also specify if you are still opposed to the idea of having a separate "first/prominent sentence", or if one of these 2 versions would allow you to compromise.

An another issue, Bridesmill suggested using the {{controversy}} tag in "East Sea". Can you comment on that also?

Thank you for your cooperation.--Endroit 14:41, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: page moves

Whatever your views are as to misspelling someone's name really is up to you. But if you had referred to the page history of the Marián Gáborík article, you would have seen that I changed it from the incorrect spelling Marian Gaborík (note: just the í diacritic) to the man's real name, Marián Gáborík. If you want to spell it as "Marian Gaborik" then just go go go for it. – Jared Preston 22:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


Please seek some consensus before you go around moving articles to non-diactric verions. Those diactrics confer a completely different pronounciation that may be completely different for non-english names. It may be much more appropreate to create redirects the diactric-less version to the diactric version. Kevin_b_er 06:40, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Your page moves

I noticed you've been moving a LOT of pages while ignoring the policy on page names; notably, that the article should be the persons full, proper name ( As such, I am requesting that you please stop. ShaunES 06:45, 26 July 2006 (UTC).

The guideline that you cite actually supports Masterhatchs actions. I'll quote it for you:
General Wikipedia Naming Conventions start from easy principles: the name of an article should be "the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things". This boils down to the two central ideas in Wikipedia article naming:
1. the name that is most generally recognisable
2. the name that is unambiguous with the name of other articles
It then goes on to OUTLINE <first name> <last name> format, all of which is irrelevant to this matter. ccwaters 12:55, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


I've blocked you for your unilateral and rapid page moves from diacritic to nondiacritic names and your reverting efforts to undo your page moves. The block will expire in 48 hours. Please email me or use your talk page to discuss the block. The block may be removed early if you agree to refrain from moving pages. AmiDaniel (talk) 06:56, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

This block should be ended immediately, Masterhatch was following specific conventions outlined at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Player pages format#Use of diacritics and non-English characters. BoojiBoy 02:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

It has been more than 48 hours. Why haven't I been unblocked yet? Masterhatch 21:45, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
Your IP was auto-blocked. I have removed the block and you should now be able to edit. -- JamesTeterenko 00:57, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


it's not something i'm passionate about, but your campaign to remove diacritics from various titles is interesting. from a brief look at the two hockey players you mentioned, i would agree that if they're written without diacritics in most english publications, the wikipedia article title should follow suit. however, i'm still puzzled by your position on the pilsen/plzen debate. wasn't it shown that plzen is the most common english form? i admit i haven't followed these talk pages very closely, so wondering if there's something i missed before i comment on the diacritics issue again. thanks. Appleby 04:34, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


Barnstar of Diligence.png The Barnstar of Diligence
For remaining cool under fire and for being dedicated to Ĉöṃмòń Şěŋʂẽ in the face of adversity. BoojiBoy 14:41, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Adding IPA

I'm not adverse to the compromise of adding pronunciation information -- certainly, it seems like the sort of things a lot of foreign (and even English) words could use. I'm trying to get the exact IPA of Jaroslav Spacek now to enhance its usability as an example. Hopefully, this will satisfy the people who are complaining about pronunciation. Doogie2K (talk) 16:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Imjin War/Hideyoshi's Invasions of Korea

Please take a look dispute on the title of the talk:Hideyoshi's Invasions of Korea article.

This was originally named Seven Year War and later Imjin War.

JPOV editors outnumber Korean advocates by 3 - 5:2 (Good friend100 & me).

This is urgent matter, and I really need your opinion -whether JPOV or not.

I know you pledged to counter KPOV edits, but this is completely the opposite. I hope your efforts against POV from Korean editors will be the same against JPOV edits.

(Wikimachine 03:23, 2 September 2006 (UTC))

answer to your response on WikiProject

Well my summer was... interesting.... its hard to do a lot of editing in the summer i found. I had work plus until last week i was on dial-up, it all just made less room for Wikipedia... I'm gonna try and get back into player creation articles and hopefully kick some of that vandalism that seems to stick around for days on end right out. Croat Canuck Go Leafs Go 06:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


Please stop moving hockey player's articles to titles without diacritics. It's pointless, and it's getting a little too repetitive. Put up an WP:RFC on all of this. Ryūlóng 06:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It all depends on whether or not the actual name has diacritics in it. If you went and moved Wikipedia to Wīkĭpėdíâ, that would be pointless, as there are no such diacritics within the name (and it might be move protected anyway). All of these Finnish, Czech, and other European-born hockey players' names have diacritic marks in them, and there are redirects (due to moves and unmoves) that do not have the diacritics in them. Teemu Selanne goes to Teemu Selänne, and Marian Stastny goes to Marián Šťastný. It doesn't matter if you don't put in the diacritics into the search, as you are sent to the correct article with that person's name as the title. Ryūlóng 06:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and moves aren't necessary to make this as such. All you would have to do is make a new page and utilize #REDIRECT [[Insert text]]. Ryūlóng 06:25, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
No, redirects should not be used for diacritic spellings to English spellings. It should only be the other way around. What purpose would it be for a user to type in a name with diacritics, just to be sent to the English spelling which may not be correct? Ryūlóng 06:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Because when someone types in the name without diacritics, they can be redirected to the article with diacritics. For example, try searching for "Pokemon". Ryūlóng 06:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Exactly. Now, how about "Ragnarok". Ryūlóng 06:57, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
Google is bad for this sort of stuff, because they get rid of diacritics in the search (you can look for one thing without them and get it with them). And I believe that Ragnarök is used in the OED or Encyclopædia Brittanica. What you believe is not what could be considered as right. If the man's name is "Petr Nedvěd" then there is no reason that his article should be at "Petr Nedved" or even "Peter Nedved". Ryūlóng 07:12, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
But these are proper names that have been transcribed into English. Not names translated or even transliterated. Ryūlóng 07:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi there! Could you please stop reverting my edits? His name is Sjöberg and the articles name is Sjöberg. --Krm500 22:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

About the diacritics issue

I see you're still as adamantly against the Finnish diacritics as I am for them. I still cannot fathom why you're so adamant about them in ice hockey yet leave them alone everywhere else. There are two fundamental issues here: you're trying to teach me how to spell the names of my own countrymen, and I'm trying to teach you how to write your own language. Ultimately, I would like to see myself win, but in practice, I don't have the strength, and I'm surprised you have. If I kept re-reverting your every revert, I would be tied up with that 24/7, and I like to think I have a life outside Wikipedia. JIP | Talk 17:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding reversions[2] made on October 21 2006 to Jyrki Seppä

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert a single page more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Please note that this is not a warning stating you have broken the rule, rather one informing you that you are close. As such you may remove it after reading. Thanks Glen 03:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Just an FYI Ryulong was warned about 3RR, but it was via IRC as we happened to be online at the same time. Anyway, as stated above, it was not a "warning" - rather a notification in your best interests which you could/can remove at your descretion. If I had warned you and not Ryulong I would in fact (if anything) favoring yourself. Thanks again, Glen 06:04, 22 October 2006 (UTC)