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Now let's see what happens. Mathglot (talk) 09:31, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

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List of state leaders in 1947 - French Co-Prince[edit]

Note to self: User talk:Zoltan Bukovszky edits many articles about world leaders. He claims Léon Blum was French Co-Prince of Andorra and I claim there's no WP:RS that supports that

Mathglot (talk) 03:19, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Re: following[edit]

My sincerest apologies. I just couldn't believe Sandra would go out of her way to repeat her claims on a topic that had nothing to do with the train attack article (and therefore, herself (she didn't even get herself involved before then)). I was pretty frustrated. Versus001 (talk) 06:06, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Hi @Versus001:, in response to your message: No need to apologize to me, I didn't see anything offensive to me personally, I just thought you'd be a more effective advocate for your own cause by staying calm. I understand your frustration, but believe me, it's the best course of action. After you log off, you can go crush a beer can, but try to keep a lid on it while in Talk. Again, I'm not castigating you, it's not my place to do so, and there's no reason to. This is just friendly advice, you'll be happier for it.
By the way, check the note at the top of my page; if we interact again, I prefer to keep conversations in one place, so if I talk to you on your page, just respond there with a ping, and if you talk to me on my page, I'll respond here (like I'm doing now) and ping you (like this: {{ping|Versus001}}) so you'll know there's something here for you to read. Mathglot (talk) 07:35, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

May I ...[edit]

ask if you do paid editing? Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:07, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

@Smallbones: Not a chance, sorry. Not sure whether to be insulted, or complimented because you feel my writing is of such quality that you think highly enough to want to compensate me to promote your company or for whatever pet project you have going on. Or are you picking editors randomly, and asking them this? I think WP policy seriously frowns on this sort of thing. Whatever possessed you to contact me about this? Mathglot (talk) 20:31, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
Now I see what this is about; an accusation—of me!—being a paid editor! See User talk:Smallbones#Recant your accusation of Paid editing immediately. Mathglot (talk) 01:38, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
That's a question anyone can ask, it is not a slur we just ask that if you were a paid editor to point out the COI. It's a matter of good faith that works in both ways, SPA (Single Purpose Accounts) are allowed here if they edit within the guidelines. Demanding apologies for earnest and good faith questions is as ludicrous as forsaking those other editors merely because they are paid to be here. This place is like a fungus and grows on you so one day a paid editor may sample the other roses and just as often some take medication to eradicate the fungus that has grown ;). There are a few long term editors very esteemed (depending on who you ask ) that are paid to edit. An example is one of our site admins User:Jehochman I'm linking his userpage as you can see he puts what he conflict of interests are which is a little different then paid editing it just puts it on the table for everyone. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 01:57, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
I reject your analysis that "it is not a slur [if] we just ask if you were a paid editor." It's only natural that a statement like that appearing on this page might lead respected editors reading it to stop and wonder about my possible status as a paid editor, and wonder why anybody would ask such a question if there were no truth to it, whereas up until now no one has had any reason to wonder about that. "Where there's smoke, there's fire", right? Of course it's a slur if made without evidence, it's absurd to imagine that it is not.
I don't believe that there is any decent, respectful way to ask "Are you (or, were you) a paid editor" on someone's talk page with zero evidence, that doesn't leave a taint or odor of possible serious misbehavior. (However, I would totally be fine with the placing of such a statement if instead one had written, "We believe you may be a paid editor based on your work on Article due to these diffs[1][2][3][4][5], are you?" if a good-faith effort had been made to investigate and find evidence and include it on the talk page along with the question.) However, this was not what happened. No effort was spent, no investigation was done, it's a bare question/accusation with no evidence whatever. Perhaps (and this is pure speculation on my part) it was done out of a desire to save time by skipping the time-consuming investigative part on the part of a busy editor who has done plenty of good work rooting out paid editors, based on their sixth sense of who is likely to edit on a certain type of article (Vemma, for example). However, nobody is perfect, and they made a mistake in this case by skipping the minimal investigation which would have quickly demonstrated the truth of the matter. By their misstep, they harmed my reputation, and they must take responsibility for undoing the harm, as I cannot credibly delete the accusation myself. I'm simply asking for recantation of a baseless accusation and an apology for the bother; that's it.
If you believe someone might be a paid editor, the proper way to do that, imho, is to do a bit of investigation, find some evidence of paid editing, and only then make the accusation (or "ask the polite question" if you prefer). I affirm your statement of "good faith works both ways" if by that you mean that when I defend my reputation and demand a retraction for a baseless accusation I am entitled to the very same assumption of good faith that I am making my demand for legitimate reasons based on policies and guidelines, and that it is right and proper for me to do so. The other editor has accused me falsely of something which is a violation of WP policy, however I have not accused the other editor of anything at all other than making a mistake, which is something we all do on occasion. Furthermore, this error can easily be rectified and it should be rectified, and then we can all go back to editing with no harm done. Mathglot (talk) 06:49, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────That's your choice I suppose but its a mountain out of a molehill in all reality, none the less its up to you how you percieve it, most members here will think it is a non issue. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 21:09, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

  • I agree with the comment immediately above. I just saw this discussion, such as it is, referenced on Smallbones' talk page. I don't know the background to this or how it came up, but sometimes one has to ask questions like that. I don't understand why you are making a fuss, and doing so seems to be an unwarranted accusation of bad faith on the part of the questioner. Coretheapple (talk) 18:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
"sometimes one has to ask questions like that"? How about... What is your real name, Coretheapple? I just have to ask. - Mister 2001:558:1400:10:B15A:74E8:F4BB:162B (talk) 14:40, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

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There's movement at Template talk:Incoherent which needs my feedback. Mathglot (talk) 06:40, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

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The Man from Snowy River[edit]

I have now added a special section to The Man from Snowy River (poem) article about the various adaptations of the poem, with a link leading to the disambiguation page. Hopefully this will cover the situation of the films and other adaptations being recognised - rather than just relying on the template for the information (as has been the case up to now). I hope that this helps. All the best. Figaro (talk) 11:08, 6 January 2016 (UTC)

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Copying within Wikipedia requires proper attribution[edit]

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@Diannaa: Thanks for linking the guideline, it has some useful ideas and links to templates and suggested edit summaries. Actually, I thought I already did attribute my change to History of Tibet (1950–present). Previously unaware of the WP:CWW guideline, I simply followed my own instincts based on my general awareness of WP attribution policies, and provided the following edit summary for that edit:
Since this section previously began, "Reprisals for the 1959 uprising" without any indication of what it was, I adapted 5 sentences and 3 refs from 1959 Tibetan uprising to briefly describe it.
So now I'm confused. What else specifically would you have me do, that I have not already done? My edit summary seems rather more specific than the one suggested at the guideline, which is this:
copied content from [[page name]]; see that page's history for attribution..
I named the source page, I counted the precise amount of content moved, and I gave the reason why. How is that not even stronger than the guideline calls for?
Now that I'm aware of WP:RIA and I'm happy to make any needed attributes ex post facto, but given the current situation, I'm at a loss to see what to do that I haven't already done. Copying was not extensive, so a note on the source page seems unnecessary, per the guideline intro. Unless you're talking about the stronger edit summary attribution example given in section List of authors, but since the source article was created in 2007 and has hundreds of edits since then it would be like searching for a needle in a haystack to find the exact edit that added that text to the source page. If it were simple to do, I suppose WP:CWW would have included a link or instructions on how to do it. If you know how to find the author of a specific edit in the past other than by a tedious search, please let me know. Is there a way to search previous history of an article for a specific string of characters?
I'll certainly keep the CWW guideline in mind in future edits, now that I know about it. For me, by far the most common case of text reuses is when I do translations, but a different attribution mechanism exists for that, namely use of the {{Translated page}} template; see for example here based on the Translation guideline.
If you have specific recommendations about how to improve the attribution per RIA or otherwise, please add or link them here. Thanks. Mathglot (talk) 20:48, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
The edit that triggered a bot report was not the one you mention, but rather this one. It's not necessary to list the individual authors of the source page. All you need to do is say in your edit summary where you got the content. For example, like I did here. Please do this in the edit summary each time you copy material from one Wikipedia article to another. — Diannaa (talk) 20:56, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
@Diannaa: Hm, that's odd, must've been a glitch of some sort; I almost never omit edit summaries on article changes, something must've happened there. Thanks for the link to the edit that triggered the bot report, it would have made things clearer and obviated the need for this exchange had the bot had originally reported to me the offending diff like you just did. If you know who maintains the bot, it would be helpful to pass that along as a suggestion. Mathglot (talk)

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Censorship of the article about David Reimer[edit]

Removed the comment that was formerly here to avoid confusion, as it is a word-for-word duplicate of the comment already posted at User talk:76.102.233.65#June_2016 under a different section header title. Mathglot (talk) 09:23, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Notre-Dame de la Garde[edit]

Hi, you reverted 1 link to a dead link, 1 link to an French site. Could You explain? bkb (talk) 05:41, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, @Bussakendle:. Sure. The External links guideline requires that URLs listed in External links link to an existing website, i.e., links that do not exist on the internet or that never resolve are not helpful for improving the article. I dropped two links that were previously there: one link that 404s (webpage does not exist) and the other one that never resolves (spinner spins forever, browser cannot get the page from the server) as mentioned in the Edit summary for that change.
The removal was actually lenient and probably should have deleted one more link which still remains, because the External links guideline also discourages use of foreign language sites in External links, although there are some exceptions. I'm not sure that the French language link qualifies as an exception, but I've left it in for now.
Does this answer your question? Mathglot (talk) 07:21, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, really not, because of
whereas replacement for #3 Photos personnelles de Notre dame de la Garde. Photographies prisent par Thierry.A des Docks.{{'''deadlink'''}} is dead link!
bkb (talk) 09:04, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
Hi again, @Bussakendle:. Both External links at the article work perfectly since before you commented here. I'm sorry. I really don't quite understand what you're trying to say. I speak French (I assume that's your mother tongue); please repeat your question in French. Mathglot (talk) 09:17, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
@Mathglot: Bonjour, non, ma langue maternelle, c'est l'allemand. Regardez svp. en:WP, de:WP et aussi :fr:WP.
Selon ma opinion, les reverts etaient faux, parce qu'il vaut mieux donner des liens externes en langue anglaise qu'en langue francaise (si faisible, au moins partiellement}. De plus, le lien externe #3 se presente comme 'dead link', il n'existe pas. A bientôt.
bkb (talk) 10:35, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
@Bussakendle: Okay now I understand your language. With respect to your point, "It's better to provide external links in English" I agree completley, per WP:NONENGEL. That guideline does however allow for exceptions and this link may be one of them. If you want to delete it however, please be my guest, no need to get my approval for it.
The rest of what what you said makes no sense to me, although I understand your words perfectly. It's as though we are looking at two completely different article pages. In particular, this makes no sense to me:
"Furthermore, external link #3 is a dead link; it doesn't exist."
Whatever are you talking about? What page are you looking at? Do you have a browser cache problem showing an old version?
Look, this mutual confusion doesn't merit too many more words. Why don't you just go ahead and just make a bold edit to the external links section, and change it in any way you want to suit your taste. When you're done, tell me, and if I have a problem with it, I'll either change it back if there's something clearly against policy, or I'll raise any questions I have about it here.
Cordially, Mathglot (talk) 05:17, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:07, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

@Peteforsyth, Ben Creasy, Slaporte (WMF), and Checkingfax: Help! I tried to register, but it wouldn't let me. Can someone hand-add me to the list, or tell the guard downstairs, or just come get me when I get there at 6? If someone wants to volunteer to email me through WP, I'll give you my cell number so you can text me and v.v. when I get there. Mathglot (talk) 23:56, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

I'll send you a mail. Stephen LaPorte (WMF) (talk) 00:10, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
I hope this got sorted out? Sorry, just noticing this note for the first time! -Pete (talk) 05:43, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
@Peteforsyth: Indeed it did, thanks! Mathglot (talk) 05:48, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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Late breaking invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, July 27 (Wednesday) - change of venue - tonight[edit]

Please join us in the Mission at Noisebridge (one time change of venue)!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

We hope you can join us today, Wednesday, from 6 p.m. on, at our July Bay Area WikiSalon. This month only, we are going to be at Noisebridge, a hackerspace/makerspace 1.5 blocks from the 16th & Mission BART station (see the link for directions). Some of us will be working on the Wikipedia article on basic income. All info here. Some good news - we do not have to be as strict about advance RSVP at Noisebridge, so bring spontaneous guests! (Registering ahead of time is still helpful, as always, as it will help us plan ahead.)

Come and hang out, have some light snacks. Wi-Fi is available, so please bring your editing device if you plan to edit.

Also, Pete just published a writeup of the Wikidojo exercise we did last month. Your comments welcome, if he missed anything! http://wikistrategies.net/ghost-town-royals-wikidojo

The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather at Bay Area WikiSalon to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas. Mark you calendars now.

We allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend.


See you soon! Pete F, Ben Creasy, Stephen and Wayne | (Subscribe/Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, August 31[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, wiki enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We make sure to allow time for informal conversation and working on articles. Newcomers and experienced wiki users are encouraged to attend. Free Wi-Fi is available so bring your editing devices. We will have beverages and light snacks. We will also have a brief presentation for your education and possible enjoyment:

  • Former EFF intern Marta Belcher will discuss crowdsourcing her Stanford Law School graduation speech using a wiki. The "WikiSpeech" was the subject of prominent national media attention in 2015, and more than half of her classmates contributed to writing and editing the commencement address via a wiki.

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, August 2016


See you soon! Pete F, Ben, Stephen and Checkingfax | (Subscribe or Unsubscribe to this talk page notice here)

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Tonight: Live and archived links for Bay Area WikiSalon[edit]

Bay Area WikiSalon, Wednesday, August 31:

If you cannot join us in person tonight, we are streaming (and later archiving) the presentation by former EFF intern Marta Belcher. We expect her to be live starting between 6:30 or 6:45 p.m. PDT and talking and taking questions for about 30 minutes thereafter.

Here is the YouTube stream link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t8V79s2-og
Here is the link to join the Hangout on Air: https://hangouts.google.com/call/ezrol7dafjfwxfh2ilpkjyxoaue

You can search for it on the Commons and YouTube later too.

Wayne, Pete, Ben, and Stephen

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Linking to sections with embedded slash[edit]

Hello Mathglot - I am the instructor for Writing in Women's and Gender Studies. You were kind enough to offer thorough, thoughtful and respectful comments to Student1543 on the Social construction of gender Talk Page this week. I thank you. You also offered very sound advice about linking to sections when engaging in extended conversations about article revisions. This is my first experience with Wikipedia, so I am learning along with the rest of the class. I want to share your advice about Anchor links, but when I look at the instructions at WP:Anchor, they don't seem to jive with the code I see you using in your response to Student1543. Could you clarify a point for me, please? When you are linking to the section titled "Gender identity and sexuality/sexual orientation, you use this code: (brackets eliminated so you see the code and not the link) -

Social_construction_of_gender#Gender identity and sexuality.2Fsexual orientation|GI&SSO

Since the section is the second time that title appears (once in the index), the Anchor instructions lead me to believe that the syntax should be:

Social_construction_of_gender#Gender identity and sexuality/sexual orientation_2|GI&SSO

But, of course, that doesn't work. Can you point me to instructions about the use of the ".2F" in your link? I can't seem to find it anywhere. I see that the auto-link feature has inserted a "(F)" in my own text above, but I don't know why and don't know how to identify a section. Apologies for not going to the teahouse. Since you know where you were and what you did, I thought this might be an easy and not too time consuming question. Thank you for any direction you can offer. Jagrif02 (talk) 17:26, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jagrif02: You're very welcome. This is kind of an advanced topic, but basically WP sometimes acts differently in the Talk Namespace when it sees a slash character, depending on context. In simple text, a '/' is just a character like any other and is displayed as such. So you could write 'and/or' or '4/4 time' and so on, and it's all fine. Inside a link in Talk Space, however, Wikimedia software (which underlies Wikipedia and other project families) assumes by default that a slash is a subpage indicator, as in the name of your course for example, which is under the 'Univ' subpage (which is itself a subpage).
Now, in the article, someone chose a Section header with a slash in it, i.e., Gender identity and sexuality/sexual orientation and any section header in Wikipedia can be the target of a link. However, you cannot link to that section in the normal way because the slash will be interpreted as a subpage indicator. (In addition, the Manual of Style frowns on this usage for stylistic reasons, but that's not germane here.) What you need to do, is to tell the software NOT to interpret the slash character as special, but as a 'normal' slash character. (The software process of exceptionally treating a metacharacter as normal and not special is called escaping the character. Computer jocks in your class can explain more about this if interested.) So you need to escape the slash, and in this case the escaped slash is .2F.
If you want to know more about this topic, you could start at Help:Link#Disallowed characters, WP:WIKICODE, Wikipedia:Page name#Technical restrictions and limitations, and WP:NCTR especially section #Forward slashes and periods but this issue won't arise very often.
Hope this helps!
P.S. I've taken the liberty of adding a section name above your question, to set it off. Please see Help:Using_talk_pages#Sections.
P.P.S. When you want to see just the code and not the rendered link, use Template:Nowiki:
  • <nowiki>[[Social_construction_of_gender#Gender identity and sexuality.2Fsexual orientation|GI&SSO]]</nowiki>
Generally when doing that, I also add the {{code}} Template, which makes it look more like markup and less like running text:
  • <code><nowiki>[[Social_construction_of_gender#Gender identity and sexuality.2Fsexual orientation|GI&SSO]]</nowiki></code>
yields [[Social_construction_of_gender#Gender identity and sexuality.2Fsexual orientation|GI&SSO]] on the rendered page.
Mathglot (talk) 19:24, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

I just want to say thank you for your feedback in Social construction of gender. I appreciate your willingness to benefit and assist new editors through our process of learning. I plan to continue digging deeper into this article and could use your assistance if you are interested, but overall, just wanted to say thank you for your contribution. Student1543 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:34, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

@Student1543: You're welcome. P.S. Please use the 4-tilde version of the Signature which will automatically time stamp your edit. Mathglot (talk) 19:30, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Union de Todos (or, you say Potato and I say patata)[edit]

Hey mathglot what did I get wrong? I have been trying to do the neutral article about this obscure Spanish party from WP:PNT. I know it wasn't perfect but am doing it bit by bit as I usually do. Why did you just blank it? I was in the middle of doing the bottom fiddly bits. I am trying to keep it as neutral as I can. Si Trew (talk) 07:04, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I can understand why you reverted it and I think you were right to say "Oh, oh". I thought the same myself. This was up at WP:PNT and so I tried to put the pieces of the puzzle together, and deliberately tried to convey it in a neutral way. I hope you can helpme with improving the article, some of the translations are very difficult when dealing with politics, but as I said at PNT I do think it needs an article on WP in the most neutral way we can. Si Trew (talk) 07:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
@SimonTrew: The problem is the WP:COI-taint. You realize that a translated article takes on the COI taint of the original, right? It's way too risky to throw away your time on this, as the whole thing will likely have to be deleted; or at least, anything that was written by Helen (founder of the party) which is just about everything. Why waste your time? (Ref: PNT) Mathglot (talk) 07:20, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
@SimonTrew: Two more edits since then? It makes me sad to see you waste your time like this, Simon. This is my last try. Please save your valuable time; don't throw it away on this! I'm going to bed.
P.S. I renamed the section header above; hope that's okay! Mathglot (talk) 07:31, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

!No problemo senor! We just had essentially an edit conflict but not an actual one, sorry I can't do the inverse ! and the cedilla and so on on this KB. I agree with you that it is a pile of junk, but sometimes to translate it shows it up to be a pile of junk – the thing is, you need to kinda delete it as a pile of junk and not because you disagree with any political view. That is going to be the hard one, but I reckon if you or I whack the leader of the party to CSD as non notable WP:POLITICIAN then the ladder is taken from under her feet. To my own view it sounds very kinda General Franco and what did he ever do for Spain? Okay reinstated the monarchy, got the trains running on time, etc... Si Trew (talk) 12:40, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Dear Mathglot, I have just been kinda rehabilitad into Wikipedia today so I said I would take a backwater of doing something at PNT or so forth rather than anything controversial... Not much luck there then! Si Trew (talk) 12:52, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Oh, it totally might be notable, that's not the issue at all. And I'm not making any judgment on whether it's a pile of junk or not, as far as content is concerned. My only concern is that it may have to be removed purely for COI reasons, as it seems so transparently against the guideline. If, given all that, you don't *mind* spending your time translating it, well then, have fun! Mathglot (talk) 18:21, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
But we don't have an article at ES:WP for this, so where is the "original" to which you refer? Was it deleted at ES:WP? Wikidata gives me www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q25104440, without the accent on "Unión", just for gnoming I have marked the existing Union de Todos as {{R from title without diacritics}}, User:Noyster I think moved the page over to that with the diacritic, but I can't find any mention of it on ES:WP at all, where was the "original" then? ES:WP doesn't show it as a deleted page to me and I can't see any conflict of interest discussion about it neither at ES:WP nor EN:WP but I am probably looking in the wrong places... Is it because it was created with a username cunningly similar to the name of the president (User:HELEN MUKORO). ? That is not in itself a COI, I think, unless you take the view that someone is not allowed to write about anything they know about... User:Noyster has done some useful tidy up here while I have been out, it was very much a first pass translation when I left it, so may that user may have a view, too... we might want to move this discussion to its talk page? Si Trew (talk) 21:21, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi, @SimonTrew:. The original version, as far as I can tell, is the article authored by party leader User:Helen Mukoro on English Wikipedia and which started out as a single sentence written in English. It was quickly expanded in Spanish by her and by others, notably by SPA account Aeccspain in this Spanish edit, and in others. Please see the numerous COI and other warnings on her Talk page regarding this article. Please feel free to move this discussion if you wish; I think it's a good idea. Mathglot (talk) 00:13, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

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Invitation to the Bay Area WikiSalon series, Wednesday, September 28[edit]

Please join us in downtown San Francisco!
A Wikipedia panel discussion about journalism

Hi folks,

We would like to invite you to this month's Bay Area WikiSalon. The last Wednesday evening of every month, Wikipedia and Wikimedia enthusiasts gather to collaborate, mingle, and learn about new projects and ideas.

We will have no formal agenda to allow people to freely share ideas and perhaps learn about Wikipedia through hands-on editing. Co-organizer Ben Creasy will be looking at election-related articles to enhance the information available in the upcoming November elections.

Official logo of Wiki Loves Monuments

Co-organizer Stephen LaPorte has suggested doing an upload-a-thon for Wiki Loves Monuments. Niki, the California coordinator for WLM will be in attendance. WLM is an annual event and the official dealine is Friday the 30th for submissions to count towards awards.

Or, you can grab a couch, a booth, or a stool and do your own thing.

Wikimedia community logo (public domain)

Please note: You should register here, and bring a photo ID that matches your registration name. The building policy is strict on the I.D. part. This also helps us figure out how much food and drink to bring in! Feel free to stop by even if only to say a quick hello, but you might have to give us a last minute call if you forget to RSVP. Also, don't be shy about hitting us up if you have thoughts on future speakers or wiki-related activities.

For further details, please see: Wikipedia:Bay Area WikiSalon, September 2016. Mark your calendars now for the 3rd Wednesday in October, the 26th, when we will have a brief presentation.


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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)