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Hope to see you back around soon now I know what name you dissapeared to.Garrie 04:57, 1 December 2006 (UTC)


If You are realy an Australian then you know ther is a magazine called 'The Buletin" and so why don't you read the articles on Telectronics or don't you have the sincerity to follow up on your coments on citing it? Surely you should take some responsibility to read the material and not to simply accept heresay from conspirators intent on preserving the Trainor bulshit. Read the book 'Outside the Square ' and not that nothing was said about Trainor purchasing shares in Telectronics in 1967. In 1967 telectronics had developed 7 pacemakers 3 heart monitors and 3 defids and was leading the world with pacemakr innovations, Trainor and his biographor failed to emntion that! The Clunies Ross Foundation were duped by jim and he went around telling people that he founded the pacemaker industry. He did not and that is why 'Telectronics the Early Years was written and alos to give recognition to Wickham a detail he fails to acknowledge. (Veritas res ipso locquitor) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 20:59, 11 January 2007 (UTC+11 hours)

Thank you for your help on this article. Wikibreak or no, you are the only other non-combatant besides me to do any work on it. Thanks—WAvegetarian(talk) 20:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I completely understand not wanting to get involved. I tried stepping into this dispute about 10 months ago and wasn't able help. Thanks for helping with the references, although many of them seem to be not easily verifiable or verifiably biased, i.e. written by the disputants.
I really hate to simply take the side of the person who isn't cursing based solely on that fact, but it's getting to the point where I'm hard pressed to feel like doing anything else. If there is another outburst I will likely contact the ISP and sprotect the article again as it has devolved beyond a content dispute at this point.—WAvegetarian(talk) 02:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I just wanted to tell you that I'm not trying to be difficult with this source thing. It's just that I've seen first hand how biased Chris Gray is, not that I would necessarily be any different. It all just seems to run afoul of WP:COI#Close relationships.—WAvegetarian(talk) 13:55, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree with you on all points. Thanks for the help you've given. Come the end of the semester (Christmas) I will have more time to put into the article and will contact those admins you pointed me to. Thanks again.—WAvegetarian(talk) 22:24, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your work on the Discussion page, much appreciated, as narrowing the matter to compliance with the rules of Wikipedia is the only way to reach conclusion. From Jenny & me best wishes to you and yours for a happy Christmas and 2007.Geoffrey Wickham 06:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Well isn't that interesting, you can all have a happy Christmas knowing that you have helped wickingham destroy Chris Gray and Noel Gray from the coments that Wickapedia have published about "fantacies" told about Telectronics. We shall see about that. Might I say that you have been biased and have I believe disregarded the refferences provided. All published material from the time (1960-78) suports the year 1963 and you would do well to alter the entry in accordance with them. Since there is no way you have to verify the references except to take the word of the anonimous editors I suggest that the Wickapedia establish a procedure for sourcing and reading all publications before you allow people to make statements that can be defatory or slanderous. ( Intelegent observer)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

I'm not entirely sure how Chris Gray has been destroyed. After all, there is no article on him and he is not mentioned in the article Telectronics. As for destroying Noel Gray, even if it is fallacious, I don't see how sharing the credit for incorporating, as the intro no longer says anything about founding, Telectronics could possibly ruin him. I urge you to take a deep breath and consider what you are writing before you are typing. I am taking you at your word that you are an intelligent reader, which means that you were writing quite hurriedly and heatedly to misspell references, anonymous, defamatory, and intelligent. I would also like to alert you to the fact that you have been habitually misspelling Wikipedia. It derives from the Hawaiian "wiki wiki" and does not contain the letter c. (Apologies Golden Wattle for posting this here as well as on the IP's talk page. I just think it unlikely that the editor will ever see it there since he is dynamic. Please feel free to delete this post if you mind its presence.)—WAvegetarian(talk) 00:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


Season's Greetings from CrazyInSane! How have you been? I see you're taking a wikibreak as well! Wow, I haven't been here since August and it's great! Just wanted to let you know I'm back until 25 December, and that I look forward to working with you during this period of time if you're available. I've already made some edits, moving Christmastime greetings to Winter holiday greetings, and am looking forward to getting in the editing mood this holiday season!. Anyways, if you don't respond in time then have a Merry Christmas, and a great New Year 2007!. — `CRAZY`(lN)`SANE` [discl.] 05:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding you message on my talk page

As you know, WP:PROD says "please consider", which implies that it is not nesscary. That said, sometimes I do leave notices on peoples pages when PRODing and sometimes I don't. Since that is not a requirement, I don't always consider leaving the templated message. Cheers! -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 19:03, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. I will take it into consideration in the future. Cheers again! -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 19:11, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

AfD Nomination: Tontine Group

I've nominated the article Tontine Group for deletion under the Articles for deletion process. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that Tontine Group satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. I have explained why in the nomination space (see What Wikipedia is not and Deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tontine Group. Don't forget to add four tildes (~~~~) at the end of each of your comments to sign them. You are free to edit the content of Tontine Group during the discussion, but please do not remove the "Articles for Deletion" template (the box at the top). Doing so will not end the discussion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Moeron (talkcontribs) 19:10, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Wikipedia:WikiProject Australian maritime history

Appears viable and is now started - please excuse any rough patches in the start - any suggestions would be appreciated! SatuSuro 01:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome, but I'm not an Australian

Thank you for your welcome; however, I'm not Australian. I merely contributed to several articles with Australian themes. Sono un italiano. Saluti, Carmela Soprano 08:35, 7 December 2006 (UTC)


I am pleased as well; Nice work on the citations. Cheers! -- moe.RON Let's talk | done 20:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

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Doing something about the ridiculous date autoformatting/linking mess

Dear GW—you may be interested in putting your name to, or at least commenting on this new push to get the developers to create a parallel syntax that separates autoformatting and linking functions. IMV, it would go a long way towards fixing the untidy blueing of trivial chronological items, and would probably calm the nastiness between the anti- and pro-linking factions in the project. The proposal is to retain the existing function, to reduce the risk of objection from pro-linkers. Tony 05:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Second opinion sought / Donkey show

Apologies for my late reply. Been busy around the home of late cleaning up the place ready for the bushfire season (we live on a 10acre block, which attracts all kind of junk from the winds). I wanted to give this topic a good look into (for research's sake of course, nothing more :) and took a little longer to reply than usual. Sorry about that. I don't enter that area of the encyclopedia often, but I'm not squeamish when it comes to most topics. It seems the delay in my providing a reply to you has settled the disagreements there, and the article appears to be referenced far better than it was. Is that a correct understanding? Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong now that I'm about again on a more regular basis and can give most matters full attention. -- Longhair\talk 01:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Royal Historical Society of Victoria

Headline says it all. Now a stubbie!? Happy Wikibreak Fred.e


You have SatuSuro 03:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Careful please!

Sorry I am aware that you are a strong minded/willed administrator (and I am a little afraid of the penalty for telling you the following) but could you please be a little more careful when you edit into New South Wales towns/villages? The entry that you included as follows actually refers to the Victorian town of Mitta Mitta not the New South Wales town. This is quite obvious when you read the top of the Fairfax Digital reference that you included.....


Okay you prompted me to look at Henty and I note the Image Gallery that you put up. Are you asking me if I think that the three images that you put up are good images? If so yes I think they are very good and add good value to the article.VirtualSteve 02:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Mitta Mitta

You posted a good question on the Mitta Mitta, NSW talk page. I replied in some detail ... and would appreciate your thoughts and logic given that it is a question that confronts almost all other similar articles.VirtualSteve 22:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Speedy Delete - Stanbridge, New South Wales

Hi can I ask you for admin help? Someone has posted a bio entry on Stanbridge, New South Wales which is a part of our Riverina template in an attempt to provide an article about a Standbridge family. I have posted a {{db-bio}} on the page, but also elcomed the editor on her talk page whilst at the same time informing her why her page is not appropriate. I wonder if we can delete her page (so that its history is clear) and then if you let me know I will put up the appropriate place entry straight up on the fresh page. Not sure if that is an appropriate question to ask you - and if not I apologise.VirtualSteve 07:37, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Wow if that was you that was quick - thank you.VirtualSteve 07:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I think we might have frightened him away. I think the partner page must be deleted for copyvio. I'll watch both for any developments. --Tagishsimon (talk)


No worries, glad to help --Astrokey44 08:15, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Riverina - origin of name

Just wanted to say that the info you added regarding the name "Riverine" being between two rivers etc is a very interesting tit-bit of information. I had been wondering why and for example why the Laclan catchment area (a river after all) could not also be part of the Riverina - and your entry tells me (us) in one easy sentence. --VS talk...images 05:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I wonder if the actual article in the Border Post (which even though it ended in 1902 has a link to the current Border Mail) would give us more detail of the reason for the mail. For example did Argentinian Horsemen roam the area and thus start the name Face-glasses.svg - much like the Ghan is named after the roaming Afghans on camels. Anyway I am not sure how to get a hold of the article but if I can help please let me know.--VS talk...images 05:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Does this help... It seems that the writer of the Border Post article may have been John Dunmore Lang. This page states at page 14 ...The same sentiments can be distinguished in provincial newspapers of a century ago and even in the writings of John Dunmore Lang as he described the neglect by the government in Sydney of the Port Phillip District and parts of inland New South Wales as early as the 1840s and 1850s. It was he, indeed, who made one of the first suggestions for establishing New States when in 1857 he advocated the setting up of an 'inland and RIVERINE colony. --VS talk...images 05:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I suspect Lang had no direct link to Argentina but instead the name reflected the high level of interest in Argentina by British investors after independence was won from Spain and internal conflict ceased. See History of Argentina#Birth of Argentina. Perhaps there was a desire to piggy back on this high level of interest. (previously left on VS' talk page but perhaps of interest to you as well.)--Mattinbgn 07:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Pf course a cite to that effect if true would still be useful--Mattinbgn 07:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Mirrool - edge of the Riverina

I have just uploaded Mirrool and whilst I appreciate it is not conclusive proof I noted (as I literally rode out of town towards Beckom a sign that indicates that you are coming through the gateway of the Riverina at that point and have posted that image (and a couple of other interesting ones) to the Mirrool page. Thought it might be worthwhile telling you and Mattinbgn in light of the points being made about West Wyalong on the Riverina page. --VS talk...images 07:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ariah Park

Thanks for your message. I have already started a gallery at Ariah Park. Please add any photographs that you think will further enhance the article.--VS talk...images 10:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Photos to Commons

  • Thanks - I have not considered this before. I confess I do not know much (probably read anything) about Wiki Commons. I do not have an account (unless my English account is transferable?) but I think I'd be happy to re-upload all of my images there under GFDL (self-made). I'll look into creating an account - any tips SFriendly.gif? --VS talk...images 21:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have created an account and will start transferring images over the next week or two.--Mattinbgn 22:30, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks - as you know I have created an account also and will upload images there too. PS nice pic of Wymah (that's a great fun ferry crossing isn't it?) --VS talk...images 00:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Is it possible (or appropriate) to link to the Wikimedia commons page Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales in the cities, towns and settlements section of the Riverina article in a similar way to the link to the Jerilderie letter in Wikisource in the Jerilderie, New South Wales article. Thanks.--Mattinbgn 00:24, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Belated thanks for the Wikimedia Commons link in the Riverina article as above and for the welcome at Wikimedia commons.--Mattinbgn 12:45, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Riverina towns progress list

Hi, I have finally got the table of the Riverina towns together as discussed earlier. You can find it here: User:Mattinbgn/Riverina Stuff. Not the greatest name and the table doesn't exactly look pretty but it's a start.--Mattinbgn/ talk 12:10, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Finalisation of entries to Riverina Template

Hi Matt and GW. I have tried to progress systematically across various road maps to include, as far as I can tell most rural community, hamlet, villages and towns within the template. The odd ghost town which is not on a conventional map, for example Mitta Mitta and Brushwood will be found as we travel around looking for photographs. There may be one or two errors which no doubt will be adjusted as we go through and complete articles and additions. However after combing through the maps tonight and double checking all of the names I think the current list is very complete and you might like to use it for basis of the checklists that you have created/are creating both here and on Wiki Commons.--VS talk...images 12:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales

Hi Golden Wattle - I hope you approve of a major re-write I have completed on our gallery page at Towns of the Riverina, New South Wales. As of today's date there are 251 localities on Template:Riverina. Each of these (as you will see) now has their own images page on Commons and is ready for uploading. (I have almost 200 images to upload which I will attempt to finish over this next week). Regards --VS talk...images 09:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have now made a start on tagging the images. Cheers--Mattinbgn/ talk 11:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Transwikid images

Thanks GW - I did notice your answer to Matt. Is it correct to assume that a transwikid image automatically appears on an article on wikipedia from commons once the wikipedia image has been deleted (assuming of course that the name is the same - or does an editor have to add further information to the image link that points it to Commons)? --VS talk...images 21:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Good stuff - thanks Golden Wattle. I am adjusting the name of images slightly on Commons on occassion so I will just have to match the names with Wikipedia articles but otherwise I will speedy delete wiki images also (once I get the time to upload them all to Commons - hopefully this weekend SSceptical.gif --VS talk...images 23:10, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Image source

You're half right about the source tag you removed from the album cover. Fair use images must have a source. However, the source it the album cover (doh!). So yes, this image doesn't need additional source information. Not as I understand it, anyway. Rklawton 22:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


I am happy to report SoleteRayosÑajo.gif that there are no more redlinks on Template:Riverina. The template is therefore complete (other than for locations that we will stumble upon in the future). --VS talk...images

Locations/Distances - G'day Golden Wattle. I have added some thoughts here with regards putting 4 locations and distances up within each info box on localities within the Riverina Template. I would appreciate any comments? --VS talk...images 08:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Hi there, Thanks for your comments on this point at the template talk page. I have tried to clarify my thoughts as I may not have communicated my intention regarding Vic border towns clearly? --VS talk...images 21:57, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for checking SatuSuro 09:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)ia]]

Category: Racism in Australia

Hi Golden Wattle, sorry for the overly enthusiastic entry into categorisation. I'll have a read of the discussion and definitely contribute. Thanks for the heads up. Please drop me more hints if I'm out of step with Wiki culture. Sholto.mac 04:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Riv and Commons Page

Count me in to Wikiproject Riverina. I like the idea of the table on the commons page and have responded to your suggestion on the talk page but I have requested that we keep the TOC for ease within the table. --VS talk...images 02:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


Hi, I saw your request and have added the WP:Riverina to the talk page template as requested. tag is Riverina=yes or riverina=yes .. please remove this template from the your talk page once youve got this message Gnangarra 04:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC) {{WP Australia|Riverina=yes}}

Also youve now also got a category for all riverina articles its a red link at the bottom this talk page Gnangarra
  • Mattinbgn and I are wondering about the protocol for double-tagging the Riverina articles. Can we get a third or fourth opinion please? If you see our combined talk pages on Riverina tagging you will see the different strategies that we are taking. In appreciation. --VS talk...images 11:55, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review of List of people who became famous only in death

You created a duplicate deletion review. It has been speedy closed as a duplicate. Please check for active and (via what links here) recent reviews before creating a new one. You may wish to offer your opinion in the active review. GRBerry 23:00, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!


Wishing Matilda/Archive09 a very Happy First Edit Day!

Have a fantastic day!

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Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration

I have initiated a Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#Nearly Headless Nick disregarding consensus and consensus-related policies, a matter in which I believe you to have been involved in the case history of. Your commentary may be appreciated. Balancer 13:44, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Would you mind reposting your statement over on the RfC I just opened - Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington (2nd RfC)? Balancer 23:29, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I really hate to be a bother, but would you also summarizing briefly your attempts to resolve NHN's actions re: consensus in AFD closure and deletion policy in general, and the response with which they were met, in this section: Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Sir_Nicholas_de_Mimsy-Porpington_(2nd_RfC)#Evidence_of_trying_and_failing_to_resolve_the_dispute (and sign)? It's all in your statement already, I know, but the book-keeping will be easier this way. I'd much appreciate it if you did. Balancer 02:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Irrigation in Australia

Hi. I've posted info messages to both Portal talk:Water and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers advising people that there is a proposed collaboration on Irrigation in Australia or similar. You might want to get in first and create one or both of the articles. If you and Matt have decided that both should exist, we might have to work out how to split the ACOTF nomination. --Scott Davis Talk 00:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Eureka Stockade

I've been told that when you're referencing specific things, like quotes, numbers, dates etc. that an inline citation is desirable. Inline citations are also considered good if something's controversial, as the Eureka Stockade still is. I'm beginning to read through the online references listed, to search for some of these figures myself, and help the article. Some of the online references have 404ed, though. Sorry about marking the edit as 'minor' wrongly, I didn't know about that guideline.-Malkinann 01:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Caroline Chisholm

True. There is a big difference between commemorating someone in a church calendar and declaring them an official saint. However, according to the Saints in Anglicanism page, the Anglican Church has only ever officially "created" one saint, Charles I of England. They are much more likely to simply commemorate them in their calendar. The same can be said for the various Lutheran churches. However, if they are not included in the project, then the project shows a pronounced apparent bias toward the Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches, who are the only churches to regularly use the word "saint". The only way to counter this is to add the names of all those included in the various Christian liturgical calendars, and the project (that is, me), is now in the process of trying to tag them as well. I have added a statement regarding her inclusion in the Calendar of Saints (Church of England) to the introduction. Given the close ties the CoE has with several Orthodox churches, it is possible that she is commemorated in one or more of them as well. Unfortunately, I can only go through one calendar at a time, and I really haven't gotten to their calendars yet. I should get to them later in the week. I do however see your point that the word "saint" does not often get used by the CoE, and would personally take no direct action to restore either the category or the banner were you to remove them. John Carter 22:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I have proposed the change to the category name as per your suggestion on the project talk page. I do agree that the length of the name might be seen as some as problematic, which is why I am waiting for other opinions before taking action to rename it. And I clearly agree that the Saints in Anglicanism page needs a lot of work. Most of the similar pages we have are in rather poor shape as well. As soon as I get through tagging all the relevant articles, I intend to start addressing the quality of the more important articles. Right now, the two most active members of the project are User:Pastordavid, a Lutheran minister, and myself, a Roman Catholic, so I am relying somewhat on him to assess the importance of the articles dealing with the individuals from the Protestant calendars. But when we're done with the tagging process, which might be later this week (I hope), I hope to be able to help improve the quality of the more important articles, like the liturgical calendars, generally by copying the formatting and content of the better extant articles. John Carter 22:26, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Blue School AfD

I saw your comments on my talk page. I've formatted the references in the article (and read them) and I think enough info. has been provided to retain the entry. Zahakiel 02:53, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Dethridge wheel

Nice article here. Let me know if you require any images of irrigation in the Mildura region, or even a current image of a Dethridge wheel. I'm a little busy away from Wikipedia at the moment, but I've always got my camera handy when I'm out and about. Cheers. -- Longhair\talk 10:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


Updated DYK query On 24 February, 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Dethridge wheel, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Carabinieri 11:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Compass Resources

Could you please have a look at Compass Resources when you can? I sprotected it after two anons were having POV wars over it, but picked the last version, and tried to clean that up, rather than picking an earlier shorter version. The trouble is I don't really know a lot about the company, the project, or the current issues. Thanks. Rum Jungle, Northern Territory is nearly as bad, but hasn't had the destructive edit war. --Scott Davis Talk 11:53, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Soldier settlement (Australia)

Hi Golden Wattle, soldier settlement schemes directly influenced every state of Australia and have a direct link to irrigation commencement etc. Until today there was no article on Wiki covering the topic. I have started it and have also suggested it to be a WP:ACOTF article - would welcome your support if you think that such an article is appropriate for a collaboration project? --VS talk...images 02:04, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Hey that is a good idea - I will bring my creative writing skills into play. Thank you. --VS talk 22:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


Thank god an admin finally got there - that edit war was going far too long... cheers SatuSuro 02:27, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Golden Wattle, under what category within WP:NOT do you justify your decision to remove the disputed content? I think the disputed content is a candiate for further dispute resolution according to Wikipedia's guidelines. WP:M should be the first stage. If all else falls then it should go to an Arbitration Committee. I have also contacted via email the reporters responsible for the orginal article from the Herald Sun about this incident.

Have a nice day.

Tezza1 08:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Commons upload request

Wondering if you had considered transwikying this one of your images Image:TumbarumbaNSW20050423c.jpg to Commons and then on to our Towns of the Riverina Category page? --VS talk 09:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Great - didn't want to miss this image from our collection. And thank you for assisting with all three settlement images. I had not come across this type before hence putting them on to English Wiki - I will move them over to commons now that I know. --VS talk 20:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for further info. Any ideas as to what category to save them to in Commons? --VS talk 20:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Cool. Great tips. Hope you have a great (end of the working week) day . --VS talk 20:46, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for speedy deletion, and good point on Crown Land. --VS talk 23:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Soldier settlement (Australia)

Good news! Our nomination to DYK on this just got accepted and uploaded to the main page. --VS talk 23:21, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

1877-78 Australian cricket season

Only prod'ing that one article? Almost all the Australian cricket seasons are like that. *Mishatx*-In\Out 04:04, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I see. Well, the user who created the template and the articles has left WP, so I added a note at WT:CRIC to solicit help for those articles. *Mishatx*-In\Out 04:14, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Intro length

This is a very straightforward tag that doesn't need discussing. Either an intro is too long or it isn't. Yes, I can imagine you feel a little embarrassed because it's on DYK but it could be worse (I created this a few weeks ago, put it up for DYK and was rewarded with a deletion nomination). But that's the whole point ... you should expect the community to come by with suggestions for improvement, or actual improvements.

Yes, I would do it myself but I don't know the subject well enough to make informed edits to that passage (Also, it's close to midnight where I am and I don't feel up to the kind of editing needed). But I bet someone who does can easily consolidate that into the requisite three grafs in one edit. Daniel Case 04:27, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Looks like you did exactly what I was doing when we had an edit conflict. Really, the main problem was what you saw ... you had the beginnings of a history section in the lede. That's all it needed. Daniel Case 04:38, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Request an account

Thanks for helping. I do agree with you on the instruction creep- it's entirely necessary (though I had resorted to just viewing diff-by-diff). I also replied to your comment- if you remove a user because the name already exists, let me know and I'll send them an e-mail. Ral315 » 09:23, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Done. Ral315 » 10:51, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Survey Invitation

Hi there, I am a research student from the National University of Singapore and I wish to invite you to do an online survey about Wikipedia. To compensate you for your time, I am offering a reward of USD$10, either to you or as a donation to the Wikimedia Foundation. For more information, please go to the research home page. Thank you. --WikiInquirer 02:07, 4 March 2007 (UTC)talk to me

Irrigation in Australia is new ACOTF

Hi GW. Irrigation in Australia has been selected as collaboration of the fortnight. Keep up the good work! --Scott Davis Talk 13:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Sunraysia locality nominated to DYK

Hi fresh from our recent success - I just thought I'd let you know that I have posted the locality Boinka to DYK as detailed here - with the view to it gaining some interest, amongst other things, in Template:Sunraysia --VS talk 12:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Late night vandal attacks

Howdy Golden Wattle - Just letting you and Matt know that we have a late night sneak vandal attacking pages under the IP - tonight that person has targetted at least Gundagai and Wikipedia:WikiProject Riverina - just mentioning it so we can all keep our heads up. --VS talk 12:55, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I would say it's our favorite banned Gundagai anon again. -- Bidgee 14:28, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the reversions - I agree it is definitely the anon editor again as she inserted the same text as before. Again a Telstra IP but this time from Canberra rather than south-east Australia general.--Golden Wattle talk 20:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Here we go again [1]. -- Bidgee 05:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

More today on Dog on the Tuckerbox. Since reverted. --VS talk 00:39, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

And again this evening at 10.38pm - IP address Just for your info and maybe indefinite increase in ban? --VS talk 12:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Saw the reversion on my talk pg. Thanks. And so it goes on with this editor it seems - funny for that amount of work with some positivity he/she could make a big useful difference - but then as psychologists call it - some people have total Negative Affectivity. (PS also thanks for your kind comments about Valerio Ricetti - he was a fascinating subject to research and write about).--VS talk 04:03, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


I was on a short scholarship at ANU when that happened - just noticed the article - it was crazy SatuSuro 09:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

My humblest apologies for the offensive comment. It wasn't meant to be offensive, and if I had thought there was the potential for offense I certainly wouldn't have said it. Obviously a bad misjudgment on my part. I'll consider your other comments and get back to you. Hesperian 13:55, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


Yes - nice neat article no mention - will sort that out in next day or so... SatuSuro 22:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: repeat vandal warning

Unfortunately, it is not evident from the repeat vandal banner the extent of disruptive edits from this IP address. I disagree with anyone removing warnings from any talk page, though I respect that you have your reasons for doing so. Other users should be able to see the full list of warnings easily and be able to reach their own conclusions about the activity of a user, either IP or registered. Removing warnings, even for the best of reasons, only serves to obfuscate the level of abuse from the IP adress. Yes, other users can check the history to see the full extent of warnings, but I disagree that they should have to. Leave all warnings open and public and have the faith that other users and admins will be able to reach their own conclusions about this and other users. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 00:44, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough rationale. I understand your position, respect it, but still disagree. Two final points to defend my position:
  1. If the address is dynamically assigned, then repeat vandals using the same service will not build a long history of warnings, and thus these will not be removed. A vandal using a static IP address should be able to be blocked long-term, or even indefinitly, just as a username can be. Admins need to be able to reach decisions in a short amount of time on how to handle a case of vandalism, the activity at AIV shows that there is a shortage of admins for the volume of work that needs to be done there. Leaving all warnings public lets an admin see clearly the level of abuse, and whether that evidence shows the IP to eb a single-user IP or multiple user IP.
  2. Again, if the IP is used by many people, then it is unlikely that the same vandal will use the same IP over and over. Messages left will not reach more than a page long; if they are more than a page long, it is evidence of a single-user IP, and should be treated accordingly.

--Jayron32|talk|contribs 00:59, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Hi Golden Wattle. Can you help with getting rid of this? I am not sure about the correct way to go about deletion. Thanks in advance.--Mattinbgn/ talk 12:12, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi Wattle. I spotted this message and deleted the nonsense.--cj | talk 12:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

1850-51 Australian cricket season etc

with the less tedious process... I would have just prodded them with the rationale you left at the AfD. Hope that's not a misuse of prod but I would have done it anyway. I hope nobody picks a fight over them!Garrie 05:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


thanks for helping...dont know whats the point of trying to hold the article back--Thugchildz 01:31, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Deletion requests/Image:Cricket World Cup trophy.png Please take a look at the deletion request again, people are making judgments and assuming bad faith which is causing them to do this. They are saying its not safe to keep that picture while there is more that dozens of pictures of other trophies but instead of deleting those, they are going after this. Which is a replica picture, because the icc doesn't give the original trophy away and replicas/copys cant have copyrights. So please explain them that! and if its not free then tell them to find it where the user has taken it from. Because is search and couldn't find a picture like that.--Thugchildz 05:11, 14 March 2007 (UTC)help

Irrigation in Australia

Sorry - new user being overkeen. I still think that the citation requests I inserted in the introduction and the grapes section are appropriate. Having looked at the Chaffey and Harvey citations more carefully, I'm happy to admit that my citation requests were superfluous. Sorry for being over-active with my 'citation needed' tag - I didn't mean to be disruptive. Other articles I've watched approach FA status (eg. Paul Collingwood) are covered in citations and I thought this was standard Wikipedia practice. Cricketgirl 19:47, 14 March 2007 (UTC)