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May 2007

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North Portico v. South Portico

Hi UpstateNYer. The subject of which White House façade is either more identifiable, more of a "trademark" image or an official entrance has been discussed several times on that article's talk page. There has been general agreement that it is the north façade. Your image has greater saturation of color but also is dark in the foliage areas. Please share your thoughts at White House article discussion. Thanks. CApitol3 (talk) 20:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Second moment of area

Nice images for Second moment of area. RJFJR (talk) 14:51, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/John Trumbell's Declaration of Independence

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Hi, MattWade, welcome to WikiProject Civil Engineering!

We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying, categorizing, and improving articles related to Civil engineering. Some points that may be helpful:

  • Our main aim is to help improve Civil engineering-related articles, so if someone asks for help with an article, please try your hardest to help them if you are able.
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If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you.

And once again - Welcome!

Welcome onboard! There's not really much going on in the way of an organised project at the moment I am afraid but members generally just fix up articles they know and address any problems brought up at the talk page. Thanks for joining - Dumelow (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome to WikiProject Universities! :D

Happy to join; thank you! UpstateNYer (talk) 03:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Please feel free to contact me on my talk page or on #wikipedia-en connect if you have any questions. - Jameson L. Tai talkcontribs 03:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/New River Gorge Bridge

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Excellent! ~ UpstateNYer (talk) 16:16, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Mumbai Attacks

Hi. I would like to know if my comment might cause you to change your mind regarding a page move. Thanks, --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:08, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Acid tests

Hi, you added the "see also" sections again to the acid tests. but these links are already in the template. do we really need the link more than once a time? --mabdul 0=* 17:35, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I was on my typical "Random article" rounds and figured I'd toss those in. I personally always go for the "See also" section first, but I guess the box works. I didn't even notice it the first time around. Maybe b/c it's so small? Not sure. I'll revert my edits though. ~ UpstateNYer (talk) 17:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Bowling club

Their is a Middle School Bowling Club its either that you dont beleive me or you want to keep the page to your self so may please stop deleting bowling club.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dogz279 (talkcontribs)

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Please come back to the Mount Redoubt FPC. Anedit has been added. Thanks, —Ceran»^« 01:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Your uploade NY icestorm pics

Hi, please consider uploading such images directly to commons the next time so they can also be used at wikinews or in other languages. --Matthiasb (talk) 22:04, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Image sizes

I changed it to 200px ... per MOS:IMAGES 300px is the maximum permissible, but 150px is smaller even than the default thumb of 180px and, in fact, there's nothing requiring that as the max image size (I personally prefer 300px, but since I have a large widescreen monitor at home I may be biased :-), and I do understand that what looks great on 1920x1200 may not on 800x600).

I also reverted the move of the first image of Inwood to the right ... at that size it doesn't look good with the twice-as-wide infobox above it (and per MOS, as well as general layout aesthetics, you're supposed to harmonize image width and fixed-size templates).

But can you readd that change about roundabouts being small by definition? I couldn't find it in your diff. Daniel Case (talk) 21:16, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I also just reverted your edits to Downtown Cohoes Historic District. I had that map where it was because a left-justified image right under a section hed tends to distance the hed from the text (this is what MOS:IMAGES is talking about, whereas putting a left-justified image above a section hed puts the hed itself on the same justification, which works. However, in the first section this pushes up against the bottom of the TOC and doesn't work, usually (I know there's some way around that but I can't remember what it is). Also it squeezes less text against the infobox that way)).

As for the Falls pic ... it's a nice idea but as I said having images below or almost just below the infobox that aren't the same width as the infobox looks awful, and I'm not sure that the falls image is really relevant other than a passing mention in the adjacent text (it's hardly underused, considering it's in the articles on both the falls themselves and the city). I really can't find a place for it otherwise (and it's a shame to take a nice panoramic pic like that and compress it into 150px).

The pic I would really like for that article is a nice old PD pic of downtown. There's a great color one in that city PDF that I used as a source ... if I can ever find out what year it was taken I'd use it. Daniel Case (talk) 06:21, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for December 2008 ice storm of New England and Upstate New York

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BorgQueen (talk) 06:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

You removed a source I added

I came to ask why you removed a source I added into the ice storm article. This source is not good enough to list the outages? I think we should just delete the whole section if so, since the only other reference on that paragraph was to a news site that ran a story on the storm but removed the story after the storm was over. If I had been more alert, I would have used webcite on more of the pages in this article. Soap Talk/Contributions 03:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that. At the time, that source gave me a 404 error so I considered it an out-of-date source with no actual information to offer at the present time. Having looked at the archived version of the age, it seems the link does work. Maybe it was a glitch with my browser. Sorry about that. Feel free to re-add it if you haven't already. upstateNYer 09:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you help with a photo?

I was wondering if you could help the Port of Albany-Rensselaer page with some photos? I noticed your photos on the Albany, New York page and checked out your gallery, they are very good indeed. Some possible photos that are needed would be- the Albany side of the port as seen from the Rensselaer side and vice-versa; the Cargill grain silo (tallest building in the port, cant miss it); the harbor crane (the largest one preferrably); the port as viewed from the Corning Tower (if that would even come out ok); a ship docked at the port being unloaded; and whatever else you think is good. Thanks and hope you had a good vacation!Camelbinky (talk) 05:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Surely. Once I'm back in the area I'll see what I can do. I'll let you know when they're uploaded and send you all the links. Thanks for the kind words - trying to work on my photography skills! upstateNYer 15:07, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

The picture you sent me at first glance I would guess is either of Steamboat Square (today the site of public housing) and the bridge in the background either the now long gone Hudson River Bridge (railroad bridge) or a past version of the dunn memorial. Ill have to take more time to study the buildings versus other old photos and maps. Very good find! It would look great in the article, probably in the history section. any copyright issues? i believe it said it was from the 1920's so the copyright would be expired right?Camelbinky (talk) 18:26, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

I would say its up to you and your schedule and how the weather looks, how the snow looks, etc. The photos that I've seen show you have a great talent for this, so I'll leave those decisions to your better judgement. Nothing says we cant replace the photos in the summer and nothing says we have to have photos now; so either way not its not a loss to the article.Camelbinky (talk) 20:37, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
From looking at this 1920 map of Albany and Rensselaer, I would have to say the old photo does have the old Dunn Memorial Bridge in the background (labelled on the map as Bridge Street). The street in the photo would be Broadway. This intersection is still there, though no longer right on the river. If you start on Broadway heading south from the intersection of State St., with the SUNY Admn. Building on your left, when you pass the end of that building and see the white building on your left right after it, then you reach an intersection where offramps/access roads from I-787 are dropped join Broadway (I think theres a Ramada or some other hotel on the right), the access road is Water Street I believe, and at this intersection will put you in the spot of this picture. At this intersection I believe you'll see on the underpass to I-787 murals saying "Hudson River". Ironic since in 1920 that spot WAS the Hudson.Camelbinky (talk) 08:54, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you soo much for your help on the photo! I am so terrible with the whole uploading and copyright info that needs to be filled out. I have a real hard time with that stuff. Im glad you caught the mistakes and fixed them so we dont lose the picture. Collaboration is a good thing!Camelbinky (talk) 22:22, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Wow! I feel so bad now that I even asked you to take those photos, if I had known you were going out on such a cold day I would have waited to ask you in the Summer! You're not a jackass, just a very frozen human being! The photos are great (though I do get cold just looking at them) and I've identified the Cargill grain silo but havent been able to identify much else (a crane is a crane as far as I can tell from first glance), I think they'll do great in the article. I'll update the info on the photos once I get more confirmation on what they are as per your instructions on my talk page. I've sent a message to the person who did the article's GA evaluation and asked to be resubmitted and hope to hear a positive response. I'll be crossing my fingers.Camelbinky (talk) 22:47, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

I dont think any more pictures are needed for now, but if you find yourself where you want you to take a picture and think it would be useful it would of course be appreciated. I think I'll do a little minor editing and cleaning up on the page the next day or two then take a break from and it and start focusing on Albany, New York. It's a mess and very few work on it other than you and me. I love the new photos you put in on that page too. I had found some photos I had taken last summer and was just about to put them in when you put in your (much better) photos ahead of me by one day! I figure it would be good to let the port page sit and let others come across it and work on it, I'm thinking just as with children pages you work on need to be let go and make their own way in the world to become better. It's now time to go and adopt another child!Camelbinky (talk) 22:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Averill Park Central School District

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--Dravecky (talk) 13:24, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Image renaming

I tagged it for speedy deletion - as it is now, that's faster than a rename since the bot doesn't seem to work. Hopefully an admin will come along and delete it soon. Dendodge TalkContribs 16:32, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

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Capital District Wikiproject?

What would you think of a Wikiproject: Capital District? or Capital Region. I believe the article in wikipedia uses Capital District as the title. Albany and the C.D. seems to get overlooked alot in Hudson Valley wikiproject and its material seems to be mostly interested in Poughkeepsie and downstate (relative to Albany) and by definition doesnt care about Schenectady and Schoharie counties, and seems to not even care about Hudson River communities north of Albany, such as Glens Falls (apparently in the North Country and not Hudson Valley). Syracuse apparently had a wikproject that is now defunct, but I think a C.D. wikiproject could get alot more interest and could serve as a good tie-in of all the C.D. related articles.Camelbinky (talk) 07:04, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a great idea. I've never built a wikiproject before. Shall we (essentially) steal from another and build it in a sandbox first before we present it to the waiting public? :-) Also, I would advise WikiProject Capital District due to the name of the article. upstateNYer 13:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
You got me going. I started a project page, but obviously it will need work. Working in sandbox is annoying because many links don't actually work. So this is a work in progress for now: WikiProject Capital District. upstateNYer 14:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I responded on my page about how good I think it is, and will start on the discussion page of the wikiproject a section to talk about how to rank by importance. I know in many wikiprojects (like the roads wikiprojects, ports, etc) they get specific about what type of articles should be top, high, etc etc. Right now as I add the banner to pages I'm just copying what the class of the other banners happen to be and leaving the importance blank (except the Capital District page itself I think we can all agree it is of top importance) until some sort of consensus on ranking.Camelbinky (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Since discussions eventually get archived, I would advise making a sub-page off the main project page similar to this. With respect to the chart, I asked another user how that's done. It's done by a bot, but I need to include the code to make it work. I'm waiting for him to get back to me and I'll update it once I can. You can continue to add the template though, because that will be updated to make it work and it will just update on respective pages. You might want to do a little reading here, though there's not much on the technicals. I'm going over to WP Hudson Valley to ask for possible participants. Hopefully I can get some - fingers crossed! upstateNYer 03:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I added myself to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Capital_District#Participants. Bearian (talk) 20:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC) I've also added the {{WPCapitalDistrict|importance=|class=}} tag to a lot of article talk pages. Bearian (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
I started the Category:Unassessed Capital District articles to help unify any articles with the wikiproject template but no assessment. Unless someone gets to it before me I'll start all the rest of the related categories as well (currently they show up as redlinks at the bottom of all the talk pages). I think you'll be happy to see how many are already in the project! At that's just the ones that no one put an assessment on. I dont know how many you have done, but I cant imagine I did more than a dozen of them, so other people have been working hard on this too, its not just you and me, that's good. But...if this name change idea goes anywhere...I'm with you on the whole "not it" on changing all the related links, categories, etc. You know how much of a pain that will be?!Camelbinky (talk) 02:53, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I had to do some stuff with the ports wikiproject and that got me noticing some things you might want to look at copying for the CD project. In particular- Wikipedia:WikiProject Ports/Assessment is something we might want to consider, perhaps when we have more people or perhaps now if your not too busy with other aspects of the page. If you think it is a good idea but dont have time I can go ahead and do it myself, just wanted to make sure I had your blessing first, I dont want it to conflict or screw up any plans you are working on right now, you're the lead on this project, its yours. I dont always agree with the whole no one "owns" policy, its good for everyone contribute and work on different aspects as long as there is someone guiding the overall endeavor, the big picture (tag- your it). Having a dedicated two or three people who are assessing articles within our project scope would give us alot of legitimacy, especially if we can find an article wanting to go through a peer review or a GA, A, or FA nomination and one of us review it. Our membership numbers are small, but to be honest I dont think ports has more than 10 members and right now the assessment team has, at least officially signed up, only two members (one of which is me). Remember Fort Orange!Camelbinky (talk) 03:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

 Done - Assessments page is up and running (it is a blatant copy+paste from Ports, but I assume I had your permission :-D). I switched some things up, but not much. There were links to a "peer review" department on the page, which I left, thinking we may do that, but as of now, I'm okay with the redlinks. For more info, see the project's talk page. upstateNYer 06:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

You may want to check out this website, I've used it for citations alot, alot of good information on the CD as a whole. Covers just about every topic on the CD you can think of. Also- is the home page of the Capital District Transportation Committee Metropolitan Planning Organization, an MPO is federally mandated for any region that wishes to recieve (sp?) federal money for regional transportation (CDTA). Though the CDTA and CDTC are not related. All counties under the CDTCMPO pay dues based on population, if they opt out they lose representation and all money that could be directed to that county could be appropriated by those remaining. But, as usual, I'm digressing. I've found both websites very useful on facts for various CD-related articles and wonder if you would want to incorporate them as useful resources on the wikiproject. Sort of like heading of- Good sources to use for CD related articles that are getting started or expanding are: (and then we start a list of those websites and books). Just some tidbits I thought I'd pass on. Hope they are useful.Camelbinky (talk) 05:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea; do it up! upstateNYer 05:48, 26 January 2009 (UTC)


Many thanks for your kind barnstar, it is always nice to have your work appreciated and it is great to receive it from a fellow civil engineer (although I have still got one and a half years left until graduation!). Cheers - Dumelow (talk) 12:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 00:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I didnt know this until it was put on an article I work on, but there is apparently a geo-stub template for Albany County. If Albany County can have a geo-stub why cant the Capital District? And in the discussion for stub template deletion on CD why is Texas being brought up? Apparently Pegship is doing something with Texas and she is also the one that put the Albany County stub template on Castle Island (New York). Is this a template she (or I guess it could be a he) just made and if so where is the discussion on THAT template? Why is a county one ok but a regional one not? Camelbinky (talk) 05:32, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

The Wikipedian I have been neeidng

Hey there. I noticed your comment on my DYK nom, Warren County Route 35, about that you work for the DOT (or have). I write the majority of road articles for NY and would like your insight. :) - Mitch32(Go Syracuse) 18:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

How can I help? I see you've been quite busy - I was wondering where all those NYS Route featured articles have come from. A quick history of me: I worked as an inspector for DOT the past two summers. I worked close out on the Northway Exit 12 roundabouts along NY 67, then a signal job on NY 50/US 9 at Exit 15 to downtown Saratoga Springs, then a resurfacing job on NY 22 in Comstock. Let me know what you can use me for and I'll see what I can do. upstateNYer 01:00, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Strangely, I have seen all three of those places. :) - Well, you helping me out - a lot of the Capital District area roads are stubs still, and I could use your help expanding them. (See New York State Route 396 for example). We could use the help.Mitch32(Go Syracuse) 01:08, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


Your Valued picture candidate has been promoted
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Nice! upstateNYer 00:47, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Problem with Capital District name

I noticed on the talk page of the wikiproject that someone has a problem with the Capital District name. They have now brought that problem to the article page as well. I have a bad feeling we might not win this one. I have put at the top of the Capital District page something to the effect of {{This page is about the Capital District in New York. For other uses of capital district see capital districts and territories or capital region.}} based on what is at Port of Albany directing people to the Port of Albany-Rensselaer page. I hope that is enough for now, though more research into the guidelines on naming articles might be needed, I had looked over them when first making the port A-R page and I think we have a good case for keeping the name at CD, but I'll need to look over the wikipedia guidelines again.Camelbinky (talk) 03:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Also please read wp:Own, which appears to be a bit of a problem here perhaps. :) I, Doncram, responded to Camelbinky's comment regarding me/we at Talk:Capital District, too. doncram (talk) 03:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes yes, I've read it; in fact you can find an ironic link to it on my user page. I don't own anything on Wikipedia, I know. But it can be "my" pet project! upstateNYer 03:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

UpstateNYer I apologize if I seemed like I "owned" anything. I hope you dont take my defence of the name or anything else as a put down on you or your contributions. As far as Doncrams comment of "me/we", I dont understand it. I use the term "me" when referring to things I personally did myself, and "we" to collaborative things, I dont get the problem or where me/we came from because I dont think I used either word. I think its in the best interest of OUR cause for me to just shut up and let YOU handle this, before I tick you off too! Good luck, I'll just concentrate on editing and finding sources for the Albany, NY page! Anything in the future that gets controversial I'll just forward to you, you have a much clearer calmer demeanor. I put in my support vote where you wanted and now will back off after I send Doncram an apology on his page.Camelbinky (talk) 04:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. This whole process causes me to chuckle. I understand his points, but we have proposed viable responses. No one has yet offended me and I'm not too concerned with happens. If the name changes, it changes. We still get to keep "our" project. Plus, the three new members of the group are all admins - they know the rules too, but they still joined. upstateNYer 04:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
If it makes you feel better, I lost my cool too. But man did that piss me off. I don't care enough to defend it - it's not that important, but damn he was making a mockery of my attempts to improve this place in general. upstateNYer 15:22, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
My philosophy on all this right now is- keep the name Capital District on everything and leave it that way and on any future things made. If we stick to our guns everything will be too complicated to change and if someone feels they must take it to some kind of vote so be it, but until it comes to that keep working on the wikiproject, its going along good, dont give up hope, ignore the detractors, I'll try to be good and not lose my cool until you need a bulldog to bite people, then I'll speak up, your the good cop, I'm better at being the bad cop. I spoke up at the stub types for deletion, they are lucky it was you and not me that came across that first, you were down right gentlemanly compared to what I wouldve ranted off, but since it was you and not me I was able to put in more even-minded comments and defend you in a more neutral way that, hopefully, wont make them think that I automatically just take the pro-CD side of conflicts.Camelbinky (talk) 21:50, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Second sentence: sneaky. I like it. Although we really have already reached that point - a lot of edits will need to be made to "start over". On a side note, do you have proof that WikiProjects don't need to be proposed first? upstateNYer 21:57, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
That is how I am choosing to interpret wikipedia:wikiproject and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide. No where does it state that you must go through the process of nomination, in fact it pretty much gives you the steps of starting one from scratch, I think the nomination process is more for controversial ones or ones that a person might not be sure there are enough people who support it. I think certain users or admins may just be caught up in the whole "process" and "nomination" philosophy and think everything must go through a nomination and a vote and everyone needs to get in their opposing opinion, but really nothing says you have to. Admins get arrogant if things dont go through them. Capital District it is, in this fight "no mercy, no quarter!". Remember the Alamo! Oh, um, in this case- Remember Fort Orange!Camelbinky (talk) 22:15, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Perfect tagline. And you're right. WP:Wikiproject says propose it if you're unsure if there are others interested or if you don't know how to do it. Really no need actually. But we should respect the process we already started (but take any negative response with a grain of salt).upstateNYer 23:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Remember the Alamo! Oh, um, in this case - Remember Fort Orange!Camelbinky

Ok, I'm fed up with seeing Doncram's arguments about the name at everything that comes up, the wikiproject page, then the article page, then the wikiproject council/proposal page, and then the stubdeletion page. We are winning the vote tallies that are taking going on at the proposal page and the stubdeletion page and want this all to end. I guess he's going to send the article to wp:RM (did I put the right initials? whatever the request to move page is). I'm confident we'll win there as well. If you want I personally think changing the stubname to drop New York from the front bolsters our case, he can, and has used that against us. I dont know where you stand but for me its Capital District or nothing, no compromise, we tried that already. Our time, especially yours, has been wasted enough on this, the wikiproject has been voted on and if you want I suggest getting one of the admins in the project to close it out as the wikiproject is up and running and looks legitimate, there's no need for it to be at the proposal and same for the stub, changing the name to Capitaldistrictstub and getting it closed out by an admin. Anything we can do to bolster our claim the better and closing those out helps.Camelbinky (talk) 16:20, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

What if you started a stub and went through the proper nomination procedure, naming it CD, but following the naming conventions they required (I guess you have to put a dash between the words, etc). Then I can just delete the stub I made and replace it with yours. Unfortunately, I don't feel comfortable changing the names of the categories on Commons (for the Images) and here; I think keeping the New York is important to keep unrelated materials from infiltrating (for lack of a better word) into our categories. upstateNYer 18:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tech Valley High School

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Tech Valley High School at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Shubinator (talk) 05:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

See nomination for my response. upstateNYer 07:25, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Re: Request to review minor error

I've looked into it, but I can't see to figure out what's wrong with it... very odd. In any case, I supported the project proposal at WP:COUNCIL/P. Sorry I couldn't do more to help. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 23:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

I appreciate the help anyway - thanks. upstateNYer 00:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tech Valley High School

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Dravecky (talk) 11:40, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

assessing articles

I notice u visited several articles on my Watchlist to reassess them. I reverted one, for Erie Canal, for reasons i noted at its Talk page, but note otherwise that your assessing articles may indeed be helpful. However, please don't give importance ratings on behalf of WP:NRHP without coming to an understanding of what are the criteria for importance ratings for that project. (That was trick advice: the NRHP wikiproject has not chosen to set up and use importance just don't add them). Thanks! doncram (talk) 08:16, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. upstateNYer 15:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
It looks good otherwise. :-) Bearian (talk) 19:27, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Help needed: Sitakunda Upazila

The article failed an FAC mostly because of irregularities in citation format. I found you at the ciitation cleanup project, and I am really hoping that you can help the article. Would you consider helping it, please? Aditya(talkcontribs) 12:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

I'll talk a look-see, but no guarantees. upstateNYer 15:44, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Aditya(talkcontribs) 01:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

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I appreciate that. It gets annoying writing in that reason over and over and over and over... upstateNYer 12:40, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Or even {{subst:ncd}} if it has exactly the same name. feydey (talk) 21:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)


I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. PeterSymonds (talk) 15:33, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What fast service! Thanks! upstateNYer 15:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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Could you !vote on my new nom? Ceran//forge 21:30, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

  •  Done Though you probably didn't get the response you were hoping for... sorry! upstateNYer 05:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

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I've been gone...

I just came back to wikipedia after taking some time to cool off over this whole broohaha over the CD name and stub and wikiproject. I'm back to just working on getting Albany, New York history redone. Havent checked on it yet, but will be working on it as soon as possible. Just wanted to check in on how things are, I love the new format for the wikiproject WOW! Let me know if there's anything I can do, I hope to just stay out of controversies and hope I can do some much needed good old wiki editing and researching.Camelbinky (talk) 21:52, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I figured that's where you've been. Great to have you back. We still have our project and we have more members and more tagged articles. I think it looks great (better than many other larger projects, for example) and we're doing good work. Keep in touch and let's come up with a "very much in need of work" list for the project. upstateNYer 00:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)


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My talk page

I respect the suggestions you made regarding my attempted changes to the Fighting Scots page. I hope that the latest revision of the page is an improvement (though, as with anything else here, it is incomplete). I have a question regarding my talk page. Now that (I assume) the issue has been resolved to your satisfaction, would it be appropriate for me to remove the text there? -- (talk) 03:17, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


Why did you consider this to be vandalism? THEN WHO WAS PHONE? (talk) 05:04, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Mainly because 1) it had been there since May 2008 and I AGF that it was true and 2) the update was unsourced. I have changed it back to 98min and (very quickly) sourced it. Sorry for any inconvenience! upstateNYer 05:13, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Cool, it's always a pain when numbers get changed by small, "reasonable" amounts ... I much prefer changes of several orders of magnitude lol. I also saw that you've handed out personalized comments for borderline disruptive edits – something I need to practice more often. Thanks, THEN WHO WAS PHONE? (talk) 05:35, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I've left an apology and explanation on the user's talk page. upstateNYer 06:15, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/UpstateNYer

I have added questions. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 14:07, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I have added a critique to your answers. Dlohcierekim 21:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the consideration and thorough response. Glad you appreciated my answer to #11. upstateNYer 22:22, 10 February 2009 (UTC)


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I love your work —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djscrew92 (talkcontribs) 00:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)


That looks great, thanks! Quite visually appealing.

Best of luck with your RfA, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 04:36, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

HVNY redesign

It looks great in IE and Safari, but in Firefox (what I'm using right now) it looks like a stack of boxes that's tottering. (Yep, you have to consider those multiple browser issues). Daniel Case (talk) 04:44, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I have no idea why. I admit I didn't test it in IE or Firefox, but I just checked it in Firefox and it looked fine. Purge the cache maybe? upstateNYer 04:54, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
That's odd. I'm using Firefox, and the page seems balanced. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 05:01, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
If you mean that they don't line up fully at the bottom, that is true, though unless your browser is really narrow (by choice), they should come pretty close (ie. within 5-25px). upstateNYer 05:10, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for this! :) Kennedy (talk) 11:04, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Couldn't help myself! upstateNYer 15:43, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Your RFA

Best wishes for your RFA -- Tinu Cherian - 12:51, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks! upstateNYer 16:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Good luck on your RFA. I feel you have great potential but a little work to get a successful RFA. If you aren't successful, I am willing to offer you advice and nominate you later (assuming some improvement which I know will happen!).

The part about consulting ArbCom shows good intentions and much more care and compassion than some administrators use before blocking. However, ArbCom is busy and will not get involved except in selected cases. Better yet is to develop the best judgement and tact and work with other administrators with the same qualities. Then adjust the block duration. Chergles (talk) 20:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you; I really appreciate your comments. It's now well-known that I have little experience in some of these areas, but I am determined to learn. And should mistakes be made, they will be righted; but for the most part, I will be going to some admins for help on a regular basis at first, should I get the mop. upstateNYer 20:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

PPR Deletions

Hey UpstateNYer, can you stop randomly deleting nominations off the PPR page? They go into the archives when finished, but I usually just do them in a batch rather than individually. I assume you're not doing this anywhere else. Thanks, --jjron (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Once I migrated over to FPC, I figured they were redundant. Sorry for the trouble. upstateNYer 15:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Blow in the wind

Heh, well, I am trying to find more notable county highways. I know your area is loaded with them :). Mitch32(Go Syracuse) 18:10, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Hundreds in Rensselaer County alone. That's true, maybe I'll start working on this. Do you have a formatting preference or would it be fine if I just took one of the other articles as a template? upstateNYer 18:15, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, no problem :) - I know Rennselaer County 144 is notable, its former NY 317.Mitch32(Go Syracuse) 21:13, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Capitol Visitor Center

No problem :-) A couple of the images have larger versions on commons, and I just uploaded some more, so you may find more images to use as illustrations (the CVC site has a bunch more too). Someone had uploaded the photo you took to Commons, but not the full-resolution version, so I did that -- I wouldn't be surprised to see the en-wiki version deleted at some point now (the Commons file has the same name). I changed one image to link to the larger version (the others have the same names), and added a link to the Commons category of further images. Carl Lindberg (talk) 20:11, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

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  • Oh yea, it's my birthday, etc... upstateNYer 03:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

History of Albany, New York

Thanks for looking over the article. All of your changes look good, the article unfortunately came with alot of baggage when it was brought over from the Albany, New York page. Any changes you did to this page you may want to do again to the history section of the city's page as well, though I wouldnt bother anytime soon since its such a mess, I would just wait until the history article was mostly done and then we can decide what is important enough to move to the main page, like the New York City page has its history sections as just synopsises (synopsi?) of full articles. I think you're right about the attack in Lincoln Park being properly called an ambush rather than a battle. I'm currently getting all my sources from google books and of course that means the books are like 150 years old so the going is slow right now. I'm in the process of contacting some of the editors who work on the New Netherland related articles and see if they can come on over and fill up the early Dutch history and get me sources on things like the background on the transfer of power between the English and Dutch. Djflem would be a great help on Dutch history, but I'm not sure if he still edits anymore. I figure there must be people interested in colonial history and the Revolution who I can find that have information on those time periods as well, I'm just going to go around to various articles during different time periods (Saratoga Battlefield and such) and find people and ask for help.Camelbinky (talk) 02:36, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering your opinion would be of me starting an article for the Dongan Charter. I think it would pass a AfD, though notability might be questioned by some. From what I have been able to find the new Albany charter that was passed recently (within the last 10 years) was worded specially to make it technically an ammendment to the Dongan Charter so that the Dongan Charter would remain the oldest city charter still in effect in the US, even though after the passage of the new charter basically nothing from the old charter remained in effect. I dont know if that technicality gives it enough notability and I havent found any articles on other cities charters, current or past.Camelbinky (talk) 03:13, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Definitely meets notability if you're correct about:
  1. It being the oldest city charter still in effect; and
  2. That the current charter was passed in such a way to leave the old charter in effect.
I say go for it. I would suggest building it in a sandbox off your userpage (User:Camelbinky/Dongan_Charter) first. Once you think it's pretty good (you have less chance of a deletion for a longer, more referenced, and fulfilling article) I'll read it over so you get a second opinion and you can decide when to go live. Might want to make it a group review in WPCD too. On a side note, see if you can incorporate a link to History of Albany, New York into some more articles. Right now, it is only linked from Albany; I have a feeling you could get it into something else. upstateNYer 03:22, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I will definitely see if I can get verifiable sources for the two points you give, if they do pan out as true then I'll build it in the sandbox per your suggestion. I'll start trying to find articles to link to History of Albany, New York as well, though I cant off the top of my head think of what articles it could easily be put into other than putting it in a "See also" section on various articles which is where I'll start for now. On another note your answer was definitely the answer an adminstrator would give! I voted "strong support" at your nomination. From the votes and comments I would think you'll pass, *crossing fingers*. Though I must admit I have little respect (well, no respect actually) for admins (except Julian) so just dont change and always be the person I currently respect. I suppose as long as you promise not to drink their kool-aid I'll keep my respect for you, I know you wont become a wikivampire (thats what I call admins that BITE newbies and others). Dont let them change you! Remember Fort Orange!Camelbinky (talk) 07:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikivampire; I like that. Consider it coined here on my talk page! Thanks so much for your support at my RfA. Per this guideline, it seems I need a few more supports to break the magic 75% min (I'm currently at 70%). But then again with strong (but legitimate) arguments on the oppose side, the deciding bureaucrat could choose not to approve me even if I reach or exceed the 75%. I'm hopeful some of the neutrals reconsider and re-read the entire RfA so they can really know me better than when they originally voted (plus, I'm not the biggest fan of a neutral vote in RfAs). I think I've been extremely truthful and open; more so than many other RfA candidates. Plus I believe in WP:NBD (and along with that WP:WTHN). If I do get the mop though, it won't change me; I'll just be more efficient and spread myself across a little more of WP. I think Julian and Daniel Case are two great role models for any sysop and I'm sure I'll be talking to them regularly should it happen (and they are probably currently battening down their hatches in response to this post!). I'm glad I got a chance to work with them before I put myself up at RfA. Thanks again Camelbinky and keep me up to date with what you be doing on the wiki! upstateNYer 07:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh and for linking to History of Albany, you may want to consider historic buildings, landmarks, and neighborhoods and just throw them in the "See also" section. But don't do that unless there's an explicit reference in History of Albany. The plaza and capitol could each currently get one. In the future, you may want to consider some verbiage about city hall, Washington Park, the Alfred E. Smith Building, River Rats, Albany Firebirds (both the current firebirds and the Indiana Firebirds), SUNY Albany, the Times Union Center, and of course you pride and joy, Port of Albany-Rensselaer. A lot of these things only need one or two sentences mentioned and these could literally be stolen from their respective pages, especially if there's already a source for the statement (therefore no need to search for more sources). upstateNYer 08:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
I've decided to hold off on a Dongan Charter article and concentrate on History of Albany until I get it to a B rating. Doesnt even deserve a C right now. I've got a pretty good amount of detail up until 1720 and hope by the end of my work shift tonight to be up to about 1820 (dont tell my boss). I did however look at the new charters wording and it has section 103 of article 1 (i think, i cant remember the exact numbers right now) has legalese that I'm having some trouble figuring out whether it means that the Dongan Charter is still in effect as long as anything specific hasnt been ammended by the new charter. But I did come across that the US Congress authorized and the US Treasury minted circulating legal-tender half-dollars to commemorate the Dongan Charter's 250th anniversary back in the 1920s. Should the Dongan Charter no longer be valid would the minting of these coins be enough notability for an article, and what if I can also show a source that at the D.Charter was the longest running city charter ever in US history, even if it is today not operating it may still hold the title of longest but not current. And on a third topic- how'd the vote go? Do I now call you "Sir"?Camelbinky (talk) 06:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll do some research on the Charter. But if your statements before are correct, it's already notable enough. You may want to call the historical society down in Albany (I assume they must have one). You can reference a conversation or an email. They could probably show you towards good sources. I'd advise not saying "I'm doing research for Wikipedia..." as this could scare someone lol. Probably better to say you're doing personal research. I look forward to seeing History of Albany at B-class status! And it looks to be that my RfA didn't pass, so I'm going to be coached by Julian. upstateNYer 06:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about your RfA, you'll get it next time if you really want it (though I dont know why, just sounds like once you do get it you'll just get more stress and all those responsibilities would take you away from good old-fashioned research and editing). Well, I would love to call the historical society in Albany, but...I'm actually in Columbia, Missouri working on my master's degree in history. That tends to be why just about every reference I use is straight from the internet (or Google Books referenced as a book or the webversion of the Times Union), hard to get actual books about Albany out here. I'm sure I can find an e-mail address for the County Hall of Records, they have the original Dongan Charter at their location on Tivoli Street. Havent gotten as far as I had hoped to get on the H. of Albany, I believe I'm up to 1778. I have heard back from Djflem and he (she? can never tell on wikipedia) says no errors on a quick look but is willing to take a look at the Dutch history part in detail and expand if necessary as soon as time permits. Ok, this already getting long, but one more thing- you may want to mention (unless it has and I missed it) on the CD project page the various Featured Topics that are about places/things/whatever in the CD, I only know of one off-hand, the New York State Routes of Warren County (I pretty sure that's the title, you can find it on the talk page of New York State Route 32, which is a part of the topic). Perhaps also starting or proposing task forces within the CD project to put a bunch of articles into various topics and get them to featured topic status (each article in the topic does not need to reach FA status, so its not as hard as it sounds). I need to do more research on what is needed to reach Featured Topic status before I tackle putting one together, though I'm thinking something along the lines of "historical sites of Albany County", if anything along those lines we really should ask for doncram's help, despite the hard time he gives us about the CD name he is a good editor and is one of the most knowledgable about national historical places and sites (I forget the exact wording of that wikiproject), perhaps you'll want to put together a "School Districts of Rennselaer County" topic, I think that one would have the best chance right now.Camelbinky (talk) 02:55, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

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More about my comments in your RfA

Hi, I feel that I need to explain my Neutral a bit more. Once again, I most emphatically do not consider you a "bad-faith editor". So, a bit more detail on why I do not consider your involvement in the Talk:2008_Mumbai_attacks/Archive_3#Move_request thread a calling card for running for admin.

  1. Cerejota proposed renaming the article from November 2008 Mumbai attacks to 2008 Mumbai attacks before the year, or for that matter, even the month of November was out. Not a good suggestion due to WP:CRYSTAL.
  2. Most editors opposed, a few supported.
  3. One of the Oppose editors was Kensplanet who gave a hypothetical as justification. The hypothetical ("What if the Government declares the attacks as Black November attacks") was vaporous.
  4. Someone (brewcrewer or Cerejota) likened Kensplanet's justification to a "pigs would fly" scenario. Knowing how pigs are viewed in some parts of the world, perhaps it would have been a better idea to use an analogy like "if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bus", however, use of an analogy to demonstrate what is wrong with a proposal is not a violation of WP rules. It wasn't Kensplanet who was being criticized but his/her proposal.
  5. I can't see the picture but it wasn't necessarily wrong to insert a picture. Sometimes pics can liven up a discussion.
  6. Kensplanet did not comment again in the thread. There is no indication that he or she was offended.
  7. You then stepped up to defend Kensplanet. I am sure that your intentions were entirely honorable. However, (1) Kensplanet had not been attacked personally; (2) ladling alphabet soup ("… WP:CIVIL, WP:EQ, WP:NPA, and especially WP:DBAD") onto the screen as you did does not usually help matters; (3) writing "most of your comments on this page (oh, so many...) reek of superciliousness and sarcasm" did not necessarily help matters either: arguably it inflamed the situation some more, although that would be an exaggeration, more accurate would be to say that you raised the temperature in the room by a few degrees.
  8. Happily the situation calmed down soon afterward and all editors, being reasonable people, came to an agreement.

If your RfA passes, I offer you whatever support I can give, and if it falls short this time, I would encourage you to try again after some sustained involvement mediating in the most contentious areas of Wikipedia. And if you are heartily tired of me and my comments, please feel free to remove this post, it's your Talk page after all.--Goodmorningworld (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Yea you had me confused by your comments at the RfA. I wasn't quite sure what you were getting at. Based on your assessment here, I can see where you're coming from, but I have a real problem with people that fail to treat others with respect and this situation was a complete lack of respect. While I know it's a guideline to assume comments are on the work, not the user, I feel this is not completely accurate. Too often I see it misused as a way for the offending user to hide behind policy "making it okay". Either way, I appreciate constructive criticism and your comments at my RfA are taken to heart. Thanks for taking the time to !vote and comment on my RfA. upstateNYer 21:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Admin coaching?

Thanks for the note and kind words. :) I might not be the most active coach you'll find, and I don't have an organized coaching program set up, but sure, I'd be happy to help out. Is there anything in particular you would like to focus on?

I hope your RfA doesn't discourage you too much. Many fine editors for utterly ridiculous reasons, and I'm at a loss as to why the community can't trust you with the tools. Meh. Cheers, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 03:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I made the mistake of saying what I thought wanted to be heard in question #1. But obviously it's essential should I want to pass again. Would you mind giving me an overview of what goes on and how an admin is used at AIV and ANI and maybe even AfD (though I think AfD is a bit more self-explanatory)? I guess I have to get some more experience with CSD; though I think holding those three against me so sharply was a bit unfair. I have some reading to do obviously. On the plus side, most opposers had no other problems with me and claimed they'd support next time, after experience is gained. Anything else you think could be useful to me (during every day editing, even), feel free to let me know. Case studies are probably the best way to go. If something is routine in your daily edits, it may not be for me; that's the kind of stuff I need experience with. upstateNYer 03:46, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Sure thing. Go ahead and create User:UpstateNYer/Admin coaching when you're ready. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 05:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Fire away when ready. This is your show; not quite sure how you want to do it upstateNYer 05:44, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

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Incorrect, Mr. Bot. I db'ed it a while ago. upstateNYer 05:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 DoneJuliancolton Tropical Cyclone 05:33, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Stats for your RfA

Ees noah prhaablem. :) neuro(talk) 16:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Request for adminship

On this occasion, your request for adminship was not successful. I hope that you will continue your useful contributions to Wikipedia and may consider standing again in future. Remember, a significant majority of editors commenting did support you becoming an administrator, and some of those who opposed simply want to see you gain a little more experience. Warofdreams talk 11:51, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Already watchlisting Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/UpstateNYer 2 for next time out! BencherliteTalk 11:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
As I! :) neuro(talk) 12:01, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
On the contrary, I am (extremely) pleasantly surprised by the number of supports and good words I got in response to my self-nom. I went in knowing I was the underdog, so wasn't completely surprised to see the nom fail. But the experience was like editor review on crack; but with responses! It really was a good experience and it was a civil and respectful critique of my work here on WP. As you can see above, I started an admin coaching plan (even before my RfA was closed) and hope to run again in the future (maybe even with a nom who's not me!). Overall it was a very positive experience and I learned more in this past week than in any other week here on WP. Thank you all for the support. upstateNYer 16:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

My RfA

My RfA ultimately failed last night at 56/29/11. While it wasn't successful in giving me the tools, it was successful in giving me a good idea about my contributions and my standing here at WP. I appreciated every !vote I got, especially constructive comments; I prefer a weak support with a thought-out comment than a full support with only a signature. I am not disheartened because of the outcome here, but actually impressed by the number of supports that I did receive. I went in knowing I was an underdog and came out having learned more this past week than any other week on WP. I begin admin coaching presently and hope to run again in the future (maybe even with a nom other than myself!) and pledge to work hard at the areas that were determined to be lacking by the constructive criticism that I got. This experience was like editor review on crack; but with responses! All in all, it was positive and I thank everyone for the participation. Now enjoy my most recently featured picture to the left. Thanks again! upstateNYer 16:41, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  • If I may be so bold, I don't think you need admin coaching. I think you need to keep doing what you've been doing, and if you have questions, find someone you respect and ask. That someone does not have to be an admin in order to have something useful to offer you, either. There are plenty of users who do not want to be administrators but know plenty more than many admins do, and there are certainly administrators whose opinions and actions are...suspect.  Frank  |  talk  17:16, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
    • I was thinking the same as Frank here on the topic of admin coaching - while it won't hurt, I think most people just need to see a few more months of experience in what you're already doing. I'm glad you got a lot of useful comments out of the RfA anyway, it wasn't actually far from passing either - I'll be watching for your next one. ~ mazca t|c 18:29, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  • I don't exactly relish seeing all the "*Oppose - per WilyD"s that crop up these days. That said, CSD is one of the areas where we're worst about biting new users, so I don't exactly apologise for wanting new admins, especially those who've worked in newpage patrolling/whatnot, to be gentle/sensitive/on the ball. As I understood it, this was probably the biggest complaint against you. Just try to remember that there's hurry - apart from serious BLP problems, there's never any need to speedily delete anything. AFD has had a frontlog for a few months now, there's no harm in using it. Anyways, best of luck in moving forward - the usual meme is that adminship isn't all it's cracked up to be anyhow. WilyD 17:18, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  • You're more than welcome for my support in your RfA. However, I too agree with above comments saying that you shouldn't go through admin coaching. A few more months of continuing your past work, but with new knowledge gained from the RfA, and your next request should be successful. Best wishes. Acalamari 20:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
    • This is true, but there's no harm in getting some insight into what goes on in the life of a sysop. Lots of that stuff you don't get to know about until the tools are handed to you. upstateNYer 21:53, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Not wanting to copy+paste everything here, please see my response at my talk page. I hope you will run again soon as soon as you fixed those mistakes that caused this one to fail. Regards SoWhy 22:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
    • Sorry to see that, being an admin isn't rocket science and I'm sure you could deal with a few extra software functions quite easily. As a suggestion, you could put a few of these lists on your watchlist, choosing areas you know a bit about or are interested in, and get some useful experience of AfD that way. Tim Vickers (talk) 00:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Image Renaming

Done, there is a bit of a delay between when they are tagged and the bot takes care of it usually, and if a non trusted user edits them then the bot won't do it. As for FPC, the blue one has some quite badly blown highlights (blue channel mostly, only really salvageable if you have a raw floating about), the white balance needs adjustment and I'd probably sharpen the foreground and do a noise reduction on the background. Two also suffers from blown highlights quite badly, but it isn't as severe. There isn't much noise to worry about but I'd also give it a sharpen. Imo it really depends on if you can recover those highlights. Noodle snacks (talk) 04:13, 18 February 2009 (UTC)


:P --Dylan620 Hark unto me · Ping me @ 15:33, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Daumen hoch 45.JPG Oh no you dih' int! Youuuuu're outta here!! upstateNYer 17:10, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Majesty of the Seas

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#3, baby! upstateNYer 03:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

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Yea, yea, I know. It's only there so the graphics lab can work with it. I'll have it {{db}}'d when they're done. upstateNYer 09:21, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Thamarai Namam

Sir, I drew this image using Adobe illustrator and tried to save as a SVG file. The result: The flower petals which I created through mesh turn rasterised while the remaing BG and effects remains vector while opening the file through Internet explorer. So I prefer to go for a PNG. Can such problems be overcomed at Wikipedia:Graphic Lab/Image workshop?

I seek for your valuable comments, Thanks. - Vaikunda Raja (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, graphics lab can do some good on this image. There's some really talented users over there. See what they can do for you. upstateNYer 21:07, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I've requested over there. - Vaikunda Raja (talk) 04:56, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for all your hard work

Thanks for all your hard work on Proposed naming of Oprah Winfrey to Barack Obama's senate seat. SamanthaG (talk) 18:07, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, no problem. Works out as being a good lesson in citations for my adoptee. :-) upstateNYer 19:01, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Quick favor

 DoneJuliancolton Tropical Cyclone 03:53, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Speedy service as always, thanks! upstateNYer 03:55, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
No problem, glad to help. :)Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 04:10, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Two articles, same bridge

I'm hoping your admin/jedi training can help with this unusual problem I've come across while looking at other articles to link to History of Albany, New York. There is a Livingston Avenue Bridge and a Hudson River Bridge (Albany) article, but in my research for the history article I found that they are actually the same bridge. Each of them has at least one redirect to complicate any type of merge or whatever (which I dont even know how to do anyways). The names just simply arrise from railroads never really officially naming bridges I suppose, dont know, but have definitely determined they are the same bridge from opening dates being the same and statistics (two bridges owned by the same company being finished on the same date and having the first train go across on the same date and having the same length, pier height etc, seems way too coincidental, just how many bridges does one company need or can afford to build at one time?). There was a second railroad bridge farther south of the Livingston Avenue Bridge but it wasnt named the Hudson River Bridge, and it opened in 1877 and I can write a stub article on it, I have at least 2 sources. Unfortunately I dont have a source, so far, that specifically comes out and says "the Livingston Avenue Bridge, formerly the Hudson Avenue Bridge" or anything to that effect, so I dont know if that effects any attempt to merge. So basically, if you think its right to merge, can you talk me through any redtape or procedures or whatever on how to merge the two railroad articles and deal with the redirects I would really appreciate it, then I can go and create a stub for Maiden Lane Railroad Bridge and is this anything so big that I should be asking an admin to do instead of doing it myself?

Do you have online sources to prove they are the same? They certainly look similar based on their piers, but at the same time they look very individual. For example, the Albany Railroad Bridge claims it was a swing bridge, but the piers in the Harpers Weekly dwg and the piers in the photo of the current Livingston Ave bridge don't look the same (especially at the turning point). Tho I do admit, naming a railroad bridge after a road seems very odd to me. At the same time, the Hudson River Bridge makes no mention of ever having been closed and there definitely is only one railroad bridge across the Hudson River in the Albany area these days. On the other hand, the Livingston Ave Bridge claims the HRB has been demolished (see navbox at bottom). Also, the piers in the Harpers Weekly image show that the bridge is not straight but turns while over the water. This is not the case of the LAB, which crosses the Hudson straight on. Let me have a look at your sources and then we can proceed from there. Oh and also, when you make a new article, you should consider creating a DYK. You already missed your chance on History of Albany, New York, but if you create an article on Maiden Lane Railroad Bridge, and it's at least 1500 characters long, you can get a DYK on the Main Page. upstateNYer 11:43, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Once I get to my computer at work I can give you the links for the sources on the bridges being the same. I can however from home address some of your concerns you mention. There is definitely one railroad bridge that crosses at Albany, the Livingston Ave one. There was a map that I sent you when we were discussing the Steamboat Square photo, the link is in your archives, that map shows where the two railroad bridges were in 1920's (I think thats the correct decade), comparing it to a modern map will show the northern one to be the LAB, it could then be claimed that the southern one is the HRB but from its location it would make sense it would be named the Maiden Lane Bridge as it would be at the location of Maiden Lane extending if it was a road bridge instead of RR. The current LAB is the second bridge of that name at that location, IF I am correct the HRB was the first at that location and that is why there is inconsistancies in the photo of the current bridge versus the drawing of the HRB. I believe the LAB article mentions that the original was built in 1866 (same year claimed for the HRB) and was replaced in 1906 (or a year around that, I'm doing this from memory). I am a bit worried that since, so far, I have no source that comes out and says they are the same bridge that this gets awfully close to the line of "original research". There are a couple more sources I can check, especially one that is really good on railroad history in the CD, hopefully they mention this problem.

I have often wondered about how to do a DYK, I will have to start doing that, a DYK about the Port of Albany wouldve been great to see on the main page.Camelbinky (talk) 17:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. Maybe we can try for a delayed DYK. I created pages before I knew about DYK's availability. They should allow for this b/c not everyone is aware of DYK. upstateNYer 17:48, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Apparently on wikimapia they show the (site of) Maiden Lane RR Bridge with the description-

Also known as the "Hudson River Bridge"

Former location of the NYCRR bridge connecting East Shore and B&A trackage to Mohawk division passenger trackage. On the west end tracks curved North passing to the rear of Albany's Union Station's elevated passenger track loading platforms, then north and west to the West Albany yards and points West. East end trackage passed thru the shown location of the Rensselaer High School which was one of the New York Central's steam locomotive servicing facilities

and then they have the wikipedia article associated with the listing as the Hudson River Bridge article. The history of wikimapia listings isnt like wikipedia and it doesnt say who put in the original information, only roughly when (9 months ago), and there are no sources or citations, so I dont know if this helps at all. Albany Chronicles by Cuyler Reynolds (it and all other sources are on google books) page 609 has the opening dates and statistics of LAB on page 609 and for the MLB on 650, but no information on a "Hudson River Bridge" other than the name of the company that built both as being the Hudson River Bridge Company. The Engineering Index by the Association of Engineering Societies (US) page 90 describes work done on the MLB. The History of Albany, New York by Arthur James Weise page 491 says the same date for first train crossing the MLB as the Albany Chronicles does but does not use the name LAB or HRB for the first bridge to cross the Hudson at Albany, only uses the name "Upper Bridge" and puts the date of completion as the same as the LAB article on wikipedia (page 90). I believe that wikimapia is right about the location and name MLB but wrong about the HRB being that bridge and that due to the dates of completion that the HRB is really the LAB since everyone seems to confirm the date of the MLB as 1871 but the wikipedia article says the date of the HRB is 1866 (the same as the LAB). Comparing the data on the HRB wikipedia article to the stats given in the various sources about the original LAB seems to confirm them being the same. This apparently is from when the HRB was first built and has the picture that is on the HRB article from the Harpers Weekly, it calls the bridge the Albany Railroad Bridge and not the HRB, which makes sense if it was the only railroad bridge in Albany at the time, its stats are the same as the LAB in other sources, such as completion date and date of first train crossing.Camelbinky (talk) 22:14, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

spelling out numbers

Hi, just so you know, I changed your edit at 81st Academy Awards in which you changed my edit of "thirteen" to 13. Per MOS, bullet point #2 (and general grammar rules), you don't write something like "42 and ten" but "forty-two and ten" or "42 and 10". Mixing them is bad practice. Just FYI. Thanks. upstateNYer 23:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi. This is a funny coincidence ... because I was just about to send you a message about this very same issue. I was curious ... why do you think that the "13" should be "thirteen" ... and what makes you say that "if it were 27, it would be different"? Please let me know. Please reply at my Talk Page. Thanks. (Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 23:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC))

Pic used in a blog


I have used your wonderful picture of the Capitol in the blog Your credits are there, of course. Thanks for putting it as creative commons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:22, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Might you be able to tell me where it's used? I speak a little Spanish and was able to work my thru your site, but I haven't found it yet. upstateNYer 11:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Block

Looks like it's already  Done. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 01:26, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

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All fixed. upstateNYer 05:22, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Assignment 3

I finished the third assignment and would like your opinion, then the next assignment. :) I Grave Rob«talk» 11:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Busy week, sorry; I'll get back to you tomorrow. upstateNYer 15:36, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Gerrymander

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Your nomination for featured picture status, File:The Gerry-Mander Edit.png, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. MER-C 07:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Say what?

Hi, a couple of things you have wrong off the bat: UVA is not a private school, it is very much public. In fact, that's one reason why I think it's a better representative of American education... most Americans attend public universities, not private ones. Also, US News has ranked Harvard the #1 doctoral-level university in the U.S., not the world in the past... but of course, a World Heritage Site is a bit more significant than a newsmagazine ranking to my mind as well. For one thing, it's a distinction that won't change through the years like U.S. News rankings do. Omnibus (talk) 06:00, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake on calling it private. But if you remove the world "private" from my initial statement, I believe it still stands. Since most students go to public schools, why not reference the UC system or the SUNY system rather than a single university? These are much larger systems that are well-respected throughout the country and make a difference to more Americans than one specific institution. But these are hypotheticals and I suggest them because I think UVA is a bad selection, and WHS status can't be the only argument. Harvard is the oldest higher educational institution in the United States and still represents itself as (one of) the best (and arguably most respected) institutions in the nation and the world. It stands above Oxford and Cambridge (again, per USNWR, which is much more respected than you seem to think, both to students and the schools themselves). Harvard also has the largest endowment in the United States ($29B, $10B more than the next closest). I'll also point out that Harvard has graduated 6 US Presidents while UVA has dished out 1; not completely relevant, but I think it makes a statement. I'm changing this back to Harvard because I believe it is a better representation of this country. Should you disagree, I would suggest bringing it up on the talk page of the article. upstateNYer 06:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Obviously, there is disagreement here. I suggest you bring it up on the talk page, rather than me... as you are attempting to change the image and school here from what was previously agreed upon in prior discussions. In the meantime, I have edited this section of the article to remain as previously written. I just can't justify a private university representing education in the United States when 80% of college students attend public universities. Omnibus (talk) 07:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Having looked over all the archives, there is actually no discussion about the image used and since it wasn't a consensus decision, there is no reason to not see a little change, if not just for change's sake (the original UVA image [since updated] was added by a single user in 2005 - and the status quo is not a reasonable argument for keeping it). While I'm not doing it for change's sake, I'd respectfully request that you respect my upcoming edit by leaving it so users can see it with the change, then possibly bring it to the talk page if you're still unhappy (who does it hurt?). Just as you can't justify a private university representing the United States, I can't justify a quasi-no-name public university doing the same. The world knows Harvard; the world does not know UVA. Articles are meant to not have a bias towards the United States; UVA biases toward US residents (and realistically, east coasters), who are more likely to have heard of the place. And again, my argument still stands that the image is of poor quality and should be replaced anyway. Images used in this article should be of good/great quality, with thorough captions on their respective image page. See my original post on your talk page for examples of replacements I made with much higher quality images. Due to the level of this article, it cannot have poor quality photos. upstateNYer 08:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Photo Choice

Hi, you said "a photo with identifiable (unknowing) faces on such a high-traffic article is a no no." Can you point me to the Wikipedia policy you are relying on? Unless that is an actual policy, it'd be much better to have students in a photo with such a caption discussing students. Omnibus (talk) 19:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

There are a number of issues I need to go over with you:
  1. The use of the image is more of a common decency and respect issue. Would you like it if you found yourself on a very high-traffic article on Wikipedia without being asked? That said, Commons (where the image is hosted) does have a guideline on photographs of identifiable people, which makes this situation a bit of a judgement call. It states that "an anonymous person, in a public place, especially as part of a larger crowd [is] normally OK." But this is not a normal situation. This is broadcasting this image as a representation of American education, on a page that is currently receiving 55,000 hits per day. That's a lot of eyes that have the ability to recognize a person that may not want to be hosted on such a notable page (or any, for that matter). I understand that the Commons guideline is for hosting at Commons, but it is just as relevant (if not more so) for hosting an image in an article at Wikipedia. Give these people a break.
  2. I removed the term "state-funded" because (1) it's unnecessarily detailed for its image caption and (2) the term "state" to many non-Americans is equal to the highest level of government—though not necessarily federal; it depends where they come from (see State-sponsored terrorism). Again, it has to do with keeping the article neutral to all residents of the world, not just Americans.
  3. Issue with "80%" versus "Eighty percent": You always spell out numbers at the beginning of a sentence per general grammar practices but also per WP:MOS (bullet #4).
  4. On that note, you added the caption about 80% of students going to public schools. Maybe that belongs in the body of the article and a new caption might be made?
  5. I appreciate you adding the ref to the 80% figure, but you could have at least formatted the citation correctly. I've since corrected it, but I also think a better source could be found. Unfortunately, the author of that document did not list his sources. I feel as if anything short of something from the feds or DOE specifically is not really up to the standards of that article.
  6. I chose the Berkeley image I placed in the article because it showed the Sather Tower, in addition to other academic buildings and the surrounding landscape. There is a featured picture of the tower, but I felt it didn't represent a college campus well (could be mistaken for a church steeple). There's nothing saying a photo has to have students in the image. In fact, an image that showed the grand size of this campus is better IMO. A university is not such without its campus and displaying that gives a reader the idea of the scale that this university is at.
  7. Below I've listed the four images that have been bouncing around the article in that place. I'd like to once again bring up the quality and composition of these images. If you'll note, the lighting of the UVA image is not great; there are many shadows that look like they could be avoided if the image were retaken at a better time (if you look at a satellite view of UVA, you'll see that this face of the building faces south-south west, meaning it gets ample sunlight at around 1pm that would not cause these shadows). The Harvard image shows better composition, taken at the right time of day at a more interesting angle. While the Sather Gate image is indeed taken at an interesting angle with good lighting, there's a huge tree blocking 90% of the Tower, which is apparently the most notable structure on the campus. My replacement for your efforts is lit well, broad, and shows many examples of California architecture, while not placing much cover over the Tower.
I'm glad we could at least come to an agreement on the use of Berkeley as a representation of higher level education in the US. Now on to the fine details! upstateNYer 21:23, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Permissions statement

Regarding this edit,[1] it appears that you missed the explanation at the image permissions line. This poster is a derivative work of a photograph that has unknown copyright status in France. So although it satisfies Canadian and US copyright as pre-1948 and pre-1923, it cannot be transferred to Commons. It would be a shame if one of our featured articles got deleted as violating Commons hosting policy. I rarely upload images locally at en:wiki, and do so only when unable to satisfy Commons requirements. If you would like to look up the author 'Brown Bros.', though, and find out where they published and when they died, you are welcome to do so. DurovaCharge! 23:24, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Oops, sorry. I didn't read the copyright template closely enough. Nice catch! upstateNYer 23:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
Have a cookie! :)

Happens to the best of us. Cheers! DurovaCharge! 23:40, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Asssignment and signature.

I believe I have waited a sufficient length of time and would really appreciate being able to resume the assignments in the adoptive process. :) I Grave Rob«talk» 08:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, about your signature. I was trying to expand my signature using some formatting from yours, but as with my first attempt the signature box kept truncating it at 255 characters. Following this I was thinking about having my signature transcluded from a signature page, but went to WP:Sig first and after reading through the policy I saw that my idea was against policy and all signatures, including ones with wikimarkup, are meant to get truncated at 255 characters in the interests of the editors etc.

My question is this, how are you able to have a signature with approximately 375 characters in it? I Grave Rob«talk» 08:33, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Assignment:  Done (sorry, spring break just started, so naturally I was bombarded with exams the past few days).
  • As for the signature, I make them in my user space and link to them rather than writing them directly in the box. Currently, I have this written in the box so it calls the signature I've made: {{subst:User:UpstateNYer/erutangis/StPattys}}. WP:SIG is a guideline, not a policy. Its main intention is to keep the coding level low for sigs and to keep really obnoxious sigs from being used (there are some really bad ones out there). My sig hasn't been a problem thusfar and there are many out there with much longer coding than mine. upstateNYer 15:19, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Copyright status

Let me know if you spot any others. Dschwen mass reverted a bunch of my edits (probably rightfully so) at commons and made a bit of a mess of it a number of cases. Noodle snacks (talk) 22:12, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Will do. I found it odd that it was since Dec 2008; probably should have been deleted per the template... upstateNYer 22:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)


I am redesigning my web page and wish to use your image of the "Contemplation of Justice" statute on the left side of the entrance to the Supreme Court Building.

How do you want me to set up the attribution for you?


Cy Phillips (talk) 15:35, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

That will be $17million, plus state and local tax; just kidding. All I need to see is something like "Creative Commons/UpstateNYer at Wikipedia" (you can link to my user page, to be more clear, if you'd like: Something similar to this example would be fine (just don't forget to indicate Creative Commons). A link for me to see your page would be nice too. Thanks for the heads up (and actually informing me)! upstateNYer 16:26, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Chris Young

The image is a WP:FP. I would like to keep it on WP for that reason. I am not sure what edit button troubles you please explain further.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 19:48, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but almost all WP FPs are hosted on Commons (only something like 1.5% are not, which soon will not be the case since I'm transferring all eligible ones). The FP template is added on WP so you won't lose anything. Transferring to Commons does not affect FP status. So, do you mind if I move this to Commons? There's really no reason not to. As for your page, you have about 100 GA symbols (Symbol support vote.svg) and other symbols representing articles you've contributed to. There are six rows of these and they overhang the toolbar on the top of your page, so I cannot press any of the buttons in that bar. Therefore I can't press the "edit", "watch", "history", or any other button on that bar. To fix this, you'd have to remove about 80 of the objects. Why not just use one symbol for each kind of award, place a number above that, and have that link to a subpage that lists them all? upstateNYer 20:25, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
Show me an example of an FP you have transfered so I can see how all the info transports.
I will try to reconfigure my header. I was not aware of the problem you mention. I do not want to remove the extra rows. I may need help lowering everything on the page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:07, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure you can lower those things on the page. We're talking about the permanent toolbar on the top of every user's page, not content on your talk page; it affects every page you use that header on (including your userpage). As for the FPs, here's one example. Each one that I transfer I completely revamp the caption and other information so it is as clean and complete as possible. Here's what that example looks like at Commons. All it lacks is WP FP template, since that's only hosted here at WP. Everything else stays. upstateNYer 04:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
O.K. you can move it.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:00, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
I have tried my browser at 1024 width and the banner is below the tabs. How is your system configured. I.E., what browser and screen resolution do you use.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:02, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Looks O.K. except you only put it in one category (something I do all the time on commons however).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 20:43, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

←I am not sure whether to start a new thread or not, but I know you move lots of images to commmons. I need a new gallery created at commons for all the images in Fountain of Time. Would you consider doing this?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:34, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you be more specific in what you need? If I'm understanding you correctly, you could just create a new category at Commons and place all these images in that Category. Ah, but in looking closer, it looks like most/all of these images are hosted locally. I use the Move-to-Commons assisstant. It's pretty easy. Then you just place {{db-i8}} on the page of the locally hosted version (on wikipedia). This deletion template is for images that have an exact duplicate at Commons. If I find some time, I might do some. upstateNYer 21:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
By the end of the message above, it looks like you figured out what I was asking. It would be great if you could do it for the images in the gallery at the bottom of the Fountain of Time page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:23, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deletion request

 Done by PeterSymonds (talk · contribs). –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 20:29, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 03:31, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
☑YJuliancolton Tropical Cyclone 03:44, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
Heh, it's nice to have talk page stalkers. :) Done by PeterSymonds. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 14:04, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
☑YJuliancolton Tropical Cyclone 02:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, could you review Wikipedia:Valued picture candidates/New York State Route 292 if you get a chance? It's my first VPC, and I'm trying to become more active there. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 04:23, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

 Done I also cleaned up the image page a bit (wikifying, rearranging, removing redundant or unnecessary info [transfer programs put so much crap on these pages]) upstateNYer 05:27, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
Cool, thanks for the help. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 13:43, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Done with those other requests; sorry I didn't see your post earlier. –Juliancolton Talk · Review 01:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


I used your justice photo for my online article. It's not online yet, I'll give you the link if you want, it'll be in french though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

A link would be great. I'll get a friend to read it to me. Thanks for the heads up. upstateNYer 16:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC)


Sorry that I haven't done much in the adoption arrangement, at first everything was a bit confusing, but I think I've got the hang of it more now. I don't know, I guess I'm not really needing the adoption much anymore? Sorry for any trouble this has caused you. Well, I guess it would be good if you reviewed my edits and gave me some more pointers, like any errors that I've made, or what I need to work on? Thanks, FingersOnRoids 00:22, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. I'll take a look around your history in a little bit and let you know what I think. Feel free to delete the subpage if you don't want it any longer. upstateNYer 02:54, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

The Bikers of Oz

I've tagged The Bikers of Oz with {{prod}} and I honestly would have tagged it under CSD {{db-group}}, except it has been around for a while. Would you agree with me going through a few of the other pages in this series and do agree with the page I tagged? I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 12:02, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

April Fools

I was just wondering what Wikipedia's policy is on April Fools jokes? I'm sure a joke on mainspace wouldn't be appreciated but how would a fairly harmless joke on talk pages be received? (plan is already set up, just waiting for April Fools day (no references to lavender sticks are included)) I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 10:33, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Never been an active user during April, so your guess is as good as mine. Though I have heard reference to April Fools over at WP:FPC. Just be careful and common-sensical. Talk pages probably wouldn't be a big deal (though I guess it depends how well you know somebody.)! Just be smart, I guess. upstateNYer 20:45, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Your comments on commons:Template talk:Assessments

Hi UpstateNYer,

Thank you for your fresh en-centric remarks on that template talk page and the substantial work you have done to include EN:FP info on the Commons image pages. I have given you some replies for your consideration and I am looking forward to continue the constructive dialogue there. Cheers, --Slaunger (talk) 13:32, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deletion request

Alright, done. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Happy St. Patty's day! –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 21:57, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Phylogenetic tree

The caption has been amended so as to address your concerns in the FPC. DS (talk) 01:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Light/dark has also been addressed. DS (talk) 11:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Maps

I have noticed the distortion too. It seems that the lines of longitude are getting streched. I'm currently trying to figure out how to change the map projection on the GIS software that I use to make the outlines. --Schzmo (talk) 11:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


can you leave me a message on my talk page, to which I can respond on my talk page? Eliphaletnott (talk) 12:36, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Question about adding CD wikiproject banner to some articles

Doing the History of Albany, New York article I came across that American Express was founded in Albany, should the Amer. Exp. article have the CD banner on it then? As far as I know they dont advertise a big historic relationship with Albany or have any regional hq here or have any residual loyalty. At least GE supports local philanthropy, schools, and promotes its historic relationship. There are other people and places I've come across that were founded/born here and left to become famous and I'm not sure if they should be added. Leland Stanford, governor of California and founder of Stanford University was born in Colonie, booksoften say Watervliet, but it's not the modern city of Watervliet he was born in, at the time he was born the modern town of Colonie and cities of Cohoes and Watervliet were all a part of the town of Watervliet. Same thing happens with history books saying where the Shakers lived, they say Watervliet because it was called Watervliet at the time. After I get a chance to make those changes you requested on the Hist. of Alb. page I'll start a Watervliet (town), New York article to give the history of the original town of Watervliet, some of it is currently on the town of Colonie, New York page. Another side note- I noticed on your Brunswick School District article that the White Church School is unlisted on its location, I've been searching old maps I have on file for it, if you happen to have some sort of a timeline on when it actually around or at least the last year it was around I could narrow my search easier. I'm confident I can find the location of the school. Apparently it was a Horace Mann school and while I'm unsure if they have a centralized national organization they apparently do have current lists of Horace Mann schools online they do apparently get together and have regional and national events, there must be information out there somewhere on past schools and their locations. I guess they are like the Montessori schools.Camelbinky (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

It can't hurt to add a tag to something that may only be slightly related. If you have a ref, questions will be minimal. Nice idea on the town of Watervliet page. Eventually we'll probably get other historical locations on here too, but it's still early. And yes, Horace Mann sounds very familiar; what was it, a franchise? Assumedly, all of the schools closed when the district opened up the new buildings, which would have been 1958 (or within a few years of that). Whatever you can find, I would be appreciative of. Otherwise, how's life? Long time no see around the wiki! upstateNYer 03:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess I misunderstood the info I had found on Horace Mann schools, I had interpreted the info to mean that all Horace Mann schools had some sort of common philosophy or organizing principle, like Montesorri schools or something. But, it looks like its just a common name, especially for public school. Horace Mann was an politician/bureaucrat who I guess supported early public schools in Massachusetts and his interpretation and "rules" on how they should be run were copied in other states, so alot of public schools ended up being named after him. One of his basic tenants was strict control over schools by the state, so I'm guessing not alot of private schools are named for him, but its still possible. So based on that I'm going to go out on a limb and conduct my search based on the following assumptions- it was a public school, opened sometime after the 1830's (when Mann started to become famous) closed down around 1958, and was on White Church Road. Obviously the school may have had a different name before the 1830's and simply got renamed later, and it may have closed alot earlier than 1958, it might not have been a public school, and it might not have been on White Church Road. Mostly I've been spending time getting information for History of Albany, New York now that I've reached the end of the book I was using as the main source (it only went to 1906 or so). Also have been adding historical maps of Albany (city and county) to commons. Oh, yea and now going through a divorce so I've been a bit distracted when I try to do some research, but it'll be ok. Oh, and I think I remember that you have some interest in the State Capitol, I found this,brum,detr,swann,look,gottscho,pan,horyd,genthe,var,cai,cd,hh,yan,lomax,ils,prok,brhc,nclc,matpc,iucpub,tgmi,lamb,hec,krb thought you might find it interesting to see an early model of the state capitol, complete with a dome and everything.Camelbinky (talk) 06:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

The link is broken, but I believe I've seen it before, in doing image searches at the LOC. I always remember hearing that NYS Capitol is the only state capitol without a dome, but I don't remember reading that in the article. Will have to check that out soon. Sorry to hear about the divorce, but hopefully it's for the better. upstateNYer 14:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Yea, work on the capitol's article is on my "ill get to it one day" list. At least three different teams of architects had to be brought in because they kept getting fired and it took like 30 years of work before Teddy Roosevelt came in said its done. I'm thinking there must be a big back story to the construction and detail, at least to my untrained eye it looks like from the outside that each floor has a different type of style when you look at the arches and the details around the windows, dont know if thats intentional to the overall style or if it has to do with different architects continuing to come on in the middle of construction. At the very least I would say that there is one other state capitol with no dome (or at least not one I've seen in pictures, it could be a small one on top). It would be the Louisiana state capitol in Baton Rouge, their state capitol is basically a copy of the Al Smith building in Albany (or the other way around, I dont know if they influenced each other of if they are just both art deco skyskrapers, would have to research that).Camelbinky (talk) 22:14, 19 March 2009 (UTC) addendum- I've come across something unusual in my ongoing research for Albany history. The CD article currently states as to the origin of the term Capital District that- "The term was originated in the 1920s in an effort between the Albany Chamber of Commerce (now known as the Albany-Colonie Regional Chamber of Commerce) and the Albany Times Union." It is unsourced and I have found references to the Albany area as the "Capital District", the "Capitol District" and their derivitives of lower case c's and/or d's; dating back through the 1910's, sometimes the source refers to the name as if it should already be commonly known, not like its new or unusual or something they are coining. The farthest back I've found it is 1911 "Princeton alumni of the capital district" were holding their "annual meeting" in a hotel in Albany. I want to figure out some way to fit into the article how long the various terms such as Tri-City, Capital District (and its various spellings), and Capital Region have been around if I can get close to a starting decade for each term. Tech Valley has a definitive starting period.Camelbinky (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

POTD notification

Hi UpstateNYer,

Just to let you know that the Featured Picture File:Declaration independence.jpg is due to make an appearance as Picture of the Day on July 4, 2009. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2009-07-04. howcheng {chat} 22:52, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm a caption stickler, and that one looks good. Nice job. upstateNYer 23:29, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


Sorry I haven't been on for a while, my computer overheated and died which means I am frantically redoing the whole years assessment for school. Hopefully I will be able to get onto wikipedia April 1st to be able to release my joke upon the community. Mwahahaha. I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 21:11, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Bleh, I feel your pain. Best of luck. upstateNYer 23:03, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:VPC Closing

I actually had the instructions open in front of me the whole time- I knew I'd do something wrong. Thanks for spotting my mistake... Maybe I should ignore the best images, and stick with the worst. J Milburn (talk) 23:01, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Eckert & Obama VP

Done. Do I get any credit for the nomination or how does it work? --candlewicke 20:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

When it closes, I'll make sure you get the typical message on your talk page. upstateNYer 20:50, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. --candlewicke 21:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

using white house image

Hello, I would like to use your image of the White House for a short film I'm making. Thanks. Sbmike (talk) 21:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Feel free to do so, and thank you for letting me know. I'm going to assume you mean this image. In your credits you will be required to credit UpstateNYer at Wikimedia Commons under a CC-BY-SA-3.0 license. If you plan on uploading this online, I'd appreciate a link to view it. Always interested to see where my work goes. Feel free to respond here or at your talk page, which ever you prefer. upstateNYer 06:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Please read this as well. upstateNYer 20:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Image deletion templates

Nah; WP:CSD#G7 works fine for nearly all mainspaces. –Juliancolton Talk · Review 03:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Never would have thought to use anything but a file template. Thanks. upstateNYer 03:50, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Siena College

I want to take the debate there to mediation, but apparently all parties must sign it within 7 days. There's also the complication that filling out the required information seems to be over my head. I could use some help.Camelbinky (talk) 02:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I think Daniel Case's compromise is pretty reasonable. Did you check that out yet? upstateNYer 04:57, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


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Hello, MattWade. You have new messages at Cerejota's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Cerejota (talk) 13:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)


Hello UpstateNYer. I'm new to the whole VPC thing but it looks like a really good concept to me. Just one thing, perhaps somewhere in the instructions (which are a little clunky) we can encourage people who nominate images to review other images? That way we would hopefully increase traffic and hence reviews? Just an idea! Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. I've taken more of an administrative role there, so I feel more confident in making related changes. I'll let you know. Thanks for the input. upstateNYer 20:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
I added your suggestion. What things do you think should change WRT the instructions? What makes them clunky? This outside information is very useful. upstateNYer 20:15, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/File:Windmills D1-D4 (Thornton Bank).jpg

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:Windmills D1-D4 (Thornton Bank) edit1.jpg, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. MER-C 02:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: another deletion

Done. –Juliancolton | Talk 02:27, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Not at all, I love easy tasks. :) –Juliancolton | Talk 05:07, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
Ah, nice, thanks! Quite refreshing. –Juliancolton | Talk 14:50, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Input requested

Hi, your are listed in WikiProject Civil Engineering and I wondered if you might want to weigh in a couple of requested moves?
An editor moved the text from Suspension bridge to Suspended deck bridge and now thinks that the article should land at Suspended-deck suspension bridge. That move discussion is here Talk:Suspended_deck_bridge#Requested_move.
The other move request is here Talk:Suspension_bridge_types#Requested_move which shows what the editor proposes to put into the Suspension bridge article.
The discussion has major consequences on the content of the main article on suspension bridges. The root questions: Is a suspended-deck suspension bridge the proper name for a typical suspension bridge? And what content should be in the Suspension bridge article? - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 01:57, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll take a look and comment on the respective talk pages after I form an opinion. upstateNYer 07:34, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


Thank you very much. And thanks for the colourful addition to my talk page! :) And yes, I shall try to keep watch for potential future VPs. ;) --candlewicke 02:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Nice, we are always in need of more noms and especially more votes! upstateNYer 05:37, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

A break then back to basics

I'm going to be doing a short break due to stress over this whole stupid Siena thing, I should never have even brought it up when it was first reverted, at least then the Newtonville and Loudonville articles would never have gotten in his sight and they would still have the distinction of where the college is. Anyways, I've gotten a backlog of info on the Port of Albany that I'll be adding to the article when I get back and hopefully after I do that it should be pretty much fully comprehensive as to anything it should need for promoting it to A class and maybe even to FA. Hopefully if you get a chance you can look it over for grammar or style or anything else you can think of and it can be all ready for a smooth sailing proper review in a month at most.Camelbinky (talk) 05:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd be happy to. I'll do that (and finish History of Albany) hopefully sometime this week. Best, upstateNYer 05:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

<response archived> Thanks Camelbinky. upstateNYer 00:34, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Paying attention

For the phylogenetic tree image, I explained eleven days ago what the dark and light mean. "Dark and light are just used to distinguish one phylum from the next". If you're going to refuse to promote because "(x) wasn't explained", you should at least make sure that (x) in fact wasn't explained. DS (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, but but what about every other reason? And on that note, are all colors in the same shade the same phyla? Your answers were not all that specific (and wandered off into copyright for some reason?) and there were enough other reasons against it to not promote. Fix the issues and renominate. Nothing says you can't. Though, it may not be worth it; this is the kind of image that is only useful in poster size. Compare to our other SVG FPs. upstateNYer 00:28, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Also, you are welcome to ask a second opinion. MER-C typically does closings and I'm sure wouldn't mind commenting. But the nom was open for almost 14 days (alloted time × 2). upstateNYer 00:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)


UpstateNYer, you have given your support in favor of making the main suspension bridge article be named suspended-deck suspension bridge. There are a couple of questions I have posted that remain unanswered. As a civil engineer, maybe you and answer them and help explain your support. They are

Is there a reliable, secondary source that calls the Golden Gate Bridge or any other suspension bridge a suspended-deck suspension bridge?
Without any WP:SOURCES to support this name, how can we decide here in Wikipedia to use that name?

I have not been able to locate a single scholarly article that uses the name suspended-deck suspension bridge. If you could provide such a source and post it on the Talk:Suspended_deck_bridge#Requested_move page, it help support your position. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 01:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Yea, valid point. I was AGF that there was a source. The name sounds good because there are different types of suspension bridges and they really should be differentiated. I have no explicit bridge experience, but I didn't find any mention of the exact terms in any of my steel design books, but then again they only spent a page or two on suspension-type structures (which includes cable-supported roofs). I'll keep looking around, maybe AISC or AASHTO have something. upstateNYer 02:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, UpstateNYer. If any reliable sources can be found, I will eat crow, but I don't expect you to be successful. The user who started this continues to propogate the change through articles and WikiProject Bridges is not real active to be able to discuss and/or clean up. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 11:01, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

It is a situation akin to Blind men and an elephant. As far as road bridge engineers are concerned, the only type of suspension bridge of interest is the one described currently at suspended deck bridge; they write about suspension bridges and cable-stayed bridges but they are thinking only about one type of suspension bridge. But if you read about footbridges then you read about simple suspension bridges and suspended deck bridges, and the latter are suspended-deck suspension bridges. The confusion here has been going on for years; just look at the article edit history and the talk page. Linking to this (suspended deck) suspension bridge article from articles about suspension footbridges is beyond aggravating: it is downright misleading. --Una Smith (talk) 03:19, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

White House photo

I added a new photo to the whitehouse page, replacing the old one on commons. Do you know how I can edit the page so that I'm accredited as the photographer and the author?

Also - for some reason images on image pages now appear in full size when I view them, rather than more convienient viewing sizes. Do you know how I can fix this? HiraV (talk) 21:14, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Actually you can't and I've reverted your upload. Note on the Commons image page that there are many attributions to me. If you overwrite, it's no longer an image by me. Also, this image has been selected as a valued picture on Wikipedia. You changing that makes it not so. Please upload a new version on Commons by going here. I also would not support this image as a replacement for the current version in White House. All due respect, but your image has many crushed blacks, seems unrealistically bright, and has poor composition (I took the photo where I did so the fountain wasn't in the way). I think it outweighs the noise issue in mine. My personal opinion, and granted it is my bias, but that's how I feel. upstateNYer 01:41, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Also, another user has made an effort to reduce the noise in my image (not at my asking, but I do appreciate the effort). upstateNYer 21:44, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Proposed merge of Proposed naming of Oprah Winfrey to Barack Obama's senate seat

Hello, UpstateNYer. I have proposed that Proposed naming of Oprah Winfrey to Barack Obama's senate seat be merged into Rod Blagojevich controversies or Rod Blagojevich. Please see the talk page to discuss the issue. Thank you.

The above is not a templated message and was personally written by me. Smiley.svg Whip it! Now whip it good! 01:09, 3 April 2009 (UTC)


Now hippo has started putting in the Loudonville article that Loudonville is a town. According to his reasoning on the edit summary and on the talk page apparently we now need to have a source that specifically says Loudonville is NOT a town! I cant take this. I may end up leaving wikipedia. This is getting ridiculous! I've said it several times before, this is getting out of hand, hippo is now bringing this to other forums and changing other articles to simply cause conflict, this isnt helping wikipedia. I'm begging you to find some way to stop this all, or else all these articles on hamlets and towns and history of the CD are at risk of false info being thrown in. It makes me not even want to bother working on articles anymore because what is the use if hippo can come along and say Loudonville is a town!Camelbinky (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't let it get to you that bad. You are right. A hamlet is different from a town and Loudonville is most definitely a hamlet. Take a deep breath, have a fun Friday night, and come back tomorrow. :-) upstateNYer 18:11, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Camelbinky, enough of this crap. You have posted this fairly widely - as far as I'm aware I have not stated that 'Loudonville is a town' or similar in the text of the Loudonville article. Nor do I have any desire to include that, as I have made clear on the talk page. Your inability or unwillingness to read my own words is no excuse for spreading lies about me. ::Can you supply a diff showing that I have done what you claim? If not, you owe me an apology.
UpstateNYer, I sought comment at WP:NORN and WP:RSN, which proved useful. --hippo43 (talk) 20:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

UpstateNYer can you please check the history for yourself so its not just my word that he put a quote saying that Loudonville was a town. Doncram even mentioned it in his edit summary when he reverted it "Now hippo43 wants to say its a town?!" (not exact quote). Hippo saying that I lied and bringing this issue wanting an apology from me reminds me of something Karl Rove once said (not exact quote but damn close)- It doesnt matter if it's true, as long as we say it enough times. Ive been around politics long enough to know a smear campaign and propaganda when I see it.Camelbinky (talk)

Camelbinky, at your talk page I have posted links to all four edits I made on Loudonville, NY. Please point out which one you are talking about. I think you may have taken Doncram's edit summary as gospel. Before you say anything dumber, or make things worse, please read the diffs. --hippo43 (talk) 21:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Number 4- and this isnt the place to talk about this and dont call me dumb again. I have addressed you on your talk page about your insults. I would hope you put that "say anything dumber" comment before you read that I have a disorder in the autism spectrum because otherwise I would hope you get your butt blocked for that. Now I want an apology. Take this discussion off UpstateNYer's talk page anyway.Camelbinky (talk) 21:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I didn't call you dumb. You said something dumb. That is nothing to do with your Asperger's. No apology from me for that. I did not insert 'Loudonville is a town' into the article. It is a direct quote from a legitimate source which aappears in a footnote. I will address it wherever you spread this nonsense about me.
UpstateNYer, sorry this has become an issue here. -hippo43 (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism

Checking...Juliancolton | Talk 18:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't look like a block is necessary at this point, but I'll keep an eye out for 3RR violations. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:15, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the assistance. upstateNYer 18:29, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Watervliet (town), New York

It is still in its infancy but I think its pretty good for about an hour or two of work. It's only linked to from Watervliet Shaker Historic District, Colonie, New York, and Leland Stanford (he was born in the town) so I still have alot more article that are currently linked to Colonie, Green Island, or Watervliet (the city) for something that happened prior to 1897 and change to link to this article also. I dont know if any other former towns in NY have had pages made already that I can base this one on, or if I should make the article basically as any other town article, if I did that there are obvious sections I simply couldnt do like demographics.Camelbinky (talk) 07:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

It's definitely an excellent start. The map makes it. upstateNYer 22:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

I quit

UpstateNYer, Im done, I'm leaving wikipedia, Hippo's last comment on my talk page was too much. I hope you can find time to work on or find someone else who is interested in the articles I took so much work in creating and working on. It was fun doing research and editing but this ridiculousness of people who dont know a topic getting involved doesnt make sense to me. I dont go to topics I dont know about and assume I can contribute better than those that do know about it and have been working hard for a longer time. If you agree that hippo's comments were close to or crossing the line please feel free to make sure this doesnt happen to more people, regardless of his claims to having known several people with that syndrome (unlikely since it is under-diagnosed, I've only met two others beside me) his insensitivity is not what would be expected from someone who you would presume would know how to associate with someone with the disorder. Regardless of if anything happens to hippo (a slap on the wrist at most I'm sure), I'm done. Whatever maintenance needs to be done to remove my user page and talk page is not my concern, but if you want to bring it someone's attention to remove it, feel free. I did learn alot from you and enjoyed working with you, I hope I'm not too out-of-line to say that maybe bringing the idea of a CD wikiproject to your attention may have led you down the path to being a future admin. Well, enough with the sentimental crap. I'm outtie! "Remember Fort Orange!"Camelbinky (talk) 22:08, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

This is indeed a sad day. I'm sorry to hear that this user has gotten to you so badly. I would like to ask you to stay, but respect if you've already made your mind up. To have your userpage and talk page deleted, add {{db-userreq}} and {{Retired}} (the latter to indicate you've since retired from editing). I commend you on your efforts here; you are a very skilled researcher and have done a lot for local articles, especially your excellent History of Albany, New York. Asberger's or not, you are a superb addition to this community and your contributions will be missed. If/When you do come back, feel free to drop me line! upstateNYer 22:47, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

This is going to be long, got alot to get off chest before my final edit. Thank you for your kind words, though H. of Alb. is not finished and I dont consider to be fine work at this point, it could have been given time. If you or anyone remembers me I hope its for Port of Albany-Rensselaer, now that article is something I was proud of and hoped showed I could pull my own weight around here as it was only the second article I had ever made from scratch and probably 85% of its content today I can proudly say was put by me. Anyone ever coming across this discussion I hope gets curious and reads it. Perhaps it will put me in a better light. I can be abrassive and for that I apologise to you, UpstateNYer, since its usually you who comes in and rescues me and says "camelbinky has a point" and then puts in better more reasoned comments. Thank you for everything and I will add those to my page to get it deleted. Hippo's continued use of my talk page was too much and I would have at least spent time considering staying due to your kind words but for another comment by hippo, which I know this time at least he may have meant well but used poor judgement in saying "I found you annoying". Somehow in all this discussion at multiple places even with many people on my side I got the brunt from hippo for being obstinate and accused of not wanting to compromise even though I have signed on to every compromise anybody else has put forth, and in fact sometimes even put forth those same compromises myself before anyone else, but it seems no one cares! He can call me in other discussion pages the "anything but Loudonville" group and I dont ask for an apology but I call him out and say he edited Loudonville to include a comment of it being a town (which he did! It is even in the discussion page) and he DEMANDS an apology? I'm sorry, but this increased escalation on his part, bringing to multiple forums, bringing the edit conflict with doncram to other articles (first at Siena College then to Loudonville) without consensus, and the general feeling that he intentionally words things in a certain way to get under my skin to distract from the point of the discussion (including this insistance of mentioning everywhere that he demands an apology from me and that I spread lies about him) simply reinforces my opinion that he is in fact trolling. This is all about conflict and getting people to argue. How long ago did most of us explicitly or implicitly let it be known that we gave up and hippo could have it back? All hippo had to do was quietly put it in with the citation to the college website, but instead it was inflamatory (spelling?) with multiple unneeded citations to which doncram took issue to. I came back to the discussion to support doncram out of loyalty. Even though in one of hippo's edits his edit summary said he didnt mind the multiple citations to be pared down to one (I believe it was in the Loudonville article) when I asked that the citation referring to Loudonville as a town be removed since it was superflous and the technicallity was misleading, esp. to have the quote there in the citation suddenly there was an obstinate refusal to admit that it was not needed. I just find it strange that he can make a comment he doesnt mind that the citations be removed to only one, but when I am the one asking it becomes an issue... The other issue is his continued editing at my talk page regardless of me asking multiple times for him to keep the talk to article talk pages. I have read up on the wikipedia user talk harrassment policies and I have a right to ask that someone refrain from posting on my page and if they continue to bring it to an admins attention at the appropriate forum, and even though it might not have led anywhere if I was going to stay I most certainly would have brought it to that page. But since I am leaving anyways, its not worth it. If you can get doncram and the others (though I must admit it is probably down to only doncram now) to just back off and not say even one word to hippo I believe that some other edit will be made by hippo that will be controversial before too long. If I am wrong and this isnt trolling then good, I apologize in advance to hippo for ever saying it, but one thing my condition is good for is that I read and notice tiny things others dont pick up on, I've come to grips with my condition and know to trust in my instincts. I do believe that hippo brings some personal political/life beliefs into his view on wikipedia guidelines and how they should be applied, its a strict constructionist view of the world, and I just dont believe that viewpoint is a logical one to apply to wikipedia guidelines (or the Constitution for that matter, but I'm a liberal, I believe in the penumbra of the Constitution). I dont expect you to blindly trust me, I just ask you keep your eyes out and look between the lines in the future on this. Since I'm removing my account I'm pretty much free to express myself now and say all this without fear of the politically correct police jumping on me saying I've gone to far and "attacked" someone myself. I do truly hope I am wrong about hippo. I gave him good faith, but received none in return, I was just an annoyance whose opinion and comments were not worth it anyways.Camelbinky (talk) 23:56, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I have put those templates on my user page. This is my final edit. Remember Fort Orange! and if you find that wikipedia page where they list all the retired users and give a eulogy I'd be honored if you added me to it.

Camelbinky (talk) 00:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)


Hello UpstateNYer, I like your userpage, so I added it to the UPDC Hall of fame. I hope you don't mind :) ZooFari 17:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Why thank you, though I just stole the frames template from elsewhere :-) upstateNYer 17:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I doesn't matter :) Yours is unique by the fact it contains FP content in the frame! ZooFari 17:57, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Open Source Beer Project

It's Rory again, sorry I don't have time to be on long, but would you mind looking at Open Source Beer Project and try and discover how it falls under WP:WikiProject_Computing? I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 05:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

I posed the question here. upstateNYer 09:06, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

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Thanks for uploading Image:NicholsSchoolBuffaloNY.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Skier Dude (talk) 00:30, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I requested its deletion on the grounds that it has been superseded. upstateNYer 01:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


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Here's my 2 cents. ZooFari 06:51, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. upstateNYer 06:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Please look before blindly reverting

Look carefully at the links before blindly reverting. My edit was correct. The info about the man who died at the London protests is now located at G-20 Meltdown, split off from 2009 G-20 London summit protests. (talk) 07:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome. (talk) 07:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Sarcasm is my response to yet another established editor whose reflex is to undo an IP edit before looking. About the proper location for the Tomlinson information: I didn't move the info, nor do I have any opinion about it. I was merely looking for the info and entered "Ian Tomlinson". The hatnote there directed me to the wrong article, so I adjusted the hatnote is all. Also, "The name seemed like a joke"? Not sure what you mean. (talk) 08:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)


I looked through the edit history, and found that it was recently expanded from a redirect, so I reverted to the original revision. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:08, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Happy MattWade's Day!

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MattWade has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
so I've officially declared today as MattWade's Day!
For your valuable image work,
enjoy being the star of the day, dear MattWade!

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What a pleasant surprise to come home to after a stressful day and before another stressful day (I guess you'd call it the eye of the storm). Thanks! upstateNYer 00:28, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Is it UpstateNYer Day already?! It seems less than a year has gone by since the last UpstateNYer Day when I was opening my UpstateNYer Day presents under the Brittonkill Tree! I sure hope even being retired that I get presents this year from Capitaldistrict Claus. Happy UpstateNYer Day! YAH!Camelbinky (talk) 03:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Literal laugh out loud→LLOL. upstateNYer 04:32, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deletions

Done. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done with the page protection questions. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:03, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Watervliet, New York

Can you do me a favor and look at the pushpin map on the city of Watervliet article? It looks to me that the dot is actually in Rensselaer County instead of on the Albany County side. I dont know if its just misplaced or just the fact its a small map and those dots are never going to be perfect.Camelbinky (talk) 05:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks okay on my monitor. It's roughly on the border, which may be as close as can be gotten. upstateNYer 12:15, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Japanese river boat

I have it in my to-do list, but I honestly am not looking forward to it much, so I keep procrastinating. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 14:01, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for creating the article! You are very lucky to have created a future top music/video website article. I'm jeolous :-) ZooFari 04:36, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I was legitimately excited! I thought, "No way did I just get to create this article and get its DYK!" I was especially surprised since there were news reports from the beginning of March about the site. upstateNYer 04:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
To good to be true :) Here is a barnstar for you!

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I, ZooFari, would like to give UpstateNYer the CC barnstar for creating the article Vevo, which hopefully will be 2010's best music video website on the Internet. Keep up the great work! ZooFari 05:08, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I haven't gotten the DYK yet, but I don't see why I won't. Wouldn't wanna PO the DYK regulars by claiming something I don't yet have ;-) But I appreciate it! upstateNYer 05:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Er, you will definitely get it. You still deserve it. Great job. ZooFari 05:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)


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Don't worry, it's on my watchlist. I check in from time to time. upstateNYer 07:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
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Barnstar thanks

Cheers. You seem to be getting around everywhere yourself, almost everywhere I've poked tonight I've seen your edits - talkpages, FPC, VPC, PPR, grahicslab, etc. Must be putting in a lot of time here atm. --jjron (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Spreading my wings a bit, so to speak. Some of the administrative tasks are surprisingly... enjoyable. upstateNYer 18:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Letting you know of my use of one of your pictures

I used your picture with the requested reference as part of my lesson on the Assassination of Abraham Lincoln as I liked the quality of it. It is the one of Ford's Theater.Briglss (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:PPR request for the Andrew Carnegie image

I edited it. Care to take a look? Mitchazenia :  Chat  Trained for the pen 21:43, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

 Done upstateNYer 22:25, 12 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi again; a while ago I tried to get more involved in other sections of the project so I followed the procedure to gain access to the account creator interface with a login on there of § then made an edit as instructed on my talk page indicating that it really was me. Expectantly I watched over the next several days waiting for someone to approve me for it. Eventually I forgot about it but yesterday when I tried logging into it I couldn't and I couldn't recover the possible password for it (Attempted to use both I Grave Rob and § as the login to use, then tried to recover both of those names but they didn't exist as a user on the system there). If I try to sign up again it won't let me as it says both my email and me as a user already have an account on there. How should I got about solving this as I still would like to get involved there but it seems to be seriously neglected on the whole... I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 06:20, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

What you checked for is for the Account Creator permission (Like rollback permissions it can be granted by any sysop after request) which removes the six a day throttle on creating accounts and allows names to be created that are similar (to inactive users). I can't even access the tool at all as that needs to be allowed by the Account creator interface admins. I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 13:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Found the weirdest thing

Surfing around (because I still love to learn new things about the CD) I found this Look familiar? It is edited and works exactly the same way as wikipedia. I never knew about mediawiki software, but I may just look into it and see how you buy it or whatever and create a Capital District specific wikipedia like they've done for the Albany County Hilltowns. I assume the copyright status of anything on that site would be the same as anything on wikipedia and therefore could be copy-pasted directly from its edit page to a wikipedia edit page. If that is the case it would be great boon for some CD articles since that hilltown page already uses the same edit notations.Camelbinky (talk) 00:38, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Some of that is really detailed. It's annoying, I wish these people would centralize their efforts to Wikipedia. I looked quickly for copyright information but didn't find any. I'll look more closely later. If the copyright is GFDL or PD, that info can be copy+pasted right to WP. upstateNYer 00:51, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it was started by a town historian or something, they probably decided to have their own website so they wouldnt have to worry about wikipedia rules on consensus and reliable sources and other people coming in with their own opinions and "ruining" their hard work. Not that I would know how that feels. ;-) The only problem I see with copy/pasting from there is that obviously we cant use another wiki-site as a reference and it doesnt seem like they've been as stringent on citations as some wikipedians prefer, but for articles like the hilltowns I'm sure there isnt alot of traffic and no one would mind. If you get ambitious, or know of an editor you can pass it on to, I've found another website on the hilltowns this one being more formal and covering not just the hilltowns of Albany County but also of Schoharie County and I think maybe Rensselaer County and Columbia and Greene as well (not sure, didnt look closely at it, I was concentrating too much on the wiki-hilltowns site at the time).

The Cities Wikiproject does (or did, I'm not too sure if its all that active right now) a "collaboration of the month", where an article each month would be selected and all members encouraged to do what they could/felt like at that article to make it better throughout the month, I was wondering if you perhaps wanted to add something like that to the CD project page, if even just two or three people followed along and did it that would be alot of good and maybe someone would get invested and stay at a needed article even longer than that month. I've been considering getting back into editing as I've come across alot of content, and if I do I may ask you if I can create within the w-project a "Municipality Taskforce" that can first settle some of these ongoing issues and then apply consensus to the articles and clean them up, I'd like to see all the hamlets have a common format and language, all the villages a common format, towns a common format, that way each type is distinct from each other and recognizable. BTW- dont let hippo get you upset, I see you got a lil hot under the collar about hamlet/neighborhood, I'd hate to see you turn your back on wikipedia too.Camelbinky (talk) 21:10, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I may go back to editing using Camelbinky soon, thanks to some kind words added by Doncram in his recent edit to the Siena College talk page (edit done on April 13, but placed in a weird place). I realize I do have friends here who accept my bad quirks along with the good work I do and the good intentions I have. I would like to thank you again for always having my back (even when I didnt deserve it) and helping me everytime I had a question. My next project is to get every single hamlet in Albany County an article starting with those in the town of Colonie, with West Albany, New York being first since having the West Albany Yard makes it notable (though I would like a ruling on whether every hamlet, notable or not, can have a page just like every village, town, city is allowed to).Camelbinky (talk) 07:29, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Glad to have you back. I would assume a hamlet is notable by definition, though I wouldn't make the effort unless you have something to write about. upstateNYer 04:38, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Quackenbush House

If you find time could you see about taking a photo of the Quackenbush House (Nicole's Bistro) from roughly the same angle and location to the 1890 photo on the article page? At least as best as you can, Broadway has been widened in the past 120 years and I definitely dont want you to be standing in the middle of the road as I believe you would have to do if you were in the exact same spot! I think it would be interesting to use as a "before and after" set-up not just for that article but also maybe for Interstate 787, Albany, New York, and History of Albany, New York that could show an effect of the many projects that occured in Albany (mostly during Governor Rockefeller's administration). Thank you and hope it doesnt take too much time from your other projects.Camelbinky (talk) 22:55, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I can do that. No promise when. upstateNYer 23:00, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Thank you.Camelbinky (talk) 23:03, 13 April 2009 (UTC)


Hello UpstateNYer. You are very good at promoting files. However when you note that the file has been promoted you say 'image' instead of 'file'. Can you please make sure that this says file the next time you promote a file? Valerian456 Hush, Rush 16:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean..? Are you talking about my edit summaries when promoting an FPC? upstateNYer 16:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
No. It's what actually shows up when promoting an FPC. Valerian456 Hush, Rush 16:22, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, just lurking :-). Consider this for example: the file on the image page is called File:Eclairage.jpg but you've promoted it as Promoted Image:Eclairage.jpg, i.e., you've used Image instead of File. Yes, the FPC instructions say to use Promoted Image:FILENAME.JPG but they were written prior to naming on Commons changing to use the more general 'File:' prefix instead of the older 'Image:' prefix (I don't spend enough time around here, or especially on Commons, to know why it was changed). MER-C for example is now almost exclusively promoting as File:, but that's probably due to how he enters it in his wizard.
I guess no one bothered to change the FPC instructions because those of us most likely to do so already knew what to do anyway! I also note that a lot of users - perhaps all? - are still using the Image: prefix in their noms even though the images are now called File:. This is due to the FPC nomination template itself and the way it substitutes. Perhaps we should change it and the closing guidelines now that pretty much everything is called File:.
FWIW you (both) may also like to have a look at this question I posed in January, without success in finding an answer! User_talk:Brian0918#FPC_Result_Template and User_talk:Jjron#FPC_Result_template. Incidentally I did make this tweak to the nominating in Jan, but didn't change the actual substitution procedure itself; could be time now? BTW, don't think I ever tweaked anything on VP/VPC. --jjron (talk) 17:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up. I was kind of clueless as to what was previously meant. I only follow the instructions exactly because I assumed the template required the string "Image:" and would reject "File:", though to be honest, I never tried otherwise. I'll keep that in mind for future closings. If it doesn't affect anything, I say we just change it in the instructions and closing procedure. I'll take a look over at VPC when classes are done for the day. Thanks for that help Jjron and I appreciate your input Valerian. upstateNYer 17:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
No worries. BTW I just left a message at MER-C's talkpage that sort of indirectly mentions you; don't want you to think I'm talking about you behind your back. :-) --jjron (talk) 17:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Changes made look pretty good to me; I had only left them because there seems to still be a few 'Image:'s coming through, but that's becoming pretty rare now and I think most people dealing with closing, etc, should be able to work it out if that happens. Wonder if we should also change the substitutions so they load using the 'File:' format in FPC/VPC noms? Again had left that due to the mixture of names - but 'File:'s obviously load if you call them 'Image:', suppose it works the other way round as well. --jjron (talk) 09:35, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
BTW, well done on adding this to the VPC archives - that was a bugbear missing that. --jjron (talk) 09:42, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Image deletion

I'm not sure if you have noticed, but File:USNationalArchives-edit1.jpg is under eligibility for deletion. It is the corrected version made at the Graphics Lab. ZooFari 23:11, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded it over the original (notice in the history, I called for the speedy delete). For some reason when I do that, the original shows on the image page for a while. It's annoying. But yes, everything is fine. Thanks for keeping an eye on things. ;-) upstateNYer 23:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Ah. The image usually requires purging, which is quite a nuisance for my images as well. Cheers, ZooFari 23:36, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I must have purged more than 15 times, both here and at Commons. I've purged and reloaded at Commons, then purged and reloaded here and nothing works. But if you look at the most recent version uploaded at the bottom, it's the correct version. Freakin' weird. upstateNYer 23:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
ERRR. I know how it feels. You reminded me of an image on my user page (Sisymbrium irio) that was updated a LOOOONG time ago, and it barely was updated on my user page this week. Like you, I purged thousands of times here and there and it took this long to get updated. Sometimes I get puzzled and think that I uploaded the same original file again and causes me to upload multiple times. ZooFari 00:36, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Graphics lab

I updated the image. How is it? -- penubag  (talk) 22:25, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Vevo

Updated DYK query On April 16, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Vevo, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Thank you much! upstateNYer 19:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Ha! I knew the DYK regulars would not let Vevo pass on without a DYK! So, do you want me to update your barnstar? :-) ZooFari 23:55, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
It's all you! upstateNYer 00:08, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

New York's 20th congressional district special election

Hi there, I saw you were the last to update the article on the election and I noticed the numbers have changed with Murphy leading by 178 votes as of tonight. Do you know how to input a new source page for the new tally or could you update it as you did before? The link is here: (talk) 01:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


Hiyo UpstateNYer :D, its been a while. I registered a domain name recently,, and almost immediately regretted my decision. GoDaddy has a no refund policy so I perked up and thought about selling it :D. A valuation of it told me it was worth $300 USD but to be honest I only want $50 so I get a bit of profit and can expand into other areas of speculative purchasing of domain names to make a profit. Anyway I might not be on for a bit while I work through GoDaddys many convuluted T&C so I can force them to let me transfer it away from them >_> They as a company don't seem to like making it easy for a person to do anything without incurring hidden charges and costs; unlike most people I actually read them and am not trapped into paying fees. I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 06:26, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Strange, I definitely clicked new section >_> I Grave Rob§talkstalk§ 06:36, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I bought a domain name from them a few years ago too and was annoyed to find that I then had to pay additionally for hosting space. The especially annoyed me because it was a .org for a local food shelter whose website I was in charge of. And I was paying for it as a charitable donation. Grrrrr. I know exactly what you mean. upstateNYer 11:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


I'll probably try it again in a bit: Easter week was a particularly slow week for FPC. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:00, 17 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi, UpstateNYer; when you add Featured pictures at WP:GO, can you please put them in date order, top to bottom, as done in the other sections?[2] That will make weekly archiving easier. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:24, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Don't blame me. It looks like there is a disagreement here; this edit was definitely done for a reason. Let me know the outcome so I know what to do in the future. upstateNYer 18:48, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
That was incorrect; I changed it. (Since no one involved with any process other than FAs has ever taken one second to archive and update the WP:GO page, it would be helpful if those other processes follow the established norms.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:51, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Sorry for the misunderstanding. upstateNYer 18:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Capital District

Hope you get a chance to check out the changes I've made to the article. If you have any pointers, see things wrong, questions, comments, pictures to add, I'd love for the feedback and hopefully you can add things to the article I didnt think of. With your help when you can and if I focus most of my attention on this article I think we can make this a GA article in about a month or two, just fill me in on a list of things that you think it needs and I'll get going on it. I'd really like the flagship article for the project to at least be a GA, it always bothered me in the ports wikiproject that the ports article was clearly not as good as many of the individual port articles. I've been working on NRHP articles in the CD with Doncram and its been giving me lots of good info for the CD article.Camelbinky (talk) 02:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Closing of File:Calliphora vomitoria crop.jpg

Closing seems to be a bit broken. The nomination itself mentions the wrong file, I got the wrong message, and the commons tag is on the wrong thing, but it seems right in other places. Noodle snacks (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm used to copy+pasting from the first line; that was my first closing where the edit won over the original and I was apparently a bit lazy. As for the Commons tag, I think that was DustyBot misinterpreting my mistake and running with it. Sorry, it was late at night; all better now though! upstateNYer 15:26, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Pearly penile etc

Hoi, what are you thinking removing a picture from a featured picture candidate? This is clearly absurd. GerardM (talk) 07:54, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I think it's reasonable to say that FPC should be safe for work. upstateNYer 14:52, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
If this is your opinion, you should vote against it. Removing the picture is ridiculous. GerardM (talk) 22:39, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
Personally, I disagree. But this is a wiki. Change it if you want. upstateNYer 05:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I'm with UpstateNYer, FPC should be safe for work and family -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 19:06, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Pardon, but you call UpstateNYer's proper and faithful consideration rediculous? Perhaps you aren't aware of the FPC talkpage. It isn't one's decision, and I'm really against your phrase. For the time being, it was right to have the image linked. Take discussion a consideration if you are disagree. ZooFari 03:34, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
It is ridiculous because this about getting a picture featured. Featured means being on the main page of the English Wikipedia. If we cannot have the picture on the featured picture request, it is quite clear that this picture will not feature.
As far as I am concerned, the removal of the picture was nowhere obviously discussed beforehand and the notion that this is "screaming" is incorrect. I expect discussion to be on the subjects talk page. That one is empty. The discussion I think ZooFari refers to on the FPC is after my reply. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 06:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Not all FPs make it to the main page, just as not all FAs make it to the main page. The point of featured content is not solely to end up on the main page. Again, if you were so upset, you could have changed it; this is a wiki. upstateNYer 11:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
I doubt the image would ever go on the main page, even if consensus was to promote. If someone wants to research this whole penis thing, then they would search it. However, the Today's Featured Picture regulars probably won't consider it, as the main page should be kept family friendly. So there really is no exception to linking the image, but again, as UpstateNYer mentioned, this is a Wiki. ZooFari 13:42, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Fountain of Time

Did you ever copy the Fountain of Time images to commons?--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Completely forgot. Though my current preference is to move images with the {{movetocommons}} tag that are used in at least two articles here. More of a chance of use on other projects. Moving images really isn't that bad; why don't you try CommonsHelper? upstateNYer 14:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC)


Thanks, I'll look into that. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:50, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

List of 81st Academy Awards In Memoriam tribute honorees

As someone with at least ten edits of 81st Academy Awards, you might want to comment at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of 81st Academy Awards In Memoriam tribute honorees/archive1.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:26, 24 April 2009 (UTC)


That's my first award on wikipedia ever! Thank you!Camelbinky (talk) 23:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually coming back to the CD during the summer, I'll be staying in Colonie (oddly enough about 2 miles from Siena College!) and will be going to Saratoga Springs to visit family so I hope to help out on getting some photos if you want to add requests for places up in Saratoga Springs or along the way (I dont mind taking the back roads of US 9 US 4 NY 32 NY 50 or NY 40 if there are places along those routes).Camelbinky (talk) 03:23, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Good to know; will keep that in mind. upstateNYer 03:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Do you know of any good sites for general info on the school districts of the CD so I can incorporate a section on Education in the CD article? Maybe info like- how many districts there are, how many are city versus central (and union free, etc), the largest by student population (I know its either Shenendahowa or Schenectady, I want to say Schenectady is and that Shen is the largest suburban school), BOCES and VOTEC info, and I see there's info on Tech Valley High already in the article. And of course any info that you think should be in there too.Camelbinky (talk) 22:46, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

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Albany, NY police department

That article was recently made (about a month ago), has lots of info, but not properly cited, not wikified, and its an orphan. I stumbled across it when someone tried to put in a link to it from the Albany, New York page but in a place that wasnt the best location for mentioning the creation of the police force. I dont know if we should spend time putting the effort into putting wikiproject templates on it, categorizing it, wikifying it, and linking to it from other articles and generally just cleaning it up or just put it up for AfD. I havent found any similarly sized cities with articles on their police forces, the closest thing I've found is that there is an article for Buffalo's fired department (but not their police department strangely enough). What do you think?Camelbinky (talk) 04:16, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

It's actually a copy-vio. I db'ed it. upstateNYer 04:29, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, sir.Camelbinky (talk) 05:06, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


I made a bitmap outline at File:NY20thDistrict2009PollChart.svg. What do you think? Please reply on my talk page. --Goldblattster (talk) 17:44, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I cannot do it. I was working on the text. When I was done with the text and I uploaded it onto Wikipedia, it looked corrupted or something. Go check it out yourself. --Goldblattster (talk) 21:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh I know why it happened. Oh well I can't do this, assuming I *do* know what is going on. Sorry! --Goldblattster (talk) 22:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
If you still have the original bitmap, I would be glad to fix your SVG. ZooFari 22:25, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Vectored 2009 thingy

I mada a response above, and didn't know it was in the GL. Here is a clean file I vectorized:

File:2009 NY 20th District Congressional Race Polls.svg

Let me know if this works for you. By the way, the markers (bullets) in the colored lines were left black. I don't know how to change them in Inkscape. ZooFari 02:50, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. Thank you, sir. upstateNYer 02:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
De nada! :-) ZooFari 02:58, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Photo montage

Do you think you could pick out some photos and create a photo montage for the geobox on the Capital District article (and it might even be useful for the wikiproject page as well). I was thinking something similar to the one in the infobox on New York City. That one I think has five photos. There's plenty to choose from- the Empire State Plaza, Proctor's in Schenectady, a photo of the Saratoga Race Course during a race (there arent any good ones currently, will have to request), the Pepsi Arena, the Troy panorama photo, the TROY "sign" in Prospect Park, EMPAC (one of my fav photos), SUNY Albany, the GE sign as seen from Erie Blvd in Schenectady; ooooh, now that I think about it I like the GE sign better than putting the some of the others in, I definitely need to request a photo for it, since the Pepsi Arena already has its photo in the article maybe putting something else in would be better kinda keep from giving people the same photos over again. But you know what photos are out there and what ones you can get, so if you feel like doing it I know itll be good.Camelbinky (talk) 02:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Yea, good idea. Will take some time because I'll have to take the photos and it's still only early spring. upstateNYer 19:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
The photo montage at the bottom of this webpage might give you some ideas for places to put in the montage when you get time to work on it. Clockwise from top left the pictures are of- children (ok, not a great example); Albany as seen from Rensselaer (probably somewhere north of Third); what I think is the Jay Street Pedestrian Walk in downtown Schenectady between State St and the City Hall; tulips with the King Fountain/Moses in background; restaurant in downtown Saratoga Springs; some stream somewhere; in the middle are the Nott Memorial and a horse at Saratoga. It obviously kinda leaves Troy and Rensselaer County out unless the children and stream are both photos taken there, but still. Camelbinky (talk) 21:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'll get something. It will all work out. upstateNYer 21:05, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Although on that note, do you know where the this was taken? I'm trying to figure it out, but I'm not having much luck. upstateNYer 21:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
My first guess is from the pedestrian bridge that is alongside the Dunn Memorial, to get onto the ped bridge (or whatever its called) the easiest entrance is on the Rensselaer side, Riverside Park, next to the offramp that ends across Broadway from the Dunkin' Donuts, taking that ped bridge up should get you as high and at the right angle for that shot, I just cant imagine anything being that high up for that shot, other than taking the photo from a car on the ramp that curves from Columbia Turnpike. MAYBE it was taken from the Rensselaer Amtrak Station... but it seems closer than that.Camelbinky (talk) 00:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Statue identification

Burns Monument or King Fountain, also known as "Moses Smiting the Rock"; on the wikiproject talk page I mistakenly called it the Burns Statue, I believe the Burns Statue is actually a statue of Mr. Burns, whereas the monument is a statue by J. Massey Rhind (sculptor) dedicated by Henry L. King.,M1 page 16 for the monument, page 30 for the statue. I would label it the King Fountain per,M1 page 727 and I think that tends to be the most common technical term, though most individuals would probably just say "that statue with the guy with the staff"Camelbinky (talk) 00:03, 1 May 2009 (UTC) Love the photo by the way!

It was a little too cloudy today. Hopefully I can replace it this weekend when it's sunnier. upstateNYer 00:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
If you think that would be better. I think it kinda adds to the whole Moses smiting the rock, God getting angry story from the Bible having it cloudy and such. I dont know how it will look but an angle where you can see Moses more clearly might be better, but then the flowers might not look as good if you move to that kind of angle. Next time you're there, you might want to get a picture of the bust of Henry Lincoln Johnson, go south from the King Fountain (I think that's probably the best way to refer to it) about 75 yards to Henry Johnson Blvd, the bust should be in the little traffic island formed from where Henry Johnson Blvd splits and HJB continues goes south to meet Willet St. and Madison Avenue and the other park road (Albany Plan of Union? cant recall name right now) goes north to go past the King Fountain.Camelbinky (talk) 00:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead and added it to the Moses article, as a thumb it was the perfect size to go with the paragraph that concerns Moses smiting the rock. I dont know if it will stay or someone will want to remove it, but the other photos in the article are all of works of art depicting events in Moses' life so I dont see how its any different. But some may object that its not a well-enough known work, or its from behind, or whatever, but maybe it will stay there. Just thought I'd give you the heads-up that its in an article for when you replace it with a better photo.Camelbinky (talk) 00:51, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Wow! That does look like it belongs in the Moses article! Thanks! I personally like the one with the tulips though as far as a photo representing Albany goes, seeing as how tulips have more to do with our heritage, history, culture, and festivals. Great photo!Camelbinky (talk) 21:24, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm going back tomorrow. I'll try to get a better front shot with the tulips. Plus it's supposed to be sunny. I'll probably upload over this image so nobody will have to worry about updating articles. upstateNYer 21:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


Thanks. I tried it with columns before and it screwed up, but I think I have an idea of how to get it working now. :) — neuro(talk) 13:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Since you're using it as well, I'll prioritise this a little more and hopefully get on it tomorrow, and add some more stuff. :) — neuro(talk) 02:49, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
I thought it would be fun to beat you to it. 718smiley.png upstateNYer 02:52, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the "nice job!", I just studied your edits and practiced with just "preview" until I got it looking like yours. Thats generally how I've learned on wikipedia, I just look at the edits that create things I want to do and mess around until it looks like theirs but with the info I want. I never knew about those color boxes until you just put them in the CD article, I just now tweaked the color for Amsterdam from pink to magenta, and for Hudson from green to light green, Hudson seems still a little off but I think its ok. I had about probably at least 85% of the school districts in the entire 11 counties in a table for a List of school districts in New York's Capital District but when I went to preview I found out I wasnt logged in and so lost all the information! I am PISSED! I dont know if I want to go back and do it again. I based it on the table of school districts in Rensselaer County, New York, but with an extra column for the towns and cities that the district covered. I like all the edits you did, love the new EMPAC building photo.Camelbinky (talk) 23:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

That's how I learn too. In fact, I copy source codes from other places instead of rewriting them. I don't know if you still have the same window opened, but you can always click "back" to retrieve the information. A nice job to UpstateNYer from me as well. ZooFari 00:49, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
You may want to just include the districts from Capital Region BOCES and Questar from List of school districts in New York. The list seems complete and those two BOCES seem to cover the whole area. Actually I don't think they cover Saratoga. But at least you'd have most of the start. upstateNYer 03:07, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I didnt realize that article existed, that is a good idea. I havent checked that article out yet but I assume from the name that they probably have the Saratoga County names in it too, they have a BOCES (or Votec or Questar, whatever they call it) in Saratoga Springs so hopefully the schools in that organization are included as well and are most of the rest of the region.

BOCES is a collection of school districts (similar to, say, a congressional district being made up of towns) and is location based. All BOCES are known as BOCES except Questar (though Questar's official name is Rensselaer-Columbia-Greene BOCES), which felt the term came with too many negative connotations. Votec is a service typically offered by BOCES. BOCES are strictly location based, so you could make a map of the BOCES in the state based on school district boundaries. But no school districts overflow into more than one BOCES. Now you know have the Cliff-notes! upstateNYer 17:02, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, that explains alot! I just looked at the list article for the entire state and your explanation makes me understand their format alot more. It looks like the four BOCES they have under their "Capital District Region" heading covers over 90% of the expanded most wide-reaching 11 county Capital District definition along with Hamilton and Essex counties; Ill just have to double check and make sure I eliminate any districts in Ham and Essex and then it looks like there are some school districts in Fulton, Greene, and Schoharie counties that are part of BOCES listed in other regions and I'll just have to add those in too. The CDRPC website has a good map of all the school districts in the 4 core CD counties laid over a map of all the cities/towns/villages, unfortunately I dont know of a way we can use it since its not public domain.Camelbinky (talk) 17:26, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I know exactly the maps you're talking about because I wanted to use them on school district articles, but figured they'd end up deleted. :-( upstateNYer 20:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Would like to invite you to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Common Sense!Camelbinky (talk) 00:43, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
That newest panorama on the CD article page, was that from US 4 north of Exit 9? I like it, even though I'm more of a city person than someone who likes countryside, but it definitely gives a good contrast of just what the CD is made up of the two things the CD is made of, cities surrounded by beautiful countryside. Were you able to check out if I was right about where that one photo was taken? I would be surprised if it wasnt taken from the Dunn Memorial access ramp or the ped bridge alongside it.Camelbinky (talk) 21:29, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Yea, that was taken from what used to be Bennigan's parking lot (now it's called The Sports Grille or something like that). Most of my photos have coordinates listed below the description, which will tell you where they were taken from (just click on the coords and it will let you choose between satellite services to see the location). I didn't notice a ped ramp from Rensselaer to Albany, though I didn't look that thoroughly. I'll check back in the future when I have more time. upstateNYer 23:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

It's definitely there, I've walked across it (and boy is it a long hike!). Here are the coord as given on the NYS GIS Clearinghouse website Long: -73.7449/Lat: 42.6410 I was wrong about it being across from the Dunkin Donuts (oops), its about a block south on Broadway about a block north of 3rd Ave, it will be on your left (if travelling north from Columbia Turnpike) almost immediately after you cross Mill Creek. Should be visible on wikimapia.Camelbinky (talk) 06:42, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Deletion deadline coming up

Sure. –Juliancolton | Talk 13:30, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


It is listed as having been taken from State Street and that has been carried over on the caption for tje photo on the sandbox for a future article on the building, can you double check that it was? Washington Ave (Route 5 though unlabelled as such) is the road that separates the Education Building from the Capitol and seems like where it was taken from (specifically it looks like you may have been standing alongside the Capitol building itself), State St (often referred to as Upper State Street unofficially) is on the opposite side of the Capitol and at Eagle St jogs north a bit to continue down as the State Street most people think of.Camelbinky (talk) 21:58, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

You are correct. Good catch. upstateNYer 22:09, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/UpstateNYer 2Juliancolton | Talk 16:25, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Up and running; thank you for the nom, JC. upstateNYer 17:05, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Great—good luck! –Juliancolton | Talk 17:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

use of some of your images for my web site

Hi there, I am an attorney, and I would like to use several of your courthouse pictures for my site. They are really great shots. In any event, I will post the credit line as you've requested. The new site is not up yet, but it's Should be launched in a week or so. Thanks - and let me know If there is anything else I need to do.

Aaron Baily, Esq. (talk) 02:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC) Larchmont, NY

Yea no problem. Just be sure to read this and you'll be fine. Thanks for the notification. upstateNYer 02:42, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar for Yx7791

Hi UpstateNYer, thanks very much for the barnstar and reviewing my articles. Much appreciated! More to come on the demolished Mohawk Mall and Saratoga Mall...once I get some more time.Yx7791 (talk) 03:02, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Blacklisted website?

I've never had this happen before, but apparently Business Images of New York’s Tech Valley official website is blacklisted? It is published by the Tech Valley Chamber Coalition, its the online version of their annual publication and has updates throughout the year...I'd put the html here for you to check it, but since it is blacklisted by wikipedia...I cant! Hopefully this goes Do you know why or what the reason would be?

Not too sure. Maybe the help desk could help you... upstateNYer 04:22, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Images at United States

Hi UpstateNYer – those are my two least favorite images on the page as well! As far as the church image, yeah I'm a little confused as to what denomination(s) would be acceptable. Granted, Presbyterians are not incredibly numerous in this country... but I'm not sure if he was implying it has to be Southern Baptist specifically, or if something like United Methodist would work since they're at least near 10 million members. Good point about Catholicism, that just confuses the issue more... is Protestants > Catholics more important here, or is Catholics > Southern Baptists? Also... even if it has to be Protestant because of there being more Protestants than Catholics, I think it should be a mainline church rather than an evangelical one like the Southern Baptists. Because even if there are more evangelical Protestants than non-evangelical Protestants these days, there are still more non-evangelical Christians (including Catholics) than evangelical Christians. And the caption says "Most Americans identify as Christian", right?

The strip mall image... I must say I am not a big fan of having a strip mall represent U.S. "Food". Wouldn't an image of a corn field or wheat field be more appropriate? Or a farm in general? It just seems like a bizarre choice to me... I don't know about you, but I've eaten maybe... one... two?... meals at a strip mall in the past year or so. Even Americans who "eat out" every meal probably don't do it at a strip mall. Maybe a free-standing drive-through (but I don't think that'd be a good idea for an image either!)

We should probably get together with the regulars and talk about those two images in the near future... so we can get a clear idea of what they can be replaced with. I agree that they could definitely use replacing. Ben Lunsford (talk) 20:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea good point on the strip mall. Why use it in the first place? upstateNYer 20:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Grant FPC

I realise this, but the thing has gotten to such a point that one of the stupidest statements I've seen in my life appears in that FPC - that we shouldn't include our only colour image, and only image depicting Grant's early military career, in our article on Grant. I mean, that's just jaw-droppingly stupid. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 21:51, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough; just making the point. upstateNYer 21:54, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I know, and it's well-meant, just I'm already rather frustrated at FPC, and this isn't helping. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:35, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Color on the scrolling boxes

Is it ok if we use a slightly different color on the scrolling boxes? Having the boxes stand out a bit from the rest makes more sense to me, I dont know how you feel though it seems like you may be in favor of having it blend in with the rest. That's why I used the lightyellow color though that choice was probably not the best. I just think if it is a bit lighter than the gold color of the rest of the boxes it would stand out more as being a separate scrolling box instead of having an outlined box. If you dont agree I defer to your position.Camelbinky (talk) 03:36, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't want it to be too different. But I see your point. how's that? upstateNYer 03:41, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I'll see if I can find a color that isnt too bad, then make a small box on your talk page to examine and see if you like. If you dont like any we can leave it the way it is. BTW just voted on your admin nomination. You sure do have lots of votes for support!Camelbinky (talk) 03:49, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
You can make the edits on the page. Otherwise it will be hard to compare. Let me know when you find a color you like and I'll take a look. And thanks for the !vote of confidence. I very much appreciate it. upstateNYer 03:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Your welcome. Oh, and you might be interested in this little tidbit I found on researching the beginnings of the Tech Valley slogan. Apparently it was originally "Techneurial Valley" with Tech Valley being the diminutive at least according to this article from shortly after the name was unveiled. and
WTF does that mean? Techneurial? Glad they didn't boast that and stuck with the simpler version. upstateNYer 04:06, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I think you might be agreeable to the current color, its just slightly lighter than the rest of the box. As for the Techneurial I totally agree with you! When I first read it I assumed it must be the combination of "technology" and "entrepreneurial" sort of like encouraging technology oriented entrepreneurs to the area...Camelbinky (talk) 04:20, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Not once did I think of those two words, but now that you say it, you're most likely right. Still stupid. Colors look great; if you're happy, so am I. Then again, there's no reason we have to stay with the yellow motif. That was arbitrary on my part. I went with green for WP:NYHV b/c, well, I thought of forests and mountains. Not sure why I went with yellow here. We could always change to red or blue or something. As long as we keep the color palette pleasing to the eye. Looks like Doncram is pleased too. upstateNYer 04:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I fixed the coords for Schenectady City Hall, double checked after posting them and yup they come up right. If you've never seen photos of their city hall, in my opinion it is architecturally the best looking city hall in the entire area. Though I'm looking forward in a couple years seeing a new Troy City Hall, though if they stay permanetly at the old Verizon Building on 4th I'll be PISSED, shed tears for the days o'old when the cities of the Capital District could spend money like they had a printing press.Camelbinky (talk) 04:39, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Yea Troy really should be ashamed. I saw an old photo of their original city hall and it was beautiful (and I don't use that word often). Now they're housed in a 1970s piece of architectural shit. And now they plan on moving to a building with no windows??? They won't build new, but they should have renovated Proctor's, in all honesty. It just doesn't make sense. upstateNYer 04:46, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
I've read two different "possibilities" on Troy's permanent city hall. One that they might put it in the proposal for development at where Congress and Ferry split at 8th Street (where the public housing towers used to be, though its been a long time since they were torn down and I dont know how old you are and if you remember them!) behind the old county jail, across from the county office building. The second proposal I heard was that when the developer they sold city hall on River Street rebuilds it with a mixed use and a park and all that they'll have a new office building the city will rent space for a city hall there. Either way I'm sure it will be sterile, lifeless, and nothing with unnecessary ornate carvings or stonework detail like the city halls of old, like Cohoes, Albany, and Schenectady. Even Saratoga Springs and Waterford arent too shabby though plainer than the others, though Saratoga Springs might move theirs and I'm interested in seeing what they propose seeing as how they have the money to truly do something inspiring. Menands and the town of Colonie are probably the most sterile ones I've ever been to.Camelbinky (talk) 03:04, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

←I had just passed my permit test and walked outside and saw them demolishing those towers. My dad and I watched for about an hour; so cool. I don't care if they build a new building; tho I hadn't heard the idea of putting it between Congress and Ferry (it's a good idea though). I like old buildings and I like new buildings. But I hate anything built between 1965 and 1990. They all suck. Which is why I can't stand many architects. Bleh. And isn't the Saratoga Springs city hall the newer brick building on Broadway? Or is it the one further south near the post office? upstateNYer 03:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

It's brick, near the convention center/hotel (dont know what chain they are now, possibly a Crowne Plaza or Sheraton), same side of Broadway corner of Lake, the police department is in the back of the building on the same street as the "new" library. I think it was built in the late 1800s, the date is on the front towards the top of the building.Camelbinky (talk) 19:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)


Sorry, I missed your message. What I would suggest is to subst another template that uses {{subst:SUBPAGENAME}} as parameter 1. That would fix it. :) — neuro(talk) 22:17, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Empty Threats

You shouldn't issue threats you are not able to follow through on. Nor should you disguise political partisanship as NPOV vigilance. My edits are factual, and I can back them up with the popular press. It sucks when the political party you support loses elections. You should have the professionalism it takes to not threaten banning anyone that accurately states that your team lost. It makes you look like a child. Rain City Blues (talk) 02:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

First off, I never threatened you. I just warned you of what may come if you continue editing the way you did. Second, all of those examples were prime examples of POV and none of them were referenced. Adding [[Category: Propagandists]] to Zogby? POV to the extreme. And next time, please post on the bottom of my talk page, like everybody else. If you still have issues, please respond here. upstateNYer 05:59, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, do you think I'm the author of this and this b/c I was a Tedisco supporter? Common sense will show you the correct answer. All in all, you need to outright reference your statements. You claim you have "popular press" on your side. Please prove it. upstateNYer 06:09, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Bullshit. You threatened to have me banned for making accurate statements about Tedisco having lost the race. Do a google search with both contestants' names in Google News and you get 552 hits, all stating that Tedisco lost. Here's the link, you lazy bastard.

Now, will you kindly fuck off and stop trying to revise history? Your boy lost, get over it, and stop making threats on people that report the results of the election. I made that edit the night of the election, and those were the numbers being reported by CNN, NPR and every major television news outlet in the country. Maybe the outcome bothered you, but that's no reason to threaten me with a ban because I edited the article according to what was being reported in the press. And now here it is, weeks after the election is over and Tedisco conceded, and you can't let go and admit that you were wrong. You childish little brat.

Oh, and Zogby conducts push polls, which is a form of propaganda. By definition, a person who makes propaganda is a propagandist, and therefore, Zogby belongs in that category along with the rest of them. Maybe you do as well, given your obvious right wing and highly POV bent. Perhaps you should ban yourself for a while. Rain City Blues (talk) 09:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Ok, calm down. You are free to express your opinion, but try to assume good faith and not attack him. I understand how ticked you can get when somebody and you can't agree. I am bad at that. Just do me a favor don't curse and scream at UpstateNYer. A calm discussion helps better than a screaming match. Thanks. 3 1/2 years of Mitch32 12:38, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

You can send me to a google search all you want, but that's not a reference in the article (indeed, you can't cite a google search anyway). I'm not right-wing, I'm centrist, and I supported Murphy (I thought this would have clued you in); not that that really matters because this is still an issue. Also, I'm not the only one that feels that some of your edits are an issue. Just the addition of this pushes towards point of view and opinion, which is not appropriate here. Admittedly, it's a fine line, but civilized society typically doesn't go outright calling the losing candidate "the loser"; it's just not professional. And probably most importantly, whenever you insert a number or claim into an article, you must reference it. You have yet to do that. Honestly, a vote count from the 31st of March means nothing because of the recounts of the voting machines. Board of Elections hasn't even yet released the official numbers because they're still counting (even though Tedisco did concede). And I'll kindly ask that you don't swear on my talk page. upstateNYer 15:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Rain City Blues, may I ask you to see my reply if you haven't already? There are reasons why we don't say "loser". ZooFari 17:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)


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Gahh! looks perfect! Thanks ZooFari! upstateNYer 05:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hi UpstateNYer,

I don't mind you creating a page in 'my userspace' in the least. Thanks for helping facilitate the identification of the photos I uploaded! I'm glad you like them.

Happy editing,

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wp:3RR is supposed to be 3 reverts in a 24 hour period was I at 3 already? ARGH!Camelbinky (talk) 20:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

You're right; I forgot about the time requirement. But still. better to debate it out on the talk page. Also, I wasn't threatening you; just a friendly reminder. :-) upstateNYer 21:04, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I know you werent threatening me. The ARGH was just a frustration "yell" about the whole situation over there. Sorry.
About the photo, it might be able to be added to the Sematech article since its also the headquarters of their International Sematech subsidiary, though a photo that shows more of additions that are the heart of their manufacturing and research would be best. The photo only shows a bit of the newer post-1997 additions, along with the original CESTM. A photo like that could probably even be used for the IBM article since it has alot of their newer research going on their. For now I'll continue to look for a place in the University at Albany, SUNY page; it could also be used at the Tech Valley section on the Capital District page since it helped put Albany on the map, the Albany, NY page as well, especially if I ever get around to finishing the history section to the modern day.Camelbinky (talk) 21:18, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
I also have this. I don't know UAlbany that well, and based on a map, it seemed these two buildings are different centers, even thought they're connected. Unfortunately I couldn't get a panorama of the whole two because a light post was in the way. Take a look through my most recent photos (from today); you may find other uses for them. upstateNYer 21:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Ah, yes, that is exactly the photo I was hoping you would have! The buildings are connected and to the best of my knowledge you can go from one to the other through internal hallways, though each section had (at least as each was constructed) a different name. I dont know if they are ever treated as separate buildings though. CESTM and the first nano-tech oriented addition built were actually not even touching, but it was always the intention to build the section between the two. There are some photos out there on the Web of the construction, unfortunately all would be copyrighted. I'll starting going through all your photos in a sec.Camelbinky (talk) 21:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Per this I believe the entire "building" or complex is still technically CESTM even though environmental science isnt exactly the main use or notability of the building anymore.Camelbinky (talk) 21:50, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

And this has the photo (at the bottom of the page) that I was thinking of, where they built the first "addition" with a gap and later connected the buildings, at the top of the page is a CADD-altered photo of what the building would look like when complete, though you'd be able to tell me better than my memory whether it ended up looking like that. Different sources seem to say different things about whether CESTM and the nanoscale complex are considered the same, though I have confirmed that the original Center of Excellence in Nanoelectronics (precursor to the Nanoscale College) was located in the original CESTM. Camelbinky (talk) 21:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for making this public; I don't think I will identify them all myself. I started seeing some of Neelix's images, and some are very good, making them possible for FP. So, as species ID are identified, would you participate in moving them to Commons? Anymore notes or suggestions? ZooFari 23:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I'll move them. Seems in a day or so I'll be a tad more effective in doing that (I'll be able to delete!). upstateNYer 23:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh and just in case you didn't see this. upstateNYer 23:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Excellent, and thanks for the notification. I received 3 messages at once and nearly missed all :) You mentioned something about the colors. I may not be comprehending this well, but do you want the same colors of the PNG? Or do you just want me to use dull colors (not bright) to somewhat match the other SVGs?
Actually, duller colors would probably be more appropriate for an encyclopedia. But when you do that, can you list the colors' codes here so I can update the boxes in the article? (i.e. #00FF00). upstateNYer 00:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay. Of coarse. One more thing, do you want Lake Ontario the same color as the other SVG? ZooFari 00:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Yep. upstateNYer 00:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Sorry if you were expecting this right away, which I was, but I had to run away for an hour (or two). So here it is. 80ff87ff- green; 4d5de8ff- blue; ff80ffff- purple; Red is red. Let me know if the colors are okay for you or any other modifications you would like for me to do. ZooFari 01:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Looks great! I just need the code for yellow. upstateNYer 02:16, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Oops. ffff71ff. Anything else you'd like me to modify or do? ZooFari 02:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Perfect. upstateNYer 02:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

What happened to Fulton County?

The new map made by zoofari (did I get the name right?) has erased Fulton County from the Capital District pink shaded area. By accident I'm sure. The Johnstown Micropolitan Statistical Area is a part of the Albany-Schenectady-Amsterdam CSA and therefore still part of the definition I'm using for the info being put in the Capital District article and its related pages (school districts, list of municipalities, media, etc). Is it possible to get this fixed?Camelbinky (talk) 08:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup, you're right. I'll get that fixed. upstateNYer 14:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you, sir.Camelbinky (talk) 21:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hey UpstateNYer. Is it correct now? Anything else? And congratulations on your adminship! I will definitely come to you when I want some of my stuff deleted :) ZooFari 23:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

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Just a couple of things:

ur a frickin retard. why dont u pick on a booger your own size u big fattie moron with a head too small for your body. i bet u dont eben know 1+1.

You shouldn't issue threats you are not able to follow through on. Nor should you disguise political partisanship as NPOV vigilance. My edits are factual, and I can back them up with the popular press. It sucks when the political party you support loses elections. You should have the professionalism it takes to not threaten banning anyone that accurately states that your team lost. It makes you look like a child.


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A consensus has been reached by your peers that you should be an admin. I have made it so. Please review Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list and keep up the great work. Sincerely, Kingturtle (talk) 17:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

It is now the 7th day; you can rest. 718smiley.png upstateNYer 17:10, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Congratulations. - Dank (push to talk) 17:09, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
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ur a frickin retard. why dont u pick on a booger your own size u big fattie moron with a head too small for your body.

i bet u dont eben know 1+1.

get a life —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:14, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Aww, how sweet. Now stop saying Aaron Schock is gay. UpstateNYer | Talk→ 17:17, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
It's 2, and I bet UpstateNYer "eben" knows that. Along with how to spell even.Camelbinky (talk) 21:53, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
Dang, now you know you're an admin! The trolls are already here! KillerChihuahua?!? 22:19, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
1+1=2. Yay! I got it! Let me try 2x+4=12. Hmmm, I don't know, do you??? ZooFari 23:11, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
2,185,348 right?! Ok, now add up all those numbers, take THAT number, add the two digits together and then its the right number.Camelbinky (talk) 03:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
And don't forget:
Nice way of putting it :-) ZooFari 23:18, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Photographer's Barnstar

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Awarded to UpstateNYer for his spiffy photos of historic buildings that have smartened up Central Troy Historic District and the articles about the buildings themselves. Daniel Case (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Really, you improved on my work. Thanks! Have you considered taking that St. Paul's pic to FPC, or QI on Commons? I really think it's that good. Daniel Case (talk) 22:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Oops, just one thing. I went back to the old pic of River Street since that's the section under discussion in the accompanying text, the area that was the old River Street Historic District before the larger district was created. Northern River Street is a separate area outside the Central Troy district. Daniel Case (talk) 04:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea I think it was the caption that "tricked" me, so I updated it to point out that it's the Antique District. Otherwise, I'm glad you liked my updates. Unfortunately, most city buildings will never make an FPC attempt because of the close proximity you must be in to get the shot (note the obvious distortion in the St. Paul's image); plus traffic lights, lamp posts, and wires are a big no-no. But that's not to say that I don't plan on taking a panorama of the inside of St. Paul's, which is one of the most beautiful in the area (I'll let you know when that goes up). I uploaded more images that didn't end up in articles yet. See if you can find a use for them. And thanks again for the barnstar. :-) upstateNYer 05:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of which, in the group of NRHP photos and articles I am currently working through (all from one day, last August 15), I will end up with a bunch of buildings in downtown Albany and the historic districts (Downtown, Pastures and Mansion). Just letting you know.

Also, after your work on Central Troy, I am moved to start the process of both internal and external peer review soon (I'll be emailing a link to the RCHS, and I'd also like to get someone from Troy's Planning Department to look at it), with the goal, of course, of eventual FA status.

Now that it's green again, maybe we could get together at some point for a sort of mini-"Wikis Take the Capital District" event (way down in my pipeline are a lot of Schenectady's listings (City Hall, post office, Proctor's, Union Street, Stockade District etc.) Daniel Case (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I changed this on Commons. Troy's city hall is purposely excluded from the historic district, and it says so explicitly in the application, because it's a newer building (look at the little jog east on the boundary near Monument Square). Daniel Case (talk) 02:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Let me know when you get them up. Out of curiosity, have you contacted historical societies and government offices before to review articles? I had never thought of that. upstateNYer 05:02, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
It will probably be a month or so, if I'm lucky (part of pics from a really long day that went up as far north as Granville via Saratoga and Lake George, then back down to Hoosick Falls before it got too dark to shoot anymore. The Irving Langmuir House, Nott Hall, Lemuel Haynes House, Canfield Casino and Owl's Nest pics all came out of that day (they got to go in right afterwards because they were badly-needed NHL photos).

I submitted Milton Railroad Station to the small non-profit that's raising money for the restoration; they liked it so much they basically link to our article to give all the details (see the xlinks section). The process is called external peer review; I think more people should do it. Daniel Case (talk) 14:26, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

As far as that pic of Monument Square goes, I don't know the photographer, I just grabbed it off Flickr. You might try to make contact. Daniel Case (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Yea, I did; he was invited into the building for a tour from a friend. Not a public building. Maybe I'll stroll in sometime and see if they'll let me up to the roof. upstateNYer 17:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


Began tagging these userfird/sandboxed articles for deletion. Incredibly tedious. Any way to simply get rid of them in one fell swoop?

It would be of great help. Thanks.

Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

If that's the complete list, don't worry about tagging. I'll get them all. upstateNYer 07:50, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Yup... all 63. Wanted to go through them months back and try a merge of content, but such was done by another editor and I simply do not have the time. Too much other stuff to do. No point cluttering up these sandboxes that in all honesty I will likely never be able to get to. Disappointing, but I have to face reality. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:53, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

You have my grateful thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
NP. They'll be gone in a little bit. upstateNYer 07:54, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

 Done If you want User:MichelQSchmidt/sandbox/63 Radio Tales deleted, please tag it. I'm off to bed now. upstateNYer 08:03, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you and have a pleasent night. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:08, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Your opinion requested on...

Would you personally say things like the car races at Lebanon Valley (or whatever the technical term for the "sport" is) and the horse races at Saratoga should make those venues be listed under the sports section or the recreation section? I've started to take apart some of the long lists and make more condensed prose, but not sure where those types of venues belong.Camelbinky (talk) 01:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I would go with sport for both of them. upstateNYer 02:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you great, wise, sage administrator. Or should that be "great, wise, RPI administrator" instead of Sage... Ok, bad college joke... :-) Camelbinky (talk) 02:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
It admittedly made me smirk. upstateNYer 03:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
PS- Just added your CESTM photo to the UA article. I dont think it has been used in an article until now, didnt want it to be lonely.Camelbinky (talk) 03:00, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
Congrats on your GA for the special election article!Camelbinky (talk) 17:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you upstateNYer 19:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

RE:Your edits

Thanks for taking the time to look over my edits, I appreciate it. I think I'll take your advice and open an editor review; see what others think. ƒingersonRoids 20:37, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

FP closing

Hi UpstateNYer, just to point out something I think you may be forgetting while closing nominations. The alternative if promoted should then replace the original in the articles. --Muhammad(talk) 04:20, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

You're completely right; nice catch. Thanks for cleaning up my mess. I think that's the only one. Were there others? :-/ upstateNYer 04:41, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. There was one other, the Pseudatelus sp but I have done that as well. --Muhammad(talk) 05:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested in this-

In case you dont read the Times Union- Camelbinky (talk) 08:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Haha, my father sent that to me yesterday actually. Disappointing though; I love roundabouts. upstateNYer 16:23, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

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Minor issue with the closing I think. Just realised you were from New York State. I have been there for a few weeks (around Binghampton). I remember the thunderstorms and the very green countryside the most. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:01, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. Done in a weird way, but still fixed. So you came half-way around the world to visit New York, and you decided to go to Binghamton? There's nothing there by SUNY. What attracted you? (I almost went to SUNY for college, actually). upstateNYer 05:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I was relatively young and mum had a friend there. We did go around the state a fair bit, and down much of the east coast. My mum had a strong dislike of New York City though, so I haven't been there yet. Noodle snacks (talk) 05:19, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Yea, I'm not the biggest fan either. Place smells like piss; even in winter. Although ground zero is quite moving, and they have the best bagels in the world. Funny how those three things just popped in my mind at the thought of the place. upstateNYer 05:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


I find your behaviour on FPC appalling, you must know after months being on there that certain things will kill a nomination, and not only did you manage to do something that far exceeds all of them, but edit-warred to keep it in, even when everyone else was against you.

I have been involved with featured pictures for years, and have over 70 credits, last I counted. I have no intention of continuing. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 16:35, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Replied at WT:FPC. upstateNYer 17:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the barnstar! Still have a bunch more to put into the table from the list at the bottom, but I try to get at least 5-10 places put into the table a day. There are, so far, three villages that for the life of me I can not find the date they were incorp. as villages, but I'm still looking.Camelbinky (talk) 20:36, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


Careful! ZooFari 20:52, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm, I thought I remembered specifically doing that. Oops; thanks for the catch. upstateNYer 00:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


Hi UpstateNYer. Sorry about the very late response - I've been on an extended wikibreak. Unfortunately, I still haven't figured out a way to un-distort the maps. Perhaps it's because of my inexperience with GIS, or maybe the data I used to make the maps is permanently like that. So I sort of had to give up. Oh well. --Schzmo (talk) 22:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. Thanks for the effort anyway. upstateNYer 00:04, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Featured list

I put List of incorporated places in New York's Capital District up for FL. Hope you can look it over and have comments or do whatever fixes you think are best. I'm encouraged that one editor already has made a constructive comment and I hope I fixed the problem satisfactorily.Camelbinky (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Having not yet looked at the content, you're most likely going to get a comment about the Waterford image. Having the credits in the table itself is distracting will most likely turn reviewers off. If you can't get it to be used without credits immediately by the image, I would say don't use the image. upstateNYer 02:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I dont believe I can use the photo without giving credit. I'll just remove it, next month when I'm in town I can always drive up there and take a very similar photo anyways.Camelbinky (talk) 06:21, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Over time, images from local municipalities will pour in. Of course that time frame could be years, but still. :-) upstateNYer 06:29, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


I specifically said I hadn't done the promotion fully, to try and cut down on the controversy. Given your editwarring forced this move, and given, further, that your treatment of the Guy Mannering nom is at the exact opposite position to your claims that leaving a nom open 14 days was such a disaster that it must be avoided at all costs, I think you don't have a single leg to stand on in your criticism of me. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

There was no edit warring. I did something I thought was good in good faith. I apologized and fixed it. That said, fair is fair; you're too biased and should have just allowed for a completely new renom. Please don't blame me for your feelings on renoms being "guaranteed failures"; that is just life. But a promotion is a promotion. If you're going to do it, do it completely so I wouldn't have to waste my time wading through the mess you left. And to be honest, I've completely ignored your Guy Mannering nom because I don't care to close your noms based on the way I've been treated. You boycott FPC, treat me like crap, I boycott your noms. See how productive things get when you burn the bridges with the people that keep the place clean? upstateNYer 00:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't care when the hell it does get promoted. But you struck out votes at least twice, stating it was because noms were running too long, despite every other person on the talk page being very upset at you for doing so, then smugly said it wasn't your problem, that other people should contact the people whose votes you struck out. If you cannot see that, after such behaviour, leaving a nomination open 11 days and counting makes you look like an utter hypocrite, I'm sorry for you. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:24, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
No, I struck votes out because they were no longer valid, just like here. It had nothing to do with how long the nom ran; it was a renomination and therefore a new nom. The user that renominates a nom is responsible for informing the previous voters that their original vote is no longer valid and that they just need to vote again; therefore it was not my responsibility to inform all the users that voted in four nominations that the nom was up for renom, it was the responsibility of you and Alvesgaspar. You asked Alvesgaspar to perform the same actions you did—which were more than annoying to anyone that closes—and he indicated that he didn't know how. Maybe you shouldn't have asked him? It was a bit irresponsible to ask a user to make their first administrative edits to FPC to make a point. With the Obama example above, I informed the voting parties to revote (or at least those that were not regulars, and may not stumble upon the nom again)—far from hypocritical; it's not like users are too busy to revote, especially since most agree with the outcomes (not promoted), just not the process (overturning consensus). You should have informed all voters that their votes were invalid and that they needed to revote. I can guarantee that none of them would have been promoted and we wouldn't have gone through this bullshit delist process, which has made a mockery of FPC. I'll say this again and again: you're taking this way too personally; you need to step back and see it from an unbiased viewpoint. I'm also not too scared to leave valid and reasonable discussion on my talk page; those moves make you look wholly unreasonable. upstateNYer 00:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

A supermajority votes to support, but most were against their promotion. Riiiight. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 08:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

You're ignoring the main points. I'd appreciate it if you actually addressed them in your responses. upstateNYer 14:16, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Unwatchlisting. This isn't worth it. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Apparently not, because you don't address any of the substantive issues; you merely complain about your own noms and are making things way too personal. upstateNYer 17:07, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Admin Commons

Hey UpstateNYer. Are you an admin at Commons? ZooFari 22:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Nope, only here. upstateNYer 22:55, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
Okay, just needed a trusted admin to change my license template :-) ZooFari 23:08, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


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FPC closures

Recently I joined the boycott of FPC and requested that you step down from closing nominations. At the time when I did so I had five open candidates, two of which have since been closed and both of which were closed by you. In good faith I would like to suppose that you are doing this in an attempt to demonstrate fairness, but as our prior discussion concluded you created the distinct impression of rather aggressively disregarding my opinions and reasoning. I have over two hundred featured pictures and have no urgent need for more; it would be more circumspect to extend respect. DurovaCharge! 04:50, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

One should extend respect if asking for it. I will still close FPCs; your wild and unfounded rants about my closures have not affected my day-to-day operations here. But what does it matter? You're now boycotting, which means all this will be moot quite soon anyway. upstateNYer 04:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

A less hyperbolic reply would be more productive. Note the following:

  1. You closed a nomination that had unanimous support without promotion.
  2. The sole objection was about artificiality of color, from a reviewer who supported without understanding that it was an artificial color process.
  3. The sole weak support was an echo of the misunderstanding.
  4. A second edit with adjusted colors was acceptable to everyone.
  5. Your closure note echoed the color issue as a reason for not promoting.
  6. Upon later discussion, your first response was a qualitative esthetic judgment.
  7. After I pointed out that closer esthetics should never overrule unanimous support, you changed your story.
  8. You allowed one extra week, during the same time when another candidacy was held open four extra weeks.
  9. No credible explanation has been forthcoming for that discrepancy, or for the urgency of rejecting a unanimously supported nomination.
  10. Your decision hinges on counting the sole weak support as a half opinion. If any discretion were warranted, it would be to count that as a full support on the basis that the editor who had first raised the matter had been completely satisfied.

Now I don't very much care about one more FP per se, which was why I didn't raise this at the time although it's disappointing to see the limited supply of African historic material wasted this way: countering systemic bias is difficult even when the process is fair. But the specific thing that lost my trust was to see how you shifted ground. It's doubtful the four examples I provided upon your requests were ever read: your later post miscounted them as three examples. The inconsistencies in closures at that process are blatant to a degree that would not have been tolerated this long anywhere else, and you appear more interested in name calling than in winning back the trust of the two prolific contributors who finally resorted to boycotting. DurovaCharge! 05:29, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

3.5 supports is less than 4. I would have been happy to promote the edit; but note how nobody ever voted for the edit. I'm no mind reader. I don't care to regain your trust; I lost any inclination when you falsely accused me of gaming the system. Your entire response above is about one nom (as I said before, the greyest of the grey), which others have indicated was closed correctly. And you only gave three examples previously; this first showed up here from what I can tell. You're acting hysterical and are so wrapped up in bias and POV that you can no longer breathe fresh, fair, non-judgmental air. But again, moot point: you will have no more FPCs going in a few days anyway. upstateNYer 05:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

This is interesting. You still have no answer to why you allowed only one-quarter the extension that a different image was being given, you refuse to acknowledge that your rationales have changed, and you're substituting another ad hominem attack for rational discussion.

If you hadn't noticed, these last few months we have had several new nominators at FPC who were doing similar work to Shoemaker's Holiday and myself. Most of them have left the process; while I was urging them to stay we had offsite discussions about the erratic closures. At that time I tried to make excuses for what was happening at FPC. Enough is enough; per this conversation I am withdrawing all existing FPC nominations. Please reconsider your course of action while people are still willing to return. DurovaCharge! 16:09, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I have received 4 emails now of support from various FPC regulars telling me that I need to "stay the course", ignore your "hysterical bantering", and offering me praise for my "thick skin" when it comes to your "unwarranted and untimely attacks". Many are as baffled with you as I am. Granted they would prefer not to get in any altercations, and rightly so; it's just that you outright attacked me, so I had to at least respond. I still can't believe, though, that you're so upset about a nom that had 2.5S at more than 7 days. I was nice enough to leave it open for you another 7 days, in which time you only got one more S. I assume if you got an O after that S you'd be complaining that I only left it open so the closing cabal could win against your nom. You argue the point that suits you best at the time. upstateNYer 17:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)


If I might say a little more: You are not allowed to do what you did on WT:FPC, people have been blocked for doing that sort of thing in the past. It violates WP:TALK. People get blocked for that sort of thing. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:40, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe outsiders will see this as a ridiculous way of trying to "get me" for your disagreement with me in our discussions. Like I say at the page, I could have just copy and pasted this myself. Maybe you gave me a good idea: that that discussion should be made public to other members. It's not the case, but it's my right, just as it was yours. This is a ridiculous step SH, you're just being spiteful now. upstateNYer 20:46, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Fw: Signature size

About the matter of my signature, I have been discussing this with other editors also, and don´t worry, just before you posted, I came up with the acknowledge with other editors to change my sign. I wasn´t aware that my typeface (french script) was missing in some user´s computers, I just took it from the wikipedia´s list of typefaces. Anyway, It won´t take me much to make another one (less than a month, while I finish some other unfinished business here). If you find very annoying my sign in some specific section or article or discussion, feel free to shrink it manually or tell me to do it.
By the way, I was sightseeing your user space, and I found out that I should give you this:

Barnstar-camera.png Photographers Ribbon.png - The High-level Photographer's Barnstar - Silver wiki ribbon.png
I award you this upgraded-class barnstar for your astounding-quality pictures that you have taken, not only because they are prettier than others, but also, because of the excellent choice for the angle, accurate exposure and high resolution, expected from a distinguished photographer. Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . --  20:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I think some of them may become nominates for WP:FIC under the appropriate development
p.s. The signature inside the award is given by "~~~", so the size was predetermined, so fell free to change it. - Damërung ...ÏìíÏ..._ΞΞΞ_ . --  20:28, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the barnstar. And fair enough on the sig; just do it sometime soon. It's quite large. :-) upstateNYer 20:36, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Picture request (should be easy)

Can you get a pic of the half of the cottage at Springside that's on the fifth floor at the state museum? That's the only pic that article needs; in fact it's the only thing the article needs, period. If I can get it I'm looking to start the PR/GA process. Daniel Case (talk) 21:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I need to get my ass to the state museum anyway. Haven't been down there in a long time. Will let you know when I get it. upstateNYer 22:59, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

List of school districts

Now that the the municipality list is done, I'm going to start the school district one. If you want to give me some column headings that should be included I can make sure I get those in. There obviously is limited space, but I was thinking for columns to cover the district name, which BOCES they are in, the towns/cities covered by the district, and type of district (central, city, enlarged city, union free, etc). I'll wait to make the table until I get your suggestions and then show you a proto-type in a sandbox first for your approval before making the article.Camelbinky (talk) 21:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, being that specific will be difficult, but if you're up for it, then I'd say go for it. The mainly difficult part will be the towns/cities covered by the district. For example, the district I went to covers Brunswick, Pittstown, Grafton, and Poestenkill, but there are also like 5 houses (literally) in Schagticoke that are in the district too (that map isn't clear enough to show those minor issues). BOCES is necessary, as is the type of district. Let me know when u get the sandbox done. upstateNYer 21:26, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Would putting the counties the district is in be of any use instead of the towns? With only three columns a table is going to look a little skimpy. If a county column would be useful (and I'm not so sure it would be) that would give a fourth column, and I was thinking maybe a fifth for listing schools in the school district, and maybe even a sixth for the enrollment numbers?Camelbinky (talk) 21:55, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Counties may be a better idea. Schools would work too. Only problem with enrollment is that it changes every year and you're talking about updating 50+ districts every year. :-( Not even sure a bot could do that reliably. upstateNYer 21:59, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Here's the heading for the table so far, with enrollment included. Yeah I hadnt thought about the fact there were so many schools that would need to be updated so often. Though once the new census comes out I (or someone else) will have to update 13 cities, 143 towns, and 64 villages in the municipality list (and all of wikipedia will probably see a huge amount of activity with all the census info changing and demographics for all the city articles out there). So if I can update over 200 every ten years, I'm willing to give it a try at updating 50 every year. Maybe put a note on the column heading (estimate for 2008) and just update every other year?Camelbinky (talk) 22:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Heh, good point. This will be WP's first US census to deal with in real time. Will be interesting to see how it goes... Header looks good. I made one change. Otherwise fine. upstateNYer 23:01, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Oh! Duh! What about an image column? I'd say the same percentage of school districts have photos as incorporated places. upstateNYer 23:43, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
Yea! I didnt even think of that even though I was just looking at the Albany High photo in the school section of the CapDis article! I'll add the column and make it an unsortable column (images cant be sorted anyways by a sortable table).Camelbinky (talk) 00:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I just realized something- since the school districts are in more than one county, when the county column is sorted alphabetically it will only do so for the first county in each cell. So all the ones with Albany County, Rensselaer County, etc etc as the first county listed will be together but any with a second county name it will be lumped together with only the first county listed, no one will be able to "ask" "what school districts are in Albany County" and see all the Albany County ones listed together... Four possible solutions I have come up with are: to have 11 separate tables, one for each county; just drop the county column altogher; have a column for the county in which the main part of the school district is in, and a second unsortable column for additional counties; or instead of county columns just have footnotes attached to each school district name [1] Albany County [2] Rensselaer County etc. so that a school just in Albany County like North Colonie would be shown as North Colonie[1] and a school that is in both Saratoga and Washington counties like Schuylerville would be Schuylerville[5][6]. Camelbinky (talk) 02:08, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Wandering glider

Hey, Before this nom closes, I thought I could drop you a line about the vote count. As it is now, there are 6.5 supports and 3 oppose + 1 oppose from what seems to be a non-credible user/puppet. IMO it is a promote. Your view? --Muhammad(talk) 10:39, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Don't see why not. The supports seems to go down the balance scale IMO, so I think it should be promoted. ZooFari 15:37, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
With that oppose, you're at 62% S, without it, you're at 68%; but it has to be given some weight. You're >< this close to passing, but you have another 25 hrs before it closes. Think you can grab another support somewhere? If you don't, I won't close it; I'll let MER-C do it. upstateNYer 16:52, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
I don't know about another support, but if you dont close it, could you perhaps live MER-C a note about it? I don't think it should be considered because apart from a single previous pile on support, this is the user's first vote. The comment seems kinda lame and the timing fishy. --Muhammad(talk) 17:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Would have preferred the nom stay open for Fir to reply as I had provided valid arguments --Muhammad(talk) 04:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Looking into it. No more votes, but if his changes, I'll pass it. upstateNYer 04:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Note. No change in votes; still no consensus. upstateNYer 20:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

re: Realization

Wow is right! Just motivates me more to get it to GA or FA status. New goal I'm setting for myself- get the article to GA status by the one year anniversary of that old edition you picked out, I think it was the way the article was on Aug 18, 2008. I changed to prose the museum list yesterday and hope to get the performing arts list done today. Then if I have time get started on the enrollment numbers for the list of schools article.Camelbinky (talk) 21:10, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


Hey UpstateNYer, are you online right now? ZooFari 06:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Never mind,  Done. I made 2 version for you to decide at your desire.
Tyron and Saratoga were switched around to make the long lines shorter.
Let me know if you'd like me to modify anything (I want it to be perfect, since you mentioned something about FA above). ZooFari 07:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the second is better. I will need some changes made once Camelbinky and I figure out exactly what we want. For one, we're going to add the incorporation dates below the names (smaller font size should be sufficient). Also, as noted below, there's a change that Camelbinky proposed due to the fact that one of the counties came from both Albany and Ulster counties. I guess you could begin working on those changes now if you'd like; almost all the dates are listed in the table in the section below. upstateNYer 17:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Oh and just so you know, I requested deletion of the first one here (since it will never be used). Just FYI. upstateNYer 17:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Deleting my picture

Edit 2, which I uploaded TODAY, has not had one single opinion. I propose that the picture stays there for at least a week. Also, what is the % of consensus to be premoted. Is it 75%? I am confident that if given a week, or even a half, that it will suceed. AndrewrpTally-ho! 20:53, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

67% is the current value needed to pass. I'll give it a few more days because of the new edit, but 7 is a bit extreme. Don't forget, the consensus has to be for one of them though, so past voters may want to update their votes to signify which version they prefer (i.e. you may want to leave a message to all voters to note the new addition). Also, have you considered telling the author about the nomination? I'm surprised he hasn't voted. Next time, feel free to bring up this issue with me; as you can see, a compromise can always be made. upstateNYer 21:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

In need of your mentorship


I need help from an experienced Wikipedian, and I saw your name over at WP:ADOPT.

I need your advice concerning WP:WPOOK, which I've been coordinating. The set of pages the project concerns is listed at Portal:Contents/Outline of knowledge and Wikipedia:WikiProject Outline of knowledge#Projected outline, and has grown to about 500 articles in the encyclopedia.

The goals of the WikiProject are:

  1. Increase awareness of readers of the existence of the outlines on Wikipedia
  2. Complete the existing outlines
  3. Create an outline for every subject that is exensive enough to benefit from having an outline (core subjects and major or extensive fields). There are thousands of these.
  4. Recruit as many editors to work on these as possible (we need thousands of editors working on these)
  5. Surpass portals in number by the end of the summer, and leave them in the dust by the end of the year
  6. Get the major outline subject areas displayed on the Main Page (in place of or in addition to the portal links at the top of the page)
  7. Increase the OOK to higher quality than Britannica's Outline of Knowledge (published in its Propaedia volume).

I was hoping you could comment on how to achieve the goals above.

Also I'm interested in every possible way of reaching readers and editors of Wikipedia. How can I get the most eyes and typing fingers on Wikipedia's outlines? Contacting editors directly without a reason relevant to them is spam, which I'd like to avoid. There are 75,000 regular editors on Wikipedia, and I want to contact all of them. So how do I do it? Directly or indirectly, I don't care which, piecemeal or all-at-once, all methods are fine with me. But I've got to find ways. I need your help.

I would also like to know how to find or attract editors to create new outlines. And I need advice on finding editors to help write the new outline article mentioned above (it needs to be fleshed out, completely referenced, and brought to featured article status).

Can you recommend anyone in particular who might be interested in sinking their teeth into a project like this? Or ways to reach groups of editors? Or ways to reach all editors? I welcome any and all advice you might have.

I look forward to your reply on my talk page.

The Transhumanist 03:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

RE: For you...

Hey, I really appreciate that, what a surprise! Thank you for being so thoughtful, :-) Maedin\talk 07:09, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Graphic Lab


Hey UpstateNYer. Here is the second one. It was one of my toughest vectorizations, but I was happy to vectorize this, as I learned many things as I was converting. How is it? Let me know if you'd like modifications. ZooFari 03:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

[3] upstateNYer 04:16, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Next one done. ZooFari 23:47, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Cathedral of All Saints

UpstateNYer, thanks for adding images. Bearian (talk) 18:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar-camera.png The Photographer's Barnstar
For creating and adding images to Cathedral of All Saints and other Capital District articles. Bearian (talk) 18:39, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
No problem; and Face-smile.svg Thank you upstateNYer 19:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

References and changes best bet is to go to page 155 which begins the Albany County section, though looking at each county's section brings more in depth info. Three changes that I meant to make and that probably should be made to the new image if its not too late are that instead of Tryon being shown as a former county it should be shown as being the name of Montgomery prior to 1784 (and therefore Fulton and Otsego formed from Montgomery and not when it was named Tryon) and Charlotte was the name of Washington County prior to 1784 (and therefore Warren County formed from Washington in 1813 and not from when the name was Charlotte). This would eliminate the need for notation of "Former county in the Capital District". The third change is that Greene County should be moved over to the right side so that it can be something like this:

                   Albany                         Ulster
                     |                              |
                     +--+---------------+-----+     |
                        |               |     +--+--+
                 Tryon (Montgomery)     |        |   
                       |                |     Greene  
                 +-----+---+            |
                 |         |            |
              Fulton     Otsego         |
                           |            |

in order to show that Greene was a combination of area taken from Albany and Ulster (both were original counties) with Ulster given the notation of being a county today outside the Capital District like Otsego. Dates are: Albany (original county) 1683, Tryon (Montgomery) and Charlotte (Washington) both 1772, Columbia 1786, Rensselaer and Saratoga both 1791, Schoharie 1795, Greene 1800, Schenectady 1809, Warren 1813, Fulton 1838. Otsego 1791 from Montgomery and Ulster orginal county 1683. A disclaimer may be wanted that says to the effect that the table is only representing counties in the Capital District and does not represent EVERY county descended from the original Albany County. We can make a table that represents all those counties, but it would be a big table, every upstate county west and north of Ulster County.Camelbinky (talk) 13:52, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't think ZooFari will have a problem updating. A couple things: Why don't we split Tryon (Montgomery) and Charlotte (Washington) so it's clear that one superseded the other. See my sketch below. Also, we'll need the years for Montgomery and Washington (when they superseded their predecessors). I also created a table with all the years. Double check that they're correct, so ZooFari can use them when he updates the image; fill in the blanks (****). Let me know what you think and I'll toss the honors back over to ZooFari. And the reference looks good; I added it to all the images. upstateNYer 17:17, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
                   Albany                         Ulster
                   1683                            1683
                     |                              |
                     +--+---------------+-----+     |
                        |               |     +--+--+
                      Tryon             |        |   
                       1772             |        |
                       |                |     Greene  
                   Montgomery           |      1800
                     1784               |
                 +-----+---+            |
                 |         |            |
              Fulton     Otsego         |
               1838       1791          |
                           |            |
Albany Schenectady Charlotte
Columbia Saratoga Rensselaer Tryon
Greene Warren Fulton Otsego Schoharie Ulster
1683 1809 1772 (1784) 1786 1791 1791 1772 (1784) 1800 1813 1838 1791 1795 1683
Looks great to me, I added the years for Montg., Wash., and Ulster. I cant think of any other changes that are needed. Let me know if there are any other issues or questions. Thank you alot for the professional table.Camelbinky (talk) 23:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Dates added.
Alright, I've already added the dates as requested. I'm not sure what other changes you need, so you can summarize once both have figured the proposal. Anything else for now? ZooFari 00:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, it looks like we need Montgomery below Tryon, branching into Fulton and Otsego, and Washington below Charlotte and above Warren. See the sketch just above the table for how we want it. Move Greene County off to the right showing it was also made from Ulster. Ulster gets a ‡. There's a lot of dead space, so the legend (*, †, ‡) can have a larger font. Let me know if you have questions. upstateNYer 02:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, but let me give you my legend tip. Are you sure you want it larger? The legend usually stays smaller than the rest of the content, or can be made bigger but enclosed in a template box. Having it larger may be confusing and blend in with the other content. Just my 2 cents, let me know what you think. ZooFari 20:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
All good points. How about we make the legend font a bit bigger, but place in a box (how about the box has a very light gray fill—subtle—and no border). I'd like the text to all be readable in the article without having to worry about the wiki compiling the text looking weird because it's so small. upstateNYer 21:18, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay. I got some of it done, but have one more question. Are you saying you want Washington in between Warren and Charlotte? ZooFari 22:23, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, sir. upstateNYer 22:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
How's that? I still need to add the additional, so I will go ahead and do that now. Let me know if it's okay so far :-) ZooFari 22:37, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Make the box darker. Possibly #D3D3D3 or even a bit darker. upstateNYer 22:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't seem to fit Ulster in there. Is that the only data that will be included? ZooFari 23:24, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
You can make the Ulster font the same as any other font (i.e. not Albany's) and just push it above the line that's already there (I'm okay with it not being, say, inline, with all the other lines and off to the left.). See what you can do and upload something. I'll let you know how it looks. And again → Face-smile.svg Thank you upstateNYer 03:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
What line are you referring to? ZooFari 03:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
There is also more space for a legend, not sure if that would be convenient though. ZooFari 03:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
The top line, under "Albany". Show me what you think I mean, and I'll let you know if that's what I meant. I think that's the only way to confirm. :-) upstateNYer 03:57, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
There is also this way, or something similar to that. ZooFari 04:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Central Troy Historic District peer review

I just started this ... the guy from the city planning department who reviewed it emailed me that he loved it; it captured everything about downtown Troy. I have two of the Wikipedia Four already (started the article, got a DYK out of it); I think the other two will come easily. (And I did credit you for the improved pics. Daniel Case (talk) 06:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Excellent! Good luck. And thanks for the shout out. Would you mind sharing that email with me? I'm interested in what he said. If not, nbd. upstateNYer 15:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

NYCD Climate chart

Per your suggestion I changed the table to a chart. Would like to know if it looks ok in that position. Will do the same at the Albany article as well.Camelbinky (talk)

Placement in both articles is fine. Do you like this version better? I do. upstateNYer 21:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I like the type of chart it is over the table format that preceeded it, but wish it wasnt so big because it encroaches on the topic after it. Which is more a fault of the paragraph in the article section not being longer than it being an issue with the chart itself. When I get the time I'll do some research on the weather of the area and maybe fill up the section a little to match the length of the chart. Of course it could just be an issue of the size of my browser window and not everyone will be seeing the difference issue I'm seeing...Camelbinky (talk) 22:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
It is longer than the section, even with the small resolution of my laptop. But it doesn't seem to negatively affect images below it really. upstateNYer 22:34, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Something interesting

I dont know if this would count as a reliable source as it ultimately is a forum, though I wonder if the fact that, in its own words, it is "articles written by international architects as they critique new designs and showcase research papers on contemporary issues in architecture", the particular "article" I am interested in using (if at all possible) is cited with references. It has alot of interesting ideas and puts the Empire State Plaza in a totally different light, calling the Empire State Plaza a "monument to democracy" is a unique perspective and could be a useful addition to the Empire State Plaza article. Plus it has interesting history of the selection and design of the ESP (much of which is not in the wikipedia article), I'm sure there are other sources with the same info, but it would be easier to take it from this source, if you think it is OK to use, since some of the sources in the "work cited" section on the webpage probably arent available online for easy reference.Camelbinky (talk) 05:37, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Fascinating, definitely. But it's basically a blog and won't pass WP:V. I looked up some of the sources, and even amazon had never heard of a couple of them. Maybe they were locally-printed pamphlets or something? upstateNYer 15:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


...So, you're fine with reopening nominations and not striking the original votes now, so long as you're the one doing it. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Completely different situations. Your situation was images that had already been closed and those closures were questioned by the community, and you reopened them—some of them a month later—as if they could continue as the same nom; obviously starting them over was the right call. This was a closure that the nominator immediately raised an issue about, which I questioned. Then I was asked nicely to reopen it for a valid reason (new edit), which is completely reasonable. Reasonable, civil, and mature editing will lead to reasonable, civil, and mature responses (golden rule). Had this user bantered me with accusations and attacks, I would not have responded so helpfully. upstateNYer 23:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Albany County tree map

I was thinking something more like this

Okay, I updated the image with Ulster in it. Is that what you were talking about? ZooFari 23:22, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

And just in case you didn't see my post above, there is also this way, or something similar to that. ZooFari 23:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I really like the second one (with the shading) but I fear that it makes it seem like Greene only came from Ulster. What if Greene is move all the way to the right and branched off separately, like in that last sketch? upstateNYer 23:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
If I branch it as you mentioned, it then would look isolated from Albany and seem more like it was made only by Ulster. Maybe the following suggestions?:
    • Overlap the shading
    • Keep shading as is, but remove Albany and Ulster titles and use them in the legend
    • Somehow specify it somewhere
I tried to think of ways, but just can't seem to get them straight. Maybe I'm understanding your way differently? ZooFari 23:44, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
See example. Know what I mean? upstateNYer 23:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Ewww now you're talking! :-) I updated the image with the shading. How is that? If yes, do you want the shading in the legend as is (I don't think it is necessary, as they are obviously already labeled)?
Awesome. Drop the shading from the legend and use 90° corners for the legend. Drop the word "County" after Albany and Ulster (it's redundant and will save space after Ulster) and center "Ulster", its date, and the shading over the line. Then upload over the version that's in the article. I'll request the other versions are deleted from an admin at Commons. Looks great; thanks again for the help. upstateNYer 00:25, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay! If you mentioned all the issues, then it is all done! Anything else? Also, you can now delete the old shaded version image (it was uploaded here at Wikipedia). ZooFari 00:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, sir. As always, your vector skills are great and your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks so much for all the vector work you do for me. upstateNYer 00:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You're very welcome, and thanks for your comments. And as always, feel free to make further requests without hesitation. Cheers, ZooFari 00:44, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Hehe, pardon my Gramerr, Mr. Eagle who has wider eyes then me :-D ZooFari 00:55, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
its/it's and your/you're = two of my pet peeves ;-) upstateNYer 00:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)


I just wanted to say that in my time at FPC (which, admittedly, is not as long as many others), I've never had a complaint about you. Indeed, I think you and MER-C do a great job. So, keep up the good work! Makeemlighter (talk) 06:39, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg Thank you and I'll try my best to minimize the drama. ;-) upstateNYer 06:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Museums may give us low res pictures but keep the high res pictures

You doubt that museums and archives will give us material. It is possible to collaborate with them but they will invariably want to give the kind of quality that we got from the Bundesarchiv. They keep the high res pictures for reasons that are valid to them. It is exactly the featured pictures that opens the door to getting high resolution pictures.

I have talked to several museums. I know. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 06:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't doubt that places of learning will offer us images; in fact I respect those doing such things and the users making the requests. I just question whether VP actually harms the process of asking for donations. I highly doubt that many—if any—donating group knows the background of all the "-pictures/images" projects that any wiki or Commons has. Doubtful that anybody sits them down and says, "Well, you could end up on the main page, but you may instead only make it on the main page of Commons, since the community at en:wiki may not like your images." You can't promise these outside sources that they'll end up on the Main Page because nobody can predict whether an FPC will pass or not. I find it a bit irresponsible to make promises one can't keep; I'm not saying users are doing that, but users should at least be truthful with those they're trying to persuade. Do you disagree with that? upstateNYer 07:45, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
"Places of learning" ?? Any way, This "valued picture" list is used as an argument not to consider historical material because it does not qualify the ideas of quality that make sense for digital images. Consequently "valued pictures" is used as an excuse to exclude them. The archives I have spoken to are showing an interest in providing high resolution, high quality images for restoration with the explicit idea that they have a chance of featuring on the main page. This makes sense to them because it demonstrates that they have a positive attitude to making their material available and it helps promote the notion that they need funding to maintain their collection because of their social and cultural relevance.
I can promise them that some pictures will be restored particularly when it is one of the restorationists who asks for a particular picture in hi res. The restorationist can put a picture forward as a featured picture candidate when done. And it has been the practice that such pictures feature. As the "valued picture" provides no material benefit, the only thing it does is provide an excuse to exclude pictures from being featured and as such it should be closed. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 06:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, places of learning: like schools, universities, museums, libraries, you know, where one goes to learn more about life and other subjects, which may hold the rights to many photographs..? But what this comes down to is my questioning of the negotiation process. Do you actually inform possible donors of all the "-image/picture" projects that exist at Commons or any given language Wikipedia? If you want donations, I doubt it. Do you tell them that their images may never actually make it to the main page because they could easily be shot down at the community-led process known as FPC? Commons has FP, VI, QI; en:wiki has FP and VP. That's 5 projects, only one of which makes it to the main page of en:wiki. What I'm saying is that selling an image repository solely on en:wiki main page glory is misleading and irresponsible; hell, they may only end up on the main page of es:wiki. There is no guarantee that any image will be elected as an FP at en:wiki, and therefore may never end up on the main page. See what I'm saying? You're welcome, upstateNYer 08:01, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Graphic Lab

Hey UpstateNYer. I have now finished the last WH map. I'm sorry I kept you waiting, but as you can see, there are many situations going on in this encyclopedia. So anyways, how is that? Anymore modifications for the 4 of them? ZooFari 06:55, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Architecture section

Ive started an architecture subsection of a "Cityscape" section on the Capital District page. Would love any suggestions on photos to include and any prose you can write, since with all the photos you have taken from Schenectady to Troy and inbetween you are probably close to an expert on CD architecture!Camelbinky (talk) 23:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

On an architecturally-related note- thought you might be interested in reading this if you have time, written by the president of the Albany Chamber of Commerce in 1919 encouraging Albanians to protest the location of the State Office Building that we today call the Alfred E. Smith State Office Building, which at this point in 1919 was originally proposed to be built where we now have Capitol Park West, so when he is protesting the State Office Building location he is actually protesting putting it where the park is today and not the current location across Swan Street. His proposal for a site is interesting and I find it fun to think of what Albany may have looked like if it had been done his way and how it might have impacted the Empire State Plaza over 50 years later.Camelbinky (talk) 01:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I've added some info to the architecture section and put in one of your photos (at least I think it was yours) of some rowhouses on Fifth Ave. in Troy, three of the four buildings are brownstones so I thought it was the best photo to represent that style which is, in my opinion, one of the most important styles in the area.Camelbinky (talk) 21:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the credit, but that's Daniel Case's. As for the section, it looks good at quick glance. I don't really understand the head section title "Cityscape". I think we need to figure out something better/more descriptive. I'm gonna do a full read-over soon - I promise. No guarantees when though! :-) upstateNYer 04:14, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Also, that image of St. Peter's is pretty bad, both before and after I tried to fix it. I would suggest picking a different church until a better photo can be added. I would suggest not using either of my images of the Cathedral of All Saints. They didn't come out all that well. Pick a random one for now; it doesn't really matter. upstateNYer 04:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Cityscape seems to be the name preferred for city article sections on that type of info, it is in the FA article New York City dealing with architecture, parks, etc., it can also be found on Chicago and Los Angeles and was recommended to be created for the Albany, New York article in the failed FA nomination it went through long ago (and is still in the to-do box on the talk page). I've been, perhaps wrongly, basing this article as if it is on one REALLY large city (geographically speaking). Perhaps you can think of a better name than cityscape but that conveys the same meaning on a regional view. I'm still trying to expand the architecture section, but I cant find online sources describing the architecture of Schenectady for some reason but for Troy there are LOTS of online sources and I really dont want the section to be just about Albany and Troy. Wow you have high standards if you dont think the Cathedral photos were good! Dont be so hard on yourself, you'll go crazy, I would think its a hard location to get a good photo of since its surrounded by more dominating buildings.Camelbinky (talk) 05:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
I havent found any good photos of a place of worship for the Religion section yet will probably just use the First Church of Albany photo but in my opinion its been plastered around everywhere as it is. I'll be posting requests for some churches I know of that, in my opinion are quite beautiful, but unfortunately dont have an article, so I dont know if you want me to post my requests now or wait until I have time to make the articles. One of the things I plan on doing when getting back to Albany in a week from tomorrow is to hit up as many of the churches in the area and see what notable things I can find. If you are already putting St. Peter's on your list of places to take a photo of in order to replace the current photo could you see if you have time to go inside and take a photo of the floor, should be just as you enter (I'm not to big on church vocab, perhaps vestibule?) is a slab marking the spot where Lord Howe is buried, he is the only British lord buried in the United States and I think that would be beneficial to have a photo of. I would love for synagogues to have photos too but unfortunately other than the Reform temple in Troy, the orthodox temple in Troy, and the temple in Saratoga Springs (reform?) they arent exactly architecturally anything special, though I will need to get you coords for a former temple (today an Episcopal church? will have to look into that) in the Center Square neighborhood right next to ESP that I would like to request.Camelbinky (talk)
I tried taking a photo of St. Peter's, but it's (unfortunately) one of those buildings that you can't actually take a good photo without too much stuff in the way. Head on (from across State Street), there's a large tree in the way. From kitty corner, all you see is traffic lights in the way. Take the photo from too close, and you get the distortion that occurred in the image I tried to fix. I did get a couple new ones of Cathedral of All Saints, but one has a lot of blown whites because the sun was in the eye of the lens, unfortunately (I need to start getting over there earlier in the day). upstateNYer 05:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Yea, I was actually down in Albany today looking for things I would want a photo of and noticed that same problem. I'm charging my new camera right now and hope I can take half-way decent shots of some places around here to be place holders until you or someone else gets better ones. There's a lot things that I wish had photos in their articles. BTW the little edit war on Albany is annoying, even though I personally like the old photo I support your side and recommend just ignoring the anon as a disruption unless actual signed up users comment that they agree that the old photo is better. The anon's comment calling you a "spammer" was over the line and I cant be on the same side with someone like that! Camelbinky (talk) 02:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Awesome, thanks! Also, good to see that you changed your sig back. ;) –Juliancolton | Talk 20:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Maybe

Sorry for creating too many sections (feel free to remove them) but just in case you didn't see this. I was able to vector it! Just need a reply ASAP (non-free image is orphaned). ZooFari 15:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You were right, I wasn't watching your talk close enough. :-) I can't believe how good that came out. It's now in the article. Nicely done, once again! upstateNYer 17:43, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Great! BTW, forgot to sign here. ZooFari 20:41, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Damn, you're good at catching that. upstateNYer 20:44, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Holocaust museum image

Thanks. I don't use Commons much, mainly because I never could get used to it. Don't know why, really...guess I'm just set in my ways. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 01:39, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea, understandable. Now the image is available to all the WMF projects. upstateNYer 03:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

School No. 6

If you have JavaScript enabled, it's here, at the state's page for these things. Daniel Case (talk) 20:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's really annoying. A pdf would be much better. Think they're making it all too difficult with the whole javascript thing. Thanks for the source, though. upstateNYer 21:08, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
What I suspect happened is that SHPO got a lot of money to digitize this in the late 1990s, before PDFs were widely used, when the technology was still proprietary. So they used this JavaScript based thing instead.

Meanwhile, while they were getting it online, PDFs became popular and widespread, but they'd already spent too much money to go back. And now that NPS is (supposedly) doing ti for them, why should they do it themselves? Of course, this does go faster and is a little easier to look up than PDFfocus. Daniel Case (talk) 02:57, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Addendum: Which browser are you using? It looks best on my computer in Safari, but sometimes IE has a larger window, too. Daniel Case (talk) 02:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
I have a Mac, so naturally I use Safari. :-) I was able to make it into a pdf using the function in print that is standard with Macs. At first, I thought they made it so you couldn't do that (some, but very few, programs do that for copyright worries/reasons), but I was able to, so I'm able to read the pdf now, which is much better. upstateNYer 03:03, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
UpstateNYer, this might be of some interest- concerning that school it probably will be reprinted in the Record tomorrow, its one of the annoying things I dont like about the Record, they have a sharing agreement with the TU alot of stories will be printed in the TU and copied by the Record that same day or day later, and I hear that the Record does not keep their stories archived very long online like the TU does. Camelbinky (talk) 21:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Just what I was looking for. Thanks. upstateNYer 23:54, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

OK, just looking at these quickly ... Generally we use the listing name in the nrhp infobox rather than any more common local name, even if the latter has been used for the article title. Also, the NRHP apps should have an author credit and date — they're in there; depending on the era in which the documents were written it may either be on the front page or very deep in. The usual format for NRHP noms tends to be descriptive stuff about the property first, then a break in which there's some more form stuff, sometimes with useful information like acreage of a property or historic district or a breakdown of property types and whether they're contributing or not, then a narrative "statement of significance" which gives the relevant local history, specific property history and should explain at some point what its historical importance is. Older apps, which are usually shorter, sometimes give this information in the middle; apps from around 1980 or so use the front page; then in the mid-80s they revert to the middle and finally more recent ones make you go all the way to the end.

Also, the publisher of record for these is not the NPS, it's the New York State Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation. Daniel Case (talk) 02:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

As another rule I generally don't take pictures of the NRHP plaque ... they look pretty much the same on every property. Or any other historic indicators, unless they're relevant to the article (and there are copyright issues with non-federal ones, too). The interior pic you took for the Little Red Schoolhouse is much more relevant, and should probably be in the text and not a gallery. Daniel Case (talk) 02:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't realize you responded here. Thanks for the NPS→NYSOPRHP correction. I found the Garfield history to be absolutely fascinating (it was much more thorough than the LRSH one, which was unfortunately somewhat bare compared to it), as it was just the historical account I had been looking for for Brunswick Central School District[5]. I think I found the authors for both documents. One of them I know, and assume she filed the documentation. I do still have one question though: these are the applications for NRHP listing, right? Once signed, are they then considered the listing and no longer the application? I guess I expect to see a filing from either NPS or NYSOPRHP that is written (or at least reformatted with the same information) by them, making it more official and more of a statement, rather than a request. Know what I mean? upstateNYer 05:31, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
They're the applications (that's why you see that somewhat argumentative tone sometimes). What makes it official is when they announce it in the Federal Register (and on the NRHP website every Friday). That's when they give it a number and officially put it on the list. Daniel Case (talk) 07:15, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Anonymous votes/comments disregarded

Hi, i checked out, to be sure, about anonymous votes being disregarded per our discussion at the valued pictures MFD. See this discussion and Wikipedia:Guide to deletion#Discussion. Basically this should never be the case. Not in deletion discussions at least. I also saw that you were an admin, so "welcome to the real world" :) and do take anonymous comments into account when closing discussions. Garion96 (talk) 17:54, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

That comment was meant to refer to FPC discussions. We don't take IP votes into account; it's just our way of doing things. It makes sense though: our population is low, so a couple (sock) IP votes could end up swaying a nom in either direction. I assumed (wrongly) that this applied everywhere (except for AfD or PROD, namely because many defenders there are IPs). I might be an admin, but my role as an admin is mainly to work with images and files; you'll note I have yet to close an AfD or MfD, and most likely won't any time soon (they bore me). I always read up before I make an admin action, which is why I do mostly image work: because I know it, and it interests me. upstateNYer 19:04, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


If you aren't too busy there are a few FPC noms sitting at pretty close to two weeks old. Noodle snacks (talk) 02:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea, sorry about that. This past week was really busy and this weekend was filled with bbqs and late-night parties. I'll do a few later tonight. upstateNYer 03:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Its cool, cheers. Noodle snacks (talk) 03:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 Done upstateNYer 05:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

FPC of Hawaii bathymetry

You commented on my nomination at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Hawaii Bathymetry, I have made changes to the image and would appreciate a revisit as the nomination is closing soon. Thanks. --ErgoSumtalktrib 23:16, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I don't usually vote any more because I close the noms. COI, you see. But thanks for the heads up. upstateNYer 23:42, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent closures

Looks like you forgot to add "promoted" or "not promoted" to these two: and Makeemlighter (talk) 05:32, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. upstateNYer 05:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Another pic

My original pic of the Fire Alarm, Telegraph and Police Signaling Building in Troy (on State Street maybe a block or two west of the current police HQ building) was the wrong building. If you could get this, I'll finish the article. Daniel Case (talk) 03:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

The coordinates in the article place it right next to the County Office Building, which is a block east of the current police station. There is an old building there (the coordinates are in the middle of the street, so I'm too sure where the intended placement is), which could be it—though I think that was a courthouse or something (can't remember precisely). Otherwise, mind being a bit more specific in what the building looks like? I can't picture it. upstateNYer 03:37, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
I meant east. In the morning I'll give you the link to the picture files (using that same JS viewer) at the NYSOPRHP site so you know which building it is. Daniel Case (talk) 07:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
They're here. Daniel Case (talk) 13:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
On it. upstateNYer 14:22, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
It's done. Thanks a lot!

Hey, while I have you, what do you think of this panorama I took in the Middle East? I did some different things while editing it, and as a result it's less noisy than most of my images. Think it has any potential for recognition? Daniel Case (talk) 01:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. Won't meet FP, but go for VPC. I'd vote for it (and will, if not enough votes are found). Much of the image is riddled with JPEG artifacts, which is quite alright at VP. I didn't notice any stitching errors. What software did you use to stitch with? When were you in the Middle East - I want to travel!!! upstateNYer 04:29, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
BTW, thank you for supporting me at Commons. upstateNYer 04:32, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought it had a lot of artifacts. I usually do my stitching in Photoshop. As you can see, that was back in April (usually the best time to go there, although the haze in the distance over the sea of galilee is more common then, and I wish you could see it more clearly. Daniel Case (talk) 13:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Russian Locomotive

Hey UpstateNYer. Is that what's supposed to be done? I haven't read the procedures... ZooFari 05:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Not as of yet. There will be a strict set of rules updated here when consensus is met in all realms. Will let you know; if you're up to it, your comments will be appreciated. upstateNYer 05:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah. I finished the vector and voted on your rfa ;-) ZooFari 06:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
You are too efficient; you make the rest of us look bad! upstateNYer 06:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey UpstateNYer, I went back to the logo and saw that the bottom left corner has the circle cut off. I did a hard-edge trace so it came out exactly like the raster. Do you want it like that or do you want me to fix it? ZooFari 16:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The fix would be appreciated. upstateNYer 16:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. Let me know if you need anything else... ZooFari 17:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

JFK Closure

Hey. Looks like you closed and then someone removed your "Not Promoted." Not sure what to do about that...take a look. Makeemlighter (talk) 23:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. Looks like ZooFari correctly reverted that edit. upstateNYer 02:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Commons adminship possibilities

What I told Julian. Daniel Case (talk) 14:26, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


Thanks for the rollback permission. I've wanted to use Huggle for awhile now. Hintswen  Talk | Contribs  04:09, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

May the force be with you. :) upstateNYer 04:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


Sorry for not responding promptly. You asked, at my Talk page: "Thanks for adding that link. But when I go to it, there's only 2 images, not 13. Where are the rest? upstateNYer 14:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)"

They're all there. You have to hit page down, i think, to get to the next page, if using Firefox (which only gives you a one inch tall window. The NYS documents system is apparently tuned for Microsoft Internet Explorer browsers, so it should look better there, but you may have to hit pagedown there too. There are 14 pages: 2 photos, then two corresponding descriptions (probably the backs of the photos), 2 more, etc. Let me know if this doesn't work now for you. It's important for you to be able to access the NRHP documents. doncram (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Or, alternatively, you could select the print option and print the document to paper or to a PDF file. I use the free PDF995 pdf-writer software, which works as a printer you select, but prints to a file instead. It will print the whole file, all pages, and then you can read it more conveniently relative to using their slow, klunky interface. doncram (talk) 08:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Wow, yea that was stupid of me. Works fine in Safari. Printing to PDF is what I've been doing since that java program is so clunky. upstateNYer 08:36, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


It's OK - no need to apologize. Not your fault something went...strange, if you will. Thanks for the props on the other articles - it's always "nice" (not the best word, perhaps, but I can't think of any other) to see my hometown make it into the national press for something that isn't related to politics. Reminds me that we are, in the end, a real city, with real-city issues, and that sort of thing.

Speaking of the other you have any experience getting permission from Flickr users to upload their photos? There were some interesting ones I found in a quick search that could be used to illustrate both articles, but I'm not sure of the best way to go about asking permission. I'm going to try to get a picture of one of the service advisory signs today, but that's the best I can do myself. --User:AlbertHerring Io son l'orecchio e tu la bocca: parla! 13:39, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

I typically keep an eye on some DC articles; I went to GW for four years. As for Flickr, if the images are licensed CC-BY (for example) or CC-BY-SA (for example), then you don't need permission; you just need to correctly attribute the author (for example). If it's an image that's not freely licensed, I sometimes send a private message to the user stating my case, usually including something persuasive like "thousands of people per day will see this image". If they give it to you, I typically post a message on the page of the image stating that it's used on Wikipedia, with a link to the main article it's found in, and thank the person for freely licensing their images (for example). Lots will turn you down, but some will be pleasantly surprised (and outright flattered) and be happy to relicense their image. It's always worth a shot. Let me know if you have any other questions. upstateNYer 14:46, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Elwood Mead

Hey UpstateNYer. Do you think you can restore this? The scratches are a nono for the article. Nice work on your previous restorations :-) ZooFari 17:06, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, is there Twinkle at Commons? ZooFari 18:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so. See if there's anything similar at Special:Preferences. upstateNYer 20:19, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I thought so, Commons is quite different from here. Anyways, are you able to restore it? Feel free to say no, I can always request at GL. ZooFari 03:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I can, but I'll need some time to do so. upstateNYer 03:57, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
There is a beta: commons:Commons:Twinkle Noodle snacks (talk) 03:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I pasted it in my monobook sometime ago but doesn't appear. Maybe it's still under development... ZooFari 03:45, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Little Red Schoolhouse (Brunswick, New York)

Updated DYK query On June 24, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Little Red Schoolhouse (Brunswick, New York), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

BorgQueen (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Since the talk page is even getting edit conflicted...

In addition to sourcing this, this story seems to have a good amount of facts to sum his death and background up. This addition of mine is released into the public domain, could you please please add it to the 2008-09 section (since it is protected right now): Although there is no evidence of criminality, Los Angeles Police Department detectives have opened an investigation into his death.[1] Hello32020 (talk) 23:45, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Unprotected now. Have at it. upstateNYer 23:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Re at Commons & GL

Go for it! Also made a re at GL (hopefully that's what you were looking for). ZooFari 00:39, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Full protecting an article so you can make edits to it is completely unacceptable

That behavior on the Micheal Jackson page was utterly inappropriate. Titanium Dragon (talk) 23:58, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea, I figured somebody would say something. It was a necessary evil and somebody had to step up and do it. Some major updates needed to be made (relative to what was there). I updated the content, made sure it was well-written, cited it correctly. It was protected for 8 minutes - eight minutes. It had previously been fully protected for an hour and 17 minutes. Sorry, but it needed to be done. upstateNYer 00:18, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Jackson dies today, maybe it should stay protected for the day... ZooFari 00:43, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh wait, it already is. ZooFari 00:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
BTW, I noticed you linked dates in the references. They shouldn't be... Dabomb87 (talk) 01:40, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I prefer that because it formats the references. I don't feel it's that big of a deal, do you? upstateNYer 01:42, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Considering most readers don't see that consistency, linking dates for autoformatting is deprecated, and none of the other dates are linked or formatted that way, yes it does bother me (to be blunt). Dabomb87 (talk) 01:44, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
K, I'll change it; I just hate that {{Cite}} doesn't format the dates... upstateNYer 01:47, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
You should've prepared the content in your userspace first... –xenotalk 12:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
I did. That wasn't the issue. The issue was the multitude of edit conflicts over the 20 minute period I kept trying to revise the information and sources. Something had to be done. Unfortunately by the time I protected, the text had gone from my clipboard. No sense in unprotecting 4 seconds after just to protect again in 3 minutes. But that didn't really matter: the article was full protected for the rest of the night anyway. upstateNYer 15:01, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, per these[6][7] it would be a good idea to review Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Sarah Palin protection wheel war. The Committee admonished an administrator for wheel warring because he repeatedly changed the protection level on a page against consensus. DurovaCharge! 16:51, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, but I didn't wheelwar. I changed the protection of the page three legitimate times (one more time was an oops). This wasn't against consensus and I didn't set it to the full protection that lasted most of last night (though I supported it; see here). I did remove the full protection at around midnight (EDT), since edits to the talk page had lessened, and per what was actually much of a consensus on the talk page (until the move was made, when others complained about that). In fact it turned out well since it was late and few users were editing (compared to before) and much relevant information was added (in addition to spelling/grammar mistakes fixed, tenses fixed, etc - things that as a a single sysop, I was not going to be able to do alone). I would have been in favor of full protection again this morning, when America woke up, but I took no part in anything like that. upstateNYer 20:45, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
This bears repeating: repeatedly changing the protection level of an article against consensus does constitute wheel warring, according to the cited arbitration decision. The administrator who was admonished for doing so has subsequently resigned all ops and been indefinitely blocked due to other problems. Whatever our differences in other matters, I wouldn't want to see you head down that path. Had something to do with his subsequent stuff, which brought this to mind. Best wishes: being a new adminstrator can be tough. DurovaCharge! 02:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I do legitimately appreciate the feedback, but like I said in the cited section at the talk page, it had all to do with making the encyclopedia better. It was about making sure it was correct at a time it needed to be, when millions were viewing information that needed to be correct. upstateNYer 08:25, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Garfield School

Updated DYK query On June 27, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Garfield School, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Wizardman 20:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

More Albany NRHP listings coming


In my current run up the Hudson Valley from one day last August that I've been developing articles from for the last month, I have finally reached the ones in Albany I told you I'd be reaching. They're all downtown; some of them (Downtown Albany Historic District, Palace Theatre and Clinton Avenue Historic District) are ones we already have articles but lack photos for. That saves me some work; I can just upload the pics and expand the articles instead from their NRHP noms (although I can no longer use Safari because the new version crashes when you open the JavaScript).

I might take a short break and work on some non-NRHP articles for a bit, then get back to this tomorrow. I will be starting with Quackenbush Pumping House, for which I've already uploaded a pic. It's now the Albany Pump House brewpub/restaurant, and that's what we'll be calling the article (Speaking of which, I bet you could get a good pic of the nearby Quackenbush House at 683 Broadway. We shouldn't be letting that old HABS one keep doing it for us).

Also, take a look at Kinderhook Village District, which I recently finished. Sort of on the borderline between CD and HV, but you if you get down there eventually and can get pics of some of the named buildings in it (the van schaack and Schermerhorn houses especially), that could spice it up a bit. Daniel Case (talk) 19:57, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Will get back to you when I get any of them; hopefully will trek down to Albany this week. On an unrelated note, I need a good lead for Manor of Rensselaerswyck, which just got a large addition to it, and should hit DYK in a few days. You've got the knack, which I don't, as proven here. Would you mind having a look? :-) upstateNYer 06:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh and I have this, which I think outweighs this, unless you're in love with the angle and the fact that Broadway and State are in view. I did try taking a panorama of the whole building, but it didn't work out (only clear view is too close, so the extreme right and left get stretched to much to be indistinguishable). upstateNYer 06:07, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, yours is better. That tower's a symbol of the city, really, so we need to focus on it. Daniel Case (talk) 05:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey Daniel, I was in Albany today, but didn't know what to photograph. The Clinton Ave Historic District is not very specific. Care to give me an idea? Same for Downtown one; where would you like the photo, looking up State Street? I'm gonna have to try to get a replacement for St. Peter's and St. Mary's, but they are difficult to photograph because of all the power lines, traffic lights, cars, etc. upstateNYer 21:30, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I have the photos for Downtown and Clinton Avenue; when I write the articles, you can look at them and get an idea where to shoot if you want to improve. Daniel Case (talk) 05:32, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The demonym

Hi. This is regarding the DYK thread. My point was that such links point to the country, not to the demonym (it's not the ethnicity that is being discussed), and ancestry is even less relevant (it's not like going through the man's genealogical tree). The link you mention has a purpose there, and wherever this specific nuance is discussed, but hardly necessary in simpler cases like this one. What's generally used is "American" (as in "[[United States|American]]"). Cheers, Dahn (talk) 00:58, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Yea you're probably right. I was trying to stick with what they did there, which is what I thought was correct. Nbd. upstateNYer 04:04, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


If you're willing to apologise, I'm willing to delete the statements. Feel free to delete that thread as well. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg Thank you; you can leave the thread as is if you want. upstateNYer 17:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh common

Sorry for the "grinding" tone... but I really can't see why this one failed VP promotion. It practically passed FP promotion a couple months ago and no one raised any concerns with it. Seems like a classic case of good judgement to promote it even if it doesn't have 4 votes.
With respect, JaakobouChalk Talk 08:59, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
p.s. if you're interested in future PS retouching help on stuff like the Nott Memorial, let me know. :) JaakobouChalk Talk 09:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I really wanted to pass that, trust me. I feel that image pretty much defines a "valued picture". But I can't go against consensus (it's common to count a "weak" vote as 0.5, but not to count a "strong" one as 1.5). Sorry :-( upstateNYer 17:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Consensus was to promote actually. That's what I'm saying really. Just because not enough people voted doesn't mean that it shouldn't pass. This is not a case where I'm the only voter and people shied away from voting. Its more that there's little participation in that page and an old president from a hundred years ago is not interesting enough to load his full image (quite big since it ran for FP) and cast a vote. I think you should reconsider, honestly - either allow it to run a bit longer or just pass it. Currently, it's got 3 supports counting my own and, actually, you haven't voted. You already noted you believe it fits the bill... I'm really surprised that no one said anything bad and it suddenly gets rejected.
Warm regards, JaakobouChalk Talk 20:32, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Lack of votes=lack of interest, which equals no promotion. Feel free to nominate again though. ZooFari 20:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
ZooFari, I'm sorry to lead you on, but I don't have the time currently to do that restoration you requested. Sorry. :-( upstateNYer 21:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Maybe you should propose lowering the number of supports to three. Consensus must be clear but the minimum must be met. I don't vote because I close (doing both is bad form, unless it make no overall difference to consensus or vote mins). I completely forgot about VPC for a while (busy last week) and it seems the nom was open for 2 weeks. upstateNYer 21:15, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok. I gave if a fair bid.. may raise it again for voting after I let the old voting acquire a bit of dust. JaakobouChalk Talk 23:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

"G-d thanks Wikipedia admin! Say's He's a big fan!"

I loved your edit summary on St. Peter's Episcopal Church. Thank you for the replacement image for the church on State Street, I know how difficult it was to find a good angle and that you must've spent quite a bit of time. So, since G-d probably is not a Wikipedia user (but if he was I'm confident he'd be a Capital District Wikiproject member), I thank you for Him.Camelbinky (talk) 20:45, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

A penny for your thoughts? or 20 dolla make ya holla

Do you think this image would be a good FP candidate? Also, I was looking at Wikipedia:Valued pictures and wanted your opinion on these images (the latter is noteworthy because the entire neighborhood was razed in the 1950s/60s) Gracias. APK coffee talk 16:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

I would say the horses are not detailed (crisp) enough and its EV is debatable (a bunch of horses on a beach). The EV they'd be on the lookout for would be a whole and complete shot of a single horse, unless they were naturally traveling in a pack or something.
As for VP, every user seems to have their own interpretation of the criteria. I usually see "value" meaning that an image is used well in many articles (like this or this). Here's an example user criteria. I really like the Arboretum photo and always have. Incidentally, I corrected the distortion from the camera and straightened up the columns (revert if you don't like). I would nominate that. I think for the store in SW, you won't get much response mainly because most people can't relate. I see your claim of value since it's been razed, but what does it show? I thought of this, but it doesn't make any statement like that; it's just a street scene. I don't think you'd get enough response at VP. FP might be an option, but before you do that, let me take a crack at make the colors a bit better.
20 dolla holla, please. upstateNYer 14:36, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the input and for tweaking the image. APK coffee talk 16:13, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Delete this

Delete this please!. I'll try to finish the graphic today. It is kind of hard to tell what is supposed to be black and white. ZooFari 18:43, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done upstateNYer Flag of the United States.svg 18:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you, and request done, see my talk! ZooFari 03:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, fixed for now, but I might modify it later because the file size went larger than needed. I'm out of town right now so I might not respond until I find another Internet source. Let me know if that works for you. ZooFari 21:39, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Recently Closed FPCs

This is in Recently Closed Noms with no closing statement. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:37, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Face-smile.svg Thank you; you are completely correct (must have missed that one..). All fixed now! upstateNYer Flag of the United States.svg 05:59, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Palace Theatre pic

No problem. I figured you'd eventually improve on that one ... I had cut off the chimney, in any event, and yours shows more of the front facade (I would have gotten that angle, but I was pressed for time at the time ... had four more historic districts to take representative photos of and it was getting late). Daniel Case (talk) 04:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Image in signature

Hi there. I don't want to dampen your euphoria for the US national holiday but I think you should remove the image from your signature. WP:SIG#Images clearly forbids such use and as an admin, imho you need to be an example to other users. Regards SoWhy 10:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


What an epic userpage! –Juliancolton | Talk 19:16, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Manor of Rensselaerswyck

Updated DYK query On July 4, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Manor of Rensselaerswyck, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 20:49, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Corrected your user page

Change the US being 233 and not 223 years old on your user page. Chris (talk) 21:23, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

And to think I went to school for engineering. Face-smile.svg Thank you upstateNYer Flag of the United States.svg 00:12, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Ottava Rima at WQA

Hi, since you're somewhat slightly involved in reviewing the FP nomination of Ottava Rima (talk · contribs), could you voice your input at Wikipedia:Wikiquette_alerts#User:Ottava Rima - Incivility and disruptive threats? I've tried to help the user, all I've got from the user is threats with dreadful languages, and harassment with inappropriate behavior. I feel very absurd that my good faith intention to help him is betrayed like that. However, since object eyes are welcome, your input would be appreciated. Thanks.--Caspian blue 03:19, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

By the way, I reduced the size of the images, which was what I thought someone was going to do based on what you were saying about size. I tried the gallery option in preview and it caused some bad formatting like some of my earlier attempts. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your patience. It was getting a little rough with everyone suggesting every formatting change. It was frustrating to put up the original formatting (you can see the history to witness the various trials for that) and the later problems, well... If it was possible, I would just link to the images and not display in order to avoid all of that messy stuff. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Independence day

Hey UpstateNYer, hope your 4 day went well :-). Out of curiosity, how is New York? Las Vegas is filled with smog, and you can barely see the casinos. My hands are all burned :(, so I am having a hard time typing. I like the description on your page, very epic and generous of your country. So anyways, here is your next target, I won't be needing that till next year :). Cheers, ZooFari 07:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

 Done Thankfully, the weather wasn't rainy like it's been all week. But it was cold. Most of us were wearing jeans and sweatshirts. But it was fun and I got some great photos of fireworks! upstateNYer Flag of the United States.svg 15:51, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Well luckily you don't live over here, it is like an oven. Sweet pics! ZooFari 18:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Clinton Avenue Historic District (Albany, New York)

Since you asked me a while ago if there were any pics you could get for this one, here's a few contributing properties that leapt out of the nom while I was researching the article expansion, some of which are mentioned in the text:

  • 3–5 Clinton Place. The oldest rowhouses in the district, one of which was Herman Melville's home for the year after his whaling voyages. This one we must have.
  • 69, 73 and 75 Clinton Avenue. The doorways and their high Greek Revival-style surrounds. Best illustration of that style in the district.
  • 163 Clinton Avenue. Former School No. 7
  • 168 Clinton Avenue. Queen Anne Style rowhouse with projecting gabled pavilion.
  • 252–70 Clinton Avenue. Unbroken row of 11 Italianate units with bracketed cornices.
  • Hope Baptist Church, west end of McPherson Place. Most notable Romanesque building in the district.
  • 222 North Pearl Street. Former police station now used as an office.
  • Old St. Luke's Church, Gothic-style building at Clinton and Lexington.
  • Urban blight, somewhere in the district. The Times-Union article I used as a source mentions some houses that no longer even have stoops anymore; we should get one of those. Graffitti and boarded windows wouldn't hurt either.

(As the last entry suggests, and as I recall from my own brief visit, this neighborhood has not been gentrified yet. Try not to look too suspicious walking around, and if someone asks you what you're taking pictures of, tell them the truth. Even if they then tell you to get the hell out).

We should also see if the historical society and/or library has any historic pics of the area we could use, showing it as it was getting built up (and especially one with the horsecar). I have a good feeling about this article. Daniel Case (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Gentrification; new word for me, and very interesting root. I'll do what I can. I'll see if I can do anything about old photos; I'm currently trying to work the Rensselaer County Historical Society into releasing photos, in addition to my local town HS, but it's really difficult. They're all run by non-computer (let alone Internet) savvy people who are either ignorant or have no idea what I'm talking about. Needless to say, they have little knowledge of copyright and when I ask for a certain image (one in PD), they respond with, "I have to check with the owner who donated it to see if it's ok." These are images that are typically printed in those "History of Local Areas" books (one for each town) and are therefore published. I could scan those without request, but they're not the full size and restoring them would be pointless. But they get annoyed that people are using their photos online (most notably, the old one from Forest Park Cemetery, which you can see here under "About Me"). So now that image has been been published, there are no longer rights to the image... by anybody! But you can't just threaten a potential donor, even if you'd like to go over the whole US Code on copyright with them. Regardless, I'll do what I can. You got me going..! upstateNYer 22:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually, I have this: upstateNYer 22:45, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Nice. I put it in. I'd seen it (the photo) before and didn't know it was the same place.

Your experience getting photos donated is one of the reasons we have local Foundation chapters. At the conference in Berlin I was at a discussion of exactly this issue. Most of the European chapters have to do a lot of persuading with their governments because that "government work = PD" rule is a US-only thing, and talking to Europeans about their content-release issues really makes you appreciate this as an American even more.

Perhaps when we really get things rolling with the NYC chapter we can make this sort of thing easier. There's a photo I found in one PDF I used as a source for Downtown Cohoes Historic District (my next one for PR, once I get a new map for it as well) that I want to use but can't since I don't know how old it is. Maybe you can help on that one, too ... Daniel Case (talk) 02:21, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed; though it would still be nice if all state, county, and town works had to be in PD too. That annoys the piss out of me sometimes. I'll look into that photo; I assume you mean the postcard on the cover of the document? upstateNYer 06:32, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here the are:

A few things:

  • 69 Clinton Ave doesn't exist; 69 and 71 are empty lots. But I got 67 and 65 just in case.
  • 252-70 Clinton Ave has an empty lot between the ends; I counted 10 buildings (but the lot is bigger than one building, but smaller than 2...)
  • Not sure if I got Hope Baptist Church. See coords; I'm not sure where McPherson Place is. If it's not the right place, mind fixing the image page description? The church itself didn't have the name listed on it.
  • I saw literally no graffiti. Anywhere. Even on side streets. But I did see some stoopless rowhouses.

Bit of a depressing day; enjoy. upstateNYer 00:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow! Good work! I didn't expect it all back so soon! I see you put it all in the new category, too! Thanks for that! I'm busy today, so I may not be able to put it in the article yet.

Sorry about the vacant lots ... since the application dates to 1988, there are bound to have been changes. But not really sorry about the absence of urban blight to the extent I have seen it in Newburgh. Much better for the people who live there. Daniel Case (talk) 12:34, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

You are invited to participate in an interesting discussion at Wikipedia talk:Image use policy#File:Man Utd FC .svg. Your comments & suggestions are very much appreciated Arteyu ? Blame it on me ! 09:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


Hey. FWIW, instead of using {{commons|Category:X, New York}} you could simply use {{commonscat}}. Not a big deal, but it's more convenient. –Juliancolton | Talk 06:10, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Bleh, and I ignored the "new message" bar until I finished all of Rensselaer and Albany counties. Will remember that in the future. upstateNYer 06:30, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
You can also consider AWB to add these rapidly. ZooFari 18:56, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
Win-doze only; call me a purist. :-) upstateNYer 19:37, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Re:To our newest Rollbacker

Thanks for showing trust on me. I understand that rollback is only for use against obvious vandalism. I will use this right sensibly . --TalhaDiscuss © 17:51, 8 July 2009 (UTC)


Done. I kept the greys, but correct me if I did it wrong. I aligned them as you said and used arial bold for all the text. There are some scribbles at the bottom right of the graphic, and it looks like hand-written words. If you know what it reads, I may be able to make it more comprehendible. If the svg is okay with you, I'll make the red version you requested. ZooFari 05:31, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The "Quality Life" part seems to be hiding behind one of the borders (only figured that out when I clicked on the image and it rendered in my browser). The "Brittonkill Central" doesn't seem to be centered between the circles. Also, can everything that's grey be changed to black? And if that causes overlaps, there needs to be white lines that separate them. The scribbles should read: "Halse '85". Thank you! upstateNYer 05:44, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Well that's odd. I'll have everything fixed tomorrow. Need some sleep now, but let me know about any other issues in the meantime. G'night, ZooFari 05:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
How's that now! Cute smiley, I just noticed that up there. ZooFari 22:47, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
Wow Zoo, it looks great. Can you email me a red version and a high-res png (or jpg; not sure which is better for this situation) of each version (or just upload them and I'll delete them after I download them)? If we use it on our website (which I hope we do), I'll let you know. :-) upstateNYer 02:54, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I sent you the pngs the same size as it renders. If you want, you can give me the dimensions for a much higher resolution. Let me know if you need anything else. ;-) ZooFari 03:56, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Harbor Kingstown

Hi, could you possibly re-open this candidacy, highlighting the post-closure note by Durova? ceranthor 00:18, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I mean, I guess; it's still 3.5/1 after 8 days. How many more days would you like? upstateNYer 02:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


I'm going to try and close everything I haven't voted on. Can you get the rest? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:54, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Mine are done. By the way, watch the difference between an arachnid and an insect - you misclassified the recent orb weaver spider under insect, when spiders are arachnids. I fixed it while putting in the moth image. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:09, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Yup, will get them tonight. Sorry I wasn't around; went on an unplanned weekend excursion. And sorry about the spider; that was a stupid mistake. I was apparently not thinking; thanks for cleaning up after me. upstateNYer 21:32, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
P.S. You didn't sign the last 6 closures you did. upstateNYer 21:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
How odd. Must've lost the copy-paste I was doing - as you can imagine, that was a big, complicated batch. I'll get it now. And don't worry too much about the spider - frankly, with all the common names and scientific names, it's pretty easy to get shunted onto the wrong path. It'd be so much easier if we just used Arthropod. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 00:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Or if we had someone chose the respective category when they make the nom... upstateNYer 03:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Speaking of which, I think it's time we added a "Geology and Palaeontology" category under science [Adding Palaeontology simplifies a few things, like Petrified wood]: We've been getting quite a lot of high-quality mineral photos of late, and it's probably time to spin them out of "Other sciences" Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Probably not a bad idea. Also, I changed back the formatting at WP:GO, removing the gallery you added. I've been scolded for tweaking formatting there before; apparently they like it just the way it is. upstateNYer 03:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
No doubt. But if they like it so much, they might bother to mention the format in the FPC promotion instructions =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, also, since we seem to be using slightly different rules of thumb: I'm using Entertainment for novels and such, Culture for religion and mythology. How are you dividing them up? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Forgive me. I happen to be up, but a little ill, and really don't seem to have anything better to do =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I've typically put your engravings in culture, not entertainment. If you have a preference, I'll go with yours. upstateNYer 03:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Either way seems fine, so long as it's consistent. The only thing I think is a problem is putting mythology into entertainment. But we ought to either be consistent, or make a category for literature and bypass the issue (not necessarily a bad thing). Actually, I'll go ahead and make the literature cat, and maybe theatre. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
That would indeed make things easier. upstateNYer 04:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Done, and reshuffled. There may be a few in other cats, I'll check for them now. I don't know why we're so slow to add categories: We always seem to struggle with ambiguous images for years before finally doing something about it - like East Asian art: Once that was added, all the Japanese and Chinese stuff was suddenly easily categorised, instead of being everywhere. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:19, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Looks good. upstateNYer 04:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
...I can't believe someone put Beer Street and Gin Lane in Wikipedia:Featured pictures/Places/Urban! This is why the occasional reevaluation helps =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, it's done. I've been very careful, so hopefully no problems have arisen. I'll ask MER-C to run the bot (which I believe exists) that checks for FPs not categorised into the featured picture pages. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough; might want to leave a note at WT:FPC while you're at it. upstateNYer 04:45, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay. By the way, be careful: You forgot to add {{FP|[Link to nom]}} to the image pages you just promoted. As I said, I have nothing better to do, so I'll get it =) My mistake, it was only one. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 04:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you upstateNYer 04:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Ah, well. I'm getting rambly, I think it's time to go back to sleep for a bit: Been starting on a course of exercise, and, as you probably know, these knock you out rather for a while, until you adjust to them. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 05:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

A favor

Hey UpstateNYer. Can you do me a favor (and anyone else who reads this) and see if the banner on my user page works well? I'm sick of my browser having a problem with some SVGs. Thanks, ZooFari 02:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Doesn't show up in the latest version of Safari for Mac (shows the box where it belongs, with a question mark). On Firefox, it doesn't even acknowledge that it exists. upstateNYer 03:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
If you'll forgive me butting in: Do remember that Wikipedia is having major thumbnail issues at the moment, though. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. I'll be changing to png for the moment, hopefully that works. Mind deleting this and that? Thanks, ZooFari 03:59, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 Done upstateNYer 04:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I assume the png is not a problem? ZooFari 04:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
PNG is fine. upstateNYer 04:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Another one. ZooFari 04:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
more trash. ZooFari 04:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

FPC closing questions.

Hi. In the closing procedure, it says "Move the nomination entry to the bottom of the 'Recently closed nominations' section." Is this right? Isn't everything going to the top? Also, about this: Why wasn't it closed as "no quorum" per the precedent you set here: Thanks. Makeemlighter (talk) 06:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch; fixed. As for the precedent you reference, I don't see the connection between it and the Joseph Priestly one. The latter had four full supports, which meets our passing requirements. We still haven't implemented the 5 votes min yet. upstateNYer 15:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to let you know still had the FPC template despite already having been promoted. I (think) I fixed it. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Doing 7-12 at a time with no script to help can lead to minor errors like that. Thanks for following. upstateNYer 15:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Tomorrow's FPC closures

I got today's, but tomorrow we have your nomination which I voted on. This will be interesting. Maybe I'll poke someone into adding the promoted/not promoted tag, if I promise to do the rest?

I hope it does get promoted: I for one like multi-level images, with a foreground and a background. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I planned on asking MER-C to do that. upstateNYer 17:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Works for me, though he hasn't done much in a long time. I wonder why? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Splitting sciences

I've been thinking about this: What if we used "Mineralology" - which is a bit more specific than Geology - alongside "Palaeontology"? My worry with "Geology" is that we'd end up with ambiguous cases, e.g. petrified wood, dinosaur skeletons, and the last thing we want to do is add ambiguity. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

If I may: I think what you are looking for is petrology. They don't study minerals though. ZooFari 17:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Most of the images we have are of minerals, though, with a few illustrating mineral shapes. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I suppose we could put up Geology *and* Palaeontology - so long as the more specific one is there, it shouldn't be too bad. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:41, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Paleontology is geology. Maybe Geology as a cat for science, and three sections for petrology, mineralogy, and paleontology. ZooFari 17:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
As a biologist, I'd probably have said Palaeontology was biology. Do we actually have any petrology FPs at the moment? Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 17:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so, but I'm not really sure what paleontology is classified into. They seem to fit under both, but I say biology. How ambiguous is biology? ZooFari 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
It's a little odd: A lot of it's classified elsewhere, e.g. Animals, Plants, etc. The "biology" section is mainly anatomy and cell biology. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 19:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
True, but I'd say leave Animals and Plants separate. upstateNYer 21:20, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, though mainly because of the thumbnails on the main FP page. Well, anyway, it does seem this could be controversial enough that we should probably take it to WT:FPC. The three of us alone probably aren't enough. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 23:48, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. ZooFari 00:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)


Trash (will expand):

ZooFari 00:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Might be interested in this-

[8] beautiful photos and might give you ideas of photos you want to take yourself. The name Dave Carroll sounds familiar, but I cant place it, he might be the one that took the Albany photos for Emporis, maybe not, I dont know, but it sounds familar. If you get a chance and you find yourself at Crossgates Mall you might want to stop by the Photos of Years-ago (or some similar name) shop, its owned by an older man who just sets up shop when he wants some extra money but otherwise is retired, great historical photos of the area, he might be able to tell you the copyright status of his photos, some are so old I'm sure you dont have to worry about it, good place to learn about history too, he's very knowledgeable. There are photos from all over from Lake George to Troy to Schenectady to Amsterdam to Averill Park.Camelbinky (talk) 06:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Funny you should mention that; I've been selling various photos to him for the past month or so. He pays well. ;-) upstateNYer 15:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Medal of Honor pic

Sorry about that I had never submitted a picture before but you should start seeing quite a few from me. I am trying to get the Medal of Honor related content up to Good status or better. So why does the image need to be 1000 pixels? --Kumioko (talk) 00:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

First off, welcome. Smiley.svg As for the requirement, it's a minimum resolution expectation which ensures that featured pictures will be large enough to print at large scales (at least 11 by 14 inches (28 by 36 cm)). You may want to take a close look at some example featured pictures at WP:FP. The standards at FP are relatively high. Another option is Valued Pictures, which does not have a definitive size requirement, and has lesser technical expectations. Your Medal of Honor image my very well be able to pass there if you can prove it is 'valuable' to the project. Best, upstateNYer 00:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for the quicl response. I will try that route then for the image, I think I can wordsmith a justification for it.:-). If you don't mind me asking a couple more questions about the process I have a couple. Here are a handful of other images that I planned on submitting. Would you mind taking a glance and letting me know if they are ok before I waste both our time submitting them. I looked through the requirements and they seem to meet them (including the 1000 pixel). Also, is it possible to submit a group on a related subject rather than submitting them each individually. For example there are several here related to Lt. Michael Murphy the Medal of Honor recipient and rather than submit them individually it seems like it would be nice to have a group nomination. Anyway here are a few just to get your advice.
  1. File:Michael P. Murphy portrait.jpg
    Too soft, especially considering this is probably a profession photo.
  2. File:Michael P. Murphy.jpg
    Even though it's taken in the field, probably won't pass: poor lighting, cut off at right, and size is pushing it (another, unwritten criterium of FPC is "wow factor"; keep that in mind).
  3. File:Michael P. Murphy Medal of Honor and SEAL Trident.jpg
    I personally could support this. But note that not all users at FPC are American, which could influence voting patterns. Meets my expectations for the most part.
  4. File:Parents of Michael Murphy with monument.jpg
    Poor lighting; gravestone is cut off; encyclopedic value is lacking, IMHO.
  5. File:USS Michael Murphy (DDG 112) photo illustration.jpg
    Doctored photos won't pass.
  6. File:SmedleyButler.jpeg
    Could use some restoration; also has JPEG artifacts.
  7. File:Chesty Puller.jpg
    Ditto the one above.
--Kumioko (talk) 00:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I placed my 2¢ above regarding each one. But these are solely my opinions. You can (and probably should) take these off to WP:PPR where more people can comment. As for a group, featured sets do exist, but many users are not fans of them. That said, I would say the group should have more obvious connections than these do. Hopefully that helps. upstateNYer 01:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok that helps a lot thanks again. These are only a few out of probably 3 0r 400 so far but this shoudl help me cull down the list to 30 or 40 really good ones. You should start seeing a few rolling through. starting with the Michael P. Murphy Medal of Honor and SEAL Trident.jpg one. I have never been a big fan of peer review. Althought they can help I have never had much luck with meaningful comments.--Kumioko (talk) 01:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject The Beatles/Project banner

Hi- This page should be kept: Template talk:WPBeatles/doc, the above page should be deleted, somehow it got mixed up. Thanks!!

 Done upstateNYer 16:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! --Funandtrvl (talk) 17:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

NY State Senate and copyright

Wow! That is really great! I have been saying at WM-NYC meetings that one of our goals should be to lobby the city and state governments for some sort of PD release of at least some images. Seems like the State Senate already took a step in that direction. (As this makes clear, they didn't go to where this stuff would be permissible for our use because (read between the lines) they don't want potential opponents using this stuff in ads or fundraising against them. Tough. Senators and congressmen have to live with that possibility; there's no reason our state legislators can't).

Actually, reading it closely, it seems like they chose that brand of CC just for that reason. They seem to limit only that use. That might make it free enough for us to put on Commons, presuming a special license tag. We will have to put this before the Foundation and the Commons user community to see if we would accept this, since it's not full ND and NC.

Now, as to why public documents aren't always in the public domain ... I assume you mean state and local documents. When Congress passed the Copyright Act of 1790 and provided that all works of the federal government are in the public domain, in accordance with the principles of the Revolution so many of them had fought in or otherwise struggled for they didn't make that decision for the state governments (however, the Constitution grants exclusive power over private copyright to the states. So, as a result, many works of the states are still copyrighted (I think California and Florida have some limited public domain releases).

I would have to look at the relevant sections of New York state law, but I think it does say that the text of the statutes themselves and published court rulings are PD (which would make sense). Daniel Case (talk) 17:07, 15 July 2009 (UTC)


Hate to be a pain, but I'm afraid we're getting a backlog of ones I cannot close =/ Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 18:43, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Yea. Busy day. Hopefully tonight or tomorrow morning. Will do my best. upstateNYer 19:10, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
No worries. It's not too bad if at least one of us is active, as either of us can close maybe 2/3rds the nominations. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:26, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

St. Paul's

It's a good start, but there are a few issues:

First of all, you downsampled. Never do that to an engraving: Engravings have so much detail that I generally would go for a highe resolution even than your un-downsampled, to assure it'd reproduce well even if "blown up" a little. 800 dpi is a good minimum for all but the very largest, A3 engravings (where 600dpi may be acceptable, if only for file size) - but you presumably didn't have a choice there, so never mind. If you can, ask for higher resolution, pointing out to them that you're happy to have the final image put on cups, T-shirts, reprints of the books, etc, so you having higher resolution to start would let them use it for more purposes. (Pro tip: CC-by-SA for everyone else, but additionally give them alone the rights to use for any purpose without attribution. This gives them an additional incentive to release things to you, as they can sell T-shirts, mugs, etc.)

Secondly, the original scan isn't very good, and there's some odd pale-yellow squiggles in the background (they're faint, but clearly visible, even in the downsampled version). I presume you can't fix the scan, so I'd suggest getting rid of them by simply desaturating the image completely, then taking the background - including the (now grey) squiggles to white. There's a strong contrast between the ink and paper, so, if you do the tweak carefully, no actual detail will be lost. (And don't worry about FPC: You'll notice that I have several FPCs where the background is white. (Usually because I could only get a high-quality photocopy out of the library, so there was no point leaving the paper grain in anyway. Who wants to see 21st century paper behind an 19th century image?) Anyway, the white background is good for the historical society: It makes it easy for them to reprint it.

Thirdly, there's some bits you should have cleaned up but didn't, like the large stain under "St. Paul's". Since we're taking the background to pure white *anyway*, this should be easy to fix.

Finally, after that, you'll need to fix the blurriness on the bottom half of "Cor. Third & Congress Sts." - Tip: if you've taken the background to white, as suggested above, you can cheat this easily: Just apply a few careful levels adjustments to darken it a bit, and it'll look less blurred! A slight sharpen (do not over do this) will complete the fix.

You've done a good job with a very bad scan; a little more and you'll have finished a good restoration. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 22:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. I did the scan today with my home printer/scanner, which I brought to the historical society. I scanned at 600dpi, mainly because I have to hold the old (1880s) book on the scanner, and hold it still. I wish the images I wanted were on pages that had fallen out... Considering the image is in the PD, I don't see how CC-BY-SA is relevant; it's a book from 1880? I think I'll start turning them B&W rather than deal with the weird yellowing, which my scanner doesn't seem to be a fan of. I'll have a few more in a few days and will let you know. The hardest part is that these are in books that I can't deface, so I have to deal with the blur of the page getting into the spine sometimes... a crop is (unfortunately) sometimes necessary. Thanks again for the response. upstateNYer 23:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I can't tell yet because of the problems at Commons. Daniel Case (talk) 02:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Aww that's annoying. Even I can see the downsampled version. :-( upstateNYer 03:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Now I can. Not bad. Daniel Case (talk) 02:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
Hmm. Have a read of Commons:Help:Scanning - it's from back before the file size limit increased, so some of the dpi values and such may be a little low, but it may help you get a better scan to work from. For instance, cleaning your scanner might make your job easier, and it's possible the yellow streaks were caused by bad autolevels settings - too much brightness or too high contrast, namely - which turning autolevels off or tweaking the scan settings would fix. Also, push down as firmly as the book's state will allow on the cover: You'll get a better result from it. =) Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:20, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, if you do get a better scan, save before you start on the colour adjustments: There's some tricks I can teach you. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 03:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Closing of Female Hardhead

Hi UpstateNYer,

Can you have another look at Wikipedia:Featured_picture_candidates/File:Female_Hardhead_duck.jpg - I think it's meant to be a promote. Thanks, --Fir0002 00:58, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

My bad; I'll fix it tomorrow. upstateNYer 05:34, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Don't worry, I made the same mistake recently: When people start indenting funny, it's easy. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 05:46, 17 July 2009 (UTC)


Greetings UpstateNYer,

I guess I'm a bit dense (or one simply cannot teach this old dog new tricks), but the Rollback icon refuses to appear on my userpage, after numerous attempts. Any assistance would be appreciated. Wishing you the best of the day,--Lyricmac (talk) 01:39, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Should be good now. upstateNYer 01:50, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Where is it? Am I blind? Do I need to adjust any settings?--Lyricmac (talk) 02:01, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Top right corner if you're using the default skin. upstateNYer 02:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh-kay. Now, what is a default skin? I thought that I knew english.--Lyricmac (talk) 02:12, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

The skin you use that you can change in your preferences. The default is called Monobook. upstateNYer 02:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks-I had the 'classic' skin enabled and had absolutely no idea-the icon does not appear there.--Lyricmac (talk) 02:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I learned a new trick after all-many thanks.--Lyricmac (talk) 02:31, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Trumbull painting co-nom

Ok. I'm game. Let's do it! It's what the founding fathers would have wanted (I always say that when I blow things up and drink beer on the 4th of July, lol). I've never withdrawn an FPC nomination before; I hope that won't be difficult. Also realize that this is the first picture out of my many, many nominations that has had at least a bleak light of hope at the end of the tunnel. This withdrawal will not be easy for me, with such a rare, rare victory so close in sight. However, you have nudged me into seeing the larger picture (one I should have considered from the beginning, to be frank about it). I'll get down to the dirty work right away.--Pericles of AthensTalk 05:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

It's completely up to you. To withdrawl, all you have to do is type I am withdrawing this nomination or something like that. I'll do the rest, as I do with all the other noms. As for a passing FPC, I predict (tho no promises) that this featured set will pass too... and that's 7 images. upstateNYer 05:08, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Sir, the deed is done! I have decided to act boldly and have withdrawn my nomination. Let's get to work...and cross our fingers. Cheers.--Pericles of AthensTalk 05:13, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I just fixed the incredibly terse description and other info for this image File:Surrender of Lord Cornwallis.jpg, which beforehand had only the title of the painting and the source given in a link. Quite pathetic, but now it looks ok. It's certainly a start!--Pericles of AthensTalk 06:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Okay; don't do anything with a nomination quite yet. I'll start that later today and you can spruce it up based on how you feel it came out. upstateNYer 11:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I won't jump the gun, sir! Trust me. Just alert me when you are ready, and I'll sign my name behind yours as a co-nominator. Regards.--Pericles of AthensTalk 16:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
So, when do you want to get down to work with the paintings in the United States Capitol rotunda? So far I've tweaked with one of the images which had very little description on its page.--Pericles of AthensTalk 18:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, went on a last minute weekend vaca and haven't been around since Friday night. I'll get on that tonight. upstateNYer 21:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
That's OK, take your time. Just alert me when you're ready to co-nominate. Regards.--Pericles of AthensTalk 04:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Okay, go for it. upstateNYer 05:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Bad-ass! I just put my "John Hancock" on the bulleted line below yours; we are ready to rock-n-roll. I have high hopes for this set; I can't wait for it to pass! An excellent tribute to American history and American art. Cheers buddy.--Pericles of AthensTalk 06:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

We got our first support! Check it out.--Pericles of AthensTalk 01:15, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Things aren't looking too good. I'm starting to wish that I had not pulled my original nomination out of the race track.--Pericles of AthensTalk 19:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to provide further input on desysop proposal

As someone who commented either for or against proposals here, I would like to invite you to comment further on the desysop process proposal and suggest amendments before I move the proposal into projectspace for wider scrutiny and a discussion on adoption. The other ideas proposed on the page were rejected, and if you are uninterested in commenting on the desysop proposal I understand of course. Thanks! → ROUX  04:27, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Possible image for restoration

Thanks for the offer of assistance and I hope you don't mind me taking you up so quickly. Here is an image that I think is a very good one of Jimmie Doolittle (WWII Pilot, General and Medal of Honor recipient) but might need some restoration for the areas where its too white (not sure what the term is but I think you'll understand File:JimmyDoolittle.jpeg. Please let me know if you would prefer me to submit it to the image lab instead.--Kumioko (talk) 15:46, 21 July 2009 (UTC)


Hey UpstateNYer, Just though I'd drop you a suggestion. After closing nominations at FPC, and while leaving a msg on the user's talk page, IMO it would be better if you could have the subject link to the nomination as MER-C used to do. Anyway, keep up the good work --Muhammad(talk) 16:10, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Aww, how impersonal. :( Hehe, I can do that if you prefer. upstateNYer 16:13, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Downtown Albany Historic District pics

OK, UpstateNYer, now that I've finished that article (more or less) you might want to see about taking pictures of all the redlinked NRHP properties and the other buildings listed under significant contributing properties, save the Kenmore Hotel. The Coulson and Wing buildings would be especially important. Also, get one of that row being worked on at 136–40 State Street (or whatever it is) mentioned near the end of the history section. Daniel Case (talk) 02:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It has recently come to my attention that 48 Hudson Avenue (currently a dilapidated shell of a building) may actually be the oldest house in Albany, at least the original parts of it may be a few years older than the Quackenbush House. Could you get a photo of it if you are downtown anytime? It is within the area where they are planning on building the new convention center, if they ever actually build it I'm afraid what may happen to the building. Even if they keep it and renovate it, it may be nice to have a photo of what it looked like now.Camelbinky (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I answered your question on my talk page. I was also wondering if you could take a look at Kenmore Hotel, I just finished it up enough to put it from a sandbox to an article.Camelbinky (talk) 02:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
I just wanted to stop by and see if you ever solved the problem of getting 48 Hudson Ave to show up? Take your time on the photo if you have more pressing things to deal with. If I hear it is to be demolished you'll be the first one I tell! I unfortunately cant find any definitive info on the Patroon's birth/death, you'd think it would have been a big deal when he died! But right now I'm trying to nail down some definitive details on if 48 Hudson or the Quackenbush House is the oldest house in Albany. I'd like something better than "the Albany Historic Foundation says parts of 48 Hudson Ave may be older than the Quackenbush House" which even though the AHF is an authoritative source the wording is wishy-washy. Unfortunately with every source written since the Patroon's Manor House on North Pearl St. was moved to Massachusetts (in 1893) the Quackenbush House has been stated as being the oldest house in the city. So, its hard to contradict 100s of sources written over some 100 years or so.Camelbinky (talk) 21:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I should be good on the location. I'm adding more sources to show the disagreement with both the birth year and death year for Van Rensselaer. It does strike me as odd that his death isn't better recorded. I have three years for both birth and death. That astonishes me. upstateNYer 21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


Great job! If you and Daniel Case keep up at this pace there wont be anymore Capital District articles left to work on. I wouldve loved to have worked on that article it is an interesting topic and I hope you enjoyed working on it. I've started a sandbox for the Albany Lumber District at Wikipedia:WikiProject Capital District/lumbersandbox, it's still a work in process but if you dont mind taking a look at it and leave comments or add what you know or fix whatever you find I would appreciate whatever help you have time to do. I've got pretty much just a bunch of facts right now. I think it might merit a DYK once it's ready for being an article.Camelbinky (talk) 20:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Just so you know, pretty much any new or expanded article wa