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Replied again. SilverserenC 08:57, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Need advice

The best thing to do would be to double-check with the {{ct}} template linked here. It allows for detailed yearly breakdowns of teams and their names. As you say, Tinkoff[template problem] comes out like that for 2012, but for 2004 for instance, it comes out as Team CSC. A fuller cite is the best way to go; you have no idea how much it gripes me when people don't complete a full reference! Craig(talk) 20:42, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, complete enough indeed. Basically, work relates to the name of the publication that ran the item, while publisher relates to the publisher that publishes the news source. So for example, Cycling News would be the work in the template, and Future Publishing Limited would be the publisher. Hope that's been clarified! Craig(talk) 07:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Looks good, if I'm honest! Sometimes it's a lot more draining to edit here than anywhere else, but you get over it after a while! Persondata relates to this initiative here. Sadly, I've not caught the race at all; with me working during the day, it's much harder to catch races during the week. I'm only doing Tour de Romandie results via articles themselves without seeing any of the race so far. I only saw Wiggins' sprint for victory yesterday evening, so it's a bit tougher to do results and that when you're catching it late... Craig(talk) 15:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
I did start to watch the stage last night, but I was slowly dropping off while watching it; not due to the stage of course, but just due to a busy day beforehand. I'll probably give it a second attempt later on. Sometimes I'll have a few wiki tabs open, and kinda negates the timeframe of which I can start stubs in. It's usually between half an hour to an hour, depending on the availability of results into the palmares. Speaking of which, I usually only include the stage winners to them, for single-day races the top ten and the top ten at the end of each stage race. By all means add some text, but all depends of the race's prestigiousness. Craig(talk) 07:33, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
This time I did catch the finish live, and what an incredible finish it was. Improbable, unlikely, but amazing nevertheless! Craig(talk) 09:02, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, seems like you did make a nice job of it! Sometimes, I've always found it hard to do prose on the continental tour races; usually only have the gusto to do the World Tour races, but if a continental race is televised over here, I'll do a report on here; e.g. 2011 Tour of California and 2011 Tour of Britain. Yeah, I'm looking at the GC standings on Cycling Quotient right now; I notice there's 3 KTS members in mid-placings, and then 3 at the very bottom of the standings. Near one-man effort, indeed!
Ah, no problem. Always try my best to answer everyone's queries, if they wish to query anything! Especially with the Giro not starting until Saturday, I've now got some extra time for the rest of the week to just relax; recharge from the 2012 Tour de Romandie report...not bad if I do say so, considering I only saw the last two stages live, and the rest was written off report! If you ever need help, just leave a notice on my talk page, and I'll see what I can do! Craig(talk) 17:57, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:Weird problem

Only replying to this now, because this appears to be the first bit of free time that I've had in the past 15 hours! That race appears to be a criterium, which should generally be avoided in Palmares section. I certainly do that. Giro's taken up a bit of the weekend; prologue was no surprise to see that Phinney won, and surprises that Cavendish won. Hesjedal has a top ten on the cards in my opinion; I'm tipping my hat towards Purito; stage winners at Tirreno and Pais Vasco (x2) as well as the win at Flèche Wallonne. If ever was the time for him to win a Grand Tour, then this is surely it. Craig(talk) 02:05, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Criteriums are just there to add unnecessary weight to a rider's article! Yeah, the first of the medium-mountain stages is Friday, while it is until the 19th when the first proper mountain stage kicks in, but then there's five of those within a week. But yeah, that report is a long one for a weekend; it's also actually smaller than the ITT! Craig(talk) 11:17, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
I could use all the help I can get for it, trust me! I must admit that a fair bit of the report will relate to the shenanigans in the final metres and the aftermath. It was a bit of a boneheaded move by Ferrari [YT it if you haven't seen the closing stages], and quite rightly relegated for it. I'll wait until the major sites have all their reports up and then work from there. Craig(talk) 17:38, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Luckily there weren't any major injuries suffered in the crash...much like the crash that skittled the field in the Vuelta when Kittel won the stage; utter madness. I'm just about to start compiling my spiel for the stage; adding to what's already there of course! Craig(talk) 19:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I've incorporated the Weylandt/Trojborg tributes together, and put that as the first paragraph. Yeah, I've heard of it; never been tempted to edit on there, mind you...I'm too serious for it, haha! Craig(talk) 22:51, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
Those previous edits did help; it gave some emphasis to some of the key events of the day, and that's why they still featured in the reports by the end. But, as mentioned below, it's good to have some help with the articles! Craig(talk) 07:45, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Not at all! What I mean is that it is definitely good to have another person type up some information about the stages, and say if you've done that before me, I'll incorporate as much as I can in my report. Hope I've made that clearer. Craig(talk) 07:17, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Just finished typing it up, in the last ten minutes. Yeah, same here...watched the sprint on YouTube as well, because of work. The only reason I got the TTT times up soonish after the stage was down to the Gazzetta website doing live times on it. Much harder to do on the mass-start stages. From what I've read about the stage, it was a long flat stage, with the usual breakaway caught with 20 to go. Then the inevitable Cav-winning sprint. Craig(talk) 21:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Not all teams are linked via the ct template; only those listed on the page, are available to transclude via the template. Bad move! Knew there was a few lumps on the parcours, but I had to follow the finish on my phone! Craig(talk) 19:30, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Before. Always before! Craig(talk) 11:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
You know, I never would have guessed that reaction... /sarcasm. ;) Craig(talk) 16:03, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
With Canadian family, I can sort of half-cheer on Canadian riders! Ha! So you can be excused from the patriotism on here! I don't know when I was going to get the chance to do it on the main article page, but I'm all for someone else doing it! I remember my first edits on here, and they weren't good, I must say...but through other people keeping a tab on me, I matured quickly enough that I'm like one of the old stagers here! I must admit, I will be keeping a keen eye on events in California, but I shall not be putting emphasis into reports for it this year...with Team Sky not getting invited to the race, it's not getting extensively covered over here, but I may watch a few stages if time allows... Craig(talk) 23:43, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
5 or 6 lines should be more than good enough; never used IRC in my life! I may do the reports of 2012 Giro on the main article page, but not too sure... There are a good few editors, but each of them seems to have their own areas! Craig(talk) 02:27, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
California page has been spruced up for your usage. Craig(talk) 20:48, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Was going to do it last night, but was falling asleep while doing the I abandoned it and waited until I had a free window to carry it out. the Giro report. Craig(talk) 20:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
Looks good. All the results will be in here, but those awards you said were already there, before I woke up! Craig(talk) 07:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Yeah, I encountered that last year. They kept getting Rabobank's Wynants and Vermeltfoort mixed up! Craig(talk) 16:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

BMC first, yeah. Giro is intriguing at the moment, rather than interesting. Purito tried to get clear yesterday, but was brought back. The Giro thing seems to be a new thing with all these crashes...I can't remember as many crashes in a whole Grand Tour, let alone the first half! Craig(talk) 07:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
Hilly? Lumpy? Medium-mountain? Undulating? Craig(talk) 09:30, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
The reason why I changed it to Month-Day-year, is due to the fact that the USA writes its dates like that. See here; only the USA and Belize strictly use that date style. Anywhere else, the Day-Month-year way is acceptable, but with the USA, it's different. Also... Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttttttttttttttttttttttoooooooooooooooooo!!!! ;) Craig(talk) 09:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

In re: Giro recap page

Try to keep the editorializing out of it. Stick to the facts, and what's in RS's. Furthermore, that sentence you added about the team time trial coming up really didn't add anything anyway, since the next section was for the team time trial - anyone reading the article knows that's the next stage (and ideally, it should be mentioned in the lead, too, but there's no problem with waiting to ride the lead until the Giro or at least the first half has been completed).

That said, I am EXTREMELY happy to see someone besides just the overworked and underpaid Cs-wolves (how does he do it?!?) taking up the mantel of writing cycling prose. I was the principal author for every Giro article from 2007 to 2011, all of them GA or better. If you guys are enthusiastic enough, I know you can keep up the great work! Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 04:54, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Re: Giro

Personally, I've not been adding them. Other users have been adding them via the Flickr website. Basically, there are only a few licences that allow for pictures to be uploaded on Wikimedia Commons. Here explains which type of licence is allowed. Personally, I have used a tool called Flinfo on there in the past, for some photos. Craig(talk) 20:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Sadly, I was awaiting that...oh well, still the Stelvio to come! Craig(talk) 00:44, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Ever since the start of the race, the course has suited Rodríguez. Whether or not he wins the race is another matter...but I tell you something, it'll be a surprise if he doesn't win it. I can imagine the hysteria about it over there; even when Wiggins and Froome were battling with Cobo at last year's Vuelta, the British media were getting antsy...and this was with a week to go! Pozzovivo could always spring an attack at some point, like he did earlier in the race. Not paid or work for Wiki; just here a long time... Craig(talk) 09:11, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Okay, he didn't need the Stelvio just yet... Craig(talk) 16:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Hopefully you can view the last 50 minutes of the stage here. Not in English...sounds like Russian though. Craig(talk) 19:26, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Ouch, sounds sore! Not for many years; genuinely don't have the time to do so nowadays... Craig(talk) 01:10, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I think he left the stage to Rabottini; with there being no bonuses on the finish, the only merit for Rodríguez to take the stage would be to close down Cavendish in the points classification. Shouldn't be a problem at all; I remember doing the 2012 Tour Down Under write-ups after the race had finished, due to a busy schedule; did the six stages over about three it can be done late! WP:GA is your friend in relation to good articles; in lay-man's terms, it is to the article sufficiently written and referenced. For instance, 2011 Vacansoleil-DCM season is one that I worked upon to get up to GA. You may have noticed the GA checker on my user page; that's to keep a track of the 2011 articles and how well the process to get them all to GA is going. That's the size of the task. Craig(talk) 09:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
I must admit, I read this at 3am, having woken up from a short sleep; read it, and then fell asleep again. Typical! Sadly, I didn't see it, but I saw the finish on YouTube later yesterday evening. Today's stage has the hallmarks of a sprint finish, but we'll see...I'm almost tempted to say that the breakaway might survive, like they did on Tuesday. I still believe that it is Purito's race to lose; but that he also has to put time into Hesjedal. The time trial is absolutely pan flat, and the only occasion in which both riders have taken part in the same time trial this year was the Pais Vasco, and the final day hilly TT in Onati; Rodríguez was 6th to Hesjedal's 52nd. Last year's Pais Vasco also had a less hilly TT, where Hesjedal (23rd) beat Rodríguez (33rd) by 16 seconds. All to play for still... Craig(talk) 13:01, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
Of course, there's always Guardini to throw a spanner in the works... Craig(talk) 14:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

2012 Tour of California

Thanks for correcting some stuff on 2012 Tour of California. Having someone double-checking stuff really helps, feel free to do so again! Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 03:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Nothing, I'm writing the 2012 Tour of California French page when I saw this mistake. Anthony59999 (talk) 07:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Je parle francais aussi mon ami! Ne vous gênez pas pour copier notre "table". Je suis moins actif du côté francais par contre. Mattaidepikiw (Talk) 03:41, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Ok ça marche, pas de soucis. Anthony59999 (talk) 11:50, 20 May 2012 (UTC)


One second per kilometre. All he needs... De Gendt only needs to take 1' 47" out of Hesjedal too... This final maglia rosa could go one of three directions. One unbelievable finish on the cards. Craig(talk) 10:54, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Best Grand Tour in recent years, without doubt. 16 seconds over 91 hours of racing is hardly a defeat; just a lack of time bonuses in the mountain, and it would've been wholly different. California looks good; now rated as a C. As that race is a 2.HC, we can see that the next one of those actually starts today through 3 June, the Tour de Luxembourg. After that, it's back to the World Tour with the Critérium du Dauphiné from 3 to 10 June. Craig(talk) 11:17, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
On the talk page of the article, or like me, if you have the Modern skin (as located in the preferences), it tells me just below the article option line. Craig(talk) 13:39, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Cycling/Assessment. Not at all. Craig(talk) 19:18, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Re:Crit. du Dauphiné

I would've probably typed up something similar on Saturday afternoon; I have other plans for Saturday evening, and for obvious reasons, I wouldn't've written up then! Sure, let's totally do that collaboration. Of course, the Dauphiné will overlap the Tour de Suisse for its final two stages, so that may be something to bear in mind. Similar to how it was for Paris-Nice & Tirreno-Adriatico. Craig(talk) 20:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Seems fair to me! Asperger syndrome; have fun reading through all of that! Craig(talk) 01:15, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
You'd be surprised to know that I really don't have any repetitive interests...unlike what that article stipulates! Mind you, I don't have a severe case of it, unlike other people that I have came across. Craig(talk) 15:49, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
Don't worry about it! Just about got the first two stages done despite a slow-moving laptop...driving me mental! Craig(talk) 00:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
The start helped; gave me a boost into what I was going to write. Schleck looks woeful; he won't feature highly in the Tour if he continues like that. That said, he may not feature highly due to the time trialling distance in the race. Hesjedal will top-5 I think; Evans and Wiggins look too good for him on current form. Craig(talk) 02:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Hesjedal finished seventh in the 2010 Tour at the time, which of course became sixth after Contador's results were annulled. The Giro is, in my opinion, the toughest of the three Grand Tours, so I'm sure he'll be right up there. But of course, you have the other main favourites such as Wiggins, Evans, Nibali, as well as Gesink and Van Den Broeck. Hesjedal doesn't even feature in the top 15 of the betting for the race! I've actually been watching the stages, and writing off the reports; for a change, I haven't had to look back a second time at the videos so far! Yeah, I got caught by that the categorised finish; it wasn't clear on the hill on the stage itinerary, but it's actually beside the finish location. Mind you, I did check Steephill after that to double-check and got the climb there. Craig(talk) 12:33, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
It's not bad, considering the last two write-ups were done hurriedly due to football matches being on that evening! Do whatever you can, but it will be a wait for the next 2.HC race...Qinghai Lake is the next one of those from 29 June to 12 July, with 12(?!) stages, or you have the Tour of Austria from 1 to 8 July. Sky looked good...really good. But the Tour will be different, and not so easy. Especially when you add in Cavendish to the team and Eisel no doubt. That nine will be going for yellow and green. Craig(talk) 01:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Of course they are useful...the only edits that aren't useful are those by IPs...most of them are just slanderous and unhelpful. Craig(talk) 20:42, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

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Re:"Peaceful week"

Oh, it's good to have some down-time after the glut of World Tour races; worked out that for the Dauphiné and Suisse races...I had written a race report each day for two weeks. Only hit 12 days during the Giro, and 9 for Paris-Nice/Tirreno-Adriatico. So yeah, you bet I'm glad to have a free week. I suppose the national championship results have been the only thing for the week for putting up; but there's no need for reports for them...just log the new jersey-holders and that's that. Yeah, that'd be fine; I know that for next Saturday & Sunday, I'm highly unlikely to get the write-up done quickly with other circumstances, but it is only a prologue and a first road stage of five fourth-category climbs, via the Belgian province of Luxembourg (yep, that's a new one to me), including the finish into Seraing [or in other words, practically a stone's throw from Liege]. Any help is much obliged; ten days to the first rest day after the start, so my wording will probably end up getting laboured by the time Tuesday 10/7 comes. Haha, that is quite funny, I have to admit. Definitely a mix of 2010 and 2011 events combined into that there article. Craig(talk) 01:56, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

It's difficult to put into words the exact nuances of it; let's just leave it at that. Ah yes, Boonen's Paris-Roubaix handed to him on a platter. Still can't believe he held off the front by a minute and a half that day. Ridiculous. Craig(talk) 02:45, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
14 wins and counting for Sagan in 22...frighteningly good. But Spartacus did well to shadow him all the way to the line. The links you'll need for the Tour are here and here. On an aside, Dauphiné got assessed as a B! Craig(talk) 17:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
Not necessarily; it all depends on the writing. Take the cycling good articles; 2011 Veranda's Willems-Accent season is one of them, despite them only contesting continental races...and it wasn't an article that should've been started in the first place...but I had to save it, and look where it got. [Not boasting at all.] Then there's Stefan Bellof, a deceased Formula One driver and Hannes van Asseldonk, a current Formula Three driver. Changed the look of them, and look what they are now, to what they were. The writing is the focus...not its credibility. But it does have to have some notability. Usually limit to Continental races, rather than national events or criteriums. Craig(talk) 17:48, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
He's tenth overall; he was ninth on the stage, just behind team-mate Dan Martin. Vaughters has already stated that Ryder is the man for Garmin at the Tour, rather than Vande Velde. The Tour is between just two riders, in my opinion: Cadel Evans and Bradley Wiggins. TTs = Big favourites. Craig(talk) 18:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)


I think Greipel would have taken him, if he hadn't fell earlier in the stage. Apparently, he popped his shoulder out in the spill...not bad to finish second after that. Sagan is having a ridiculous Tour so far. I can see Cavendish pulling out to preserve himself for the Olympics. He's 80 points behind Sagan already...almost two whole stage victories... Garmin had absolutely no luck this week; Farrar fell four times, Danielson dislocated the shoulder before today's shenanigans; Millar, Summie and Hunter all with a few spills either. The only real highlight for them was Farrar trying to knock seven bells out of Veelers yesterday! Craig(talk) 18:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, Hendo tweeted about it after the finish; obviously I can't use the tweet itself as the reference per se, but I'm sure I can sniff around the websites and loft it from there. Adrenalin to the max for the "Gorilla". Yeah, I saw the expansion. I think there needs to be a sub-section for the Tour de Suisse in 2012 as well; you've got the 5 at the ATOC and 3 (so far, we know!) at the TDF. He got 4 at the Suisse, including that shock win over Spartacus in the time trial. Millar believes that Hesjedal is out of the Tour, but of course, we won't know until the start tomorrow whether or not he remains. Just to think that all of the team, bar Zabriskie (in the breakaway) and Danielson (abandonment), came in that group to lose 13 minutes on the day. Absolutely wild. Craig(talk) 19:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Yep, didn't take too long to find one of the popped shoulder. Craig(talk) 19:26, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Tomorrow's stage looks remarkably similar to the Super Besse stage of last year; although there are only 3 climbs to la Planche compared to 4 to Super Besse (despite that being a cat-3 to 1275m!, compared to 1035m cat-1!). Rui Costa might be one to watch, after his Suisse win and of course, he won Super Besse last year. Actually been to both Quebec City and Montreal on several occasions; a lot easier when you have family about an hour's drive from Montreal! Craig(talk) 20:53, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I certainly remember walking down le Grande Allée on several occasions; of course, that's where the finish of the GP du Quebec is in September, although I've only been over to Canada in June and July ever. Also remember having something to eat in one of the many restaurants on the Côte de la Fabrique. And the Chateau sticks out of course! Craig(talk) 21:20, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Well, it only took about four hours but the Stage 6 report is up, and ready for references to be picked from! Haha. Craig(talk) 02:29, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
20 edits?! Pfft... ;) Craig(talk) 00:48, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Pinot's victory was awesome, and Marc Madiot was even more awesome. Then Wiggins killed it in the ITT. 2 minutes clear going into the Alps...oh boy, big buffer. Meanwhile in Poland, another Liquigas star in the making with Moser winning today. If in doubt of any results, use Cycling Quotient. Lot of results there too. Craig(talk) 00:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Fuglsang on Bruyneel pretty much! I'm sure he will be heading back to Saxo for '13. Nibali's got a good chance to take back time tomorrow; Grand Colombier seems a good descender for him, but whether he keeps it to the end however... just think Wiggins will win. His words after Sunday's stage were priceless; if you get a chance to hear them, it's a must-hear. Craig(talk) 01:17, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Honestly, I would love to see a British rider win, in the same way that you Canucks got one at the Giro; we've never had one, and boy do we need one! Whether it is Wiggins or Froome, I don't really mind. Sounds like a good idea! Craig(talk) 13:30, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Cycling needs its outspoken characters, and Wiggins is one of them. Froome's doing the exact same as what it occurred in last year's Vuelta. He was stronger in the mountains than Wiggins, although the team is built around the latter. That said, Sky blew the race apart today. I can't remember a Tour de France, at just after halfway, with the tenth-placed rider being almost NINE minutes behind. I've done the report of eleven already [stage report no. 92 of the season!] and heading on to the Polish stage. Another cyclo-crosser coming good on the road! Craig(talk) 21:41, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Instead of attack, attack today, it was more a case of a tack attack. Absolutely ridiculous shenanigans on the final climb today. Absolutely shameful antics. Sky had to neutralise in it; extreme circumstances and nobody wanted to benefit. Another flat before the rest and the big Pyrenees stages. Craig(talk) 02:20, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Didn't Ontario and Quebec just have a heatwave last week?! Oh how the weather changes... Craig(talk) 11:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Ah, I see... I really should have looked at The Weather Network prior to asking! Craig(talk) 15:15, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Bloody hell! I remember when I was over last summer, there was a nasty thunder-storm on the same night that the stage collapsed at LeBreton Flats...knocked out the power for four hours on a Sunday night. I was watching the Rays-Red Sox game, 0-0 in the first when the power went was 0-0 in extra innings when power was back! 1:54 am it finished, an hour after the power came back. Awful game. Craig(talk) 16:22, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
No...I was watching the game on TSN! All depends on the B-sample I guess...much like the FSchleck incident. Craig(talk) 19:39, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Re:Dead links

There are two options in all honesty; the first is to remove it altogether, or the second and more feasible way, is to find another ref that displays the same information as the original ref should have done. The Hurel thing was not to provide confusion; 2009–2010 would've made it out that Hurel was there for two full seasons as a stagiaire, rather than August to the end of the season in two successive seasons. Olympic RR was good, and a surprise in itself. Urán faked, and Vino took full advantage... Craig(talk) 07:00, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Nooooo! Urán faked to the right, and moved to the left...and was caught out by Vino's attack down the right! If the race was bought, it would be an utter disgrace. Craig(talk) 17:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Conspiracy theorists...terrible. Craig(talk) 19:06, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Article looks good to me. I believe CyclingArchives has a copyright for its photos, so I would think you cannot upload photos to here. Luckily, there appears to be a few images on Flickr that are able to be transferred across, as per here. Craig(talk) 00:34, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Not every image. Just those with the licences in the second link. Craig(talk) 00:35, 1 August 2012 (UTC)