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WikiCup 2012 June newsletter


Apologies for the lateness of this letter; our usual bot wasn't working. We are now entering round 4, our semi-finals, and have our final 16. A score of 243 was required to reach this round; significantly more than 2011's 76 points, and only a little behind 2010's 250 points. By comparison, last year, 150 points in round 4 secured a place in the final; in 2010, 430 were needed. Commiserations to Pool A's Minas Gerais igordebraga (submissions), who scored 242 points, missing out on a place in the round by a whisker. However, congratulations to Pool B's Conradh na Gaeilge Grapple X (submissions), whose television articles have brought him another round victory. Pool A's Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) came second overall, with an impressive list of biological did you knows, good articles and featured articles. Third overall was Pool D's New York City Muboshgu (submissions), with a long list of contibutions, mostly relating to baseball. Of course, with the points resetting every round, the playing field has been levelled. The most successful Pool was Pool D, which saw seven into the final round. Pool B saw four, C saw three and Pool A saw only the two round leaders.

A quick note about other competitions taking place on Wikipedia which may be of interest. There are 13 days remaining in the June-July GAN backlog elimination drive, but it is not too late to take part. August will also see the return of The Core Contest- a one month long competition first run in 2007. While the WikiCup awards points for audited content on any subject, The Core Contest about is raw article improvement, focussing heavily on the most important articles on Wikipedia. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) 11:01, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 02 July 2012

Ward Morehouse III

Stivemeister (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)June 29, 2012

Dear Matthew --

Would you please be so kind as to tell me specifically which references within the above subject you feel aren't 'reliable sources'? The Christian Science Monitor? Playbill? The New York Times review by legendary critic John Rich? I'm flummoxed here. Mr. Morehouse has provided source references establishing work he's authored and the publications in which his work appears. Independent reviews of his books are legitimate and searchable for authenticity.

I can communicate with Mr. Morehouse to supply replacements for those you feel are illegitimate, but unless I know specifically which one aren't cutting muster with you, this turns into an unnecessarily time consuming effort. Please detail the specific bad ones, so that they can be replaced with ones that meet the criteria.


Stivemeister (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)StivemeisterStivemeister (talk) 17:07, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Stivemeister! Welcome to Wikipedia!
Ummm... you don't cite any sources whatsoever. Because your article is about a living person, every fact has to have a source (per our biographies of living persons policy). Reliable sources include newspapers and books. For information on how to cite your sources, please see this page.
Feel free to reply below if I can be of more help. ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 02:13, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Stivemeister (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC)July 1, 2012

Aren't the references I input using the "cite web" templates and the named reference tools also the reliable sources? Or are you saying that in addition to these, they must also be listed as reliable sources through a different toll here?

Stivemeister (talk) 20:58, 1 July 2012 (UTC) Stivemeister

There's still a problem with your references, though. You're missing some critical code that actually makes your references display:

== List of Space Stations ==

Hi Matthew.  Great work on the [[List of space stations]] article, and working to get it to ''Featured List'' quality!

I've poked around, made a few minor changes, and left a couple of comments, and upped the priority to the Spaceflight Wikiproject.

Hope to see you get it to FL soon!

Cheers, [[User:N2e|N2e]] ([[User talk:N2e|talk]]) 03:41, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

: Thanks for the help and encouragement! ~[[User:Matthewrbowker | <font color="#990000">Matthewrbowker</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Matthewrbowker | <font color="#00aaaa">Talk to me</font>]]</sup> 18:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
== Reliable Source (again) ==

[[User:Stivemeister|Stivemeister]] ([[User talk:Stivemeister|talk]]) 16:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)July 5, 2012

Dear Matthew, I've not heard back from you yet about my last question.  I thought that the sources I cited (indicated by the bracketed numbers super-scripted at the appropriate points) were the reliable sources. Are you saying that there is something additional I must do to qualify these as reliable sources?  Please advise a.s.a.p

Thank you.

[[User:Stivemeister|Stivemeister]] ([[User talk:Stivemeister|talk]]) 16:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)Stivemeister

: ''' Responded above''' - Sorry, I've been having internet problems. ~[[User:Matthewrbowker | <font color="#990000">Matthewrbowker</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Matthewrbowker | <font color="#00aaaa">Talk to me</font>]]</sup> 18:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
== References ==

Once you add that to the bottom of your article, I'll be able to check your references. But not until then. Thanks, ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 18:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, Matthew! That was it! It's always the little things. isn't it? And this time, I hope I've passed the audition!

Stivemeister (talk) 23:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)Stivemeister

It is indeed. I've looked at your article, and I've found the problem: about half of your sources were written by Mr. Morehouse. This is a problem, because sources written by the subject aren't reliable sources. Since Mr. Morehouse appears to still be alive, he falls under our biographies of living people policy, which requires reliable sources for every statement given in the article.
Please feel free to ask any other questions you may have. ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 14:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
P.S. Is there any chance we can keep the thread going under this heading, please? I'm getting hopelessly confused when new headings are added. Thanks so much, ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 14:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Page for Dr. Peter S. Hersh, M.D.


In April, 2012 I submitted a wikipedia page for Dr. Peter S. Hersh, M.D. but it was rejected. Would you be able to assist me in ways to fix my submission for approval? I appreciate any feedback you can offer.


Stacey Lazar — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Stacy! Welcome to Wikipedia! I'm sorry I haven't been able to reply before now, I've been having some internet problems.
The problem with your article is your sources. Almost all of your sources are written by Dr. Hersh. Wikipedia requires reliable, third party sources in order to verify the information. This is especially true for Dr. Hersh, because he's a living person and therefore falls under our biographies of living people policy.
In order for the article to be accepted, I'd strongly recommend that you find third party sources, like newspapers, to verify the information in the article. Good luck! ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 14:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 09 July 2012

Quantile Framework for Mathematics-Article rejection


My recent article has been reject now for the second time. I have made several edits, but the conclusion every time by the reviewer is that it sounds "too much like an advertisement."

Could you please help me to get this page approved, I would really appreciate any suggestions you may have.

Thank you for your help.

CBianco84 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbianco84 (talkcontribs) 14:21, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, CBianco84! Welcome to Wikipedia!
I looked at your article, and my thoughts are this:
  • We don't care how the process works, instead focus on the history of the process.
  • Waaaaay too much detail. Wikipedia is an overview, not a thesis.
  • The article will most likely go over the heads of most casual readers. Maybe "dumb" the article down a little?
These are the thoughts off the top of my head. Feel free to ask for clarification at any time. ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 03:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Rehearsal Club entry

Hello Matthew, I've made some simple revisions. Let me know THANKS L — Preceding unsigned comment added by LorrSG (talkcontribs) 23:58, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, LorrSG! Welcome to Wikipedia!
I looked over your article, it does appear to be improved drastically. It also appears that you've re-submitted it successfully. Good luck! ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 03:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Ward Morehouse III

Stivemeister (talk) 17:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)July 10, 2012

Matthew -- Thank you for your feedback. But, it puts me in a quandry. The articles and books were written by Mr. Morehouse, he is a newspaperman, reporter, playwright, and author. These reporting sources come from the archives of those newspaper publications delineated within his biography and establish that he did, indeed write for them, as his byline on those articles establish, along with the masthead and ability to cruise through the publication's web site to establish authenticity. How else can a reporter make a claim, at Wikipedia, of working for such publications as THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, etc., unless providing actual (in this case online versions) of articles he authored and was paid for by that employer? I don't know what else to do to verify his career that such places. Should I communicate with someone higher up in the Wikipedia organization about this?

Stivemeister (talk) 17:50, 9 July 2012 (UTC)Stivemeister

Ummm... in this case, "third party" trumps "playwrite" in this sense. We need sources not written by the author no matter what. The reasoning is outlined in our biographies of living persons policy.
By the way, Wikipedia has no "higher ups", everything is done by volunteers like me. You're quite welcome to solicit opinions from other experienced editors. If you'd like, I can direct you to some I trust.
And, for the last time, I'd like to ask you not to add a new section every time you reply. Please add your comments right below this comment. I'm having trouble following the conversation. ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 03:33, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Stivemeister (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)July 13, 2012 First off, I apologize for adding new sections. This isn't exactly the most user friendly site I've been at, but I think I've figured it out now. Can I replace the sources written by the author with search results within THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, et. al. listing articles written by Mr. Morehouse? In that way, it is a 3rd party (i.e., THE MONITOR) showing a listing of work within their archives done by their reporter Morehouse? Will that qualify?

Stivemeister (talk) 21:06, 13 July 2012 (UTC)Stivemeister

Yes, you did figure out the sections! Good job!
Yes, articles in the Monitor work just fine, just as long as they're not written by Mr. Morehouse. ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 21:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Holiday Inn Manila Philippines

Hello, I don’t know if I did but I may have blanked the review you had made of this article proposed for creation (I cannot find it anymore, that’s why; I am new to the reviewing process and its script, needless say). If I did so, accept my apologies and please tell me how to undo the process in case I can and need to. Hoping I didn’t cause too much wrong and anyway sorry for the trouble. Best, --Caleb Crabb 11:25, 14 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caleb Crabb (talkcontribs)

PS-I did it manually (stupid me). (Sorry for the bot that’s following me, too).--Caleb Crabb 11:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
It's all right, I still see it there. Don't worry about the old reviews, they're still stored in the page history. Good luck on the article! ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 17:04, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, --Caleb Crabb 20:49, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 July 2012

File source problem with File:1773 map of portsmouth showing the town and dock defences.JPG

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Article Feedback newsletter

Hey all!

So, big news this week - on Tuesday, we ramped up to 5 percent of articles :). There's been a lot more feedback (pardon the pun) as I'm sure you've noticed, and to try and help we've scheduled a large number of office hours sessions, including one this evening at 22:00 UTC in the #wikimedia-office connect channel, and another at 01:00 UTC for the aussies amongst us :). I hope to see some of you there - if any of you can't make it but have any questions, I'm always happy to help.

Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:36, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 July 2012

AFT5 newsletter

Hey again all :). So, some big news, some small news, some good news, some bad news!

On the "big news" front; we've now deployed AFT5 on to 10 percent of articles, This is pretty awesome :). On the "bad news", however, it looks like we're having to stop at 10 percent until around September - there are scaling issues that make it dangerous to deploy wider. Happily, our awesome features engineering team is looking into them as we speak, and I'm optimistic that the issues will be resolved.

For both "small" and "good" news; we've got another office hours session. This one is tomorrow, at 22:00 UTC in #wikimedia-officeconnect - I appreciate it's a bit late for Europeans, but I wanted to juggle it so US east coasters could attend if they wanted :). Hope to see you all there!

Welcome to the Wikipedia Ambassador Program


Hi Matthewrbowker!

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Best regards, The Interior (Talk) 04:37, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Bounce so this message isn't archived until I handle it. ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 17:56, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Ward Morehouse III

Stivemeister (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)July 27, 2012

Hi Matthew

If I've written this other than the way you prefer, I apologize. It's jut not easy for me to work with this site. At any rate, I'm curious about the last revision and submission of Ward Morehouse III for approval and inclusion which was submitted over two weeks ago (July 14th). We reached an accord on how to reference his newspaper sources and I made those changes, then submitted the article for approval. As of this writing, it is still sitting there without any status at all. Is there another problem?


Stivemeister (talk) 19:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)Stivemeister

Your article was declined again, it appears. However, I wasn't the one that declined it. I'd recommend posting a message here to talk to the person who reviewed the article the latest time. Good luck! ~ Matthewrbowker Talk to me 19:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)