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Filing report on Engleham at WP:ANI?[edit]

You seem very serious about getting that guy topic-banned. To be honest, I'm fed up with him and his antics, so he must be reported. I'd like to report him, but I already warned him about attacking other editors. --George Ho (talk) 08:46, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't see a need for a topic ban at this stage. I think page protecting and blocking if the personal abuse is over the top is sufficient at this stage. These were his first significant edits in nine months. Happy to wait and see what happens. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:23, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
He's blocked for two weeks. As you said, let's wait to see what happens. --Gh87 in the public computer (talk) 21:29, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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It seems every time I go looking for a photo for some Queensland topic, a town hall, a museum, or whatever, I find a Mattinbgn photo! I know you uploaded a lot of them some years ago, so you must have been wondering if you'd wasted your time, but I'm thrilled at the coverage of small town Queensland that you have provided. Many thanks, Kerry! Kerry (talk) 05:54, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! I wasn't concerned about wasting my time - I always thought someone would get around to using them for something sooner or later. I still have huge chunks of Queesland to cover yet though. Great work on the Queensland Heritage Register items too, by the way. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:34, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Request to use photograph[edit]

Hi Mattinbgn I love your image of the Mt Walsh National Park / mountains, which features on the Wikipedia page titled "Mt Walsh National Park". I am wondering if you would give permission for me to use the image on a website. For more information, feel free to email me direct at <redacted> Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.

Responded via email - removed email address to avoid spammers. Mattinbgn (talk) 20:07, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Australian Magpie[edit]

Is it possible to downgrade the protection from Australian Magpie? I don't think it is necessary now. © Tbhotch (en-2.5). 19:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Done! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 19:35, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Burnett River[edit]

Hello. Thank you for editing Burnett River. Would you please be able to add some embedded references? It would also be great to flesh out the subsection about the fish present in this river, if we can find sufficient information... Thank you again, and I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:57, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

I have no access to sources other that general internet searches on this topic, sorry. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 04:17, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Callide River[edit]

Hi again. Are you interested in creating a page for the Callide River in Queensland? I have very slow internet connection, so I can't look for the right references at the moment. I know you do great work with wikipedia, so I thought I would ask. Thanks.Zigzig20s (talk) 08:59, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Gender in biographies[edit]

Hi, you reverted my edit which stated the gender of a person. Don't you think it's time to include this crucial information in our biographies? I was reading an article in a newspaper which included the name of Hetty Johnston and I needed to write an article myself in a non-English language. In some non-English languages it's impossible to talk about a person (or even an unanimate thing like a table or a chair, or an abstract thing like a country or an idea) without stating their gender. It's impossible to know the gender of a person from their name, particularly in English. The issue may sound like an non-issue but it is if you write many articles in non-English languages and you have to spend 10 or 20 minutes before writing every article just to find out someone's gender. In some cases for non-famous people it was impossible for me to find out someone's gender and I had to write my non-English article guessing the gender and in more than one ocassion readers who knew the gender of the person I was referring to wrote to me saying I referred to a male as a she (or to a female as a he), but what can one do? In some non-English languages it's also impossible to say something like "gender unknown" because the gender of a person can change most of the words of a whole article, so it's not one could simply include both the male and female forms of one or two words and let the rest of the article be the same, all the words in the whole article have to change according to the gender. As I did some work searching the internet to find it out her gender, I added it to her Wikipedia article. If we don't state the gender of a person in our biographies, the only way this information is conveyed if through the use of "he" or "she" and "his" or "her", but we shouldn't rely on this grammatical feature because it can easility be lost after an editor's re-write or copyedit. Indeed, many times I've checked Wikipedia biographies hoping to see quickly a "he" or a "she" or ideally a photograph in the first paragraphs but in many Wikipedia biographies this doesn't happen, or the much-searched-for "he" or "she" is only included after many paragraphs of text or not at all, and it's prone to be removed by copyediting (or even put there by someone like me who wrongly assumed the gender of someone after failing to find it out by searching on the internet). I think the best way to avoid these problems and make Wikipedia biographies more useful is to include the gender of the person in parentheses after their date of birth, or inside their infobox if the article has one. What do you think? Would you agree with including the gender of people in their biographies and refrain from reverting such edits like mine which include this crucial and much-needed information? You can read more about why the gender of a person is important in the grammatical gender article. Cogiati (talk) 08:31, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

  • You can see another example of an article (not edited by me) which includes the gender of a person (a photographer, I'm also a photographer myself but I also write articles so I have the problem of finding out the gender of a person almost every day and it's really a serious problem for someone having to write many articles every day, don't underestimate what it's like to lose 10+ minutes before writing an article just for finding out the gender of someone!) here: Polixeni Papapetrou in which we read that "Polixeni Papapetrou (born 1960) is a female photographer from Melbourne, Australia." Would you copyedit the article to remove the word "female" in that instance? If not, then why revert an edit introducing the word "female" into another biography where such crucial and much-needed essential biographical information is not included or is only conveyed through the utilization of "she" (or "he") which can easily be lost in other editors' copyedits? We should strive to make Wikipedia more useful rather than less useful, and we do this by including all the information needed by our readers. Cogiati (talk) 08:44, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
The sex of a subject is certainly important but it should be a little more stylishly introduced than just whacking the term "female" in brackets next to the birth date. More than anything else, it reads like the subject was born female but may no longer be. What you are proposing is a rather significant change to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biographies and one I would not support. Perhaps take it up on the talk page there -- Mattinbgn (talk) 04:15, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for all your Queensland war memorial photos. I've been busy adding them to articles. Kerry (talk) 07:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! I need to get back up to Queensland with the camera again ... -- Mattinbgn (talk) 08:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

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Townsville or Townsville, Queensland[edit]

There's a proposed move of Category:Townsville to Category:Townsville, Queensland taking place here and I know this issue of primary topic vs disambiguation is usually something you have strong views about. Kerry (talk) 23:03, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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Metung Productions vs vanity posts?[edit]

Pardon my ignorance but could you check Metung's subsection on Metung Productions. My knee-jerk reaction is that this is the result of a series of vanity posts. However your expertise in small town articles may see some reason why this article has about 1/3rd of its content on this particular film group. To me the whole section is unreferenced, PoV, poorly written and fairly repetitive: I'm tempted to delete it but I'd like a second opinion. [signed very late, sorry] shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 05:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)


How would you rewrite the article in a way that makes sense now that the town no longer formally exists? I am usually a fan of separate articles, and there are plenty of examples where articles on degazetted towns still make sense (i.e. Wittenoom), but I can't see how it makes sense to maintain an article on a tiny town that no longer has a separate identity. What is your objection to merging the content into the Flowerdale article? The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


You provided a name move and disam page. So instead of a page we now have two and lots of links that need tidying up after ... And other towns of the same naming convention that haven't been moved. Should they ? --Dave Rave (talk) 05:17, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Two things - Firstly, we should always have had two pages - there should have been a redirect from the plain name "Bredbo" to "Bredbo, New South Wales" just as there is now a redirect the other way. As long as there are no double redirects, there is no urgency to "fix" the links - this can be done at someone's leisure. Therefore there is no extra page and also no extra work. Secondly, the naming convention at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Australia applies and clearly Bredbo belongs at its plain, undisambiguated name. Should the other titles similar to this be moved as well? In my view, yes, absolutely - but there is no hurry - so long as redirects from one name to the other exist, readers will find the article they are looking for. Hope this explains my actions. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:06, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Mattinbgn Photo used on Dalby page incorrect[edit]

Hi, As a longtime Dalby resident, I would like to point out that your photo that has been labelled as "Dalby War Memorial 2008" on the Dalby page is actually an obelisk erected to the memory of Joshua Thomas Bell an early MP, pioneer and landholder and is found in Bell Park at the end of Cunningham Street.The War memorial is in Patrick Street near the swimming pool and features a digger on top of a plinth. You might want to edit same.

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Thank you - you know that you are allowed to fix it yourself if you wish. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 21:02, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year Mattinbgn![edit]

Super 10?[edit]

Hello Mattinbgn, with your knowledge on these matters, I'd like to ask your help/opinion on moving "Super 10 (Southern Hemisphere competition)" page to be the primary topic at Super 10. The peak dates of 1992–97 on Google Books Ngram seems to support it's primacy.

The Super 10 page now just redirects back to it. There is a disambig page at: Super 10 (disambiguation). An Italian tournament also used the name at one time but it is now called the Eccelenza. Is requesting a multiple page move the way to go or would this be a waste of time? Thanks -- Ham105 (talk) 15:35, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

A multiple page move request at WP:RM would be the way to progress this. Gather your evidence for the move and draft up a move request. I am happy to take a look at it before you post it, if you like. Be aware that there may be some discussion about a merge with Super Rugby, although that was different altogether. Good luck! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. Hopefully nothing is missing in the code below. -- Ham105 (talk) 17:03, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Draft code for requested move
{{subst:Requested move |new1 = Super 10 |current2=Super 10 |new2= Super 10 (disambiguation) |reason = 

The international tournament within major rugby nations South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand in the 1990s should be the Super 10 primary topic. From
[ Google Books Ngram], the peak counts in the period 1992–97 supports its case for primacy.

After 2000, the Italian domestic rugby competition previously known as Serie A adopted the name for a time before being rebranded again as Eccelenza. Its wikipedia page is "National Championship of Excellence". I propose to include a hatnote on the page of the international Super 10 saying "For the Italian former Super 10, see National Championship of Excellence. For other uses, see Super 10 (disambiguation)." -- ~~~~

Australian poems category[edit]

I'm replying to your edit of the Banjo Paterson poem "Clancy of the Overflow", as I'm a bit confused about the correct approach to poems of this sort.

I added the "Australian poems" category to the page a day or so back only for it to be reverted by user Michael Bednarek who stated "Category:Australian poems is parent to Category:Poetry by Banjo Paterson". I believe the implication is that as the poem is listed under "Category:Poetry by Banjo Paterson" it isn't required to be listed under "Category:Australian poems" as that would amount to a duplication.

As I have a number of other poems that fit this category (along with others by Henry Lawson) I'd like to standardise the approach to avoid an "edit-war". Any thoughts? Perry Middlemiss (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

In fact, user JackOfOz is reverting all the category additions now. Perry Middlemiss (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Hello haven't looked at your pic yet but in the early 1950s the postmistress (of the destroyed PO just over the Crawford) baked the best gingerbread in the world. Probably need more for an article. Cheers Epistemos (talk) 11:26, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I think so! :) Was fascinating travelling around the south west. Lots of scope for new articles in that region. The Rising Sun Hotel in Hotspur could almost sustain an article on its own!. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 01:17, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguator removals[edit]

Hello Matt. I have noticed you have been altering article titles to remove "unnecessary disambiguations", such as your move from Mullumbimby, New South Wales to Mullumbimby. I am just wondering if you have consensus for these moves? Because last time I checked, the consensus was to retain the disambiguators, whether "unnecessary" or not. Gatoclass (talk) 10:20, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I suggest having a look at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Australia. "Most Australian settlement articles are at Town, State/Territory; however, the name of a city or town may be used alone if the place is the primary or only topic for that name (e.g., Sydney rather than Sydney, New South Wales). If you feel that the town is not the primary topic for "Mullumbimby", feel free to start a WP:RM stating why it isn't. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 22:35, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
That guideline language is not necessarily an invitation for moving pages from the long-accepted name, it is permissive of creating new articles at the shorter name. This was noted in the discussion on WP:AWNB by gnangarra in the last week. --Scott Davis Talk 23:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
That's unfair - I have not been bulk-naming articles and if there is any controversy I have either accepted opposition or used WP:RM. I have also largely left SA WA articles alone as I am aware that some editors there have strong pro-mandatory disambiguation views.
What I do think is wrong though is to use claims of "disruption" to derail the process of moving articles to their natural names. The discussion around disambiguation was had - and contrary to claim at AWNB, the discussion was detailed and comprehensive - and it is time to move on. Any idea that only new articles should be at undisambiguated names is nonsense - so Mungar can be at its natural name but Orroroo, South Australia let's say, created earlier, can't? (BTW, read Talk:Orroroo, South Australia) What is disruptive IMO is forcing a WP:RM discussion every time an article that has a unique name or is clearly the WP:PRIMARY topic. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:54, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
There have been several people recently moving Australian place articles around. I don't think anyone has used the term "disruption" specifically about you. There are two other editors I would consider using it for (but I don't think I have actually said it about them either, although others might have). You and I are quite possibly close to the extreme ends of the continuum of opinions, but I think we generally manage to be polite and accepting that the other has a legitimate point of view even if it's not our own. In general, I prefer precise naming of articles, while I would say you prefer concise naming. I've always described "<name>, <state>" as a qualified name, not a pre-disambiguated name, in the "fully qualified" sense that you don't really expect a kid's letter to be delivered successfully to "grandma, High Street". I chipped into this conversation from the side, from having your talk page on my watchlist, not from any specific issue about Mullumbimby. I explicitly thanked you for the WP:RM conversation about Coolangatta, since I got to that one amongst several other disputed moves that had not been discussed by their movers. --Scott Davis Talk 12:11, 15 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the explanation Matt. It seems things have changed since I last took a look at this issue. Anyhow, I am fully in favour of the removal of unnecessary disambiguators - how many towns in the world named "Mullumbimby" are there likely to be? - so you are welcome to proceed from my POV. I just wanted to be sure you were not editing against consensus. Gatoclass (talk) 13:48, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Norm Houghton (historian) AfD[edit]

Wondering if you could have a look at this article Norm Houghton (historian), and see if you have a view on its notability, which has been proposed for AfD, and if you don't think t gets there yet, whether you have any suggestions for possible sources that might help, thanks Garyvines (talk) 01:49, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

Richie Benaud[edit]

I'm not sure if you are aware that in April this year I nominated the Richie Benaud article for "Good Article" status. It took a while for the review to come though and I now find there are a number of items that need to be addressed. I'm okay with the bulk of them but a few are outside my area of expertise - particularly in terms of illustrations fitting copyright and commons requirements. As you have an interest in Australian cricket I was wondering if you'd like to join me in getting the Benaud article up to scratch, or, if not, if you could recommend someone else who might be able to help. Cheers, Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:35, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Happy to help and will take a look when I can. Also, the team at [[W{:CRICKET]] would be able to provide some advice. I suspect the photos in question are not public domain unfortunately. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 08:55, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll raise the issue with WP:CRICKET when I can, probably over the weekend when I might have a bit more time.Perry Middlemiss (talk) 22:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

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Tom Wills[edit]

Hello, I was wondering if you could assist me in constructing an FA-quality summation of Tom Wills' cricketing style and captaincy. I'm not very well-versed in the lingo and technical aspects, and couldn't hope to produce anything like the work you've done on Bill Ponsford. Also being the soul editor of the article for so long, it would be nice just to have a fresh take on things. Cheers. - HappyWaldo (talk) 04:37, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Help to contribute to actual photographers[edit]

Hi, I am using wikipedia for photographs , and have come across a few photographers that I would like to talk to, briefly , and occasionally donate money to, as well as wikipedia. I respect the work that is done on a voluntary basis, by the photographers on Wikipedia, and whilst I am a business startup, and do not have a load of money, I appreciate the work being done, and want to reward if I have any spare money, to the individual photographer, but find this hard to do. So I joined Wikipedia. I look at a lot of town and city images around the country, and around the world, on wikipedia, for my job. I can occasionally now guess a photographer before I see who took the pic :)

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New NSW Police Comissioner[edit]

Hi Mattinbgn.
I see you've updated the List of Commissioners of New South Wales Police page, with Mick Fuller.
The source says that Fuller has been 'appointed', I know I'm being picky, but isn't Scipione still the 'commish' until he retires, which is apparently on Friday? --220 of Borg 23:28, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Today is Friday, hence my edit. However, happy for you to clarify on the page if you think it is necessary. Thanks for the courtesy of discussing it with me.-- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:09, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Indeed it is, I assume they do mean Scipione retires 'this' Friday, so I'm splitting hairs a bit lot. Face-confused.svg I think when I queried, I had assumed they meant he retired 'next' Friday 10 April. Technically, perhaps, he's commish until the moment he retires, or formally hands over to Fuller. I've also updated Scipiones page, may need copyediting this evening, feel free as I may not have internet access then. Regards --220 of Borg 01:20, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Facepalm3.svg Facepalm Thanks for the fix.[1] I copied the infobox from Scipiones' page and edited it to suit, but missed the AO. --220 of Borg 05:05, 10 April 2017 (UTC)