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Back early?[edit]

) YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 06:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
No, not really. Just a quick few edits. Another week at least yet. -- Mattinbgn\talk 07:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Click go the shears[edit]

Hi Matt, above should be renamed Click Go the Shears, per WP:ALBUMCAPS. The target needs to be cleared first. Can you oblige? –Moondyne 07:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Done. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:17, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

New England[edit]

Would you please check here and make any neccessary changes and/or suggestions that you might have regarding this article. There is so much confusion over this region that the existing article needs more clarification. TIA Cgoodwin (talk) 10:01, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Victorian Champions League[edit]

The article is now un-creatable, and i reckon i have enough references to re-create this article. I think you should re-consider opening the article again. SoccerOnly (talk) 10:36 13 October 2009 (UTC)


Not leaving are you? :( YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:01, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

No, I will still be here but probably a lot less active. The main reason I decided to remove my sysop status is the message above. Not that there is anything about the message in itself that upset me, but I realised that I really did not want to go to the effort to answer his/her request properly, i.e. discuss creating an article in userspace, explain what reliable sources are etc. If I am not prepared to put the time and effort in to defend my actions as an admin (i.e. permanently protecting the article from re-creation) then I have no business acting as an administrator.
I never really enjoyed the role and only did it more out of a sense of obligation than anything. I had not performed any routine admin tasks, i.e. CSD, RPP, AfD, PROD for some time and only really used the admin tools where I happened to run into a situation in the normal course of my editing. I hope that avoiding the drudgery of admin tasks (and removing the sense of obligation that hung over my head) may rekindle my enjoyment of editing, which has taken a bit of a beating of late. Here's hoping anyway. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 03:59, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Me too. There's always Hassett... YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:05, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Just coming here to indicate I understand your reasons Matt. I hope your editing only spirit is rekindled as you expect it to be.--VirtualSteve need admin support? 20:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Back in full flight?? :) YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 20:36, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Getting there :) ... Easing my way back in, lets say. I am finding I am enjoying contributing new content. -- Mattinbgn\talk 02:27, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
That's the way! Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 03:15, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, I just saw this: its a bit belated, but welcome back from the dark-side. Your explanation above is exactly why I also handed the bit back earlier this year. It really is not a big deal and after a break I found a lot more pleasure contributing without that thing dangling above. De-watchlisting AN/I was a pleasure. –Moondyne 04:17, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Caroline Overington[edit]

Hi, could you clarify your decision on the removal of the "Election Incident" section of Caroline Overington's web page? I've tried to explain why the paragraph doesn't violate the stated rules. (talk) 21:56, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Gary McKay[edit]

It's only because the oz writers cat isn't meant to have any bios in it, as it's the super-category for all the genera-writers etc. If you can think of other sub-cats please add them, I couldn't. And yes, I'll start removing that cat 'by hand' so I can explain that in the comment. Misarxist (talk) 13:47, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Your work is currently at FTC[edit]

YellowMonkey (bananabucket) (Invincibles Featured topic drive:one left) 01:07, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Noted. A wonderful achievement just getting that all together and pleased to have added my small contribution to the project. Looking forward to seeing how it all goes. Well done! -- Mattinbgn\talk 03:12, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Kim Hughes[edit]

G'day, hope all is well. Are you going to finish off Kim Hughes? Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 23:21, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

All is pretty good and every day is a day closer to a full comeback. I will get back to KJH eventually, it would be a shame to leave it unfinished! -- Mattinbgn\talk 06:35, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
Certainly would! Great news :) Aaroncrick (talk) Review me! 06:36, 10 December 2009 (UTC)


Hi Matt,
next time a bot runs rampant, you'll get the quickest reaction if you leave a message at WP:ANI. :)
Cheers, Amalthea 10:51, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

Happy New Year! I hope you have a happy, safe and successful year. Bidgee (talk) 00:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! All the best for 2010 for you, your family and loved ones. Mattinbgn\talk 10:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Happy New Year (belated due to holidays) from me too Matt. Trust you are well. Note your continued on a break message above and assume you are still busy?--VirtualSteve need admin support? 02:05, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks Steve. Not back full-time editing yet. Out and about taking images for Commons at the moment. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 10:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing my wrong-kind-of-English mistake here. The sad part is that I noticed that my new Firefox instance didn't like "centers" and changed it to use US English (my preferred default) while editing an article about Australia ... duh. Good collaborators are wonderful. Cheers, CWC 13:16, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Happy to help. I must admit, I sometimes wonder if WP:ENGVAR is worth all the hassle ... -- Mattinbgn\talk 13:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Well, I expect American spellings to become widespread and then official in Australia within a decade or two, and eventually in Britain, at which time the problem will go away. But encyclopedias should follow changes like that, not lead them, so we're stuck with WP:ENGVAR for a while yet. (And while we're switching to their less-irrational spellings, could someone get the Americans to drop the silly month/day/year format?!) Cheers, CWC 13:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Port Vincent[edit]

Hi! It seems you were there not long after I was - I was over at Port Vincent on the 2nd. I've got a picture from the lookout overlooking the new marina, but nothing showing the beach as well as yours. - Bilby (talk) 12:52, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. My time in Port Vincent was short but I managed to get a few photos! There are plenty more photos to be uploaded from the Yorke Peninsula soon. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 13:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Nice shots. :) I've uploaded mine in case they're needed, but yours are much more useful, and I would have seen less than you - it took most of the day to sail across, due to a strong headwind, and we left early the next day to avoid some worse winds that were on the way. So I barely saw more than the marina, and the cloud cover didn't help the pictures. I did grab a shot of the beacon, but that won't help the article. :) - Bilby (talk) 14:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I was lucky in that I had gloriously sunny weather throughout my time in SA (It was, however, unbearably hot ...) perfect for taking photographs. No sooner had I crossed into Victoria than the rain came :) -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:08, 14 January 2010 (UTC)


([1]) --Dweller (talk) 11:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Bugger ... -- Mattinbgn\talk 19:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


The politics section has proven to be a bit controversial. I've reworded it to make the communist thing longer and more sedate, hopefully YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 08:27, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


We like to make it obvious down here. Aaroncrick (talk) 08:45, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
LOL! Cheers from the editor with the name of Mattinbgn\talk 08:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
Now your understood. Great to see you back! :) Aaroncrick (talk) 11:08, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Left justified images[edit]

Hi Matt...

Previous attempts to start a discussion on any 'good idea' of mine, in various articles, have not got any response, so the new tactic is to make a reasoned change and wait for a reaction. I think that the 'new' layout of the Esk article is an improvement over the 'old', and I like your placement of the smaller image in the infobox (Why didn't I think of that?) However, any reverts to the previous format in the few articles I have changed will not faze me, and I am in no hurry to do more of the same - more important things to do with my life.

Cheers Downsize43 (talk) 11:03, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of international cricket centuries by Donald Bradman/archive1[edit]

Hi there; can you follow up on your comment at this FLC? Thanks, Dabomb87 (talk) 01:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Bicycle Goals in the A-League[edit]

May be interested? Aaroncrick (talk) 06:14, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Mountain renaming.[edit]

I agree with your comments about the changing of the name of an external article, and I've reverted my edit. I have been trying to retain the "Mt" in external links, and this one must have slipped through the net. Thanks for pointing it out. Johnmc (talk) 10:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Wally Hammond[edit]

Thanks for your comments on this article. I've tried to tidy it and shorten it. I'd appreciate it if you could take another look and provide more feedback. Thanks!--Sarastro1 (talk) 22:36, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Moving articles.[edit]

moved from user:ikip

Some notice of crap like this would be apprecaited. Cut it out, now. -- Mattinbgn\talk 11:12, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Mattinbgn. Where do I begin. First of all, I am sorry. Let me move back the article, then we can talk some more. Ikip 11:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
If you want to delete unreferenced articles, there is a process. PROD, AfD, CSD etc. etc. Moves, without any notice to anyone, of articles such as Bennett King is an abuse of process. I am getting sick and tired of various groups trying to invent policies on the run, regardless of their motivation. -- Mattinbgn\talk 11:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
(ec) "I am getting sick and tired of various groups trying to invent policies on the run, regardless of their motivation. "
Oh hell. Me too! Check out Wikipedia:Petition against IAR abuse, which is based on the Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people, described below.
again, I am sorry. I appreciate your diligence in watching these pages. I don't know if you have been following crappy wikipedia politics, but there are propositions to delete 50,000 unreferenced articles, including Ben_Oxenbould, Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Biographies_of_living_people#View_by_Ikip This started when three disruptive admins deleted several hundred articles like Ben_Oxenbould. One minute those Ben_Oxenbould was there, and boom, the next minute Ben_Oxenbould was deleted. This administrators wanted to do this to the 50000 other Category:All unreferenced BLPs articles. This is the text book example of "abuse of process".
Unfortunately, at this point all unreferenced BLPs will be deleted, as a majority want them deleted.
So why did I move this page? I helped mediate a HUGE edit war over 4,000 articles last summer. We merged all the articles to stop the AFDs. We discussed the idea of incubating all of these articles, so they would be off main space, but editors could source them. We started tonight.
I did not want to delete the redirect for at least 2 days, to allow editors who are watch listing the article time to mention their concerns. But two admins counseled this would be best.
I look forward to talking with you some more about this. Again, I am sorry for any trouble I may have caused you.
Please tell me why you are so frustrated, I am interested, and maybe I can help...Ikip 11:32, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
I am not interested in getting involved with the politics swirling around unreferenced BLPs. My personal views on BLPs leans more towards the "get rid of them" side of the spectrum, but through existing policy and procedure. I deplore the out-of-process deletions made by people who views on BLPs I generally support and I wish they would stick to process. However, pre-emptive moving of articles out of mainspace to avoid deletion is a cure worse than the initial disease, insofar as it massively disrupts Wikipedia but doesn't fix the underlying issues. A defamatory claim in an unreferenced article in userspace or Wikipedia space is just as defamatory as a claim in article space, is it not. If I was running around deleting unreferenced BLPs in article space, I would not hesitate to delete these so-called "incubated" articles too, and for the same reasons. A pox on both your houses, I say. Little wonder I am happier at Commons nowadays, without the bullshit games that fester here on enwiki. -- Mattinbgn\talk 23:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Steve Dodd at FAC[edit]

Hello. Please celebrate Australia Day by checking out this article about an intriguing yet obscure Indigenous Australian, and contributing to its feature article candidate discussion, before it fails owing to a lack of reviews! Thanks. hamiltonstone (talk) 11:51, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Regions in NSW - reply[edit]

If it was nonsense I would stop. It's people like you that think that Tamworth is in North-West NSW when it is further east than Penrith. YSSYguy (talk) 22:41, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Revision of WT:CRIC[edit]

Hi Mattinbgn. A second user (an obvious second account) has reverted your change. I have to say I didn't agree with your revert at first, because I don't believe such a talk page comment should be censored just because it's critical of a fellow user's contributions (but IMO wasn't a personal attack). Nevertheless, I suspect our redlinked new friend may be the IP who instigated the SPI? What do you think? Certainly the same person as the one you reverted. SGGH ping! 16:06, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Accusations of sockpuppetry by obvious sock puppets themselves deserve little credence, especially when they are only attempting to stir up trouble. Talk pages are places dedicated to the improvement of the encyclopedia, not venues to indulge in internecine battles, especially when the battle appears on the face of it to be an off-wiki affair. I little know or care about BlackJack alternate accounts and I am not interested in participating in any such discussion. I do know, however, that the comments made by the obvious sockpuppet was a troll and only acting to disrupt Wikipedia. I chose not to give the sockpuppet the opportunity. You may consider that censorship, I say that no one has an unfettered right to post whatever they feel on a talk page. Other opinions may differ. -- Mattinbgn\talk 18:37, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Re: Miss-Jessie-gal[edit]

They just came off a 15 hour block! I've made a note at the edit warring noticeboard. Bidgee (talk) 06:35, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

And it is continuing ... sigh. -- Mattinbgn\talk 10:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Yep, I've added it to the list and also reported it to the blocking Admin, clearly MJG is just a disruptive account. Bidgee (talk) 10:22, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
They have been dealt with but still keep an eye on the page. I've been a little busy getting some panoramas done such as File:Panorama from the northern end on the lake bed of Lake Albert.jpg, which can become rather time consuming! Bidgee (talk) 12:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)


No problem, having lived near Litchfield, I do remember the talk of the changing of the LG Act. Bit of a shock with the fire bombing of the TIO Office a the CBD Plaza in Darwin yesterday though! Use to do my shopping (in Woolies) there! Bidgee (talk) 04:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Mathew Stokes[edit]

I am responding to your comments on my talk page. If you had bothered to actually take notice of my edits and my comments you would have noticed that it was me who added the citation required tags to this information about Stokes in the first place - information which is not actually in dispute but does require references. The adding of these tags is primarily intended to give editors the opportunity to add such references - it is not an invitation to just remove such comments, especially without proper explanation. As the information was removed by an anonymous editor without adequate explanation it was, I assert, perfectably acceptable to revert this edit. No indication was given that the information was removed because it was unreferenced. You seem to be interpreting the BLP policies in ways to suit yourself. If you can, please direct me to any part of the BLP policies that might clearly support your claim that my reversal of the removal of these comments was not permissible on the basis that the removed comments included citation tags - especially when the person removing the comments didn't obviously do so on this basis. Afterwriting (talk) 08:58, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Mass image uploads[edit]

Do you use a good tool do expedite it? I've got about 200 images of the Southern Stars and don't want to do it manually, which could take a few hours on this internet connection, ie cut and paste teh description, wait for 30-40 seconds to upload, back and forth, maybe longer. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 04:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I spend hours manually uploading each image and my supposed "broadband" connection may as well be two tin cans and a piece of string! It is drudgery, but at least it is mindless drudgery, so I can watch the cricket or a DVD in the background. As for tools there is Commonist or Nichalp's script. I have thought about using them but my very limited tech skills and my low level of tolerance for not being able to get things to work has put me off. I haven't used them so I can't really recommend either tool unfortunately. Can I suggest creating creating your specific categories before uploading (as specific as you can get) inside the more general parent categories. For example, I would create a category for the event with parent cats such as the ground, the teams, the cricket season etc. Commons is not as Gestapo-like about categories as here. Good luck, I look forward to seeing the images. -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
It didn't work on the first computer but is now linking up here on Commonist, which is quite easy, no installation needed, just click and opens menu. I just set the tag as "Information |Description=Named person engaging in named action at Adelaide Oval nets/training ground |Source=Photo by YellowMonkey |Date=8/9 February 2010 |Author=YellowMonkey |Permission=Own work, copyleft: Multi-license with GFDL and Creative Commons " and then cut and paste the name tags for the cats into the slot for each player then it does it all at once, presuming there's no crash YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 05:40, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Firefox does that alot (crashing)! Not as bad as Internet Explorer though! Uploading a 1mb file kills my download (browsing) and it is worse if its more (in file size).
I've got a few photos I took today yet to be uploaded but I'll be using Commonist to do that! Was ok when I was walking along the fire trail below the peak then seen a few storms to the south (lightning seen and thunder as well), tried to get a treeless spot but failed and watched it fade away as it moved towards me, so did a u turn back to were I seen another trail which took me to the almost treeless peak (swearing at myself for not using that trail in the first place).
But by the time I got there another storm was forming slightly to my south/southwest so I had to get some quick photos (See: File:360 degree panorama from the peak of Rocky Hill.jpg but pity the toolserver isn't working) however I wasn't quick enough! Just as I started to descend down the hill it started to rain and a crack of thunder over head (Worst place to be as not only is it the second highest hill but being almost treeless makes me almost the highest point) but as you can tell I got down ok but had a few close calls! I really thought it was going to be a partly cloudy day. Bidgee (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Archie Jackson[edit]

was born in Rutherglen to Scottish parents, and has a particularly Scottish first name. That counts as Scottish. I don't even see why there is an argument about this.--MacRusgail (talk) 13:05, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure they were born in Scotland and had a Scottish name and parents but he played for Australia not Scotland. Bidgee (talk) 13:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Teh Big Ship[edit]

FA one day?? YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

It's on the list (with Hughes and Giffen) when interest returns. Not sure when I will get to it ... If anyone else wanted to pick it up and run with it, I am sure I would pitch in. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 09:08, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
The renaissance is a given, I hope? YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:20, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
I hope so! I think so ... Commons is taking much of my time and energy and I am enjoying taking, editing and uploading my photos there at this stage. I do hope to get back to writing sooner or later. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 10:43, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Yes, photography is always entertaining and eddictive even when one is quite appalling at it. Had another round today with NSW and SA. YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 02:28, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Final discussion for Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people[edit]

Hello, I note that you have commented on the first phase of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Biographies of living people

As this RFC closes, there are two proposals being considered:

  1. Proposal to Close This RfC
  2. Alternate proposal to close this RFC: we don't need a whole new layer of bureaucracy

Your opinion on this is welcome. Okip 03:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

Braddles and SRT[edit]

Good thing they're locked. Some clowns think that Bodyline halving Bradman's average proves that he's a lesser batsman YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 07:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Desmond Robert 'Bob' Cristofani[edit]

Refering to the thread of comments regarding the discrepency regarding Bob Cristofani's death location, I can confirm, as his son still living in England, that he did indeed die in Fleet, Hampshire, and not in Canberra. He had been living in England since leaving the diplomatic service.

I hope that this clarifies the matter,


David Cristofani

Pushpin maps for suburbs[edit]

Point taken- a toss-up on those; a few coords were needed as well so I added the pushpin map; though I did avoid Geelong subs and obviously Melb. subs as well except for a few in the outer Yarra Ranges which I will get around to. South Australia is a bit of a problem with the resolution; would be nice to have a map of the populated SE of the state as a default (based on coords) if this were technically possible; Queensland doesnt look too good but that is the fault of its shape, perhaps another argument for a state of North Queensland/Capricornia. Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 06:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)).

Railway stations[edit]

Please don't move the pages, I'm sorry for not creating the redirected ones, I didn't know I was supposed to. Railway station naming does not appear to be consistent around the world - the systems that people seem to have created here made sense around Australia - that's the reason I started to create articles because it made sense to me. If you want inconsistency, New Zealand even calls their stations "Train Station" which is not what they are called in British Commonwealth countries. Bookscale (talk) 10:39, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Busy busy busy![edit]

Yep, as you can tell with the heading, I've been busy! I don't mind having some event but hate it when it all happens in one hit! Missed out on the historic (100 years of flying) mail delivery from YSWG to YTEM by David Lowey in the TAM's Ryan STM aircraft, the first day of the Wagga Pro-AM and the first Eastern Australia Airlines (QantasLink) Q400 flight from YSSY - YSWG.

Sunday was a nightmare! Had stayed up all night Saturday after my home web server had a hissy fit when I installed some OS updates (which killed Apache2, making http impossible to the server), reinstalling the OS while a storm thought it would pop by (Was doing a netinstall of Debian) which I was hoping not to fry my electrical equipment! After that was done (after 5am on Sunday morning), I got a few hours rest but was woken by thunder, got online to see what was forecasted, only though we would get 10 - 20mm, as the day went on it was clear that we had more then what I thought! Once it stopped raining (4pmish) headed around town to see what I could find (flooding in known spots had cleared by the time I got to them but the drains were still flowing high and fast) and headed out to the lake. Any one would have thought that the rain had finished!

An hour or so later it was clear that more rain and storms were coming in, so headed back home (with a water logged yard) in time, after that it just kept raining! I just can't get over at how much rain we had! I recorded 147.1mm for Sunday! Friday I recorded 32mm so my March total is at an insane 182mm.

I was shocked to see Lake Albert almost full (YouTube) after it almost dried up (going to be a bit hard to get a photo from here!), the river up to its banks (15 feet (4.57m) but 4.63m was the peak [though classed below minor flood level]) and how wet the ground is, infact we even have a few trees falling over!

Today was contacted by a media organisation about a local issue (you will hear about it if you watch SBS in the future). In all I've just been flat out with a few edit here and there! Anyway I'll stop talking crap, but I do hope you had a few mills of rain and missed out on the damaging storms! Bidgee (talk) 14:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

You have been busy! We had about 75 mm of rain over the three days but seemed to avoid the extremes further north and south (Shepparton copped it hard on Sunday). Having said that my gutters couldn't cope and water started pouring out of the eaves on the north side of my house on Saturday night. No hail here however, and only some local roads cut. We are all hoping here that water starts rolling into Lake Hume as this rain at the moment is only watering bindii-s! At least the rain has saturated ground a bit so with reasonable winter rains we might see a return to a semi-normal season. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 19:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
Not bad! Farmers must have a huge smile on their faces at the moment, as this has been the first decent rains we have had for some time! Though some city folk thin the drought is over, but its far from over! Seen the Shepparton footage (was watching the radar and seen a mean looking echo on the radar out near Balranald before having to go offline), reminds me of the storms Wagga got in 1998 and 2001 which both had a huge damage bill in just the Wagga LGA.
The Shepparton storm passed just east of us here but hit Deni pretty bad too. Farmers here are cautiously optimistic but it all depends on the follow up rain. Lots of crossed fingers here!
One thing the rain has done is caused an outbreak of bindii-s (catseyes or catheads) which are going to be had for feet and tyres!
They are everywhere and it is almost a full time job chipping at them. The only consoltation is that the soil is as soft as I have seen it here in years. On that topic, see my discussion on AWNB re:bindii. -- Mattinbgn\talk 03:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Would be nice to have the storage dams fill, the rivers run high (like it did on Monday in Wagga) with the odd minor flood to flush out the river system, creeks and billabongs! Bidgee (talk) 03:16, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
It would be great to flood some of the river red gum forests for a time and see some of the little lagoons flow to and from the Murray again. -- Mattinbgn\talk 03:44, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of 2010 Victorian storms[edit]

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Haha, pity I didn't see this one - I think the entire CBD of Melbourne being underwater (the last major storm they had, which I was there for in 2002, flooded Fairfield and produced some impressive lightning but didn't do much else) kind of would put this at a level well above notability, even if just for the massive insurance costs. Orderinchaos 18:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


Hi. Got your email, that's great, CRIC really needs more breadwinners. A bit stuck in the early 1960s, with Australia and England the only strong teams. It would have been great with Phanto and Sarastro chewing everything up in tandem but not to be. Hopefully Aaron finishes off Ponting and family as he's done most of the hard yards. And no surrender on Archie :) I'm trying my hand on the Southern Stars but seems as though they will all be 95% scorecard reading with the lack of other qualititative discussion around, and nothing about playing sttyle/strengths and weaknesses. I just looked at the pageview stats and Perry went from 20 ->1400 and Healy from 10 ->300 when that T20 was on TV. Amusing Slater sledging Healy about his niece's mistakes and "The Healys are famous for slogging" just before the last ball YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:44, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

Have you read Growden's bio of Fingo? A lot of interesting stuff there. He seems to have access to Fingo's personal letters, and that Fingo claimed that Bradman engineered Johnson's ascension to the captaincy; also it has excerpts of Miller's letters to Fingo, sledging Johnson YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 06:45, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Whoops, meant to get back and reply to this. The problems with the Southern Stars are the same problems with most of the pre-internet players from anywhere other than Aust. and Eng. - lack of quality sources. Hughes really only needs a bit of a run through on prose and MoS issues. I am not too sure what else needs adding in terms of content. I have seen the Fingo book on the shelves but haven't picked it up yet. The letters from Miller wouldn't surprise me; they almost came to blows in the West Indies. Bradman engineering Johnson's ascension to the captaincy has the ring of truth to it, indeed it would surprise me if Bradman did not play the leading role in the whole process - he seemed to have the final say on most matters in that day! Johnson seems like one of Bradman's type of people – privately schooled, from a upper middle class, patrician background and, of course, solidly Protestant. -- Mattinbgn\talk 08:18, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Anzac Day[edit]

I made a change to Anzac Day which you reverted saying it was uncited and partially wrong re Australia. Re partially wrong, can you tell me why. And if you can tell me why then why did you not correct the addition. Are you here to build an encyclopedia or to be a policeman? Re uncited - I was getting around to getting the source and formattng it to edit into the article when I saw your petty change. I won't bother now. (talk) 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I am sorry you have chosen to take offence over my removal of your incorrect and uncited content. As I am sure you know, uncited information can be removed by anyone. I considered adding a {{fact}} to it, but I knew the material was wrong so removal was the best option. To answer your query about why it was wrong, I am going to assume you are a New Zealander. Like many New Zealanders, you seem to have a poor understanding of Australia's federal structure. Industrial relations, including the setting of public holidays and their observance, is a matter for the states. This includes "national" holidays such as Australia Day and Anzac Day. For example Labour Day in Vic. falls in March, in Qld. falls in May and in NSW falls in October. The observance of these days varies from state to state and different states follow different rules regarding public holidays falling on a weekend. I didn't add any of this for two reasons. One, I am unaware of the various states are doing with Anzac Day this year and two, it isn't really relevant - especially in the article lede. Regardless of what day the public holiday is granted, the commemorations throughout Australia always take place on 25 April. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 20:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
I was going to let it go and move on, but your response deserves comment. I know that uncited material can be removed by anyone but that is beside the point (in this context) because you never gave me time to add it. You say you "knew the material was wrong". It isn't wrong -- Monday 26 April is the Anzac day holiday throughout Australia this year -- and if you had bothered to check you would have seen this. Your assumption that I am a kiwi with a poor understanding of Australia's federal structure is a laughable insult, and your mention of holidays which are not pertinent to this article is plain misleading. Your claim that the day of observance of the holiday isn't relevant to the intro is a matter of opinion. This is a significant distinction between the two countries and therefore deserves prominent mention. You stating that "the (Anzac) commemorations throughout Australia always take place on 25 April" is also manifestly irrelevant. We were discussing the day the holiday is observed, not the day it is commemorated. However, as you seem to have ownership of this article, help yourself to making it just a little less informative. (I moved your response on my page to here for continuity). (talk)
Firstly complaints about insults are rich coming from someone who started his initial comment to me with "Are you here to build an encyclopedia or to be a policeman?" At least I was polite when assuming your ignorance on Australia's federal system. Secondly, I would say as a general rule material should not be added until it is sourced. Adding unsourced material and then complaining about its subsequent removal is just silly and stating I have a positive obligation to source (or correct) information added by others is flat-out wrong. If you want your material kept, source it when adding it - otherwise you take your chances ... Thirdly, I know that the Anzac Day holiday has been observed on different days in different states in the past and therefore I know that your statement is at least partially incorrect, as I said to begin with. The fact that this year, the holiday is observed on the same day throughout Australia does not preclude the possibility that this may not be the case in future years. If you have evidence to the contrary, add it to the article. Fourthly, the other holidays were included in my response above as a demonstration of a principle that you appeared to be (and still appear to be) unaware of. Fifthly, adding the information about the observance day in such a prominent place is potentially misleading because it invites the reader to assume that day is commemorated on different days in Aust. and NZ when this is not the case.
I am happy to work with you about the inclusion of this information which, contrary to your claim, I do think is relevant to the article (although not in the lede). Again, contrary to your claim, I have not had a lot to do with this article in the past and I am certainly not claiming "ownership" of the article. Rather than spitting the dummy and throwing your toys out of the pram, you could actually find a reliable source and add it to the article. Getting on your moral high horse about someone removing your uncited addition will not win you much sympathy from other editors. Regards, Mattinbgn\talk 23:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Oh!. So I added information to get sympathy. You truly take the cake. You are blatantly disingenuous where you say you know I am partly incorrect in saying anzac day holiday is observed on the same day throughout Australia. I am totally accurate -- Anzac day holiday is observed on the same day throughout Australia. What happened in the past is totally irrelevant, as is what might happen in the future. With your experience in Wikipedia I am surprised you would introduce such a glaring red herring. I am even more surprised by your assertion that information in an intro would be potentially more misleading than if it were in the body text. Furthermore, you still haven't grasped the point here. Once again you mention the day it is "commemorated" but my addition was about the day the holiday is "observed". They are two totally different things.
OK, I think we have reached the point of no return. You obviously have your heart set on (deliberately or otherwise) misreading everything I said above and therefore I don't think there is much purpose in continuing this conversation. Worse yet, you still haven't provided a source for your main assertion! Best of luck with your future contributions. Regards, Mattinbgn\talk 23:59, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The article is Anzac Day (which is *always* on the 25th), not the Anzac Day holiday. The dawn service and all related events are held on the actual day regardless of what day the employers give their workers a break (and not all do!) The fact that the holiday can occur on the Monday after is actually a quirk of state laws around Australia which applies to every single state or national Australian holiday (even Christmas, and I don't see any similar edits to that article.). Orderinchaos 18:31, 16 March 2010 (UTC)


This is an extremely sensitive matter. I have been asked by Mary Lewis here in England, the mother of Mike Lewis, to display her photo (that she was encouraged to take at the memorial event in Childers) and identify her son and the other youngsters killed. Please please accept this. If you have a problem still, please negotiate on my behalf to overcome the problem. If not, contact me at duncanogi @ aol . com

Discussion at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Article title[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom/Article title. DrKiernan (talk) 09:12, 18 March 2010 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

Portland Sustainability Group on the Portland, Victoria page[edit]

Hi Mattinbgn

Could you please explain the decision to undo a contribution I made to the "Portland, Victoria" page to include the Portland Sustainability Group under a topic of "Environmental and Sustainability"?

I'm not sure if it needed more supporting information (as it was only a link), or if reference to a local environmental and sustainability group is not permitted.

The group is not for profit and run by volunteers who are committed to helping the town/region reduce their individual and collective environmental/climate impacts.

There's no "15 minutes of fame" factor in including a reference to the PSG on the Portland,Vic page, and no personal references or agenda. The group is geared to being a positive, long term, and increasingly significant part of what defines Portland, and it is already officially endorsed by the community itself, the local council, industry group, schools sector, and other service clubs.

I'm happy to supply some copy for the entry if that's what is required. Please let me know what needs to happen for the PSG to be a part of Portland's Wiki entry, as I/we feel inclusion in the 'free encyclopedia' makes perfect sense and is very positive for all parties - especially people wanting to know if Portland Vic HAS a sustainability group.

Cheers, Peter Reefman - PSG Convenor

Mr Rudd visited?[edit]

Well he visited Wagga but I was an hour too late (not happy with myself, then again it wasn't even known)! Having a look at K Rudd's history I can only see that he has family connections in Wagga and Tumut and looks like you were there (Tumut) today, so I'm guessing he wasn't there or you missed him? :P Bidgee (talk) 12:49, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

No, didn't see him around and I was in Wagga and Tumut (among other places) yesterday! I hope you get some result regarding your hospital there. That saga has gone on way too long ... -- Mattinbgn\talk
I was in town yesterday (from about 1pmish) but he was at the hospital, by the time I got there he was gone from there as well. Well I can't really add the latest bit of the saga (I do plan to add anything pre 2010) to the Wagga Wagga Base Hospital as I know have a COI, I can talk about it off Wiki.
How the hell did I miss this! I rode all the way out (via the old Olympic Highway) to Bomen back in October, I was going to try and get to the 2WG broadcast tower but didn't have much time left and was low on water (I too 4 litres) and needed to get to an event in West Wagga (on Edward Street) so I rode back via the Olympic Highway, last time I do that!
Thank you for doing The Rock! Saved me a trip out there (was going to try riding it but you have my legs! LOL) as over 40km one way is rather long! I was also thinking of riding to Junee too but again over 40km is a bit too far, but the longest ride I've done was to Uranquinty (never again I'll do it though, Dunns Road is hell!) but I've noticed on the Civic Guides that an advert for the Uranquinty Hotel is using my image without any credit. Bidgee (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
40km is just a little too far for me as well, unless I am in air-conditioned comfort! Shame about the Uranquinty image. The problem you have is that defending your intellectual property rights is an expensive exercise.
I was in Tumut and saw the sign "200km - Cooma" and was very tempted to keep on driving ... -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I'm not so worried about air-con but rather my knees and legs (which become rather sore and weak on long rides).
Well the day I headed out to Uranquinty, I saw the sign which had the distances to towns along the highway and seen 30km to the rock. If I had more time I may have stupidly tried it! But wished that I tried the 1km extra passed the power station to the old branch line's level crossing.
Well I'll contact them (Civic Guides and the hotel) if that fails, I'll make some Copyvio stickers and place over the image on the sign. Bidgee (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Cool! You also got a photo of the sister building of the The Roxy and Jadda Centre! I also have a feeling that this building at The Rock could be a former theatre or may a School of Arts. Bidgee (talk) 03:52, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I am pretty sure it is a cinema of some sort rather than a theatre. There is also this theatre in nearby Lockhart. -- Mattinbgn\talk 09:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
Yer, the give away is the small windows at the side, the stairs, the windows at the front and the side doors. I guess trying to find the name of the buildings will make it a little easier to find the history. Bidgee (talk) 09:40, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
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Have a great break :) Daylight saving is a great thing :( —Aaroncrick (talk) 05:46, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Localities in the Shire of Melton[edit]

Hello - I may have jumped the gun on changing a couple of cats; without going into any detail just yet I will be starting a discussion on category talk page within a day or so; will mention on noticeboard. Regards (Crusoe8181 (talk) 07:21, 7 April 2010 (UTC)).

Ponny on the main page[edit]

Cheers YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 03:21, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Hell, how did I miss that! Go away for a day or two ... -- Mattinbgn\talk 04:51, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Woodend junior football club

you win! all too hard and too much unnecessary beauracracy and red tape for me too handle. like much of today's world lots of rules and criteria that don't really fit with real life.

As stated all I was trying to do was expand the information available on your site (as was requested for this topic) and also correct a number of inaccuacies on other pages.

No skin off my nose - having the information there makes not one iota of difference to me.

have a good life

Woodend junior football club[edit]

sorry forgot to sign off as required

Snouza (talk) 06:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Hobart 2020 Olympic Bid[edit]

This is not anything to promote an 'internet meme'. It is reporting on a legitimate bid. If you believe it to be a 'meme', then read the relevant references and websites associated with the information involved, in particular on the 2020 Summer Olympics Page. There was no problem with any edits on that page until it was vandalised by somebody claiming it to be an April Fools Joke. You can go through the previous edits to verify this.

NYC 55david (talk) 12:42, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

It did start as an April Fools joke - see and has since grown legs and stilts - it should not be mentioned again unless that is qualified that is how it started - otherwise it is denying the origin of the issue - I have left my perspective at the Australian noticeboard - cheers SatuSuro 15:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


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AAMI Park Image[edit]

Thanks for adding that image!Comes.amanuensis (talk) 03:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

The drought is over?[edit]

Got to love how the city folk publish that the drought is over when it isn't! Sure we had a lot of rain in March but that fell in one to two days, most areas (in southern to central NSW) missed the peak of the December and February rain events and April was half the average and May isn't looking much better, farm dams maybe 80-90% full but the storage dams are still below 40%. Really not looking forward to next spring, I think we should see the worst locust plague in 10-20 years. Bidgee (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

While the start to the season is encouraging, here in the southern Riverina there is no talk of the drought ending. Hume and Dartmouth still need a lot more water to see allocations return to a useful level (that said, some rice is now being grown in the Deniliquin region for the first time in years). The locust situation looks ominous, given the rain in NW NSW and SW Qld. As soon as the warm weather hits, they will be down this way in huge numbers. I must admit, I feel a bit like Hanrahan writing this! -- Mattinbgn\talk 22:48, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Yep, the dams need the inflows and really they have missed out on a lot of the rain events, I really think it will be a dry winter. Hume Dam is about 16%, Blowering and Burrinjuck are in the mid 30% range and poor old Wyangala Dam is at 7% IIRC, if these dams served Sydney or any other capital city for that matter, they would be screaming drought but big wigs in State and Federal Government are looking at ways of stopping the financial help to farmers to save a few dollars and make the budget look good. I don't know where The Australian got its facts from as I'm not seeing where the BoM stated the drought was over, they only stated that the short-term deficiencies have eased but not the long-term.
I can remember the good old days in the MIA, most paddocks had rice but now it is just a waste land with paddocks and empty channels covered in weeds.
With the locusts, I think we will see a lot of farmers not plant and some taking a risk. 2010-11 IMO will see a bigger plague then that seen in 2004-05. Bidgee (talk) 00:38, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Victoria (Australian state)[edit]

The best way to reverse this would have been to comment before the move. Clearly several versions of the name are widely used so in the end I think that someone would be unhappy. While the sample is small it does show consensus. At this point, I'd suggest another discussion to move it back. If there is consensus then it can be moved. I'll note that in the article history, this page was moved to where it is once before and that move was reversed without comment so apparently this may be a case where consensus may change over time. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback (ApprenticeFan)[edit]

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Place names[edit]

I've been watching this, but I'm a bit agnostic on this issue. There are good arguments both ways.--Grahame (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Ladies T20[edit]

Bulldozed it on there :) YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 05:14, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Well done! I am a big fan of the double-header approach to T20i—it raises the profile of women's cricket immensely. -- Mattinbgn\talk 05:34, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Lasted only four hours before important stuff like the ROK warship bumped it off ... YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 00:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)