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Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Knights and Dames of the Order of St Andrew (Barbados)[edit]

Category:Knights and Dames of the Order of St Andrew (Barbados), which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mattinbgn (talk) 20:38, 1 August 2011 (UTC)


Just noticed your edit summary on the Peter O'Neill page re Kiap. Just a note to say I am currently in the process of creating the page... Hack (talk) 03:56, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Great, saves me the trouble of starting a two line stub! I was surprised that an article did not exist. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 04:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC)


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photo of pretty pine hotel[edit]

I just found the photo of pretty pine hotel, I lived there for sometime when i was a teenager (ages ago) can you tell me when you took this photo (talk) 16:20, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

It was taken on 20 January 2007. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 20:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

List of centuries in women's Test cricket[edit]

Hi, I've incorporated most of your suggestions -- the rest have been left out due to "unsourcability". Let me know if you have any comments/suggestions etc. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 20:14, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

At FLC now: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of centuries in women's Test cricket/archive1. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 10:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, meant to comment earlier - it looks good! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:21, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
No worries, I meant to take this to FLC in 2009, and I figured that if I didn't just do it, it'd probably languish for another two years just like that. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 10:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


Just wanted to let you know that your editing activities are being discussed at WP:ANI, since the person moaning about you didn't see fit to do so. -- Scjessey (talk) 14:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 20:30, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Westbury Cricket Club[edit]

Hi. Since the heated debate on club notability at WP:CRIC a couple of months back, things have gone a bit quieter on the deletionist front. But I notice today that Westbury CC in Tasmania is at AfD; I think this is the first time a grade side has been down this route (there are moves afoot on Central Lancashire League teams too, by the looks of it). Westbury's article does it few favours, it has to be said, but I know it's a historic club, though I don't know its current status. Just thought you might be interested and have views. Kind regards. Johnlp (talk) 09:08, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 11:09, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Research into the user pages of Wikipedians: Invitation to participate[edit]


My name is John-Paul and I am a student with the University of Alberta specializing in Communications and Technology.

I would like to include your Wikipedia user page in a study I am doing about how people present themselves online. I am interested in whether people see themselves in different ways, online and offline. One of the things I am looking at is how contributors to Wikipedia present themselves to each other through their user pages. Would you consider letting me include your user page in my study?

With your consent, I will read and analyze your user page, and ask you five short questions about it that will take about ten to fifteen minutes to answer. I am looking at about twenty user pages belonging to twenty different people. I will be looking at all user pages together, looking for common threads in the way people introduce themselves to other Wikipedians.

I hope that my research will help answer questions about how people collaborate, work together, and share knowledge. If you are open to participating in this study, please reply to this message, on your User Talk page or on mine. I will provide you with a complete description of my research, which you can use to decide if you want to participate.


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Johnpaulmcvea (talk) 22:06, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi John-Paul. I would be happy to participate in your study. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 22:18, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank-you for agreeing to participate in my study[edit]

Thank-you for agreeing to participate in my study, entitled “Online Self-presentation among Wikipedians.” I appreciate it.

As I indicated before, here are five questions that I would like you to answer. Please be as brief or as thorough as you like.


1. Are you a member of social networks such Facebook or MySpace?

2. In addition to maintaining a user page in Wikipedia, have you also written or edited articles? If so, about how many times?

3. What are the key messages about yourself that you hope to convey with your user page?

4. Have your Wikipedia contributions ever received feedback, such as being edited by others or commented on? Have you received a message from another Wikipedia user? If so, do you think your user page positively or negatively affected what other people said and how they said it?

5. Do you see your “online self” as being different from your “offline self?” Can you elaborate?

Please indicate your answers to these questions on your talk page, or on mine. If you like, you can email your answers to me instead (

Thank you again : )

Johnpaulmcvea (talk) 23:38, 20 September 2011 (UTC)


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• That the issue of confidentiality been explained to you and that you understand who will have access to your information (see “Additional Information”).

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• I am asking you to participate in a research project that is part of my MA degree.

• I am asking you because you have created a user page in Wikipedia that other people can use to learn about you.


• My research is about how people present themselves online.

• I will look at how people present themselves when presenting themselves to the Wikipedia community.

Study Procedures

• With your consent, I will analyze the language of your user page and gather basic statistics such as the count of words, the frequency of words, the number of sections, and so on.

• I will also read the text of your user page, looking for elements in common with ads posted by other people. I will note whether you include a picture, or links to other content on the internet,

• I ask you to answer my five questions, above. This will take about ten to fifteen minutes to complete. I will ask you to answer the questions within a week, and send your answers to me.

• Throughout my research, I will adhere to the University of Alberta Standards for the Protection of Human Research Participants, which you can view at


• There is no direct benefit to you for participating in this research. You may, however, find it interesting to read my perspective on how you present yourself online.

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Thank-you again!

You have mail[edit]

Not to sure if you got my last email as my other email address has been rather unreliable of late. Bidgee (talk) 20:38, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Got it. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 20:40, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Courthouse Museum in Millicent[edit]

Hi Mattinbgn, if I get a few minutes of spare time ... I am creating some stubs in Wikipedia of the missing entries in the National Trust buildings list. The next one on my list is the Courthouse Museum in Millicent and I found one of your photos - could you confirm that it is the same National Trust building ?

thanks .. Greg (RZYZKC)

Rzyzkc (talk) 02:36, 27 October 2011 (UTC) Hi Greg. I think it is but I can't confirm it. I was only passing through Millicent and took photographs of things that looked interesting without much thought as to what they were. Hope this is useful, Matt -- 08:43, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Subiaco Marist Cricket Club[edit]

Hi. I just came across this article and was about to PROD it until I noticed that you PRODed it back in 2008, only to remove the PROD yourself, saying that "It seems the women's section of the club has at least a claim to notability". Reading the article, it appears that a few female Subiaco Marist players have gone on to play for Australia and I think that might have been what you were referring to. Anyway, before taking it to AfD I thought it would be best to check with you in case there was something that I missed that you had noticed back in '08. No worries if you can't remember anything/don't really care about this article, it was three years ago. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 08:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

According to the article, SMCC have been Western Australian women's state champions 24 times. This seemed to me at least to be a claim to notability and thus IMO rule out a PROD. If you send to AfD, I most probably will abstain. While I think club cricket in Australia is woefully underrepresented in this encyclopedia and I am concerned about the systemic bias against coverage of women's sport in Australia, it is likely to be difficult to find reliable independent sources short of a visit to a library. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 09:07, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply and you do raise some good points, especially wrt systematic bias. I'll ponder this a bit more before deciding on AfD or not. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 09:10, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Reading the history closer, it's actually been PRODed 4 times, including 3 times by members of the "who's who" of WP:AUST - Yellowmonkey, Moondyne and Mattinbgn! Also, this discussion has been noticed on this side of the country. The-Pope (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Welcome Stranger Monument[edit]

I would like to use the picture you have of this monument but for the life of me I can't figure out how to correctly attribute oit to you could you please tell me how? Sorry I'm new to wiki.


November 15th, 2011

Hi Russ. If you want to use it in Wikipedia there is no need to attribute it to me. If you want to use it elsewhere, then attribution in the form of something like "(Photograph: Mattinbgn/Wikimedia Commons)" would be fine. If is online, then a link back to the photograph would be appreciated but not insisted upon. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 09:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! It is intended for use in a print publication. If/when it is accepted I will reply back here to let you know where you can see it.


Nicola Gobbo[edit]

I think you made a good point about BLP even though I don't agree with the edits made. I added the article to the noticeboard so others could consider the issues you raised. I won't revert your reversion until it's been properly considered. --Brandonfarris (talk) 06:16, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Follow up[edit]

Dear Mattinbgn,

I would like to follow up the email in regards of image categorisation of SLQ Wikimedia project. Please contact me by email to confirm your availability at

Kind regards,

Bekti Mulatiningsih Information Systems Faculty of Science and Technology Queensland University of Technology

--Bmulatiningsih (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Participate in a research study user participation in the categorisation of the SLQ images[edit]

Dear Mattinbgn,

My name is Bekti Mulatiningsih from the Queensland University of Technology (QUT). As part of Masters of Information Technology Library and Information Science (Coursework) study, I am doing a project titled: “User participation in the categorisation of the State Library of Queensland digital image collections: characteristics, motivations and experiences”. The purpose of this project is to examine the users’ experiences emphasising users’ characteristics, motivations and personal experiences in the categorisation of the State Library of Queensland (SLQ) digital image collections.

You are invited to participate in this project because have been identified as users who frequently participates in categorisation activity on the SLQ digital image collections on Wikimedia. Your participation in this project is entirely voluntary. If you do agree to participate, you can withdraw from the project without comment or penalty. Any identifiable information already obtained from you will be destroyed. Your decision to participate, or not participate, will in no way impact upon your current or future relationship with QUT or with the State Library of Queensland. Your participation will involve an audio recorded interview via Skype or other agreed location that will take between 15 and 60 minutes of your time.

Your contribution to this project will benefit QUT, its students, SLQ, and its staff in providing better understanding of its users and might be use to improve the access to SLQ’s image collections.

Please contact me by email to confirm your availability.

Please note that this study has been approved by the QUT Human Research Ethics Committee (approval number 1100001525).

Many thanks for your consideration of this request.

Kind regards,

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IAR again[edit]

The roads people are back at it again, they have started a deletion discussion without notifing the Australian project. Bidgee (talk) 04:01, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

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I've just taken the issues that are on going at the Gundagai talkpage to ANI. Bidgee (talk) 01:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Seems to be dealt with now. Thanks Mattinbgn (talk) 02:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Deleting Thelema userbox[edit]

93, I was wondering why you deleted the Template:User thelema template? 93 93/93 JessicaSideways (talk) 04:25, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

It was over four years ago and I do not remember the specifics, to be honest. I seem to have speedy deleted it as a WP:CSD#G2 (test edits) as it was tagged as such by another editor. If you want it restored, I suggest listing it at WP:DRV. If editors there are happy to restore it, I won't object. I have no opinions or views on the topic of Thelema whatsoever. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 04:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Welcome, roadfan![edit]

Hello, Mattinbgn, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like this place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Again, welcome! Rschen7754 10:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

I see you've been here a while, but I thought I would give you this information! --Rschen7754 10:04, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Numurkah disambigs[edit]

Hi Matt,

just to clarify, it was the tree species that I was disambiguating, not the river. Thanks for fixing the creek link, since that is what I actually read the article to find out. I saw the town on the TV news tonight. --Scott Davis Talk 10:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Yep, I saw the edit history and realised it wasn't you. Tried to get through Numurkah on the way home from Melbourne today - no luck, had to take the long way round (via Echuca!!) -- Mattinbgn (talk) 10:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

CFDS thanks[edit]

Thanks for the tips at WP:CFDS. I have amended a few based on your comments. Good Ol’factory (talk) 07:30, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

No worries - it does need cleaning up. If I was feeling really provocative I would suggest getting rid of comma disambiguation altogether. Perhaps another day ... -- Mattinbgn (talk) 02:35, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Irish Pride[edit]

Regarding this, you might like to look at the user's recent contribs. ClaretAsh 07:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

I had a look at the time. A proud Irish person indeed! All the etymologies he/she added are most likely correct - but they still need sourcing. They could just as easily been named after someone or something that was itself named after the Irish place. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 08:08, 7 March 2012 (UTC)
Truly. ClaretAsh 08:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

An AFD you participated in has been started again[edit]

I'm contacting everyone that participated in the last one, which ended earlier this month, to inform them of the new one. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aziz Shavershian (2nd nomination) Dream Focus 13:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


Hello Mattinbgn. Thank you for your remarks on my talk page. Your point is certainly a valid one, however, I have to query why at the same time you did not remove the other entry in the list which linked to a non-existent article? To me this preferential reaction appeared to exhibit lack of good faith, and hence why I referred to your edit as censorship. I'm leaving it for now as I don't immediately have the time to write articles about either Julia Finn (who does, in fact, already receive a mention in the WP City of Parramatta article) or Lisa Corrigan - both of whom I would strongly assert actually merit their own WP pages just as much as the other people mentioned on that particular list. Neither would I remove Lisa Corrigan simply because there is no article about or referring to her, because to me that would be a violation of good faith. Perhaps another less confrontational approach would be to politely request a suitable article from the person who added her in the first place and give them adequate time to do so? Just a thought. Cheers Peter B. (talk) 00:38, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


Okay. I have heard of that (Being Tasmanian myself), however it never occured to me that that was what was happening there. Thanks for your comment on my talk page anyway. Anjwalker Talk 10:47, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Woolgar goldfields[edit]

Hi Matt, are you finished editting the Woolgar Goldfields? I would like to add reference to it. thank you Wyangarie to Richmond (talk) 02:39, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Yep. Done for now. Sorry if I got in the road. Great work to date. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 02:45, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Just noticed this was redlinked and was surprised so had a look tracking it down to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Woolgar Goldfields. Seems a shame when it seems Google comes up with so many good references. is a long report from 1932 in The Townsville Daily Bulletin. It is still a viable mine site more than 100 years later: . There was even a massacre ... maybe. Several of the google findings are from queries on genealogy newsgroups - there is interest in the topic in the community.
I mean to stay retired and hence am not joining in! However it seems a topic that could definitely stand an article. Regards --Matilda talk 09:21, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


Just saying thanks for the little edit and the photos. Kudos!


Thanks for your comments. Bizarre investigation :( Still happily retired from Wikipedia editing though continue to regard it as a great resource. Best wishes --Matilda talk 08:40, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Any time. Nice to see you drop in again! Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 08:53, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Case for your review[edit]

Hello Mattinbgn, you may want to see this SPI case and comment if you wish. I mentioned your suspicions in the clerk comments. Thank you,
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 17:06, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Albert de Lestang[edit]

Thanks from Wikipedia and the DYK team Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:04, 20 June 2012 (UTC)


The beeb has picked it up - couldnt help but notice our AMSA article is pitiful little stub - considering the amount of work it gets wandering the waters etc - there is something lacking about most australian authorities horrible little stubs... they either read like a press release, or copyvios from their websites SatuSuro 09:53, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

We don't write good articles on government authorities - perhaps because other than the big ones like the ABC and the CSIRO, we tend to rename them and/or reform them so frequently. Sadly, the news from Christmas Island looks very grim. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 11:10, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
interestingly the amsa spokesperson wasnt much help on 7.30 report either, not even making any comment re the commercial news reports there was another asylum boat in trouble as well... SatuSuro 11:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Angaston Uniting Church[edit]

What is the address of this church or its GPS coordinates? 6/21/12

Because you asked so nicely - I have added the coordinates to File:AngastonUnitingChurch1.JPG. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Local Govt Area, Somerset (region)[edit]

Good afternoon Mattinbgn. Noticed you reverted my edit before I had chance to revert it myself. I am the tourism officer of Somerset Regional Council and looking at entries in wikipedia with a view to future updates. Your immediate response to the edit suggests you have a keen interest in the region and I'd be interested in discussing your interest, and maybe obtain your assistance?

Talk back[edit]

You have talk back here. -- (talk) 23:12, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Suburbs and localities[edit]

Some time ago we had a discussion about suburbs. The discussion is now archived here. As I explained then, the official definitions of suburb and locality are essentially the same, the only difference being that suburbs are urban and localities are rural. They are quite different from "town". As I indicated the three have distinct definitions:

  • Town - "A commercial nucleus offering a wide range of services and a large number of shops, often several of the same type. Depending on size, the residential area can be relatively compact or (in addition) dispersed in clusters on the periphery."
  • Suburb - "A bounded area within the landscape that has an 'Urban' Character"
  • Locality - "A bounded area within the landscape that has a 'Rural' Character"

Because of the similarity between the two, the only difference being urban vs rural, you can use one term for both suburb and locality, which is probably why {{Infobox Australian place}} doesn't differentiate between suburb and locality, but town has a different meaning. Since Gundy is officially a locality, it is more closely related to a suburb than a town, at least officially. --AussieLegend (talk) 12:05, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I remember having this discussion before now. The definition that you use for the term suburb is completely at odds with the standard dictionary defintion of suburb and especially with the way the term is used in standard Australian English i.e. "(Australian and New Zealand English) any subdivision of a conurbation, not necessarily on the periphery". I think the way you use the term with regards to the Hunter Region is grossly misleading and should not be used on Wikipedia. You disagree I know, so I wont push the point. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 12:16, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Living up to the stereotype[edit]

You need to distinguish between a threat and a kindly worded request. I even said please. And given the trashing of hard work of contributors that persistent page deleters like the said individual perpetrate -- without the slightest effort on their part to undertake further research, that's being more than generous. Such behaviour is a plague on Wikipedia. But then, you need to stick up for mates, don't you. I believe that's the Australian vernacular. I also looked at your Talk Page. You're even more depressingly true to type than I could have imagined. Including the Bumfuck location. And of course, the bullheaded readiness to - and let's make this crystal clear - hypocritically lay out threats to strangers while falsely accusing them of the very same. How petty, small man behaviour is that? Vomit inducing. But I did smirk over someone's comment that you had appointed yourself 'de facto arbiter' of a page. Doesn't that say it all. Engleham (talk) 05:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Noted. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 05:47, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
He didn't wish you would die soon, though; how did you miss out? I think more depressingly true to type is a snide comment on our shared not born well origins (speaking for myself, of course -some of your ancestors may well have purchased a title) Cheers again Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:24, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Since read your intervention, so Thanks (please don't mention my five convict antecedents, could get ugly) Crusoe8181 (talk) 11:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
Not a problem. Didn't really solve anything it seems but it did at least elicit what appears to be a scarily accurate desciption of me! Alas, my colonial blood is far from blue - NZ coalminers on one side, bog-Irish farmers on the other. No convicts, though. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 12:01, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
IMO, they're most likely from the home of the "Red Necks". I thought my times of uncivilness was bad but Engleham's uncivilness is 10x worse. Bidgee (talk) 13:37, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Suburbs and localities (Australia)[edit]

This needs a rewrite, which I am doing and have been doing forever; will happen, remind me if not (may have spent too much time on the other part of the world) Regards Crusoe8181 (talk) 09:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I have some major issues with how WP:AUST uses terms like "city", "town", "suburb", locality" etc. Our use of these terms is quite often completely at odds with how the terms are used in Australian English. My personal preference would be to use these terms as they are ordinarily defined in Australian English rather than using the terms as they are defined by varying state, federal and local agencies. These agencies use the terms for quite specific purposes that are no necessarily for the same purpose as we would use them in an general purpose encyclopedia. My 2c - good luck with the rewrite. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 23:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Soccer vs Football[edit]

If you really want policy on this, see Talk:Soccer in Australia#Requested move. The discussion was closed with the decision that, for the purposes of Wikipedia, the game was called "Soccer" in Australia. HiLo48 (talk) 09:15, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

I think the discussion is and was absolute horseshit and don't consider my self bound by any such ludcrious "policy". The denial of reality in this case is quite amusing to watch. Of course, your claim of "policy" is horseshit too. At best, it is an informal editing guideline enforced by bullies like yourself. No regards, Mattinbgn (talk) 09:18, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Oh well, I tried. Why is there so much anger over this issue? We have four professional sports in Australia called football by some, certainly not all, of their fans. It makes no sense to insist that any single one of them should be called football in Wikipedia's Australian articles, when there are perfectly good alternative names in each case. HiLo48 (talk) 11:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

John Gillard[edit]

Hi Mattinbgn,

Can you please explain to me, as to how Edwin Duff is notable, but the Prime Minister's father, John Gillard, is not? Thanks, -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 07:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I believe the coverage of the death of John Gillard is enough for inclusion to the article; so, I'll be moving to have GIllard re-added to the article, some time in the next 24 hours - if you still object, your rationale here, will be much appreciated. -- MSTR (Chat Me!) 04:42, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Unhappy about removal at PORT LINCOLN[edit] (talk · contribs) was unhappy about some removal or work at PORT LINCOLN. He expresses being upset. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Daniel Keighran VC[edit]

In amending 1991 to 1975, I was not saying that the VCFA (I use VCFA to distinguish the award from the VC, VCFNZ and the Canadian VC) was instituted in 1975. The transition from the Imperial to the Australian Honours System was torturous since it required the Commonwealth and all the states to come to agreement. In 1983, the Commonwealth ceased making imperial recommendations and by the late 1980s all the states had ceased recommendations. Although, the Commonwealth did recommend imperial awards between 1976 and 1982, these were only for meritorious service. Between 1976 and 1991, the only bravery awards to the Australian forces, which were all non operational, were Australian Bravery Awards under the Australian Honours System. There were no operational gallantry awards to the Australian forces under either the Australian or Imperial Honours Systems from 1972 until 1996. Anthony Staunton (talk) 00:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I noted that the reversion but thought an explanation of 1975 in preference to 1991 was in order. Between the end of Australian operations in Vietnam in late 1971 and the Gulf War in 1991 Australia was not involved in any warlike operations. They were a number of peacekeeping involvements although this was mainly individuals rather than units. Indeed the only Australians killed or died or wounds as a result of a firefight since Vietnam have died in Afghanistan. The Order of Australia, the Australian Bravery Awards and the National Medal were all created when the Australian Honours System was instituted and more medals were created as the need arose. There were no wars so there no need to rush operational gallantry awards. It could be included in the article Orders, decorations, and medals of Australia but off hand I cannot think of a good reference to use. Anthony Staunton (talk) 06:26, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
a) Does it really matter when the "official" breakpoint was? (i.e. Is it important? If so, important to what?)
I'm inclined to reword it to say something like "Payne was the last Australian awarded the VC, in 19xx; the next award was the VCFA to Donaldson in 200x."
b) Do special-forces plus RAR make up the whole of the operational part of the Army? If not, it seems to me that it would be useful to mention BOTH that he was the first from RAR, AND that he was the first NOT from SASR.
Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:48, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
a) The similarity in name generates the footnote that explains the VC and VCFA are different awards of different award systems. The adding of the date 1975, the institution of the Australian Honours System, notes why there are now separate and distinct awards.
b) This article is about Daniel Keighran, a member of the RAR, the first to be honoured with the VCFA. You describe what he is; not what he is not. If the next British VC is to a special forces recipient I am sure it will be reported as the first award to the special forces since 1945, not the first NOT from a battalion. Anthony Staunton (talk) 16:02, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
(Hmm. You didn't answer either question. Not to worry.) a) Yes, that's a better approach. b) (By "You", I'll presume you meant "One".) Well ... yes and no. Whoever wrote the original was trying to point out that the previous awards had both been to Special Forces members. But as you say, "so what". So yes, that's also a better approach.
Thanks for your comments / clarifications. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:23, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Australian Christian Lobby[edit]

Hi there. I'm pinging you as an active Australian editor who I know is pretty experienced. There's stuff going on at Australian Christian Lobby and talk page that could use some attention. I don't have the energy for full-blown participation but thought perhaps a range of experienced editors could help sort it out as a team. Regards, hamiltonstone (talk) 23:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Tom Hardman[edit]

Thanks for correcting my edit. The reference did not report the first class experience. Regards, WWGB (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Michael Clarke[edit]

Hi, I see you are having a problem with an anon re the Michael Clarke aticle. I agree with you that the Controversy/Criticism section is a bit over the top but is there a Wikipedia policy that expressly says this sort of stuff shouldn't be included in an article? If you could point me in the right direction of any policy I'll revert the changes made by the anon so you don't get caught edit warring. Cheers. MC Rocks (talk) 08:04, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Tup Scott[edit]

Once upon a time, when you wrote lots of FAs on Australian cricket, you used two books; one by Ray Robinson on Test captains, and the other Harte's history of Australian cricket. Do you still have access to these books? There is an article, Tup Scott, at GA at the moment, and the editor has gone AWOL; Harrias asked me to have a look at fixing it up, but I don't have access to either source, and I think that a) some of the references need checking for accuracy, copyvio, etc, and b) there are a few uncited facts which I tagged (and an inline comment as well). Any help would be appreciated, but don't worry if you have neither the time, the books nor the inclination! Sarastro1 (talk) 14:53, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy Australia Day! Thank you for contributing to Australian content![edit]

Awards Announcement (Australia Day Eve, 2005).jpg Australian Wikimedian Recognition (AWR)
Thank you for your contributions on English Wikipedia that have helped improve Australian related content. :D It is very much appreciated. :D Enjoy your Australia Day and please continue your good work! Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up[edit]

I forgot to check the talk page before I did the move. I will have to think about/see if there is any way we can get around this.


I have met people who knew Tom (not "Leslie"/"Les"/"Thomas"/"Tomislav" etc) although that, of course, is "original research".
A lot of the "pro-Leslie Thomas" arguments/evidence used in the "Requested Move" are nonsensical. (For instance, as an ex-media person, I know that a tabloid journalist writing a potted biography, 20 years after he died and in an office hundreds/thousands of km from Grass Patch, is unlikely to have any idea what the man preferred to be called.)
This is how The West Australian (12 November 1945, p8) reported the VC: "GRASS PATCH, Nov 11.—The news telephoned by "The West Australian" on Thursday night was the first indication of the nature of the award to Pte "Tom" Starcevich. The Prime Minister's congratulations had been received during the afternoon; but there had been no indication that the decoration was the Victoria Cross. Leslie Thomas Starcevich (known as "Tom") the second eldest son of a family of 10 (eight boys, two girls, all living). He has three brothers in the AIF." [My emphasis.]
As you have already pointed out, the AWM says "Tom". Likewise, the entry in the Australian Dictionary of Biography begins: "Leslie Thomislav (Thomas) Starcevich (1918-1989), soldier, was born on 5 September 1918 at Subiaco, Western Australia, third of ten children of Croatian-born Joseph Starcevich, miner, and his English-born wife Gertrude May, née Waters. In the 1920s the family moved to Grass Patch, near Esperance, where Tom was educated at a local school." [My emphasis.]
I think those are strong indications of the name used by the man himself and those who knew him.

Grant | Talk 02:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Bendigo workshops 2013[edit]

Can you help? Wikimedia Australia will be holding an introductory training day for editing Wikipedia and related projects. With support from La Trobe University and Bendigo Community Health Services, it is for health information professionals across the region. It will also be open to other information community groups as well (regional historic societies, librarians and the like). The workshop is on Thursday, February 21, at Latrobe University Bendigo. If you can help, please contact Leighblackall or Peterdownunder, or register directly at the Wikimedia page.Peterdownunder (talk) 06:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Photos for Queensland Portal selected picture[edit]

Would you be able to suggest four or five photos of your which could be used as a selected picture for the Queensland Portal? I started going through your impressive collection but it was taking too long. Some suggestions which are iconic, industrial or rural would be really great. - Shiftchange (talk) 01:43, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for going missing[edit]

Hello to anyone watching this page. My apologies for my absense and lack of replies to messages. Some messy RL stuff has largely kept me away for the past few months. However, these have been mostly sorted and I will be back editing - albeit not as frequently as I used to. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 08:08, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

RfC:Infobox Road proposal[edit]

WP:AURD (Australian Roads), is inviting comment on a proposal to convert Australian road articles to {{infobox road}}. Please come and discuss. The vote will be after concerns have been looked into.

You are being notified as a member on the list of WP:AUS

Nbound (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

RfC:Infobox Road proposal[edit]

WP:AURD (Australian Roads), is inviting comment on a proposal to convert Australian road articles to {{infobox road}}. Please come and discuss. The vote will be after concerns have been looked into.

You are being contacted as a user who participated in previous discussions proposing the deletion of {{infobox Australian road}}, this RfC does not propose that.

Nbound (talk) 07:06, 6 May 2013 (UTC)


Hi Mattinbgn, could you check out the revision history for Geelong? I removed the skateboarding section because it contains superfluous details and I don't think skateboarding even warrants a mention, let alone its own section. My edit was reverted by Soulparadox, arguing that it should be taken to the talk page. I worry that the discussion won't really go anywhere and prolong the section's inevitable deletion anyway. Thanks. - HappyWaldo (talk) 10:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Far more diplomatic and befitting of the Wikipedia spirit. Nice work sir!--Soulparadox (talk) 12:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
I have nothing else to add. If you want to argue about skateboarding on the talk page of an Australian port city, then go ahead. - HappyWaldo (talk) 14:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)
There have been a couple of useful comments, but it would be great to hear from Mattinbgn. As I have said, I am more than happy to go with whatever is deemed suitable from the discussion. Also, this is one important way that I have learned more about Wikipedia.--Soulparadox (talk) 07:35, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[edit]

Bonjour, j'ai redressé les perspectives de votre photographie. Si cela ne vous convient pas, je restaurerai la photographie initiale. Cordialement.

Hello, I adjusted the outlook of your photography. If this does not suit you, I will restore the original photograph. Cordially. François de Dijon (talk) 21:52, 1 June 2013 (UTC)(machine translation)



I noticed your recent Hume Hwy edit... If you are interested in roads, come join us at the Australia Roads Wikiproject, and help influence decisions and guidelines in regards to AU roads articles :). -- Nbound (talk) 00:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

incorrect jpeg file name[edit]

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Hi, Matt! Thanks for the infoboxes you are adding. But I have a question. You replace <references/> with {{reflist}} but I am not sure I understand why. They seem to do the same thing. What's the benefit of the template form? Thanks, Kerry. Kerry (talk) 03:44, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

They never used to do the same thing. I hadn't noticed now that they do. Just habit now, I guess. The {{Reflist}} format does allows for columns etc. in the future if needed. Great work on the QHR - a lot of redlinks to turn blue now! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:52, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, well I see benefit in the multi-column idea. I might use {{reflist}} instead. RE the QHR. No, I am not really turning redlinks into bluelinks. What I am actually doing is making a whole lot of redlinks. My immediate goal is to get every QHR site to be at least be redlinked off its location. This means I sometimes have to create the location article in order to place the QHR redlink (occasionally I get lucky and the subject already has a WP page making it a bluelink rather than a redlink). I reckon I am a bit over half way through the task (I believe there are around 1500 QHR sites). Once that's done, I then intend to try to create at least a stub for all of those QHR redlinks (although I recognise it may be a very slow task and hard to maintain enthusiasm). Kerry (talk) 04:09, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
Do you want the good news or the really good news? Not sure how it is in NSW but here in Queensland, every LGA has to maintain a local heritage register. Given that Warwick already has a truckload of QHR entries (not sure of the correct collective noun for heritage listings, a pride?), you will be delighted to know that the Southern Downs Regional Council commissioned a study of potential candidates for their local heritage register which assessed over 800 candidates. In 2011 they called for public comment on a list of 421 of those sites, although I have not been able to find the finalised heritage register following that public comment period (maybe it is not yet finalised). Whatever ... the good news is that it looks like there are plenty more heritage sites to come for Warwick ... :-) Fortunately it may be some time before I get around to the Southern Downs local heritage register. I don't intend to touch the local HRs until I've finished the QHR (which is feeling like a life's work at the moment). Kerry (talk) 03:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
It is the same in NSW. They are generally included in the LGAs Local Environmental Plan as an overlay. I am not convinced about the inherent notability of individual heritage sites of local significance but inclusion in a relevant article would be more than suitable. One of the good things about tackling the QHR is that the work on SLQ and QSA images means we have plenty of photographs to illustrate the articles when they are written. See Commons:Category:Queensland Heritage Register. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 06:45, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

Red Kitten 01.jpg

Thanks for all your help recently. I now have all the QHR sites with at least a redlink. Next step make them bluelinks.

Kerry (talk) 09:03, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Good luck ... :) -- Mattinbgn (talk) 07:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Customs House Hotel, Maryborough[edit]

I think you have linked to a non-existent image? Showing as a broken link on my screen at least. Kerry (talk) 05:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I renamed the file once I had identified the building but I forgot to fix the link on the article. All fixed now, thanks for bringing it to my attention. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 05:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Was there a horse race on today?[edit]

I thought the public holiday was to celebrate me getting into the top 1000. Face-smile.svg --Shirt58 (talk) 09:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Ian Johnson[edit]

I suggested Ian Johnson (cricketer) for TFA on his birthday, please have a look and trim the blurb, even if we should wait for a centenary ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:24, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for that! I did mean to get back to you on this but got caught up and forgot. I will certainly take a look at the blurb. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 02:24, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Unnecessary Dissambiguation -Thank you[edit]

Hello, you recently changed the page 'Kilcunda, Victoria' to 'Kilcunda'. I was wondering, seeing as I have no idea how you did this! Can you please do the same for the page 'Cape Paterson, Victoria' or better yet, it would be great to know how to do that, so that I can do it myself for other Bass Coast (near my home) town pages that I'll be improving.

See: Wikipedia:Moving a page for tips. You need to be careful that the name isn't used elsewhere and that you "clean up" properly afterwards. Note also that you should sign your messages on Talk pages by using four tildes (i.e. ~~~~) Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 02:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, and thanks I've been meaning to practise that. Dalysporter (talk) 02:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]


Thank you for your help:-)

Dalysporter (talk) 05:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope you stick around. :) -- Mattinbgn (talk) 07:14, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Waimakariri District[edit]

Do you want to join WikiProject Waimakariri District? If so, please add your name to the proposal page.

Thanks for all those infoboxes![edit]

Bolas navideñas.jpg Merry Christmas!
Keep up the great work! Kerry (talk) 06:42, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you - all the best for 2014! -- Mattinbgn (talk) 03:55, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

De-amalgamated Shires in Queensland[edit]

Hi, Matt! As you may or may not know, we have four de-amalgamated shires here in Queensland effective today:

I've gone through and updated the text in all 8 of these articles showing the 4 as being now de-amalgamated. But my problems are the maps. All the de-amalgamated shires are back to their old boundaries so their maps are OK, but the maps of the regional councils from which they are de-amalgamated are not OK. The maps were created by User:Roke who appears to have left Wikipedia/Commons in 2010. I am willing to have a go at updating the maps, but I just have no idea what tools/methods were used to create the maps in the first place. So I was wondering if you know anything about how those maps were created? Thanks, Kerry (talk) 05:20, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kerry. I can't help unfortunately but the people at COMMONS:Graphic Lab may be able to. Cheers, Mattinbgn (talk) 06:40, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Great comment[edit]

So great, it made my favorites list! User:Born2cycle#Titles_.28US_cities.29

--B2C 20:22, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

Australia stopped followed the US in enforcing mandatory disambiguation[edit]

Hi Mattinbgn. So you say that sometime around 2010 Australia stopped followed the US in enforcing mandatory disambiguation. I missed that, though I see signs in places. Was there any central discussion (I don't see one), or was it a background decision based upon a few key RM discussion results? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:45, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Have a hunt back though the WT:AWNB and WT:NCGN archives and you should find evidence of the discussion although much of it took place at individual articles where it became clear that the "consensus" wasn't actually there when individual articles were discussed. If you can find where the discussion held at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names)#Clarifying the Australia section is archived you may find some interesting discussion too.
You may be interested in reading User:Mattinbgn/Mandatory disambiguation and User:Mattinbgn/Draft RfC Naming conventions for Australian populated places for exposition of my views.
Not entirely sure why any of it is relevant for your discussion over US place names and attempting to change the existing Australian convention to shore your argument about US place names is very poor form. You have initiated a discussion not out of any real interest in the outcome but simply as a another front in a battle you are fighting elsewhere. In my opinion that sort of action is not helpful at best and disruptive at worst. The Australian project doesn't exist as a place for US editors to fight proxy wars over US place names. -- Mattinbgn (talk) 02:34, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll read. You are wrong about me not having a real interest in Australian city names. I was interested in Australian city naming before coming across WP:USPLACE, which I've considered advantageous. Obviously, I disagree that disambiguation is evil. As I said elsewhere, I think Wikipedia titles are typically too brief. A bit of metadata is a good thing. The Berrigan sign is intended solely for local readers, who reasonably already know they are in NSW. Some things I feel are straight wrong. "The town is not called "Deniliquin, New South Wales" by anyone". It could be, by someone talking about Deniliquin from a national or international perspective. For example, "[ Welcome to Do it in Deni - the place to do it all in Deniliquin NSW". At least you make sense. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:37, 10 January 2014 (UTC)