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Archive 1: December 2006 – April 2010

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Regarding COI[edit]

I don't know what else to tell you on this end, your comment is flattering, but I'm not an experienced editor.I just read the policies. There are procedures in place for dealing with perceived COIs, pursue those if you wish, or take it to user talk. Regardless: its counterproductive to make accusations every time we have a disagreement, and it doesn't help anyone to continually speculate about my motives on the article talk page. Nblund (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Economic growth[edit]

Was reviewing something on state taxes and ran into this "DO TAX STRUCTURES AFFECT AGGREGATE ECONOMIC GROWTH? EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE FROM A PANEL OF OECD COUNTRIES". Tax Foundation Chief Economist Dr. William McBride said of the OECD panel data analysis, they "found progressive income tax systems specifically are negatively related to economic growth. This may occur due to the way these systems disincentivize certain behaviors. According to Dr. McBride, the more we try to make an income tax progressive, the more we undermine the factors that contribute most to economic growth: investment, risk-taking, entrepreneurship, and productivity. This is because high-income earners tend to do much of the saving, investing, risk-taking, and high-productivity labor."[1] I mention this as we were involved in that dispute on Progressive Tax where that OR leap was made in the graph from progressive tax to increased equality to economic growth. I have not moved to add any prose to the article based on that dispute, because my position is to leave it out, but if something does get added, this material should be included as part of NPOV to counter the implied conclusion. Figured I'd share it before I forget about it. Morphh (talk) 20:55, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty confident from the RFC effort that a leap will not happen, absent of a reliable source that draws that conclusion, and then it would need to be something more authoritative than someone's blog. My personal opinion on this matter is that progressive taxes vary quite a bit by region and income type, so it's a bit ridiculous to generalize either way.Mattnad (talk) 21:52, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

@Morphh: have you found any secondary sources which agree? EllenCT (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Education[edit]

FYI, EllenCT also inserted that content here. I wasn't sure if the "supporting source" she referenced in the edit summary was her own, which we previously discussed was not supporting or if she was referring to the source you provided, which you seemed to indicate also did not support that conclusion. Since I haven't had a chance to read the link that you posted, it would be better if you reverted, being familiar with both sources. Morphh (talk) 18:20, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

The supporting source she uses is the same one you read and commented on previously, as it appears in the prose, which essentially states that people with college education earn more, and therefor pay more taxes (Barry; Burtless, Gary; Steuerle, C. Eugene (December 1999). Lifetime Earnings Patterns, the Distribution of Future Social Security Benefits, and the Impact of Pension Reform (report no. CRR WP 1999-06). p.43) It makes no mention of public tuition subsidies. The content for P. 43 is "TABLE 10: TWO WAYS TO MEASURE REPLACEMENT RATES FOR MINT AND SSA, 1931- 1935 BIRTH COHORT (FIGURES IN PERCENT)" I think she is just randomly picking sources that are close to what POV she wants to push. The graph caption "Government investment in college tuition subsidies usually pay for themselves many times over in additional tax revenue" has no supporting source - probably because it's not true, at least not in aggregate. The source I introduced on the talk page indicates that often public tuition subsidies are enjoyed by students who would have gone to college anyway and paid themselves, among other reasons subsidies create distortions.Mattnad (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I note that neither of you have ever addressed the math in either of the law review articles from California or Michigan. EllenCT (talk) 20:38, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Fort Lee lane closure scandal - Complaints about media coverage, with coatracking of unrelated political events can safely be removed.[edit]

Please note my agreement with you in Talk:Fort Lee lane closure scandal#Complaints about media coverage, with coatracking of unrelated political events can safely be removed. about your recent removal of items in the "Reactions and impact' section in the Bridgegate scandal article.

Hopefully, we can gain consensus, or at least a majority, who agree with you and me that these items should be removed. Feel free to add your comments to the Bridgegate Talk section. Wondering55 (talk) 19:03, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Invitation & Thanks[edit]

WikiProject Opera
Hello Mattnad! I noticed your contributions to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Austrian_economics/Workshop#Topic_bans, and thought you might be interested in WikiProject Opera, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of all aspects of opera.

If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can find out more about the project. On the project's talk page editors working in the area can exchange ideas and ask questions. Thanks! – S. Rich (talk) 15:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

@Srich32977: - thanks for the invite. I have a wide range in music interests - however Opera is not one of them, although I suspect you suggested this in recognition of my reference to a classic tune from the Mikado. I was once given excellent tickets for the New York Metropolitan Opera production of La Boheme. I never slept so well ;). Mattnad (talk) 16:34, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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EllenCT[edit]

Her error is a combination of not realizing that there is reasonable disagreement on the matter of whether taxes on the top 1% are progressive, and not understanding "false consciousness". Karl Marx, who was a bad economist but a good theorist of history, understood a concept of false consciousness, in which a class or a segment of a class is systemically mistaken as to their class interests. The horrible example in US history is the Ku Klux Klan, which was founded partly by rich white Southerners, who recruited poor white Southerners, and persuaded them that the cause of their poverty was black Southerners, when the real problem was inequality, that is, the rich white Southerners. My own analysis is that the Tea Party movement is false consciousness. Middle-class Americans have been led by the Koch brothers and others to believe the Tea Party doctrine that all wealthy people are job creators (some are, and some are not) and that all taxes are job-destroying (mainstream economic analysis is that they shift jobs from the private sector to the public sector, and that there may be disagreement as to how effectively this is done). To champion the rich does not mean that one is being paid by the rich, only that one gives more credit to the rich than they deserve. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:39, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon:, no doubt you are correct. For me, this is mostly an issue of having articles that represent the best available information in a cogent and well written fashion. I don't think providing CBO analysis of effective tax rates by income group is championing the rich. It's just providing a fairly authoritative reliable source which EllenCT does not like because it conflicts with her POV. EllenCT is hurting the project and wasting a lot of people's time.Mattnad (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes. My issue with her is that her allegations of paid editing are a serious personal attack. It may be POV editing, but, unless you have evidence, don't call it paid editing. (There is a special case of paid editing that is not commercial editing or paid advocacy editing, and which Wikipedia encourages. That is editing by professors in their areas of expertise.) Anyway, that is my issue. We can agree to disagree about taxes on the rich, but don't claim paid editing. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:57, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Wrong article[edit]

Mattnad, on your recent reply you state the article is about progressive taxation, but I think you meant to say tax policy, perhaps thinking of the other article Ellen was referencing. Morphh (talk) 15:22, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for helping the newcomers[edit]

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Thank you for helping new people be integrated into the discussions on Wikipedia. Greatly appreciated. I am learning a lot.

JackGann (talk) 05:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Do you know how subcategories work? You should read WP:SUBCAT --80.193.191.143 (talk) 11:20, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

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Mattress Performance and Ceci N'est Pas Un Viol[edit]

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1RR issue[edit]

Hi. To avoid 1RR, I'd like to discuss a proposed change. The following language changes the first sentence (to include Operation Rescue), drops the second sentence on Slate, adds a sentence on Republican legislators, keeps the third sentence, and adds a fourth with a quote from factcheck.org.

In 2015, the Center for Medical Progress in partnership with Operation Rescue released videos that they said depicted Planned Parenthood officials discussing the sale of fetal tissue and organs.[1][2] The videos were shown to Republican legislators a month before being made available to the public,[3][4] allowing them to introduce bills to defund Planned Parenthood a week after the first video was released.[5] In response, Planned Parenthood said that they may donate fetal tissue at the request of a patient, but that such tissue is never sold.[6] Jim Vaught, president of the International Society for Biological and Environmental Repositories said that “$30 to $100 per sample is a reasonable charge for clinical operations to recover their costs for providing tissue.”[7]

Would you remove or change any one of these sentences?

Please don't use rollback on this change without discussing first. Thanks. -- Callinus (talk) 03:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Good digging Callinus. I'd leave them in as is. My previous objection was there was a lot of verbiage about the creator of the video which was overweight and undue. This is much more relevant and notable due to the collusion with GOP politicians. I think we might want to add a paraphrased point sourced from the NY Times editorial that the videos were highly edited. Here's what the NYTimes wrote about what was left out in the short video, "the shorter version was edited to eliminate statements by Dr. Nucatola explaining that Planned Parenthood does not profit from tissue donation, which requires the clear consent of the patient. Planned Parenthood affiliates only accept money — between $30 and $100 per specimen, according to Dr. Nucatola — to cover costs associated with collecting and transporting the tissue." [2]Mattnad (talk) 09:57, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Forum shopping[edit]

I know we've had our differences, but I think there's plenty of space for us to continue to collaborate. Posting on the BLP noticeboard after an RfC was not resolved in your favor seems like forum-shopping. You're unlikely to be able to accomplish many of your desired changes without working with the other people who are editing that entry. Including me.

As a secondary matter, I'd like to again ask you to try to find a way to summarize the criticisms of outside groups (like FIRE) rather than offering a laundry list of individual cases. The Campus Sexual Assault page, as currently written, is rapidly approaching the upper limit for a readable entry, and the amount of digital ink dedicated to claims of false rape accusations seems disproportionate to the amount dedicated to instances where colleges failed to protect students. There are certainly plenty of stories and anecdotes that might be illustrative of the campus sexual assault problem -- but they aren't included because I think they aren't really appropriate for an overview article. Nblund (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Nblund, if you're looking to resolve difference, accusing me of forum shopping is not the way to go about it. Another editor restored the paragraph, not I. I simply asked the BLP/N what could be done with it to make it BLP compliant. Removing the direct links to the Sclove lawsuit is what's required. That's not forum shopping. That's looking for input on how to remove the BLP concerns which were the basis of excluding the entire paragraph. And frankly, neutral input is useful in these matters.
To argue that this is a "review" article, and then leave in the details of particular campus activism (Sulcowicz and Sclove) that has no counterpoint is somewhat one sided and not NPOV. But there is no other article on campus sexual assault hearings under the new Title IX guidance. So this is the only place, and it's not a particularly long article even as is. Having the counterpoint is very much part of the challenges in sexual assault matters. I'm not interested in false rape claim stories in this article as you've suggested. You may have noted I have not bothered with the Duke Lacrosse case or the UVA Rape on Campus material. I'm interested in how schools have been forced into the middle of this and are not doing well in handling it and it's a major issue in the news, and leading to pushes for change on balancing rights.
I'll add that this edit suggests you don't understand what "exculpatory" means. Just to explain a little if needed, "exculpatory" refers to evidence that favors the defendant. Quoting the Boston Globe article that's the reference, "In the lawsuit, Stern argues that the texts contain evidence that make it clear the sexual encounter with Doe was consensual and initiated by Jones; that she deliberately misled the college’s investigator and the hearing board; that she was motivated to make the allegations so her roommate would not blame her for what happened; and that Doe, who was incapacitated that night, is the real victim in the case." So, does that favor the defendant? I think it does. I'm going to presume you don't understand what exculpatory means, and restore it. However, if you insist on the details, we can quote the Boston Globe, as well as as several sources that go into even more gory detail, and we can include those, with quotes including how in some of her text messages included details of her intent to have sex with, and did have sex with the man she immediately invited over after the alleged assault. But I was keeping it pretty high level and avoiding adding material to further illustrate the basis of the lawsuit.Mattnad (talk) 21:49, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
If we're going to talk about balance, I've noted you have never once including a stat about the rates of sexual assaults on males in the many bits of unverifiable/reviewable research you put in. Unless someone happens to have university library handy, there's no way to verify the accuracy of what you've included. However, if we're going to work together, you might want to use your more ample resources to include a broader view.Mattnad (talk) 22:05, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm sure it wasn't intentional, but seeking out comments from a noticeboard after shortly after a lengthy RfC decided against including the material certainly fits the bill for "forum shopping". This is disruptive, its counter-productive, and it disregards the views of other editors -- all of whom participated in an RfC at your request and who remained civil even when things got dicey. If you won't cut it out for my sake, then consider this: its entirely possible that this conflict may end up in some sort of formal dispute resolution process, and this sort of stuff will look very bad to an outside arbitrator. Just be civil, assume good faith, and stop bad-mouthing people just for disagreeing with you.
Academic articles are not "unverifiable" just because you personally can't access them (see: WP:PAYWALL). If you're interested in reading some of the papers, PM me your email address and I'll send you a pdf, or make a request through the Wiki project resource request page. I can recommend this report, from the National Research Council as an excellent (free and ungated) overview of the existing research. I'm not concealing anything from you, the scholarly research just really doesn't favor the view that the rates of rape and sexual assault are significantly lower than the levels reported in the CSA. Its really not even a debate among scholars. For all I know, the conventional wisdom may be completely wrong, but I genuinely can't find scholarly evidence that supports that view.
The remaining stuff is probably better discussed on the talk page, given that there are other editors involved in the dispute. Nblund (talk) 04:13, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Wikitable[edit]

Hey Mattnad, since you're putting the table together I thought you might find this useful: http://www.tablesgenerator.com/mediawiki_tables

I found it to be wayyy less of a pain in the ass to create a table in that rather than trying to write out the code by hand. Nblund (talk) 15:53, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks. I had looked for something like that, but didn't find this one.Mattnad (talk) 16:17, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight)[edit]

Mattnad, I recall you previously avoided being blocked for edit warring, by assuring admin Darkwind that you would no longer be editing the article Mattress Performance (Carry That Weight) [3], but not only have you been actively editing the article, you seem to have been editing it disruptively, such as edit warring [4] and posting misleading inaccurate comments about fellow editor A21sauce on WP:BLPN [5], which seem to border on WP:UNCIVIL. A21Sauce’s rationale for deletion was not that the editor who added it was male, and she opened a talk page discussion regarding her deletion [6]. The comment you linked on BLPN from a user talk page, not the article talk page, seems to be a reference to a discussion on Sarah's talk page which included this: “the talk-page atmosphere, which has included a comment about a woman leading someone on, and asking that it be unprotected so that anon IPs can comment on a video of a rape reenactment, after a beer. (One woman referred to this exchange as a mini Elks Club gathering.)” [7], [8]. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 18:43, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

User:BoboMeowCat, what I recall is that you tried to get me blocked on a technicality, and what I said is that I would not edit for a while and did not. But you knew that, or have a poor memory. That most recent edit warring notice was based on a single edit I made after a days hiatus and A21sauce was out of line putting a 3RR notice on my page. Based on her criteria, you've edit warred many times. As for A21sauce's comments on SlimVirgin's talk page, those were gender biased on face value, "Hi, the boys have put in a Camille Paglia quote, lengthening the section on responses" and "The editors chiming in are guys". There is none of the quote you referenced above in that talk page section. Perhaps you should reread it.Mattnad (talk) 00:53, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Mattnad, you avoided a block for a clear violation of 3RR, not a technicality, by saying you wouldn't edit the article. The admin's closing statement included: @Mattnad: You clearly broke 3RR in this case, and it is not at all clear that the BLP exception to 3RR would apply in this case. However, given that blocks are not punitive and you have stated that you will not continue to edit this article, I don't see that it would be productive or helpful to block you from editing.[9].
Another editor has already pointed out your error on this matter on your talk page. And I noted how you've avoided the more salient issues regarding A21sauces' postings. Did she, or did she not reference the "boys" and "guys"? Did she or did she not post a 3RR warning after a single edit? Come on User:BoboMeowCat, inquiring minds want to know.Mattnad (talk) 01:07, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Mattnad, glancing over the edit history, it hasn't been a single edit. If you've decided to go ahead and edit there again, contentious reverts honestly seem to be an odd way to start. Article history shows reverts beginning August 10th--BoboMeowCat (talk) 01:00, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
User:BoboMeowCat, your still avoiding the questions and point. I did not violate 3rr, as A21sauce suggested anymore than you have. And you're not addressing what was really posted on SlimVirgin's talk page by A21sauce. Why is that? Do you endorse that kind of thing?Mattnad (talk) 01:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

barnstar[edit]

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For your work putting the table together. LavaBaron (talk) 23:21, 26 August 2015 (UTC)