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Sergio Barila

Matty, please,

do you know how one goes about "resurrecting" the FIFA.com related external links (they crashed down in the summer, don't know exactly when, but slowly have been being "resurrected")? Link was removed (hopefully because of that, GS "dared" me to improve the page without saying anything after his last actions, and i'm on it believe me, tomorrow will add more refs) and i reinstated it, but in its dead form.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 06:11, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

You could try https://web.archive.org/ to see if they've been archived? Mattythewhite (talk) 15:00, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I thanked you for you redirecting me there, but the thing is, AGAIN, i can't make heads or tails of the technicality. Do i have to ask a bot to perform the deed, or otherwise? Also, if you play "check the differences" with a revived link (please see this one as example https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/player/359436/) there seems to be none with Mr. Barila's one, except for the due numerical difference as each and every player/coach has their own entry.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 23:39, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

You can do it manually, by using the |archiveurl= and |archivedate= parameters. I'm not sure what you mean by "check the differences", or how the Eder link is related to Barila's. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:47, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks again. What i meant is both URLs have the exact same outline except for the last digits, but when you click on Barila's it is dead, and Eder's works. --Quite A Character (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps FIFA have taken down their profiles for older players? Mattythewhite (talk) 23:53, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Well thought of, indeed. But turns out it's a "no", kind fellow user, have a look at this chap i just found (https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/player/58309/ even older than Mr. Barila), URL alive and kicking... --Quite A Character (talk) 00:09, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Obviously, Mr. Sousa is not a goalkeeper! Have a look at this even older Portuguese player (https://www.fifa.com/worldcup/players/player/47354/ this one is correct, a GK indeed!), also working. What seems to catch the eye now, unfortunately, is that no individual matches (finals, qualifiers) are sourced in the players' profiles, only total appearances. We'll be hard-pressed now to use this as anything other than an external link, methinks... --Quite A Character (talk) 00:14, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Quite A Character: You can use the IABot Management Interface to create archive links for any dead references in an article (presuming they have previously been archived by one of the systems it supports). Nzd (talk) 18:02, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) An older format for the player pages was www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/players/player=...../ ; Mr Barila's profile does have an archive copy using that format. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:48, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
@Nzd:, :@Struway:, i'm afraid i'm at a loss as to what to do. Can either of you perform the task please, if you know how? Many thanks in advance, have a nice week --Quite A Character (talk) 02:43, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry @Quite A Character, I hadn't looked closely enough and see now that this is an issue with using the {{FIFA player}} template (so IABot wouldn't have worked anyway). It looks like just feeding the ID to the template will assume the new URL format, which obviously won't work if that page was never migrated over. There would need to be a way to tell the template to present an archive from the old format, I think (although I am no expert). This would need to be raised with the template editors on the talk page. Failing that, I think you'd need to forego the template and use a variation on one of these (at least for the time being):
  • Sergio Javier Barila – FIFA competition record at the Wayback Machine (archived 2012-11-04)
  • "Sergio Javier Barila". FIFA. Archived from the original on 2012-11-04.
  • Sergio BarilaFIFA competition record
HTH, Nzd (talk) 03:36, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Okeydokey @Nzd:, thanks! I'll go with the latter, hopefully it will be "templated" soon; I'll also go to the talk page you direct me to, and raise the issue there. --Quite A Character (talk) 17:38, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Thierry Henry

Instead of removing genuine, factual edits where all it is missing is a ref, here's a novel idea...

Why not add them yourself? - BoogieFreeman (talk) 13:19, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

WP:BURDEN. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:07, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Bruno (footballer)

I think i was in the right to apply rollback here, no? I bet my right hand this was User:Harry J Beeney, blocked for reasons detailed in their talkpage. Main interest in editing, again, Brighton & HA-related content.

Sorry for any inconvenience if not, attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 12:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Possibly, as you were reverting a likely sock puppet, although most of his edit seemed fine, apart from the malformed timestamp. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:32, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Indeed. User:Struway2 has already taken care of that (i was about to undo one of my edits, the one in the chart below, but he duly beat me to it), and i acknowledged that in his talkpage. --Quite A Character (talk) 17:48, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Seeing as I was mentioned... Not convinced he is socking, personally: he's not blocked, judging by the userpage he's hardly making a secret of who he is, and the previous account hasn't edited since the new one started. Might have just lost his password and made himself a new account. I did just that many years ago. And heaven only knows why Cluebot picked this up as likely vandalism. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
You're right, I wrongly thought the previous account must have been blocked. I've already asked him why he's created a new account. Mattythewhite (talk) 18:16, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Sock

See this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/109.153.226.234), duly blocked by you? New IP found at Jesús Navas, this is beyond ridiculous (the piping of some clubs and others not, and if you humour them they'll still revert you)!!

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 21:53, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

  • Well? I have already reverted, now await to be re-reverted... --Quite A Character (talk) 17:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
    • I've blocked them for block evasion, although I can't say I disagree with this particular edit. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:39, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

And the lack of coherence (some clubs piped, others not), and the utter nuisance overall (i cannot stress the Cristhian Stuani situation enough, when i was actually meeting their editorial expectations and piping ALL clubs, and still got reverted!)? In the meantime, i see they reverted me again, and you also blocked that address. --Quite A Character (talk) 19:02, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

OK, they win again, i went in and piped all clubs (probably, will still be reverted). I think it's just a matter of aesthetics and no gross editorial violation to leave clubs unpiped in storyline, and i happen to like them better that way (compressing in box and intro). But you do agree with me that coherence should be the name of the game, no?

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 19:08, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Coherence, in what regard? Mattythewhite (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

The piping of clubs (some piped, others left in full). Speaking of Mr. Navas' article, i have finished the cleanup. --Quite A Character (talk) 19:37, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I agree that club names should usually be piped. But that seems to go against your reverts at Navas, in which you restored the full club name to Sevilla? Mattythewhite (talk) 19:46, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

WOW, this is getting to be a rather unproductive exchange (meaning no disrespect, it's just i feel you are not understanding my reasonings and thus we are running around in circles)... I restored the version where ALL the club names were unpiped (not only Sevilla), to be coherent and because this utter nuisance (the sock) is really getting on my nerves. Immediately after that, i piped them ALL (not only Sevilla) and thus humoured both the sock and all the users (yourself included) that like clubs to be piped in storyline.

Attentively --Quite A Character (talk) 20:01, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

So I take it that what you would advocate is leaving *all* club names unpiped? So club names presented like FC Barcelona, Manchester United F.C. etc, in all instances? Mattythewhite (talk) 20:19, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I think i had a discussion with a fellow user years ago, and there i think i heard it would be best to pipe all English clubs, and nothing was said of non-English clubs, so i deduced it was a matter of personal preference to pipe/unpipe clubs from other nations. To this day, i continue to see HUNDREDS (if not THOUSANDS) of articles with clubs written in full in storyline/intro (and this includes foreign players with solid careers in England), and not a problem stemming from that; i do acknowledge (again), that most experienced users in the footy community think all clubs should be piped, but i have seen a few (not only me, i assure you that) that do not mind otherwise, at all.

Which leads to this other question i pose you: would you consider this a minor thing, editorial-wise (the presentation of clubs)? Should they be left unpiped, does it grossly violate the WP:COMMONNAME principle? --Quite A Character (talk) 21:37, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

It seems unnecessary to leave them unpiped when the context of football has been established. WP:COMMONNAME applies to article titles, so isn't relevant. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:45, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

League honours

Hi Matty, do you have any 'usual sources' for league honours? I'm trying to source Shaun Newton's 1999–2000 First Division entry but haven't managed to find anything citable. It appears he did get a medal, which was offered for sale at one point. Nzd (talk) 04:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Funny you should ask, as I have recently started using the Rothmans/Sky Sports Yearbooks for league honours. They don't state who won medals (finding this out for most competitions is difficult), so I use the league appearances and league tables they list. I've added this for Newton's 1999/2000 First Division honour. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:25, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Nice one, cheers for doing that. Nzd (talk) 17:51, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Citation bot/Iggy the Swan

Can this be stopped? I've left a message asking them to stop but they're either carrying on regardless or running automatically, Either way, it's doing more damage than good. thanks, Struway2 (talk) 15:50, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I've reported it, although I don't know how long it'll take before being actioned though... Mattythewhite (talk) 16:02, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

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Glenn Murray

Hi there,

I've added perfectly good statistics to Glenn Murray by adding his overall Brighton statistics and you keep reverting my edits, why is this?

You also taken away the fact he won the play offs in 2013 underneath the honours bit.

Please may you keep it up there.

Cheers.

Beeney. Beeney xx (talk) 09:21, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Thomas Lemar

Would you take some time to tell me, what's wrong in my edit in the page "Thomas Lemar". I have added an appropriate verifiable source to the edit. Considering the context of the game, he was instrumental in helping his team reaching the next round. Such performances are worth to be noted. If I am not wrong, we have had talks earlier threatening me of getting blocked. This time I have haven't done anything wrong. Anyway as an administrator, you will have the final say on the article. Cheers!!! Ninad05mestry (talk) 13:08, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Is that notable for inclusion though? Players help their teams into the next rounds of competitions all the time, it doesn't mean it has to be recorded in a Wikipedia biography. Btw I may be an admin but that doesn't mean I have the "final say" on a content dispute. Mattythewhite (talk) 15:26, 10 December 2018 (UTC)