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Erik Prince[edit]

You reverted this edit, commenting failure of NPOV. It didn't look that way to me, the only defect I saw in that edit was that there was a typo which needed to be corrected (and I was waiting for reviewer permission to accept the change before fixing it). Prince's current occupation should normally have the lead, and the edit doesn't remove his controversial past. If anything, by removing "philanthropist", it moves it towards neutrality. Could you take a second look at that edit, please? Thanks, Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 23:45, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

My own third look shows a sentence I didn't notice as problematic in the lede: Blackwater was contracted by the US State Department for thousands of missions in Iraq and Afghanistan and its contractors have been linked to the killing of innocent civilians. If we take out that sentence, would the rest of the edit stand? I dislike losing the more current details of Frontier. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 23:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with updating the lead with information noting his work with Frontier. However replacing "philanthropist" with "controversial" and claiming Blackwater was contracted for "thousands of missions in Iraq and Afghanistan and its contractors have been linked to the killing of innocent civilians" violates NPOV. Meatsgains (talk) 03:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)


I did ping on the DJ's discussion page but perhaps you didn't see it. Full list of topics at Sigala, sources at "Sigala is" and "Sigala was" Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 22:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

@In ictu oculi: Please keep this discussion on the article's talk page here. Thanks. Meatsgains (talk) 23:29, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


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Need help[edit]

We need more neutral opinions here. Please help! Thanx! --SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:51, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Your prod[edit]

Meatsgains, I just undid your prod on Fletcher_Mulnix. I explained my reasons for doing so on the talk page. The short version of it is , the source referenced in the article states he's the 17 year old announcer for The Minnesota Lynx (Women's pro basketball team) and a backup announcer for the Timberwolves. That, in and of itself, is notable. Yes I know it wasn't in the article, but the source made mention of it. Thanks KoshVorlon 18:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I do not oppose removing the PROD tag given your reasoning. I took a look at the article after it was mentioned on BLPN and after reading through it, the subject appeared to lack notability. I didn't do any digging into the references. Thanks for the update! Meatsgains (talk) 22:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)
Meatsgains, what was the reason for | this edit . The source isn't a dead link and it appears to be reliable. KoshVorlon 15:33, 12 February 2016 (UTC) Please disregard this edit - Editing without coffee again and I though you removed the link to the article where they explained he was a 17 year announcer, you actually removed the page (which I can't see due to my work firewall anyway). My bad KoshVorlon 17:24, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
The external link I removed is broken and notes "Page not Found" when I pull it up on my computer. Would you mind providing me the link that must be working for you? Meatsgains (talk) 15:41, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
@KoshVorlon: No worries! Got to get that first cup of coffee in first lol. Meatsgains (talk) 01:12, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

JunHong Lu's page[edit]

Hi Meatsgain, Thanks for your feedback. I have tried my best editing JunHong Lu's page according to WP:Peacock and WP:Coatrack and update the page. I hope you can point out specific area that not meeting any policies instead of revert the whole page. Appreciated. Thanks again for your effort and help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peace n Mercy (talkcontribs) 14:07, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I suggest you take this discussion to the article talk page or the NPOVN post here. In doing so, we can discuss what content warrants inclusion to the page. Thanks, Meatsgains (talk) 19:34, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Help with Jarret Myer?[edit]

Hi there! I'm reaching out to see if you might have some time to look over my revised draft for the Jarret Myer article and, if it looks OK, move it to the live article? Another editor has already reviewed and given their OK, but have been offline since. As I noted in the RfC, I have a financial COI so I won't make edits myself. Thanks! Heatherer (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

@Heatherer: I'm confused as to why your draft is on your user page. I'd suggest taking it to your sandbox here. Hope that helps some. Let me know when you upload your draft there and I'll take a look at it. Meatsgains (talk) 04:39, 16 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Thanks for the note and advice! I appreciate your offer to help, but I no longer need it. This draft has been reviewed and edited. I just forgot to make a note of it here. Thanks again! Heatherer (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion[edit]

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Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Kyle Bass: Fund Performance[edit]

Greetings, given your experience in WikiProject Finance articles and your interest in hedge funds, I wanted to flag a potential issue on the Kyle Bass page. The entire Fund Performance subsection contains speculative information about the performance of Hayman Capital that is not accurate, verifiable or necessarily relevant to a BLP page. The NY Post article cited as a source does not meet the NPOV standard for a BLP page and it does not share a source for its information.

I have flagged this on the Talk page for Kyle Bass and the BLP noticeboard but wanted to reach out to you, as well, given your stature in the community.

My name is Steele and I work at Hayman Capital Management, L.P., which was founded by J. Kyle Bass in 2005. My goal is to serve as a resource in support of Wikipedia’s three core content policies. I will not be making edits, but rather participating in the community discussions. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 19:19, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: Welcome! First I wanted to thank you for messaging me and I am happy to help out in any way I can to get these issues resolved. I'm glad to see you are following Wikipedia policy and involved in community discussion. I noticed that you have addressed problems on the article's talk page and the BLPN. If you can, please breakdown your concerns with the current version of Bass' page and I will address them one by one. I have a couple other page's and discussions I am currently working on but will begin on this issue as soon as I can. Look forward to hearing from you! Meatsgains (talk) 23:46, 9 March 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Thank you for your note and for the welcome. I am happy to provide a breakdown of potential issues with the Kyle Bass Wikipedia page and look forward to working with you (and the rest of the community) to help address what is listed below.
I will respond to each of the points listed below however, if it takes me a few days to get back to you, please be patient as I am very busy. Meatsgains (talk) 00:14, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect source citation[edit]

  • Ethics allegation (Barron’s source doesn’t contain this information, suggest removing): "Despite his early successes he has received criticisms for some of his investments both for their performance and for ethical reasons."
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: I don't see many reliable sources affirming the claim that he has "ethical issues", except maybe a few involving drug patent disputes, so I think we can get rid of that piece of the sentence. The other part seems to be well supported, so I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on the issue of "fund performance". The direct quote from the Barron's piece is:
"Bass’ track record of identifying global imbalances and profiting from them catapulted the unflappable former bond salesman to stardom,” causing him to be “ a visionary who had a clear-headed plan for investing in a world where economies have been wildly distorted by artificially low interest rates,” Bass had “had a dismal time of it recently in the land of investment. Suddenly, the former luminary can’t seem to get anything right."
Is something like this preferable? Meatsgains (talk) 00:22, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: I went ahead and removed the "ethical" allegation that was not supported in the source provided. Meatsgains (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Thanks for checking into this. To answer your question – no, there still appears to be a few inaccuracies.
First, "former bond salesman" is incorrect as he never worked in fixed income. A more accurate description would be “former finance executive”.
Second, the last quote is speculative because performance is not publically available and this statement assumes knowledge of Kyle’s entire investment outcomes. Additionally, the Barron’s article used as the source concedes that "it’s difficult to know exactly how Bass’ funds are doing…" and then further acknowledges it might be based on unsourced press report claims. Given the uncertainty created by contradictory statements from the same source, it would be best to remove the last portion of this edit. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 17:27, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: To make things easier, rather than discussing my proposed version above (since I already removed the "ethics" portion from the page), what points of contention do you have with the following statement, which is how Bass' page currently reads after my edits:
Despite his early success in predicting subprime mortgages, he has received criticism for some of his investments for their performance.
The Barron's article does note that "it’s difficult to know exactly how Bass’ funds are doing" but Bass' investments have undoubtedly received criticism. Meatsgains (talk) 22:47, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: I agree with that approach and thank you again for addressing the ethics edit. I think a potential compromise could be to:
1) Balance the edits you proposed with the following based on what is contained in the Barron’s article referenced:
After his early success in predicting subprime mortgages, he has received some criticism for some of his investments for their performance, however it’s difficult to know exactly how Bass’ funds are doing.
2) Consider moving the sentence to the ‘Fund Performance’ section. Let me know what you think. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
I know you are claiming the statement is "speculative" but we are to report what is covered in reliable sources. If the information published in the Barron's article is false, you should try and get it corrected there as soon as possible. Information like this tends to propagate if it isn't stopped at the source. Also, I think the information does belong in the WP:LEAD since it accurately summarizes his investments. Meatsgains (talk) 22:08, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Celgene statement (WSJ source doesn’t contain this information, suggest removing): “Celgene also told the patent office that the CFAD had threatened to challenge its patents unless Celgene paid CFAD an unspecified amount.”
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: The WSJ article notes that Celgene emailed the patent office and alleged that CFAD "threatened" to challenge its patents unless it "met their demands". I don't agree with removing the statement but it certainly should be modified to better reflect the source. Below is the direct quote from the WSJ article:
"Celgene attorneys made this point in a June 3 email to the patent office. But there was more. They also alleged that his coalition threatened to challenge Celgene patents “unless Celgene met their demands.” Those demands weren’t specified, but the email states that “when Celgene did not pay,” the patent challenges were filed, according to the patent office order, which cited the email."
Here is what I think it could be changed to: Celgene also told the patent office that the CFAD "threatened" to challenge its patents unless Celgene "met their demands." Let me know what you think. Meatsgains (talk) 21:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: I think the issue with these edits are they are not substantiated by anything more than allegations. The WSJ article clearly states that the information is “alleged” and the source for the quotes are unsubstantiated accusations from the patent owner’s counsel (PDF). The allegations were never corroborated (PDF – Section III ) as evidence of that communication was never produced. Additionally, the allegations the patent owner claimed in a request for sanctions were summarily rejected by the United States Patent and Trademark Office when they denied Celgene's motion for sanctions. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
The "allegations" are still noteworthy but we will need to accurately report them as such by giving in-text attribution. Again, rather than removing the information, what would you propose we change it to? Meatsgains (talk) 02:48, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: How about editing to the following?
Celgene also told the patent office, through counsel, that CFAD had threatened to challenge its patents unless Celgene met CFAD’s demands, however this statement was never substantiated with any documentation during the course of the USPTO PTAB proceedings. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 15:09, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
That seems fair. Can you replace this source you provided above with another? It just takes me to the home page? Thanks! Meatsgains (talk) 16:42, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
I've modified the content to reflect your suggestion. Feel free to provide me with another source for support though. Meatsgains (talk) 02:44, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: I think that is a good compromise. I also replaced the source you asked for. Thank you for taking the lead on this. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 01:07, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for providing another source! I went ahead and added it to the page. Meatsgains (talk) 01:55, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

No source/unverifiable source[edit]

  • Subprime mortgages (non-verifiable source, suggest removing): “Bass admits that he was tipped off by an investment banker from New York City while both were attending a wedding in Spain.” There is no easily-verifiable copy of this interview and thus it should not be considered a source for a BLP page.
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: The content is also supported in this article published by Financial Times. Unfortunately it is behind a WP:PAYWALL. Meatsgains (talk) 21:37, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Thank you for finding an alternate source. The phrase ‘’“admits that he was tipped off”‘’ is a misleading characterization of a discussion described in the letter. Per the FT source, Kyle describes a discussion he had with a senior executive of a brokerage firm about the workings of the subprime CDO market at the time. While a discussion took place (per the FT source), it is not an instance of being "tipped off" as the Wikipedia content states. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 17:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
I'd argue "tipped off" is a neutral description however, I do understand your concerns. Perhaps we can rephrase "tipped off" to avoid misleading some readers to something along the lines of: "briefed", "notified", "warned", or "cautioned". Meatsgains (talk) 23:42, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: That sounds like a good approach. Perhaps this could work?
Bass first began formulating his subprime strategy after he met with an investment banker from New York while attending a wedding in Spain where they discussed how and why the Subprime Mezzanine CDO business existed. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 15:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: I like the alternative you proposed - removing the term "tipped off" and neutralizing the content. I went ahead and made these changes here. Meatsgains (talk) 22:18, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
I also added another source to support the information. Meatsgains (talk) 22:19, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Thank you for looking into this. I think this is a NPOV-friendly representation. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 01:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Challenging drug patents (no source, suggest removing): “His challenges drew criticism because he shorted the targeted companies before challenging their patents, thus bringing down their stock prices and making a quick profit.”
@Meatsgains: There is still no source attached to this claim. Suggest removing, but open to your thoughts. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 02:12, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
The Barron's piece included in the section notes the following:
"Finally, Bass is courting controversy with a new investment tactic recently adopted by his fund. He teamed up with Erich Spangenberg, CEO of IPNav, to challenge what they argue are questionable patents held by pharmaceutical companies to stifle competition from the generic marketplace...Bass will not discuss this investment because it has become a hot-button issue in Washington, D.C. Members in both the House and the Senate are in the process of changing the law on patent challenges to exclude persons who actively short the target company’s shares."
The reference should be moved to support the statement but it is sourced. I don't see the information as controversial but maybe it can be neutralized? Meatsgains (talk) 02:02, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
  • Challenging drug patents (no source, suggest removing): “Bass later admitted that his motive was indeed profit, but insisted that he was not alone in this.”
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: The information is supported in this article by Bloomberg. Could you clarify what specific piece is unsourced? Thanks! Meatsgains (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Thanks again for sourcing this - initially, there was no source attached to the claim. The Bloomberg source is not a direct quote and the information has been portrayed much differently in other publications, notably: The New York Times, Bloomberg and Reuters. Specifically, the NYT states: ‘’“Mr. Bass and Mr. Spangenberg say the coalition’s aim is to bring down drug prices that are kept artificially high by dubious patents.”’’ Given the discrepancy, I would suggest removing entirely. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
To abide by WP:NPOV, we are to report what is covered in reliable sources. The Bloomberg article confirms Bass admitted his "motive was indeed profit". To keep the article balanced, we need to provide both sides of the argument, which we do. In the paragraph above, it is noted that Bass initiated challenging pharmaceutical patents "to encourage competition in the manufacture of pharmaceuticals and thus bring down prices." Meatsgains (talk) 23:53, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Understood, but given the New York Times piece contains a direct quote attributable to Kyle Bass and the Bloomberg piece does not, it seems as though the Bloomberg piece is given undue weight when discussing motives.
Additionally the phrasing of “claimed” vs. “admitted” between the motivations listed in the two paragraphs alludes to a nefarious motive that is in no way represented by any source. Furthermore, the chronological order is incorrect as the New York Times article was written three months (November) after the initial Bloomberg source (August). Logically, the statement does not make sense to say that he claimed A and then admitted B if B came before A. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 15:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
The NYT piece you referenced opens by noting, "Now Mr. Bass is wagering against pharmaceutical companies that he says exploit the patent system, keeping drug prices - and their profits - in the stratosphere." Also, the Reuters article notes, "Kyle Bass has defended his investment strategy of challenging drug patents after criticism from a biotech company, saying he can do good for society and make a profit." Again, the first sentence of the Challenging drug patents section on Bass' page starts by stating "Bass founded the Coalition for Affordable Drugs (CFAD) in order to challenge pharmaceutical patents." We are not giving undue weight to his strategy to make a profit - we are simply reporting what is covered in reliable sources. Seems the issue here is over use of the term "admitted"? Meatsgains (talk) 02:36, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: I think that is a fair assessment of the situation. My concern is the phrase “Bass later admitted that his motive was indeed profit” misrepresents the situation, as evidenced by the sources you outlined. In the Reuters piece, Bass attributes both doing good and making a profit as the motives to his investment. Additionally, “later admitted” is not an accurate representation as, per the quotes from the sources you outline, doing good and making a profit were motives and it was never “later admitted” that profit was the sole goal.
Perhaps a version of this sentence could read: “As a fiduciary, profit was a motive for Bass, but he was not alone in this as the pharmaceutical companies targeted were also focused on profit.”
Let me know what you think. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 02:04, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
@SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP: I went ahead and neutralized the content to read:
Profit was a motive for Bass, but he insisted he was not alone in this as the pharmaceutical companies targeted were also focused on profit.
Let me know what you think! Meatsgains (talk) 18:47, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Self-published citation[edit]

  • Japan (self-published source, suggest removing): “For several years, Bass has been predicting impending financial crisis for Japan, describing its approach to financing debt as a Ponzi scheme similar to Bernie Madoff's investment scam. Most experts have disagreed with his analysis.”
The ValueWalk article notes, "Bass compared Japan’s method of financing its debt to the massive ponzi scheme by Bernie Madoff". The article was written by Jacob Wolinsky, Editor in Chief of ValueWalk. Can you explain how you see this as a "self-published" source? This site is consistently used throughout Wikipedia and meets WP:RS. Meatsgains (talk) 02:23, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

BLP relevance[edit]

  • First sentence in bio and photo
Based on other HF manager BLP pages, consider revising the very first sentence to read: “J. Kyle Bass (born September 7, 1969) is an American hedge-fund manager. He is the founder and principal of Hayman Capital Management, LP, a Dallas-based hedge fund focused on global event-driven opportunities.” (source: SALT Conference Speaker Biographies, 2016)
WP:LEAD notes that the lead serves as "an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents". Are you suggesting we remove "Bass successfully predicted and benefited from the subprime mortgage crisis by purchasing credit default swaps on subprime securities issued by various investment banks" from the lead? I think by removing the content, we would not be summarizing the article's most important points. Meatsgains (talk) 01:07, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: Completely agree that the 2008 subprime reference needs to be included. Does this make sense?
“J. Kyle Bass (born September 7, 1969) is an American hedge-fund manager. He is the founder and principal of Hayman Capital Management, LP, a Dallas-based hedge fund focused on global event-driven opportunities. In 2008, Bass successfully predicted and effectively bet against the U.S. subprime mortgage crisis by purchasing credit default swaps on subprime securities which, in turn, increased in value when the real estate bubble burst.” SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 03:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
Additionally, I have uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Feel free to update the page with this new image. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 21:57, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the image you uploaded has been removed. I suggest you read through Image use policy to upload a fair use image and I'd be more than happy to add it! Meatsgains (talk) 21:57, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. In compliance with Wikipedia's copyright and licensing image use policy, I have re-uploaded the image (that is my own work / have rights to) here: I have posted the image to the Kyle Bass BLP page, but defer to you for any other suggestions. Thanks again. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 22:42, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
  • The entire Fund Performance subsection contains speculative information about the performance of Hayman Capital that is not accurate, verifiable or necessarily relevant to a BLP page about Kyle Bass. The NY Post article cited as a source does not meet the NPOV standard for a BLP page and it does not share a source for its information.
Considering the subsection on the hedge fund's performance is only five sentences long, it would not qualify for WP:UNDUE weight on a BLP. Are you suggesting we condense the section? Below is a breakdown of the information from the subsection with reliable sources I found for support.
"Hayman Capital earned 212% in 2007 by shorting subprime mortgages. In the next 8 years, the fund averaged 1.56% annualized." Institutional Investor
"Bass' Macro Opportunities Master Fund went down 32% in a single month, April 2012, by which time it had declined 61% in value since its founding in July 2010." Value Walk
"Hayman fell more than 6% in the first quarter of 2014." Wall Street Journal
Any specific reason why you think a brief mention of Hayman Capital's performance isn't relevant to Bass' page? Thanks! Meatsgains (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2016 (UTC)


I hope this list is helpful and I appreciate your help walking me through this process. Look forward to working together. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 17:24, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem! Like I said, I'm glad I can help. Also, I've broken the points listed above into subsections for ease of editing and discussing. We can now discuss content under each subsection. Hope you don't mind. Meatsgains (talk) 00:18, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I think breaking into subsections is a great idea. Let me know how I can further assist and, again, I look forward to working with you and the community. SteeleatHaymanCapitalManagementLP (talk) 17:25, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Always and for Real[edit]

I invite you to join in AFD discussion. --George Ho (talk) 20:31, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

@George Ho: Thanks for notifying me about the AfD discussion for Always and for Real. Meatsgains (talk) 01:01, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Merrick Garland[edit]

Garland hasn't been formally nominated yet so under our policy about bios of living people let's hold off claiming that leaks and rumors are true --In actu (Guerillero) | My Talk 14:23, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

@In actu: Works for me. Do you know when Obama is set to "officially" announce? Meatsgains (talk) 14:29, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
30 Minutes (11 AM Eastern Time) --In actu (Guerillero) | My Talk 14:30, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Meatsgains (talk) 14:35, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

sudhir chaudary page[edit]

you adding the controversy more but its all false they had a sting operation to caught this person and then they made such false video and that sting operation news you saying the

source : please check the video of all and the final judgment

so it my humble request dont hate the know people who doing great news for india

just check him on youtube

Post your concerns on the article's talk page here. The information you are trying to remove is reliably sourced. Meatsgains (talk) 20:27, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Alberto P. León[edit]

I took down the BLP prod for Alberto P. León-the guy died in 2001 so it was ineligible, take it as a normal prod or a AFD if you think it should be deleted. Wgolf (talk) 02:52, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

@Wgolf: Thanks for the notification - I went ahead and PROD'd the page.
@Wgolf: After the PROD was removed by the page's creator, I took it to AfD. Meatsgains (talk) 02:14, 18 April 2016 (UTC)


You have a reply. --George Ho (talk) 20:03, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

@George Ho: Thanks for letting me know. I responded on the talk page. Meatsgains (talk) 01:47, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Another reply; I forgot to ping. --George Ho (talk) 07:50, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

You have a reply in case you forget. --George Ho (talk) 08:13, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Need help[edit]

We need more neutral opinions here. I've followed instructions here and at Wikipedia:Feedback request service and to used the user lists there. I've sent a message for neutral input to everyone active recently and available for 10 per month or more on the lists in the Language and linguistics, Media, the arts, and architecture, Society-sports-culture, Unsorted and All-RFCs lists, none of whom have interacted with me before, that I can remember. Have done my best to act in good faith to try to get more neutral opinions. Please help! Thanx! SergeWoodzing (talk) 14:52, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

If Americans Knew[edit]

Hey: there's some odds things happening at Alison Weir and If Americans Knew. IMO, the articles are fluctuating between being too critical and too promotional. I'm sure a balance can be struck, and I'd welcome your help if you're up for it! Safehaven86 (talk) 15:36, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

You linked Alison Weir the British historian and I'm assuming you meant Alison Weir the activist. I have also noticed some unconstructive activity recently on her page and reverted a few users the past couple months. Let's work together to improve the pages! Meatsgains (talk) 16:47, 30 April 2016 (UTC)
Ah, sorry for linking to the wrong article! Thanks for your help. Safehaven86 (talk) 15:59, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Merger discussion for Vitalik Buterin[edit]


An article that you have been involved in editing—Vitalik Buterin —has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Jtbobwaysf (talk) 16:37, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Re Ritual Tension page[edit]

Hello, I hope this is the proper channel for us to talk about this page. I believe you put the page up for deletion originally, and the discussion is ongoing in AfD. First I would like to genuinely (not asskissingly I swear) express my gratitude because you made me work on improving the article -- and as quickly as I could. Wikipedia is somewhat of a learning curve. I tried to deal with the issues that came up, the article has been worked on and enhanced in many ways, and a few days ago I posted in AfD. I’m wondering what the next step might be. I believe we need to get to a consensus opinion but I’m not sure how. Any insights would be appreciated. Bettina F. Rage (talk) 03:07, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

@Bettina F. Rage: Yes, this is the correct place to discuss. I did put Ritual Tension up for deletion based on the lack of coverage in reliable sources. We can continue to discuss whether or not the page should be deleted but the next step is to wait for an editor to close the AfD discussion and determine whether consensus is to "keep" or "delete" the page. Please see my recent comments in the discussion on my suggestion of what to do in the meantime. Let me know if you have any other questions or need help along the way. Meatsgains (talk) 01:58, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for your response. Okay, then it’s a question of waiting until there is movement to keep or delete… All the critiques are making it a better article, in any case. I do understand the necessity for verification, and I think I may have satisfied that, but I guess we’ll see. I will also seek to advance the cause with another post on the AfD page. Thanks again. Bettina F. Rage (talk) 17:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
@Bettina F. Rage: Thanks to Sam Sailor's contribution the page now contains 8 references, which strengthens the page's verifiability. I have a strong feeling the page will not be deleted due to the numerous improvements this past month but we'll have to wait for the discussion to be closed. Meatsgains (talk) 02:01, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Fingers crossed, yes -- but in any case thank you for your contributions and guidance. Bettina F. Rage (talk) 20:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
@Bettina F. Rage: Not a problem - glad we were able to pull in others to improve the quality of the page. Meatsgains (talk) 00:52, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
@Bettina F. Rage: Looks like the page will keep! Meatsgains (talk) 23:13, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
It does look that way. I'm quite relieved, and I am so very grateful to you. Sometimes people think the regulators are bad guys, but you really helped me make this such a better page. And I'm so much more impressed with the integrity of Wikipedia. Thanks again, man! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bettina F. Rage (talkcontribs) 02:55, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Its all about collaboration and working together to improve Wikipedia as a whole. Meatsgains (talk) 16:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Jay Shurey[edit]

Agree with decision to delete Jay Shurey as unable to provide more details then already have done so. TomJohnson107 (talk) 18:08, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@TomJohnson107: You should post your thoughts on the AfD discussion here. Meatsgains (talk) 01:35, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

About delation of North African Arabs article[edit]

Hello Sir Meatsgains This article are created by some pan-arabists his name is alhaqiqa
This person vandalized many times the berbers article
The North African Arabs article is created to abuse berbers and to distorting facts
In a section of this article "Berberisation and Berberised Arabs" they write Racism in North-Africa !!
There is an article "Arabs" so there is no need to create another article
My greetings AyOuBoXe (talk) 00:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

@AyOuBoXe: Please take this discussion to North African Arabs' AfD. I've removed the claim about "racism". Meatsgains (talk) 17:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

North African Arabs[edit]

Hi Meatsgains! I have seen that you have removed the empty sections in the wikipedia page 'North African Arabs'. Can you please leave them there, because they have to be filled with information first. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alhaqiha (talkcontribs) 17:44, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

@Alhaqiha: You can restore the section headings once you are ready to expand the sections and add information. In the meantime, let's leave them out because they make the page convoluted and more difficult to navigate. Meatsgains (talk) 17:48, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested[edit]

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Hassan Mohi-ud-Din Qadri[edit]

My published page Hassan Mohi-ud-Din Qadri was reviewed earlier by some editors. But on 6th July some User:GorgeCustersSabre ruined it. He added this article to deletion. Verify and revert the article soon. Otherwise the page will be deleted. Please help in maintaining Wikipedia. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohd Sarim Ashrafi (talkcontribs) 16:10, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

GorgeCustersSabre did not "ruin" the page, he took it to WP:AfD because it appears the subject is not yet notable. I suggest you read through WP:TOOSOON to familiarize yourself with the policy for why he nominated the page for deletion. Please take your concerns to the discussion here to explain why the article should keep. Also, it looks like user Fadesga is working to improve the page by adding reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 22:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Anis Jouini[edit]

Dear Meatgains, You have tagged Anis Jouini 2x for deletion and I don't understand why, this is a legitimate musician who tours globally his band tagged in the article Myrath tours globally, please let me know what additional sources I need to credit, please help me to correct the faults I am willing to learn and need your guidance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evadowdinternational (talkcontribs) 04:33, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

The article does not currently have any references. You've included external links, but those are primary. Read through WP:RS to get a better understanding of what constitutes a reliable source and provide those sources to verify the page's content. "Articles should be based on reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." You can start by going through this list and adding relevant news articles to the page. Let me know if you need additional help. Meatsgains (talk) 14:27, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Also, I'm not arguing that he is a legitimate musician, but his notability is questionable. Simply being in a band that tours globally does not make a musician notable. Meatsgains (talk) 14:36, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Please review the update to references, I do believe there are far more less notable musicians with less complete profiles not flagged for deletion , he is very famous in Tunisia and I do appreciate your knowledgeable support while I make the corrections required. talk—Preceding undated comment added 15:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

The references are an improvement but the article still needs some work. Meatsgains (talk) 17:04, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Do feel the page as is requires deletion, I please ask you remove the deletion flag, there is other flags I have seen numerous pages that state need improvements but not deletion , you can see I am trying. talk —Preceding undated comment added 17:10, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
We cannot remove the tag until the AfD discussion is closed. Meatsgains (talk) 17:14, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks to your contribution[edit]

Thanks very much I love your english. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markzy90 (talkcontribs) 18:14, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Excessive gallery - Jun Hong Lu[edit]

Hi. My new uploads hv been undo. May I know what is the problem? I have seen many pages are having galleries and i spent time to collect these pictures. Appreciate for your guidance. Thank you.Lydiana carely (talk) 18:10, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

@Lydiana carely: The images are all too similar and there were far too many of them to include on the page. Meatsgains (talk) 15:46, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
@Meatsgains: If I add only one picture to the section, is that okay? I am in the opinion that the picture add value to the section. I am in the opinion that the picture adds value to the section. If you think it is excessive, how about adding only one picture? Lydiana carely (talk) 16:41, 27 July 2016 (UTC)
I would say yes, except Jun Hong Lu isn't even included in any of the images you attempted to add. Meatsgains (talk) 16:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:B. Alan Wallace[edit]

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