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Axolotl edits[edit]

Hi, thanks for your edit to Axolotl. Please do provide an edit summary for every edit so that other editors can easily see the purpose of your edits.

Thanks. PhilMacD (talk) 22:02, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in Prospect Hill...[edit]

Information icon Hi! I'm Mike Spathaky. I appreciate the additional content that you have added. I felt that some of it was not very well integrated into the article and I have made some changes to improve the flow. A few sentences duplicated existing material, especially in the lead section where only the word igneous added anything new. I have also reverted the order of sections so that Geology comes before History. You gave no reason for switching them and I feel the original order is more logical.

A couple of your references (Boral 2 and Holroyd 2005) are rather cryptic. Perhaps you could expand them so that readers would be able to follow them up if they wished.

You are absolutely right to bring in some material about the aboriginal experience and I have expanded on what you have contributed.

Please feel welcome to discuss these issues on my talk page. Mike Spathaky (talk) 04:50, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Green rain[edit]

First of all, do not revert the colour change. It would likely lead to an edit war and may possibly lead to both editors being blocked over a content dispute (I had this problem before). It seems so that people may favour the green colour over the blue colour but few people edit the climate section so most edits remained unchanged for months or even years and most would blindly accept blue or green colours. I know Subtropical-man has favoured blue colours and supports the removal of green based on previous discussions (see the archives in the talk page of the weather box) and I am pretty sure that the user is using this statement as a reason why he/she wanted the blue colours. Although I think it is unfair to force a user to accept a colour just to impress the user (especially if only few of them support this colour scheme while the others support the other colour scheme), I do not think it is appropriate when your edits are being stalked by another user (this actually happened to me as well), even though it would not constitute vandalism and then being threatened to be blocked over a small issue rather than larger ones. If you think that the other user has done any wrongdoing, I think you should use ANI given that the user has a history of doing this. Ssbbplayer (talk) 05:17, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I don't think I would be able to revert all of the edits, but what about some selected ones? As I said, just around 7-9 (namely the Western Sydney region). Sydney is already green, so why not its suburbs? That's just 7 out of 130. That isn't much. I think I will greenify them only - He surely can't make *that* into a big deal (when they're just around 7 or 8). The world isn't here to please him. Oh, and where is he? I really want him reading this. :/ Meganesia 18:48, 5 December 2013 (UTC)


Hello, this song is in F major ? (talk) 01:10, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

It's in B major. At the end, the song modulates to G major. (talk) 4:38pm, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
You mean B major or Gb major ? (talk) 12:01, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
B major. NOT Gb major or F major. It is in B Major. Towards the end of the song, or the 'climax', it modulates to G major. Why are you asking me this? (talk) 11:11pm, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Because I want to know that it is in F major or Gb major. Do you hear a difference between this two keys ? The first video is in B major, but in the second video, the key is different than the first video. Maybe the second video is not in B major ? (talk) 12:28, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

The second song, Payphone, is in B major. Yes, there is a big difference between the key of B and Gb. Of course the key would be different - not all songs are set in the same key. (talk) 11:04am, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Why you told me that this song is in B major ? Maybe it is in G♭ major ? (talk) 00:14, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Both of them are NOT in Gb major. The Chinese song is in B major. The American song is in B Major too. I know because I use the 'Chordify' app. (talk) 11:22am, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The first version is in G♭ major and the second version is in F major, right ? (talk) 00:31, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Now both of THESE songs are in Gb major. There is no F major at all. Maybe, since F# is a pitch higher than F you might hear the F (music can be complex). But in short, both are in the natural key of Gb major. (talk) 11:44, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The Chordify has some errors. I don't believe that this song is in B major. Are you capable to guess the key with your ears ? (talk) 01:10, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Actually the song has 'errors' - I tried playing it on the piano, the song is offkey by a pitch (perhaps the uploader changed the pitch to get away from Youtube's copyrights). It's probably F# but I'm making an estimated guess. Got another audio of the song? (Meganesia) 1:13, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The uploader has not changed the key. This video is like that too. I think the musician uses F♯ major, but someone turned down the key in digital audio workstation. The song is between F major and F♯ major. (talk) 02:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Or maybe the video was downloaded having a slight pitch change. Yes, the song could probably be between F and Gb major. But the F# chord (provided by Chordify) doesn't sound like a perfect F# chord. (Meganesia) 1:32, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The F♯ major makes me think the color orange, I don't understand why. (talk) 02:42, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

I see, but a song's key doesn't really matter that much - The key alone doesn't tell us the mood of a song or whatnot. I could play that very song in the key of Eb major, D major or any other major key (and even minor key) it will sound the same. The chord progression is what mostly matters in music - that's what gives your music the 'feeling'.
Btw, that song is definitely in Gb major (if it didn't have a pitch dodge), because Ebm is the relative minor (which was commonly used in the song). However, Payphone is MOST definitely in the key of B major (it was written in Bb major though). (Meganesia) 1:48, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Categorization is for defining characteristics[edit]

You have been adding left-handed categories today. I saw you put one in at Harry S. Truman. I took a quick look at the various biographies and none of them says that Truman's left-handedness was important. At WP:Categorization, the instructions say that a category should be a defining characteristic, not a trivial one. Please keep the instructions in mind as you add categories. Thank you. Binksternet (talk) 06:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

You're right. He is not left-handed (some sites can be wrong) - I did a check on his pics and what hand he's using. But fear not, for confirmation, I have checked on most of the people I've added (i.e. pictures of them signing autographs) and they're all seem to be using their left-hand. Thank you for pointing him out. Oh, about characteristics and trivial - well, homosexuality is mostly a trivial part of a person and yet it has its page? Meganesia (talk) 04:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Category:Left-handed people[edit]

Category:Left-handed people, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. The Bushranger One ping only 07:08, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Leonardo yes; Michelangelo no.
There is only one bit of evidence that he was left-handed: one of his students, made the claim that he was "naturally left-handed but did everything with his right hand except things requiring strength." Whatever that means. His drawings, writing and paintings are right-handed.
My comment on what the student wrote is that perhaps he wielded his mallet with the left hand, in order to maintain fine control over the chisel with his right. Most right-handed people would use a mallet or similar instrument with their right hand.
Amandajm (talk) 08:28, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014[edit]

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Recent climate additions[edit]

Hello, thanks for your recent climate additions to Western Australian town articles such as Wyalkatchem. However, in most of these edits, you have been omitting the title of the site from the reference. I've gone through and fixed all your recent additions like this. I've also expanded the climate data at Wandering. Please try to be more careful with reference titles in the future. Graham87 06:15, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Thanks for clearing it all up. I actually realized this but I didn't have time today to go and include the titles (although I was still going to do it). User:Meganesia 05:14, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


Not sure what is inspiring you to do so, but have you any idea how close in distance Cape Leeuwin, and the other 2 locations you have just added are? Most weather coverage for the south west can be understood by something for Busselton and Augusta say, but you additions are concerning to say the least. satusuro 02:28, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Around 50km or so? That is still far. Weather conditions change in a few kilometers. Both have BOM links (they're sourced to their climatic pages at the BOM website). Don't know why this is "concerning" to you? Meganesia 01:36, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Some concern in that western australia is a large state - if 3 so very close locations are considered valid entries = the whole of the Western Australian project is by precedent one vast set of weather inserts, it is an online encyclopedia, not a weather map.

[1] - with karridale in the middle (ie 20 km from each) - less than 40 km - I do not think it is necessary to have the 3, specially as I have spent considerable time in the district in the last xxx years... I woukld be more concerned about wind direction at cape leeuwin than annual weather for the further north locations... satusuro 03:43, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

But, vip, WP:AGF - I am not touching them, but would strongly recomend a very careful check about clustering of weather templates in close localities, in wa - unless there ia very good reason to do so. There are parts of WA where any coverage less than 200km apart is simply wrong. satusuro 03:59, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hi - I have reverted your extensive edits to Template:Human hair footer. Many of the links you removed were not duplicates. Even in the case of "duplicate links," many hairstyles have multiple common names which should be included in such a navigation template, even if they all go to one page. You should have raised this on the talk page for the template so that these edits could be discussed and debated. In fact there is a relevant discussion on Template talk:Human hair footer about this very thing. Although a couple of the removed links are arguably removeable, a lot of the deletions shouldn't have been. Mabalu (talk) 11:37, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

ref needed[edit],_Tasmania&oldid=644252869 - you need to find s WP:RS - i have lived in queenstown in the past and that is crap, unless you have a good ref, adding info like that is not helpful. It might be a statistic, but it would help not to have revert it if you can show the WP:CITE satusuro 14:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I added the reference, it was from BOM. Click on it and scroll down a bit to "mean number of clear days", you'll see that Queenstown gets 29 days of clear days annually. Remember that this counts days with FULL ON CLEAR skies. This measurement doesn't count partly sunny or cloudy breaks days.Meganesia 1:41, 27 January 2015 (UTC)


Hello. Your edits on Guttural are impressive. However, the article lacks the "Bibliography" section. It's not enough to source something as "Ladefoged & Maddieson (1996:323)", you need to create the "Bibliography" section and copy-paste everything (in this case: Ladefoged, Peter; Maddieson, Ian (1996). The Sounds of the World's Languages. Oxford: Blackwell. ISBN 0-631-19814-8. - make sure you are on the edit page first) the Harvcoltxt template is linking to, otherwise the content cannot be considered as sourced. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 20:14, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm not really familiar with this (as I really can't always tell the difference between the ref & biblio sections), but I tried my best anyway. Please check it out. — User:Meganesia
Some of it is ok, but that's not the place for templates like Harvnb or Harvcoltxt. You need to go back to articles you copied the content from, and copy things like (without the colons):
All in all, it must always be the case that when you hover the mouse over the reference (in the article, above references/bibliography sections), you either:
A) are shown the exact book or link
B) you see "Author (YEAR:PAGE(S))". When you click it, you must be redirected to the bottom of the page and shown the details of the book - that's what I'm talking about. See also WP:CS. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 10:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I've just corrected a small portion of it. You need to fix the rest. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 10:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, but that just won't do. You've just removed some of the references, which has also made one sentence incomplete ("and, according to, it"). — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 12:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Postalveolar affricates in Assyrian Neo-Aramaic[edit]

Hello once again. What is the phonemic status of [tʃ, dʒ] in Assyrian? Are they merely regional realizations of /k, ɡ/? — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 11:56, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, you are right. They are, as you said, "merely regional realizations of /k, ɡ/". So is ʋ, which is only prominent in the Urmian dialect (thanks to the Farsi influence), but you somehow reverted the edit(s) I made when I added that consonant on the table. I'll be content if we agree to add it back in 'bracketed' form. [ɣ] is also merged with /x/, albeit in very few words, so I'm not sure if it could be added in the table or not (preferably bracketed too). I thank you for taking your time editing that article.
About my recent change, I realized that Assyrian may use pharyngeal, especially /ʕ/, but in educational speeches or in church mass. Day-to-day Assyrians, no matter what their dialect is, do not. Also /ħ/ is nonexistent, but is heard in Chaldean Neo-Aramaic. Assyrians who use Arabic words may have /ħ/, but this shouldn't be accounted or credited for. — User:Meganesia
Thanks. Ok, so:
- I'll remove ⟨tʃ, dʒ⟩ from the table, as they are already covered by the symbols ⟨k, ɡ⟩. The things is that, strictly speaking, phonemes are not sounds. For example, /k/ is an abstract symbol that can denote any sound possible. It just so happens that most often, it is used to transcribe what phonemically is a voiceless plosive articulated in the velar region.
- If ⟨ʋ⟩ is a regional realization of /w/, then what I wrote above applies to that sound as well.
- I'll add ⟨ɣ⟩ to the table, as it is a marginal phoneme.
- About /ʕ/, what you write clearly describes a marginal phoneme, which is already covered in the article. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 12:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your contribution, but may I please stop you on one little problem - tʃ, dʒ are NOT always phonemes or mergers. Some Assyrian words like "jureh" (urine), "jumee" (collect) and "jareb" (try), for instance have a NATURAL dʒ sound, regardless of the dialect. "Chachma" (toilet), "akhchi" (only) and "saparchi" (traveler) NATURALLY use tʃ, also regardless of the dialect. HOWEVER, the Urmian dialect somehow likes to "J-ize" and "Ch-ize" every word that has the G and K sound to it, respectively.
/ʕ/ should be bracketed on the table, because, as I said, day-to-day Assyrian speakers don't use it. No regional dialect uses it. In church, among priests and in some hymns you'd hear it. That's why, I believe, in a bracketed form it would be appropriate on the table. Might I add, when these Assyrian priests and/or deacons, whom I mention, are with their family or friends (outside their business), they do NOT use /ʕ/.
Urmian is regarded as "Standard Assyrian", thus I still would think that ʋ is necessary in the table. But since the majority of Assyrians aren't Urmian, maybe you can leave it out. Your choice for that one. — User:Meganesia
1. Sorry, but I just don't understand. I suggest that you tell me what you mean after reading this article.
2. It already is bracketed in the table.
3. Well, is [ʋ] a regional realization of /w/? If so, please re-read what I said about phonemes. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 13:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Apologies for not too sounding clear. And thank you for the phoneme link.
Thank you for leaving /ʕ/ bracketed. Please re-add tʃ, dʒ on the table - As I said, Assyrians generally use those consonants regardless of the dialect. And I made this clear (when I gave you the words as examples). I guess I was hasty on my earlier post, when I didn't mention this.
Yes, [ʋ] is a regional realization of /w/ among Urmian speakers. I guess you don't have to include that consonant on the table. However, if I may repeat this, tʃ, dʒ are a MUST. Again, some Assyrian dialects (which I mentioned above) may use them for /g/ and /k/ too, but that does not mean standard Assyrian doesn't use them. I hope you understand me better now. I apologise if I'm a little ignorant on phonetics. — Meganesia
Thanks. So [tʃ, dʒ] are phonemes. I've re-added them. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 14:27, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
One more thing - what about /l, r/? Are they plain, emphatic, or both? — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 17:47, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
They are both commonly uttered consonants, like the L's and R's in English. A few dialects (as mentioned in the article) would make the /r/ sound like an /ɹ/ though, but they're a minority - and it's in SOME speakers of these dialects too. — Meganesia

What I meant is that the "Dental/Alveolar" section of the consonant table is divided into "plain" and "emphatic" consonants. My question is: are /l, r/ plain, emphatic, or both? — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 01:44, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

They are both plain. — Meganesia
Thanks! — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 09:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi again. What does this mean - "[what's the rounding of the second vowel?]" — Meganesia
Hi. Read roundedness. — Peter238 (v̥ɪˑzɪʔ mɑˑɪ̯ tˢʰoˑk̚ pʰɛˑɪ̯d̥ʒ̊) 06:44, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Dawn Fraser[edit]

Details added to this wiki page are biased and contextually inappropriate. Retract or elaborate. The Simple Truith (talk) 09:34, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

Broad Australian /iː/[edit]

Hello. I find it quite shocking that you'd write something like this. It's just that I've never seen that comparison in the relevant literature. We've all heard (especially from Americans/Canadians) that Australian /aɪ/ (phonetically [ɑe ~ ɒe]) tends to sound like North American /ɔɪ/ (phonetically [ɔɪ ~ oɪ]), which is a quite accurate description (but it's clear that these are distinct sounds in Australia). But /iː/ (well, [əːi ~ ɐːi] in Broad Australian) and /ɔɪ/? Nobody pronounces the first element of /iː/ with rounded lips and/or as a true back vowel, except maybe non-native speakers with very weird accents. There a few accents with a central first element for <oy> (e.g. very old-fashioned RP had [ɐɪ]), but none of them are spoken in Australia or NZ.

Long story short, it'd be nice if you could back up that statement with a reliable source. Peter238 (talk) 12:44, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Sunshine hours[edit]

I was just wondering how you got the "Mean monthly sunshine hours" for Sydney and Melbourne. Currently Sydney has the following:

Month                          Jan      Feb      Mar      Apr      May      Jun      Jul      Aug      Sep      Oct      Nov      Dec      Year
Mean monthly sunshine hours    235.6    208.8    213.9    207.0    189.1    180.0    204.6    244.9    237.0    241.8    228.0    223.2    2613.9
Mean daily sunshine hours      7.6      7.1      6.9      6.9      6.3      5.9      6.6      7.9      7.9      7.9      7.6      7.9      7.2

I may be missing something important but to get the monthly totals it should be the daily hours multiplied by the number of days in the month. So August, October and December should have the same monthly hours and September should be less than December because it has only 30 days. I think it should look like this:

Multipler                      31       28.25    31       30       31       30       31       31       30       31       30       31       365.25
Month                          Jan      Feb      Mar      Apr      May      Jun      Jul      Aug      Sep      Oct      Nov      Dec      Year
Mean monthly sunshine hours    235.6    202.4    213.9    207.0    195.3    177.0    204.6    244.9    237.0    244.9    228.0    244.9    2629.8
Mean daily sunshine hours      7.6      7.1      6.9      6.9      6.3      5.9      6.6      7.9      7.9      7.9      7.6      7.9      7.2

Melbourne shows the following

Month                          Jan      Feb      Mar      Apr      May      Jun      Jul      Aug      Sep      Oct      Nov      Dec      Year
Mean monthly sunshine hours    290.3    275.8    219.3    186.6    125.8    116.6    119.3    151.6    186.6    203.2    233.3    241.9    2350.3

but I think it should be

Multipler                      31       28.25    31       30       31       30       31       31       30       31       30       31       365.25
Month                          Jan      Feb      Mar      Apr      May      Jun      Jul      Aug      Sep      Oct      Nov      Dec      Year
Mean monthly sunshine hours    279.0    228.8    210.8    168.0    120.9    108.0    114.7    145.7    171.0    195.3    210.0    232.5    2191.5
Mean daily sunshine hours      9.0      8.1      6.8      5.6      3.9      3.6      3.7      4.7      5.7      6.3      7.0      7.5      6.0

Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 17:37, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

The mean daily sunshine hours is the default way that BOM measures the sunshine hours. This is Sydney Airport's climate box from BOM: - Scroll down to "sunshine hours" and you'll see that they have the two-digit mean monthly hours recorded.
Here is Melbourne's BOM page:
If you calculate and "convert" these daily figures into monthly hours they'd rightfully be around 2350.
User:Meganesia 11:47, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Those are the two sources I was looking at. Sydney Airport doesn't have the mean monthly just the mean daily. The Melbourne source has an annual figure of 6.0 and that gives a yearly total of 2191.5 but if it was 2350.3 then the daily would be 6.4. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 08:30, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
I stand corrected. I thought you'd divided these mean daily figures by 30 or 31 (whatever the month's length is), where they add up and tell you the year's total. I will go and correct them. But now I understand that you should multiply instead. Thanks for the correction and also thank you for providing Sydney's sunshine data (so I can fix it). I will also go and revert Melbourne's data. It was a misunderstanding on my part. User:Meganesia 08:13, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I thought that I was making an error or that there was another source with the monthly data. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 11:27, 31 October 2015 (UTC)
Third opinion from another user. The correct way is obtain monthly values if the source provides daily mean values only is to multiply the mean daily figures by 30 or 31 (except February which should be 28.25). It is accurate when you multiply the daily values to obtain the monthly values but not the other way around. If the numbers don't add up, it can be easily checked. I support using monthly values as it allows better comparison of the climate with other cities as not all National Meteorological Services provide mean daily values. Ssbbplayer (talk) 04:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Sunshine hours, Sydney[edit]

For the Sydney weatherbox, I partly reverted your edit on the Template: Sydney weatherbox since the data should all come from the same station in an ideal situation. Since both Observatory Hill and the airport have sunshine data available, we should use the sunshine figures from it, despite being quite outdated. It's more accurate for its location since using the airport's values is misleading as it is located at a different location, which has a different climate compared to Observatory Hill. The only time where sunshine hours from a different station location should be used is when none of the other stations provide any sunshine data. You should add back the data from the airport in Climate of Sydney. Ssbbplayer (talk) 04:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I respectfully reverted your edits. I have put the reason on the edit summary on the template page. Another reason, a major one, is that Sydney's sunshine hours recorded at Observatory Hill have long been halted - They started from 1955 and ended on 1992 (please check the BOM page). The recording site wasn't a really reliable one. One reason for this was building and tree obstruction, which insidiously lowered the sunshine hours count. Though they are still recording temps, rain and humidity on Observatory Hill. So it's reasonable for these figures to stay, but the disused sunshine hour figures seem rather redundant and "unfaithful". Btw, Sydney Airport lies at an open area with not many trees and buildings, thus the sun can fairly shine on the device. The Airport is also on the coast and not that far from the CBD. Thank you for your opinion up there, by the way. User:Meganesia 12:13, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

"Supernatural thriller"[edit]

You made this edit to the supernatural thriller subgenre of thriller films: * Supernatural thriller: This subgenre combines the frightening elements of horror with the tautness and tension of the thriller genre. Supernatural thrillers would have otherworldly elements (such as ghosts and the occult) set in a tense, menacing atmosphere.

You basically described the supernatural horror subgenre of horror films word for word, and this is not the case. Supernatural thriller is also not a hybrid genre of horror and thriller, so this is entirely not fitting. They may overlap, but there is a difference.

See: --FollowTheSigns (talk) 15:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I described the supernatural genre basing it from (see here: The Script Lab isn't a very reliable source. - User:Meganesia
Allmovie also provides a very basic, non-descriptive definition of supernatural horror that doesn't make any distinction between supernatural horror and thriller, and since they're clearly different subgenres of distinct major genres this shouldn't be included since it's fairly inaccurate, and the previous wording was perfectly fine. A website may be considered generally reliable but not everything it says is true. --FollowTheSigns (talk) 15:20, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

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Sample of Assyrian speech[edit]

Hello! As I understand, you're the author of this recording. If so, could you please tell me what is being said there? I find the sound of the language quite appealing to me :-) Fume-la (talk) 06:27, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for enjoying this beautiful language. I appreciate it. I'm not the most perfect speaker of this language, especially the educated or the formal speech (that this woman is speaking in). The opening goes out like this: "Peace to every individual of Assyria, the sons and daughters of our Christian church and every other Assyrian Christian". Please give me the time frame of the audio clip and I'll try translating the specific parts. :)
May I ask, what's your background and what made this Afro-Asiatic language so intriguing to you? :) User:Meganesia, 25 January 2016
I'm a translator. I take an interest in linguistics too, because it was part of my degree (nothing fancy, just the basic stuff). Perhaps it has something to do with that interest, or perhaps not, but some languages have just the right flow for me. Like Welsh, or Greek, or Classical Arabic, or Tibetan. With Assyrian, this makes five. The nature of that flow is unexplicable, and I absolutely couldn't say what makes a language have it, but once I hear a speech sample, I'm in love. Eh, I suppose it is some sort of a professional deformation. Fume-la (talk) 15:10, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


Hello. I'm sorry if I sometimes sounded rude or patronising to you. Peter238 (talk) 00:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

East York climate[edit]

I'm not sure if East York is either part of the oceanic or continental climate. If you know, please correct it. 2607:FEA8:A29F:FDEE:D31:9F22:25F7:FF1A (talk) 12:11, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Winters are too cool for oceanic. It's definitely a warm-summer continental climate, maybe with slight Cfb characteristics. I will correct it. User:Meganesia 22:16, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Southern Ontario climates[edit]

One more thing, some people claim Amherstburg, Toronto and Tecumseh, Ontario has a humid subtropical when the winters may be too cold for that. In general, Canada does not have subtropical climates. 2607:FEA8:A29F:FDEE:2925:BECC:8DF7:771 (talk) 19:45, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

That is correct. They are far too cold to be "subtropical". These people have no idea. - Meganesia
Koppen maps are inaccurate vs. the actual book definition and the sources that prove it. Your 0C claim is unsourced and therefore nothing more than a personal opinion, which is fine to have, but it is irrelevant for an encyclopedia.
Regarding the Cfa classification, would it help if it did not have "subtropical" in the name? I would agree that it is a bad term that Koppen came up with, but it is not up to us to change the terms used. Obviously, no one in their right mind would imagine Southern Ontario or even New York City as a subtropical place (like Florida or Alabama), but that is just a name that is used. It is not meant to imply palm tress, white sand beaches, etc. Until it is changed in some official capacity, we are stuck with that term for the Cfa climate.
As for the isotherm, I have provided multiple reliable, academic sources, published within the last few years, that all use -3C. I could not find any decent sources for the claim that 0C is now the new and official isotherm to use for Cfa climates. If that does not make sense, I am not sure how to explain it to you further. At best, if you provided several RS that support the 0C claim, we could list both versions, as they would both be sourced. Removing one (-3C) entirely, is 100% vandalism and POV. --Therexbanner (talk) 06:18, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Regarding your latest edits on Köppen climate classification[edit]

I see you have reverted my addition to the article without any argument. You need to present an argument or discuss in talk before reverting edits by other users, this is just how Wikipedia goes. I gave Mount Ararat example as a comparison to other climates presented in the article from Eastern Anatolia, therefore it is consistent with the rest of the article. Berkserker (talk) 11:32, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I should've specified a reason (I normally do this). I thought it was redundant to have Mount Ararat listed because it doesn't have a climate station (or at least its table isn't on Wikipedia). Not to mention, most mountain tops will be tundra or ice cap climate anyway - Doesn't mean they should all be listed. Furthermore, I didn't "revert" your edit per se, I actually removed the Ararat example NOT knowing that someone just added it (so don't take this personally). - Meganesia
Not a problem, in fact I had kind of guessed it was removed not knowingly. It is true Mount Ararat doesn't have a climate station, I think it should, since it would be cool to see some data. However there are extensive studies on the shrinkage of the glacial extent, starting from 1957, as low as 3900 meters. I thought Mount Ararat would be a beneficial addition to the article since first it is one of the most famous mountains in the world, second in the article there is an extensive comparison of several continental climate types from the region, as Eastern Anatolia is an ideal place to study continental, subarctic, tundra and ice cap climates, a region with one of the highest diversity of such climates in the world. Berkserker (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
The Anatolian climates that were included in the article are small towns with inhabitants and they have a climate station, but I understand your point and reason. Yes, Eastern Turkey has very interesting climate zones. For Middle Eastern standards, it's very cold, continental. My favourite is the Dsa (dry summer continental) zone, perhaps the only region in the world featuring this unique climate. Incidentally, I do have ancestry that lies in the Dsa zone of Eastern Anatolia. - Meganesia
In fact it is very cold beyond Middle Eastern standards. Few places in Eurasia can rival the climate of Eastern Anatolia. Since you are interested in climatology, I would recommend you to view the Blue Marble project of monthly permanent snow line maps. It features a cool animation of the globe, where you can compare regions. You can pause and play each month to view the receding snow line. Berkserker (talk) 15:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

BWh, BWk, BSh, BSk[edit]

It seems there is an inconsistency with what scheme to follow to differentiate these types. It came to my attention when you had removed El Paso that some user had added, stating winters were too warm to be classified as "k". For US cities the coldest month average is taken into consideration and for rest of the world locations the annual mean is taken into consideration. This creates inconsistency in the article as well as individual location pages. I wanted to discuss what we should do to overcome this ambiguity. Do you have any ideas? It seems the winter temps the new trend, compared to the traditional classification. Berkserker (talk) 17:49, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Good point. I really want to know the cutoff between the H and K cities (hot and cold arid or semi-arid climates). For instance, Mildura in Vic is a BSk and has hot summers, but its winters aren't that cold to warrant a K. Baghdad has similar winters, but it's not a "K". I'm guessing K's must be extremely hot in the summer, to compensate the cool winters (Mildura isn't that hot in the summer). You can choose to fix them under your terms. I really don't have an absolute idea on this and I'm making guesses. - Meganesia
According to the original description, the yearly mean is taken into consideration (18 C isotherm), while lately in the US, coldest month means (0 C isotherm) have been used as the identifier. This creates a paradox especially in continuous regions, such as the one starting from the Southwestern US, expanding into Mexico, where regions in Mexico are described according to the yearly mean, while regions in the US are categorised according to the Jan mean. This produces an absurd map, where the northern (US) territories are classified as hot (h), while southern (Mexico) territories are classified as cold (k), the opposite of what you would expect. The map becomes k, h, k, h starting from the northern end of the arid territory to the southern end. Berkserker (talk) 09:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Climate of the Black Sea coast[edit]

I think it was a very constructive argument to include the microclimate discussion on the Rize article, since officially the Black Sea coast of Turkey is categorised as oceanic, having only little pockets of warm subtropical microclimatic zones along the shore. Steep mountain ranges start from the immediate waterfront, therefore a few hundred yards inland you are in the oceanic zone. Therefore most districts of Rize are oceanic, the waterfront being subtropical having an average hottest mean between 22.4 and 23.0 C depending on different sources by several waterfront stations. For instance MGM station is at 8 meters (23C), another station [2] at only 28 meters (22.4C), the change is immediate. Berkserker (talk) 05:48, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

It's just that Rize's weather station, or at least the climate box, shows that the summers are above the subtropical isotherm. So it would make sense to call it humid subtropical by default. Two warmest months having a mean of 22C is still safely humid subtropical, akin to Sydney. But since there are microclimates as you said (due to elevation), I did include "oceanic" in the article. - Meganesia
The first version of the section had stated a borderline humid subtropical/oceanic climate for Rize, then you decided it was safe to say oceanic :) This is why I had to change the climate to subtropical due to the microclimate the weather station is in, plus added the city to the Köppen article as a subtropical example. Now you changed your mind it isn't oceanic and deleted the discussion. Let me summarise this way, only the harbour and the immediate waterfront has this microclimate, most neighbourhoods, starting from a few blocks from shore, have an oceanic climate. About 99% of the Rize region (also true for the entire Black Sea coast) has an oceanic climate, this is why humid subtropical doesn't even show up on maps, [3] since the extremely narrow microclimate is invisible at a country scale. This is why I gave the 20 m. elevation difference as an example, since a change of 0.5 C is exceptionally high for such a minute elevation change. Berkserker (talk) 09:25, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I remember doing that. It was a hasty edit on my part. Until I saw the mean temperature in the warmest months. And since it's 22C for two months then it's safely Cfa. Unless there's a climate station there that shows a reading under 22C then you can add the figures and say it's a borderline Cfb climate. Btw, that map (you linked) is modified by a user, and he got it wrong. Because on this map [4] (which is be NASA), Rize and the surrounds is on the Cfa zone. - Meganesia
Most maps for Turkey are wrong. They usually do not take elevation into consideration but just the biggest city weather stations in each province, which are almost always on the coast. Like I said until the Dfb zone that starts around 800+ meters, only about a minute percentage of the landscape is subtropical. Berkserker (talk) 11:09, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
On those maps even the subarctic zones of Rize (and the rest of the Black Sea region) are marked as subtropical. Simply the elevation is flattened out to sea level. Berkserker (talk) 11:12, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
It's true that the maps get it wrong when it comes to Turkey. Because sometimes I see the Istanbul region in the Cfa zone (olive) and at others it's Csa (yellow). Now in that NASA map (linked above) it's a Csa climate, but here ([5]), it's a Cfa climate. Look, you are right and I believe the fact that elevation plays a role. But we have to abide to the weather station and what its climatic figures express. In this case, Rize's weather station shows us that it's a Cfa climate (or at least the place in the vicinity of the station). Does it get more "oceanic" or cooler as one goes up the hill, as you say? Sure. But those highly elevated domains don't have a weather station. As such, we can safely describe Rize as humid subtropical, having microclimates that are in the Cfb zone and whatnot - And this is plainly described in its Wiki page. :) - Meganesia
What I was referring to wasn't really about the very high altitudes. These regions don't even have an oceanic climate. They have humid continental and subarctic climates. What I was referring to was the city itself, with neighbourhoods having oceanic climate and some others having a subtropical climate. These subtropical pockets are very limited throughout the Black Sea coast, this is why they are microclimatic. The majority of the region is oceanic, followed by humid continental and boreal climates. Berkserker (talk) 16:02, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Btw I never doubted you didn't agree on the elevation effect, since it is one of the most basic aspects of climatology. I was talking about exceptional characteristics of the region. Berkserker (talk) 16:20, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Meanwhile we need to agree on something. We, as all editors of this article, need to decide what is borderline and not suitable to represent the climate. It was brought to my attention when you said DC had strong continental influences. If we agree that DC is not suitable, then we need to take out almost half of the examples out of the article. In DC's case, it is well above the isotherm (mean at 2.2 C), this makes many other examples such as Orlando or Zurich unsuitable. However I believe unless they are really on the isotherm (such as New York, which has a 0.33C mean), we should include examples from both ends of the scale, as well as mid level examples. This way our transparency may benefit climatology in the future when more people realise the deficiencies of these classification systems when they are laid out openly. Berkserker (talk) 16:10, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I understand you now. Anyway, about Washington, you're forgetting its cold winters. Orlando has relatively warm winters and long hot winters. Whilst DC is a Cfa climate (on its periphery), I wouldn't list it as a example on that page, and I certainly wouldn't want others to do so. But that's a recommendation. You can add it back if you like. Please don't add countless of other American Cfa cities. I just edited out 5 extra American cities that were unnecessarily added. - Meganesia
Well Orlando and DC have the same +-2.2 degrees C deviation from their respective isotherms. If we were to agree +-2.2 C is borderline, then we need to remove about half of the examples throughout the article, not just speaking about Cfa. This is why I gave the Zurich example, which is only 0.3 degrees above threshold. Then NYC should also be added for instance (0.33 degrees above threshold). Berkserker (talk) 03:24, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
By that logic, you could say that Pittsburgh and Adelaide have the same climate because their summer means are similar. :) You're forgetting about how cold Washington is in the winter in contrast to Orlando's winters. They're hardly similar on a yearly basis. NYC has a hot-summer (humid) continental climate in the likes of Chicago - Their threshold is also 22C (Dfa). Any zone having a hot summer would have an "A" at the end (Csa, Cfa, Dfa, etc). NYC is transitional though, because its winters do encounter means below 0C (akin to Dfa's). That's why I rightfully mentioned under the Dfa list, that NYC sits on the boundary of the Cfa and Dfa zones. - Meganesia
I think you misunderstood my point. I didn't say Orlando has cold winters, in fact the opposite. Orlando is as close to the tropical zone as DC is close to the continental zone. Therefore if we contend that DC doesn't represent the climate, then Orlando doesn't either (opposite ends of the scale). As for NYC, it lies just above the isotherm, therefore not the best example, I agree. This is exactly what I was trying to tell you. Cities like NYC or Zurich can be taken out, however cities like DC are well inside the zones winter temperature-wise, and do represent the northern range of the climate well as Orlando does for the southern range (0 - 2.2 - 15.7 - 18 C). Unfortunately now the current classification system puts NYC and Orlando/Tampa in the same category, I also hope we see a change in the near future. Berkserker (talk) 04:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I agree and I understand your point. Like I said, we can add DC on the list. Btw, I'd personally say that "tropical-like" climates like Brisbane, Tampa, Orlando, Hong Kong, Hanoi, etc, are the "true" subtropical climates as they're still lukewarm in the winter. Their temperatures deviate slightly in the winter (unlike the tropics), whilst maintaining long hot humid summers. So they are tropical, but "subs", in this instant. Cooler subtropical places like Sydney, Atlanta, Charleston, Rize, Shanghai, etc, can simply be called warm temperate climates. But that's just me and my categorization of things. - Meganesia

─────────────────────────I agree a 100%, in fact this is exactly what I have been thinking about for years. The humid subtropical climate doesn't represent the true subtropics, rather a combination of the subtropics and temperate. Just last week we had the same discussion with another user. I am copy pasting my exact words :) "Yes, the split of the current humid "subtropical" climate into two - temperate and subtropical; where the true definition of subtropical (climate of the subtropics) to be used for the warmer version makes a lot more sense. I had thought about the same isotherm 10 C as a possible identifier, however it needs further climatological research. Perhaps in the future we will have a new scheme. In a couple of decades the humid subtropical zone will expand into a significant portion of France, starting from the Southwest (has already taken over some of SW France), therefore will start contradicting the initial split between oceanic and subtropical climates, since Köppen used the climate of Western Europe to describe the oceanic climate. Only then, I guess, climatologists will wake up to make the necessary revisions. What I am trying to say is, the revision needs to be made both to Cfa and Cfb, possibly Cfa inching its way into Cfb while being divided into two to create room for the climate of the subtropics." Berkserker (talk) 04:41, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

List of oldest cities[edit]

We really need a better source in the lead than a tourist website,don't you think? Doug Weller talk 12:43, 20 September 2016 (UTC)

I did not add this source in the article (if you're implying this?). I merely moved it within a subcategory I made that shortly summarized the cities that are claimed to be the "oldest". I did, however, add "(and sources)" next to "caveats" on the article's lead, as I thought it would refer to some of the sourced notes in the wikitables in the article's body (and not necessarily the sole tourist blog source). Meganesia 12:38, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
No, no, I never thought you added it, I was only asking you about it. Doug Weller talk 20:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah, I see. You're right, though - The article is in dire need of better sources. The lead should also be expanded. Meganesia 11:03, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for the heads-up, Diana. I did not know this. The thing is, was that the Medieval dance article had immense background info on circle dancing and its history. And so I thought that the content there was more suited to be in the circle dance article, the 'history' section. (Meganesia) 14:00, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
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Thank for the reminder again. I've been making so many edits recently and this has escaped my mind. I have the ability to do this, but I simply forgot for the recent edits. Can I go and make the attributions for these edits now on their edit summary, even though I've already added the content? I'm happy to do so. (Meganesia) 11:56, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

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Map of Sydney[edit]

Hello, dear Meganesia, wanted to ask, what is the problem with my Sydney map, that I have added to Sydney city article? Att. Ilya Shrayber. Ilya Shrayber (talk) 11:56, 10 December 2016 (UTC)

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Images in Sydney[edit]

Can you please try to restrict the number of images being added to Sydney. The article was fine with 39, but it's now up to 47, which is far too many. Articles are not supposed to be image farms. Please also remember that left-aligned images immediately after headings break text flow, distract the reader and should be avoided. --AussieLegend () 14:47, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

I didn't realize that there was an image restriction. But thanks for the heads up. - Meganesia 12:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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is this where the Geography of Sydney book refs lost their details ? Dave Rave (talk) 05:38, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
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Thanks for making me aware of my mistakes. I have been trying my best to refer to other articles when I'm copying their content. It's just that I have been editing the article really hastily. So I would have not being subconscious about my actions.
I'm not sure how the missing books vanished form that article. If it was done by myself (which I doubt), it was not of my intention, and it could've been an unfortunate accident. I try my best to accomplish well-sourced and informative articles. Thanks for reviving them, anyway. — Meganesia 11:44, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

My apologies[edit]

I didn't mean to revert your substantial written content and I welcome your interest in the Sydney page. I think some of the images that were previously used were better suited. I've just restored them and you can check it out. No major changes, just one or two here and there. I think your addition of the George St image in 1900 was a very worthy touch, so I'm not sure why AussieLegend is against its inclusion. I've re-added it to "Modern development". I think the image of the The Strand Arcade (which I mistakenly referred to as QVB in a edit summary) doesn't really correspond with "inner suburbs" too well, as it's more an architectural/tourist/cultural image. I'll leave it for now. Again, your interest is much appreciated and very welcome! But visual coherence is something I really champion on Wikipedia, because for a lot of people who read articles, imagery guides us through the text. Ashton 29 (talk) 01:28, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

It's all good. It's just that I spent hours revamping the page and to see it all reverted really stunned me. Haha I got so stressed out because of this, since Wikipedians can be really unforgiving when it comes to their edits. Nice to see someone who is humble and diplomatic when it comes to their edits. Thanks for your contribution. I also do like the circa 1900 George Street image - I added it myself after all. We just have to see if AussieLegend approves of this. :) ~ Meganesia
Ashton 29, as I've indicated above, articles are not supposed to be image farms and left-aligned images after headings break text flow and distract readers. Text should not be sandwiched between two images. There are only so many images that you can add to an article and the section in question doesn't have enough prose to add a third image without breaking text flow or sandwiching prose. I have nothing against the image that was removed, it was removed only because it was the last one added. --AussieLegend () 10:13, 18 March 2017 (UTC)


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Fair enough. I just thought they added relevance to the Oceanian portal. I shall immediately remove them. - Meganesia, 26 July 2017

City of Sydney Flag[edit]

Hi, Can you please provide sources which state that this flag represents all of Sydney? The current source [6] calls it the "City of Sydney's flag". Thanks, Nick-D (talk) 09:14, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

You're right that the source calls its the City of Sydney flag. But I'm very certain that the flag applies to Sydney as a city in general (including its metropolitan area). The source doesn't exactly emphasize on it being the flag of the city of Sydney. It could've been just arbitrarily (or naturally) written that way since the website is about the City of Sydney and so all content in it must relate to, well, the City of Sydney. Furthermore, if you type "flag of Sydney" on Google images, you'll come up with the city of Sydney flag. - Meganesia

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I did not add incorrect information. I merely added wikipedia links to each terms, which were previously unlinked (sexual love and sexual intimacy). Please check the recent edit and tell me if you're satisfied with it. Meganesia 14:28, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Garrett says "sexual love". You are not Garrett, you do not speak for Garrett and you're not allowed to second guess Garrett. As simple as that. Besides your edit suggests an intention to conceal the fact that the Song of Song is an utterly sexual book (Ancient erotica). If this is true, it is not done according to WP:CENSOR and WP:RNPOV. Tgeorgescu (talk) 22:02, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

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Do you need help keeping track of snow pics in Sydney?[edit]

I want to help you check out my twitter for more! --2606:A000:4AC8:1100:9C9E:757D:1F17:471D (talk) 19:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Some baklava for you![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG Do you need help keeping track of snow pics in Sydney or do you need help shoveling snow outta the way? I Have Always Been a Twin (talk) 19:05, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

A glass of sweet tea for you![edit]

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg Hello! Assyriansample.ogg sounds so beautiful. Would it be possible to provide the context and/or a brief summary of the content? I could only pick up just enough (root q-d-s means "holy" in my native language) to know it's about religious stuff. I think I could hear references to the 'Catholic patriarch' too. Patinoire (talk) 21:55, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for enjoying our nice language. She speaks in a very formal manner and uses advanced vocab. She is just praising the Assyrian Church of the East for what it did to the Assyrians (it's called "Catholic" although it isn't a Catholic church - see Syriac Christianity). She's also talking about the history of the church and when it was formed (1st century). - Meganesia
Thanks to you for your explanation. I was looking for a book called 'enbe men karmo suryoyo - hope I got that right. It's available for sale online but it's too expensive, and this isn't my field anyways. I was intrigued because it sounds so much like "3eneb mill-karm" which is how we would say the same thing. Patinoire (talk) 02:13, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
No problem. Just to clarify, the name of that book is in Turoyo (or Suroyo), a Western Assyrian variant. It is mutually unintelligible with Assyrian Neo-Aramaic (what this woman in subject is speaking in). :) - Meganesia

Sydney Radio Template[edit]

Hi Meganesia,

I noticed you removed Move FM 99.5 broadcasting from the Blue Mountains from the Sydney radio stations template. However, at the same time you left BLU FM (89.1), The Edge (96.1) and 2LT (101.1). Given these are all licensed for Katoomba like Move FM (99.5), I think it would make sense to treat all Katoomba-licensed stations in the same manner (i.e. to either all be listed or all not be listed). SydRadio (talk) 11:12, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

This was done randomly and on a whim. I just wanted the list to be more more brief and concise. Nothing personal. Meganesia 17:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

Northeastern Syria in relation to the Assyrian homeland[edit]

Hi, I've seen that you made a few edits where you've written that Northwestern Syria is only recently considered to be part of the Assyrian homeland. While much of the Syriac-Assyrian population that resides there today descends from post-Seyfo immigrants from Turkey and Iraq, there are many Assyrian/Syriac/Aramaic archeological sites in Northern Syria (such as Tell Leilan, Til Barsip) and there has also been Syriac-Assyrian populations present in many places to the South and West of Tur Abdin, such as Edessa. The region of Mesopotamia/Beth Nahrin also stretches all the way down to Raqqa and Deir Ezzor, so it's not incorrect to say that Assyrians consider much of Northern Syria to be part of their historical homeland, as well as their modern homeland. AntonSamuel (talk) 14:35, 26 February 2018 (UTC)

The thing is, northwest Syria did not have a perennial Assyrian settlement. Now yes, obviously you would find Assyrian archaeological sites in all of the Middle East. But this doesn't mean these locations are indigenous to Assyrians. Edessa is just a small speck of land that had Assyrians who lived there on and off. The truth of the matter is that 99% of modern Assyrians FROM SYRIA, are merely settlers from southeastern Turkey. So it is dishonest and fallacious to say that northwest Syria is "an ancient Assyrian homeland", when no modern Assyrian would trace their roots there. By that logic, we can even say Jordan, Palestine, Israel, Kuwait and Egypt are also "ancient Assyrian homelands" because the Assyrian empire engulfed those regions, no? A few ancient Assyrians inhabited these locations and made their mark there. But they probably became localized or assimilated due to influx of other cultures (Arabs for starters). Meganesia 17:53, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Adding unsourced genres and categories[edit]

Hi. Please make sure the genres and categories you add are backed up by sourced claims in the prose. Anywhere (Rita Ora song) is not sourced as being a ballad in the prose, so should not be added to the category of ballads until it is. Wake Up Call (Maroon 5 song) is not sourced as being any genre, let alone funk rock. We should not add genres to an article to suit our idea of what it is, unless a published reliable source also calls it that. Thanks. Ss112 05:22, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

I guess I should've sourced the Maroon 5 song, although it did sound like it had funk attributes. By the way, the Rita Ora song is a ballad. It is described as a "love song", and that term is pretty much synonymous with ballad. It can easily fit under 'electropop ballad'. - Meganesia
Yes, but there are also upbeat rock songs that can be considered "love songs". Not every love song is a ballad, even though, sure—plenty of love songs are ballads. The wording still need to be sourced. It doesn't matter what we think a song is or sounds like, it matters what reliable sources say. Ss112 06:08, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Except, we call upbeat, rock love songs "rock ballads" though - We always did. I do disagree here, because every love song is a ballad, just like every chicken is a bird (if you want analogies). Even breakup and/or torch songs are called ballads. The term "ballad" is encompassing, broad and it isn't restricted to slow, Elton John-esque type of music. There are rock ballads, blues ballads, country ballads and synthpop/electropop ballads with upbeat music. Yes, it's not really about "we". It's about common sense. Reliable sources don't need to go "this is a ballad", because it is obvious that it is thanks to its pensive and sentimental lyrics, anyway. And being mentioned as a "love song" already took care of the ballad part. But that's where we disagree, because I believe "love song" is 100% synonymous with ballad. If it isn't, then I don't know what is. - Meganesia
The page you linked to, love song, evidently disagrees with you, because nowhere does it state every love song is a ballad, and it is tagged with Template:Singing. Look at that template: Ballad is separate from love song. If they were entirely synonymous to everybody, there'd be no need to have them as separate links. You're essentially saying every song about love is a ballad, which is entirely untrue. The topic of love is in every genre of music and constitutes a huge portion of the amount of songs ever made, and not all of those are ballads. Do you find that every song about love is categorised on Wikipedia as a ballad? I think all the categories with ballad in them would be far more extensive if that were considered the case. The category for love songs was deleted in 2006, at Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 July 11#Category:Love songs, with some questioning what the definition of a love song is. One user wrote: "May as well be "List of almost every song in existence"." Even though they were exaggerating, I certainly don't think every (or even nearly every) song in existence is a ballad. The article for ballad also states: "the term took on the meaning of a slow form of popular love song and is now often used for any love song, particularly the sentimental ballad of pop or rock." "Often used" doesn't mean "always is", and it's modified by "particularly the sentimental ballad". Every ballad may now be considered a love song, but not every love song is a ballad. That's how I see it. Regardless, "Anywhere" is not called a ballad but a love song—a song about love. You can argue all these points in another extensive reply if you like, but the categories on an article need to be sourced by the prose—as in, pretty much the exact wording needs to be supported by the prose or you will have users disagreeing with you. If you disagree, discuss it at Talk:Anywhere (Rita Ora song) (WP:BRD, WP:CONSENSUS) because user talk pages are not the place to debate material to be put into/put back into an article, and I don't really see an agreement in sight here. Also, just a note: you should probably steer clear of adding unsourced genres altogether, because if you continue doing that, you will definitely find yourself the target of editors who keep an eye on those they consider genre warriors. Thanks. Ss112 09:21, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

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what makes you think sydney has a humid subtropical climate?[edit]

Sydney has a temperate climate. The subtropical climate only extends as far down as the mouth of the hawkesbury river. get it right. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eve pendlebury (talkcontribs) 05:36, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

It does. It's a fact. Summer mean is over 22C for two months. Temperate oceanic is London and Paris with means barely reaching 21C. It's rather ridiculous to group Sydney with such climates, and you know it. You need to convince half of the world about Sydney being "temperate", and not just me. Why are you commenting this on my page? It's not like I "made" Sydney have a Cfa climate. Look up Koppen climate maps and then come back to. Sydney is humid subtropical (Cfa), and a great example of one. - Meganesia
@Eve pendlebury: If you had checked, you would have seen that there is a cited source in the article that includes the statement "Brisbane and Sydney each have a humid sub-tropical or temperate climate with no pronounced dry season". --AussieLegend () 15:03, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Eve pendlebury[edit]

Based on this I suspect you hit a nerve. --AussieLegend () 09:06, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

I noticed this acount on my watchlist; I've just blocked them as a sockpuppet, because they're clearly up to no good. What was the name of the original account, out of curiosity? I've also removed some left-over text from this section ... hope you don't mind. Graham87 15:19, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

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Assyrian people[edit]

Assyrian vs. Syrian naming controversy First of all the medievals and other people when calling the assyrians syriacs, didnt mean aramean. Sure, the assyrians were both called by and outside the ethnic group aramean and assyrian, maybe you should state that the syriac word mean assyrian? We now know the word syrian means assyrian, cineköy stone, were ashur meant sur, in the cineköy stone, with two different languages with the same meaning. By the way, the source he gives you said the exact same thing, that assur meant sur, assyrians meant syrians. Check the source he gave you from aina. Please change aramean to assyrian.

It isnt linguistically, historically true that we are "arameans", we are assyrians, we come from northern mesopotamia (assyria) and we speak east aramaic, the official language of the assyrian empire! While the melkites, the real arameans, speak western aramaic, the closets language to what jesus spoke and the closets language to the aramean language. West aramaic was developed in syria, the heartland of aram, while the east aramaic was developed in mesopotamia. We must also not forget that the chaldeans and persians spoke aramaic, does it make them arameans then? Also we are not genetically related to syrians (arameans), we are more related to marsh arabs in southern iraq, which is considered to be descendants of the sumerians, all is written in genetics of assyrians in wikipedia. Please change aramean to assyrian.

Early Christian period We should put that osrhoene, adiabene, hatra and assur had assyrian identity, s. 20, National and Ethnic Identity in the Neo-Assyrian Empire and Assyrian Identity in Post-Empire Times by Simo Parpola comment added by Nemrud91 (talkcontribs) —Preceding undated comment added 14:54, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Time dilation[edit]

Hi, Meganesia, that was a good edit, but it really belongs in a neuropsychology related article, or perhaps in article Time—not in Time in physics of course Face-smile.svg. Cheers - DVdm (talk) 15:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. And you're right - Don't see how it fit there (and I was apprehensive at first), but I thought the subject was interesting and it needed to be somewhere on Wikipedia. Good news is I added those removed contents in time perception. Face-smile.svg - Meganesia 13:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

A fabulous barnstar for you![edit]

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Because you have diligently made regular contributions to the encyclopedia over the course of the last five years. I noticed your recent edits on Time perception, and thought to myself, "Wow, these are smart, well-written additions that improve this article." I then scanned your Talk page and contributions and decided you were overdue for your 2nd barnstar! - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) 20:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Fully agree! - DVdm (talk) 21:08, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. I just thought these additions were vital and somebody had to add them. - Meganesia 13:15, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Prospect Hill[edit]

Hi Meganesia! The gates at the top of Clunies Ross Street have been closed almost the whole time since I started exploring Prospect Hill in about 2003. I noticed they were open for a short while near the end of last year. The standard notice (prohibiting ball games and the like) by Holroyd Council (now presumably Cumberland) clearly implies public access to the strip of land leading to the Prospect Lookout summit. Access has for many years been through a gap between the left end of the fence and the right end of the brick retaining wall. This gap has recently become overgown with vegetation. See also my comments on Prospect Hill Pine Forest. Mike Spathaky (talk) 09:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi Mike. Yep, I know that the gates at the top of CR Street were opened briefly in around 2015-16 I think. Not sure why they closed them again? I checked that place and you're right that it's overgrown with vegetation. I wanted to enter from the Clunies end, as the gate was partially opened (and I am agile), but I was pretty apprehensive - Either I would be bitten by a snake or they'd catch me and call security on me. =D Meganesia 01:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

I am also fed up with the constant rejection of Sydney montages[edit]

I made another montage that the same people have opposed. Yet again. It's ways the same users chiming in, saying they don't want a montage, because they're frightened of it making the Sydney page look like a travel brochure. The most recent one I created is available here for your consideration. I'd really like to see it used. It's ridiculous that these same few users keep rejecting a montage and they have been doing it for at least a decade. It's time they are challenged, because they've had unmitigated control over the Sydney page for far too long. Sydney does need a montage and I've created quite a few, some of which I thought were of good quality, yet they simply could not agree on any one of them. Ashton 29 (talk) 15:04, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

We definitely do need a montage for Sydney. Other large cities have it as well, so I don't see why it's a "travel brochure". These people are clueless and just classically stubborn. They need to be open for new opinions of other users. You're right that it's the same people from a decade ago that are adamantly refusing a montage. They should really do another a poll on this and let us have our say. Thanks for sharing your montage. Whilst I admire your passion for making these, I just thought this one was a bit unappealing - Dr Chau Chak Wing is not a prominent or famous landmark (in fact, I just heard of it now and realized it was built 3 years ago) and the Museum station is pretty much just another station in the CBD. There was this one with Martin Place and Town Hall (I think you created that?) which I thought was much better. All in all, we just need unique looking landmarks. Meganesia 1:23, 9 August 2018 (UTC)
Do you have any suggestions about where I should voice my concern? Somewhere with some seniority or unbiased opinions who might be able to talk some sense into these tyrannical page-hoarders. Instead of Dr Chau, and Museum Station, do you have any proposals? I'm open for suggestions. Perhaps a panorama of Central Station where Museum Station might better suit it. Ashton 29 (talk) 12:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
No idea where you should voice your concern. But yes, unbiased people need to see your view on this. The Grand Concourse in Central Station and Martin Place would be better images, in my opinion. Just anything that is unique and distinct, but also recognizable (whereas Dr Chau is too recently built to be recognizable). Meganesia 8:54, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Prospect Reservoir[edit]

On the edit you added some categories, why the two for forests ? Dave Rave (talk) 07:52, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

The edit is from a year and a half ago. So I don't really remember or recall why I added two for the forests at the same time. You may remove 'urban forests' if you want, which is superfluous. Meganesia 04:00, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Cultivation information[edit]

I quite often find writing about the cultivation of plants somewhat frustrating. WP:NOTHOW is very clear that we cannot include "how to" instructions, and in particular says clearly that we must not instruct "the reader in the imperative mood about how to use or do something". So we simply aren't allowed to write "Should be watered regularly in the warm months, but soil should be allowed to dry before watering" as you did at Crassula ovata. I regularly look at the Cultivation sections of featured articles, e.g. Telopea speciosissima#Cultivation, for examples of how to write about cultivation, which is an important topic for plants like Crassula ovata. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:09, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

I will try to rewrite the section in a way where it doesn't look like a how-to guide. Thanks for the heads up. Meganesia 2:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Copyright problem on Fairfield, New South Wales[edit]

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Thanks for the heads up. It was late at night and I was making my edits rather hastily. When I base my work on an internet article I try my hardest to write the content in my own words (whilst basing it on the original work). I will add those contents, which were rather important to the article, and I will reword them in my own way. Feel free to review them. — Meganesia 23:24, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Melaleuca decora[edit]

Hello Meganesia,

Thank you for your interest in Melaleuca decora. I suggest that in spite of your suggestion to "look at pictures", the changes you have made to the lead section of the article do not conform to the body of the article or to the references. I do agree with you that the plants in the pictures look like large trees but none of the references refer to the species as "medium to moderately large sized". The references have "tall shrub or small tree",[1] "tree 8-10 m tall"[2], "small, rather decorative, slender tree, usually 5-10m",[3] "tall shrub or tree to 7 m high",[4] and "small tree".[5] If you can find a reference to a "moderate to large-sized tree", please add it to the article. I am sure you will agree that the references should be the only source of an article's text. As to the tree near Melita Stadium, the image is mine. I can assure you that it is only a small tree although it may appear large in the image. Gderrin (talk) 09:29, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


  1. ^ Carolin, Roger C.; Tindale, Maru D. (1994). Flora of the Sydney region (4th ed.). Reed. p. 401. ISBN 0730104001.
  2. ^ Brophy, Joseph J.; Craven, Lyndley A.; Doran, John C. (2013). Melaleucas : their botany, essential oils and uses. Canberra: Australian Centre for International Agricultural Research. p. 140. ISBN 9781922137517.
  3. ^ Holliday, Ivan (2004). Melaleucas : a field and garden guide (2nd ed.). Frenchs Forest, N.S.W.: Reed New Holland Publishers. pp. 82–83. ISBN 1876334983.
  4. ^ "Melaleuca decora". Plantnet:Royal Botanic Garden Sydney. Retrieved 26 October 2018.
  5. ^ "Melaleuca decora White Feather Honey Myrtle" (PDF). Waverley Council. Retrieved 26 October 2018.
Thanks for your input and sorry for the late response. True, the sources indicate that Decoras are small or slender trees no higher than 7 meters (but I would happy to find sources that would indicate the tree can get larger than that). One of the images in the gallery is taken by me (this one is near my home), and I can also guarantee you that it is a large specimen, almost as high as 20m and very robust. I'll take more pics of it if you like and share the images here. To note, that specimen is almost double the size of that TWO STOREY home behind it. Meganesia 23:07, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

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Hello there, Meganesia!

Based on your recent edit summaries on Tyari, it would seem that I have upset you. I have to apologize for that--it was not my intention at all. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your edits, but this is Wikipedia after all: your edits are subject to change by others. Because of the fact that you left most of my changes untouched, I'd like to think that you agree with those and don't think I'm just here to throw a monkey wrench into your hard work.

It looks like the summary on the undo got cut off; it was supposed to say something like "lībāh = an inflected feminine form; masculine = lībēh." I was also supposed to discuss the 'dubious' tags on the talk page, which I evidently forgot to. Other points:

  • I disagree with Holeh/doleh meaning simply "there!" (as a sort of adverb). I'd translate it more as "Here/there [he/she] is!" (more like an interjection). If anything, it's a contraction, e.g. holeh axxa ("here he is") or holah tama ("there she is"). I've made the change.
  • The sound file with the speaker's "silent d-" is not the best example if you're trying to illustrate the possessive form. Also, since Sureth usually stresses the penult, if it really were otaxid diyeh, then she should be stressing it as oh-TAX-id DI-yeh, not OH-tuhx DI-yeh, as she seems to say. Can you find a better file for that? Also, we need details on the speakers noted in the description of these types of files: her age, where she was born/raised, what other languages she speaks/have influenced her dialect, where/when the recording was made (Jordan?), etc.
  • mbuqirrukh "do you even speak the language?" in leleh mabyone, he. xashwin maṣin mṣothinneh lishana raba ṣpay.

I hope we can work together to make the article even better. posh b-shayna/push pshena. :) --334a (talk) 20:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

First of, thank you for input. You are nice enough to understand other editors. So kudos for that, as others are usually quite stubborn and persistent.
  • You are perhaps right. But the modern Assyrian language has evolved so much and people use words in colloquial matters. So "holeh/doleh" has also meant "there" in some cases. Sure, this probably wasn't the case in classical Syriac. Besides, Assyrian uses grammatical gender, so "doleh/holeh" can mean for "male" or "female" objects as well. We normally do say, for instance, "dooleh telephony" ("there is my phone").
  • Again, we speak fast and we have butchered the language as well. Heck, some of us say "yaweleh QALI" when we should be saying "yaweleh qati" ('qali' is voice and qati is 'to me'). The female speaker in the audio has that thick, rural Tyari accent. They speak in a lazy manner. I doubt they would care about stressing or lack thereof. It's like saying "how ya'll doing" is not "how are you all doing" in full (when it is). Same thing with "otakh diyi" - She obviously means to say "otakh d diyeh". Her lazy accent doesn't change anything. Hell, even I drop the D. =)
  • Hahahaha he, khsholee bala leyetet suret raba. Mabyone raba parmeyetle lishanan. Sorry for sounding mean. It's just the Assyrian pages get trolled by "Arameans" and the likes a bit too much. So I was becoming defensive.
Oh yeah, I cannot find any good sources for the Assyrian language, sadly. But that's understandable since we are rather forgotten and rarely mentioned in books. ~ Meganesia

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hello.Can you please tell me the title of the song under the description of:"A danceable pop ballad from the 1980s which is set in Dorian ♭2, a commonly used scale in Assyrian music." in this article:Assyrian folk/pop music.? I really like it Mnbvc300795 (talk) 00:25, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Sure. It's called "Go Shara" by David Simon. Here is its YouTube link:
What made you like that song? Just curious. :) Meganesia 14:14, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


You might care to read WP:REDLINK. While certain types of redlinks shouldn't be created, geographical (and many other types) are quite acceptable. We often refer to "redlinks with possibilities" as they give some idea of the desirability of a an article on a particular topic. We even have a page titled Wikipedia:Most-wanted articles showing the most popularly linked topics that do not yet have an article. There are, for example, 85 links to Harper Creek, Queensland indicating that an article should probably be written for that place. In short, geographical redlinks should never be deleted as that hides from editors the need for a particular article. --AussieLegend () 10:25, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

@AussieLegend: Fair enough and rather understandable. I just thought an abundance of redlinks give articles a poor, unattractive look. Like as if, it's edited by a new user or something, who doesn't know what articles exist or not. Now about me looking at a map of New South Wales, and if Hunter Valley is situated above Greater Western Sydney. Yes, I have looked at a map (I love maps even) and I'd argue that below Hunter Valley or to its south, is Greater Western Sydney. To its southeast is Central Coast. East is Tasman Sea. Southwest is the Blue Mountains. West are the Plains. Please look at this map of Sydney Basin, where I inserted labels to show you how these regions sit next to each other. Hopefully you'll understand where I'm coming from and see that I'm not totally wrong. Besides, what is above the Greater Western Sydney? Certainly it's not the Blue Mountains. After all, Yengo National Park near Putty Road, is just north of the Sydney metropolitan area, making it in the Lower Hunter Valley, is it not? I am not dreaming. ~ Meganesia 10:50, 05 January 2019 (UTC)
If you drive south along the M1 Motorway which runs several km inland from the coast you head straight into the Central Coast, which is between Sydney and Newcastle. Newcastle is the capital of the Hunter Region. It just happens to be where the Hunter River meets the sea and the Central Coast is actually south-west of there, not south-east. There are areas to the west in the Hunter Region where Greater Western Sydney is south - it all depends on where you look from. The absolute geographical centre of the region is hard to find because the actual borders are not actually defined, so that's not a good point to reference everything from. Until a few years ago the borders pretty much followed the LGA boundaries but with mergers, the northern borders are now rather grey. In such cases we generally base observation on higher population levels and access to and from the region which puts the Central Coast south and the Tasman Sea to the east and south-east. Geographically, the "lower" valley is usually that part of a valley towards the mouth of the associated river, not the southern part of the region as shown in your map. For example, the lower Nile Valley is not in Uganda, it's in Egypt. Yengo is a funny one. Some say it's in the Hunter Valley but very few people from the Hunter Region would agree with that. If you look at the NPWS website it says that Yengo is in the Greater Blue Mountains World Heritage Area, so not the Hunter. --AussieLegend () 11:42, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Personally, I also wouldn't categorise Yengo within the Hunter Valley Region as well. It's way too southernmost. I just thought, by looking at a map and some map labels, Yengo would be in the lowest reaches of the Hunter Valley. But it's a stretch, it seems. I guess I'll have to concede here. ~ Meganesia 09:01, 08 January 2019 (UTC)
Just a note about this edit summary, specifically where you say "I want them moved" and "You have to accept this edit", NOBODY has to accept ANY edit. If you open an edit window you will see at the bottom a note that says "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use, and you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL". You don't WP:OWN anything on Wikipedia and you certainly can't tell anybody what you want or what they have to do. Everything is done by consensus. --AussieLegend () 11:56, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia has rules for everything, doesn't it? I will keep that in mind and I'll try not taking ownership of articles in here – even though I'm so preoccupied with some of them. =) ~ Meganesia 09:01, 08 January 2019 (UTC)

Image size[edit]

What is your setting for thumbnail size? At 220px (the default) I can't simulate the problem you claimed here except at the most extreme resolutions that most people don't use. I'm not sure what you were getting at with "I think everyone will know that this Anglo-Saxon gentleman is affiliated with the European settlement and not the Aboriginals." That's not what I meant by "distracting". Images straight after a heading take focus and distract the reader from the text, which is undesirable. It doesn't matter what the image is. It's not just a matter of plonking images where they fit. They should be placed correctly. Regardless, reducing the image size and using {{clear left}} before the following section should fix your problem and be unnoticeable to other readers. If you still have an issue after ensuring your default thumbnail size is 220px, then let me know. --AussieLegend () 07:42, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

It's not about the thumbnail size setting per se. On my device, which is a PC, the image of the European explorer intrudes well within the next category. That kinda makes the page look untidy. Maybe it's my monitor or screen size. ~ User:Meganesia) 09:06, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:LindaGeorge.jpg[edit]

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Copy pasting without attribution[edit]

Please read over WP:Copying within Wikipedia. Please add attribution from History of Australia and sources for the edit or it will be reveted on the grounds of copyright violation and being non-sourced.-- (talk) 13:06, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

I just added the attribution. I don't know where to get additional sources though. Besides, the content that was copied or gotten from History of Australia, which is now in the Australia history article, seem decently sourced to me, such as the "Precolonial" and "Colonial expansion" section. -- Meganesia 13:22, 5 February 2019 (UTC)


I see you've been talked with about this before, but please don't add categories to articles unless the category describes a primary attribute of the article subject. The Harry Potter films are not primarily mystery films, and it is inappropriate to describe them as such, just as it would be inappropriate to describe them as being films about murder simply because murders occur within them. Thank you for your understanding. DonIago (talk) 21:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Can I ask you questions regarding assyrian or aramaic languages?[edit]