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Anon. in Violation of 3RR - Help?[edit]

User User talk: Has violated the 3RR policy, two times over [Here]. Barring the fact that thise editor has also Personal Attacked me here Talk:Manhood (Law & Order) which I'm personally not too happy about...All because I have repeatedly asked for Consensus for a statement that has no reliable internt source, which has yet to be provided, since May 15. Can you please help me out here, Melburnian? Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 13:48, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Best to take it to the WP:3RRN or WP:ANI, I would but I'm about to head off since I have an early start. Bidgee (talk) 13:50, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank You Bidgee :) Another Administrator, temp. blocked the Anon. for the Violation. It's the same anon, that wasn't assuming good faith to you here. What is Wikipedia coming down to? :( -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 13:56, 5 June 2011 (UTC)


Thank You for your assistance with the Temporary Block, hopefully the IP now understands where I am coming from. I'll do my very best, if he/her tries to, to fix the issue, or find a resolution that both editors agree on. I guess it's the only way. So thank You Melburnian and also Bidgee for the assistance, greatly appreciated. :) -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 09:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


Look like parts of the south east coast are over-loaded with dumb tags and under-worked on considering what is in the goldmine of trove SatuSuro 13:56, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Full marks to P. Whitehead who was prepared to destroy his car on the flying four mile "so as not to disappoint the big crowd of visitors". --Melburnian (talk) 02:04, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Flora of Australia Online links.[edit]

You are welcome, but I'm just starting with the list going from the top to the bottom. I am in "Adenanthos". If you want, you may help, for instance, going from the bottom to the top ;) --Canyq (talk) 18:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

I was trying to update some of these a while back, but was having limited success as the web site seemed to have a lot of dead links for a while there, though looking right now it seems to be working fine. I'll have a go from the bottom up on the weekend. Melburnian (talk) 00:07, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Stub-class rating[edit]

Apropos the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Plants#One_article_per_species, it seems to me that we should reserve the "stub" rating for articles which are of very limited value as they stand. By that criterion, I don't rate Persoonia arborea as a stub; it's at least Start-class, surely? If it had been written and rated by someone else, someone I didn't know was an very experienced editor, I would change the rating. Peter coxhead (talk) 22:31, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

I find the borderline between stubs and start class to be a bit of a grey area. When doing an assessment at this level, I normally just go with a gut feeling but the thing that I have uppermost in my mind is whether the article would qualify as a DYK per WP:WIADYK which requires a "minimum of 1,500 characters of prose (ignoring infoboxes, categories, references, lists, and tables etc.)". At least at this level, we can be quite sure that the article has achieved start class. The article as it stands now has 881 characters so is well short of DYK length. On the other hand , the simplest metric for a stub at WP:Stub is "A stub is an article containing only a few sentences of text ". The article has 10 sentences, so by this standard it is beyond a stub. Another thing worth considering is the WP:CL-RULE essay. One problem with this is that we cannot be sure how long the ultimate length of this article might be without a full literature search, and this is something that is not normally undertaken until the article is approaching good article or featured article status. Finally my personal interpretation of "meaningful content" for species articles includes a photo, so the presence of a photo will influence my assessment of borderline cases. Regarding my class assessments in general, where I have not justified them in an edit summary or on the talk page, I am quite happy for other editors to make a considered reassessment.Melburnian (talk) 02:26, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
I think that my "gut" assessment criteria are very close to yours, so I've changed the WP Plants assessment of Persoonia arborea to Start-class. I haven't altered the WP Australia assessment, which is perhaps a mistake but I'm reluctant to meddle in projects I don't belong to. I actually think the borderline between stub and start is less of a grey area than between start and C, but this is probably because I think of a stub as what I now know used to be called a "substub". Given that once put into the stub class, plant articles are very slow to leave, I think it's better to reserve "stub" for articles such as those with <5 sentences and no photo which really do need fairly urgent expansion. The present stub class is so huge that there seems no point in working on it. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:07, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Cultivar names and trade designations[edit]

The discussion at WT:PLANTS#Cultivar names and trade designations ended with you and I agreeing that this needed to be sorted out into a WP:PLANTS policy. However, as no-one else responded, I didn't get back to it. I happened to stumble on the article Rosa 'Anne_Harkness', which reminded me of this unfinished business. My understanding of the sources is that when the article says "'Anne Harkness' (syn. 'HARkaramel')" this is an incorrect use of "syn(onym)". The cultivar name is 'HARkaramel'; Anne Harkness is a trade designation, not a synonymous cultivar name. I won't have much time for Wikipedia for the next 2-3 weeks, but don't want this topic to be lost. What's the best way forward? Peter coxhead (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't forgotten about this Peter, but have been too busy working recently to have had time to edit. But I think rejuvenating the discussion at the WP:Plants talk page is probably the most logical way forward (and please excuse me for pushing in before Melburnian has even answered!). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I think it would be best to start a new thread there such as "Cultivar names and trade designations (part 2)" with a link to the previous one.Melburnian (talk) 01:55, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
Ok, good idea; I have done this at WT:PLANTS#Cultivar names and trade designations (part 2). I hope my summary is right. Please add your comments. Peter coxhead (talk) 12:49, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Image Request[edit]

Hello Melburnian,

My name is Heidi and put together a bimonthly property magazine for Landmark Operations. Landmark is a national organisation that provides farming and agricultural products, via our local community branch for all rural and regional towns. We also sell real estate and we put together a magazine to promote the farms for sale. Each edition, we feature a general interest article and we have chosen a topic of "Mutating Wildflowers" for our October edition. I was hoping you could please send through some high resolution images to accompany the article of the Eremophila glabra (hybrid plum. I have browsed your webpage and see that you have a couple of fantastic images of this magnificent flora. Ideally, I need high resolution images (approximately 1MB) for publishing. I would certainly credit your image to yourself and ensure you receive a copy of the magazine too. If you need any further information, please feel free to email me or call me, otherwise, I would be grateful to receive any photos you could provide.

Kind regards, Heidi Email: [redacted] Phone: [redacted] (talk) 06:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Draft template[edit]

Hi Melburnian, FYI, if you add the template {{Userspace draft}} to your draft pages, they won't show up on Google. Cheers, Melchoir (talk) 00:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Done, thanks for the advice. Melburnian (talk) 00:44, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ptilotus nobilis[edit]

Fut.Perf. 11:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Persoonia myrtilloides[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 23:52, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Prostanthera stenophylla[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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Photo source[edit]

new source for images

Hi I just spent a few hours with User:Raygday he owns and is willing to share some of his many photographs with us under the necessary free license. checkout some his stylidium animations. He already has a commons account drop him a note if there are any images of interest. Gnangarra 16:19, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Hu Gnang, good to hear from you. There are indeed some excellent photos on his site. I'll have a look through and see what may inspire some new articles. Thanks, Melburnian (talk) 23:12, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Wiki Conference India[edit]

Hello, Can you please review this, I have removed all the plagiarism. Only the Tag need to be removed. I am suggesting a hook here, please consider. ALT...that the three day wiki conference is running from 18th to 20th of November in Mumbai University, Mumbai, India. If you are online please make a decision ASAP. We don't have much time. Thank you. -- aηsuмaη :) ༽Ϟ 07:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Grevillea baileyana[edit]

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 08:02, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dampiera purpurea[edit]

Orlady (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC) 16:03, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


The abstract says that 4, not 2, species have been "tranferred" from Rulingia to Androcalva. Lavateraguy (talk) 12:33, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes indeed, I have now made the corrections, thanks for letting me know. Melburnian (talk) 04:44, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Added sauce award[edit]

The Added Sauce award

is awarded to Melburnian for hunting down and adding a d.o.b. reference to the Molly Meldrum article, as all our dishes are better with added sources (sauces). It is particularly piquant that I was looking for such a source for years! I'm impressed.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 19:20, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, it shows what a great resource Trove is. Thanks for your work on improving and referencing the article. Melburnian (talk) 21:49, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Xmas[edit]

Ceratopetalum gummiferum-Minchen.jpg Merry Christmas
From me, a happy NSW Xmas bush Xmas from us all down here in Oz (damn, should have 5x expanded that for this there still time I wonder....) Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Happy Australia Day! Thank you for contributing to Australian content![edit]

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Thank you for your contributions on English Wikipedia that have helped improve Australian related content. :D It is very much appreciated. :D Enjoy your Australia Day and please continue your good work! LauraHale (talk) 01:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

new species[edit] Gnangarra 03:20, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, it's cool to know that there are still new species out there waiting to be discovered. When it lands here I'll make an article for it. Melburnian (talk) 06:55, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Now if only Southern Cross was a wee bit closer Gnangarra 14:34, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Horticulture and Gardening invitation[edit]

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Thank you very much[edit]

Thank you very much by your unselfish cooperation in the Article "Biodiversity of New Caledonia". Muchas gracias por tu colaboración desinteresada en el articulo "Biodiversidad de Nueva Caledonia". Curritocurrito (talk) 13:41, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Science lovers wanted![edit]

Science lovers wanted!
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Hi! I'm serving as the wikipedian-in-residence at the Smithsonian Institution Archives until June! One of my goals as resident, is to work with Wikipedians and staff to improve content on Wikipedia about people who have collections held in the Archives - most of these are scientists who held roles within the Smithsonian and/or federal government. I thought you might like to participate since you are interested in the sciences! Sign up to participate here and dive into articles needing expansion and creation on our to-do list. Feel free to make a request for images or materials at the request page, and of course, if you share your successes at the outcomes page you will receive the SIA barnstar! Thanks for your interest, and I look forward to your participation! Sarah (talk) 01:11, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


Hi Melburnian, thank you for your kind thoughts on my talk page. I have likewise enjoyed our interactions. Remember the "What looks like peas?" discussion from January 2011? That was priceless. Best wishes. Nadiatalent (talk) 20:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC) (P.S.: You might occasionally see a few edits from someone who sounds a bit like me, for old-time's sake).

Ha, "What looks like peas?" had a lot of people (including me) scratching their heads. See you (or someone like you) 'round.--Melburnian (talk) 01:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Albert de Lestang[edit]

Are you (or some one?) planning to nominate Albert de Lestang for DYK? If not, I would be happy to. --LauraHale (talk) 11:48, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes your welcome to go for it. I didn't know about this guy before I came across this, an interesting subject. I'm going to do a bit more tweaking in the meantime. Melburnian (talk) 11:58, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Albert de Lestang[edit]

Thanks from Wikipedia and the DYK team Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Disphyma crassifolium subsp. clavellatum[edit]


Would you be interested in having your photo included in my book that I am self-publishing, which is going to be called Alternative Crops for Drylands?

Here is the photo I would like to use:

What is your full name that you would like me to include in the credits? Also, where was this picture taken?

Please respond to me at my email address:

Thanks, Scott O’Bar — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:17, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

help needed[edit]

my user page - I am stuffed that I can pin it down... any clues would be appreciated (note p;attern of leaf) - cheers - SatuSuro 12:37, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I had a look at it when you put it up (not that I'm stalking you or anything ;-), but those Fabaceae can be tricky. Whereabouts was it taken? --Melburnian (talk) 12:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
please - I have so many people watching my user page (god knows who or why - ....) your watching it is no problem and in fact

welcomed.... some where in darling range - but what bothers me is the leaf shape - i suspect it is a daviesii that i havent closely enough checked through on florabase - also the fairly solid front brown thingo... the donkey orchid down the street almsot looks like the flower - at the moment.. SatuSuro 13:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll put it here for future reference.--Melburnian (talk) 13:32, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
I have a horrible suspicion that my commons account has over 20 unidentified items from 4? or 5? years ago when gnangarra and i went up into a reserve or two in the wheatbelt... it was when i discovered a fascination with lichen... anyways I will try to keep you in mind if and when i get a +ve id on it... or if you do, please let me know... fabaceae we agree, its not horrida.. its the damned leaf profile that is the main clue... SatuSuro 13:47, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
In C.A. Gardner's Wildflowers of Western Australia it looks like the picture of Bossiaea aquifolium on page 55. It occurs in the Darling Range too.--Melburnian (talk) 00:49, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
beard plant life identifies northern jarrah forest - which it is as well - The WA flora descrip cat - has 3 subsp - its off to florabase i go! yup looks very like it - just a bit picky about the descrip cat's subspecies - will need to double check - after all these years - thanks your help and encouragement is always appreciated SatuSuro 01:09, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting Burns in his little book about my old home area [ Burns, Cliff; Burns, Sharron; Taylor, Anne; Day, Peter; Burns, Cliff; Burns, Sharron (2011), Local flora and bushlands : Darlington and surrounds : 404 local species photographed (1st ed ed.), Cliff and Sharron Burns, ISBN 978-0-9806454-1-5  ] doesnt include it... SatuSuro 01:13, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Check out this map (pan and zoom in) for location of records.--Melburnian (talk) 01:25, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
wow what an amazing resource!! the northern most north easternish dot is it... thanks for the link - intriguing!! SatuSuro 01:29, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Enchylaena tomentosa[edit]


Would you be interested in having your photo included in my book that I am self-publishing, which is going to be called Alternative Crops for Drylands?

Here is the photo I would like to use: Do you have a higher quality version?

What is your full name that you would like me to include in the credits? Also, where was this picture taken?

Please respond to me at my email address:

Thanks, Scott O’Bar (talk) 21:05, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Tony Charlton[edit]

Great work on the Tony Charlton article! I was hoping someone would create an article and you've done a great job with it! Wikipeterproject (talk) 04:10, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I was disappointed to find a red link yesterday so I hurriedly cobbled something together to get the ball rolling; there's a lot more that could be added.--Melburnian (talk) 04:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
Dear Melburnian. I would like to express my high appreciation for your initiative to start a Wiki-page on Tony Charlton. As you will see, I just did some facelifting activities to it. I am especially grateful to you since, when visiting Australia last month, on 11th November I was introduced to Tony Charlton and his wife Loris by friends of mine, having breakfast with them somewhere in Melbourne, quite near the Shrine of Remembrance. Tony was still very active then, having an appointment in Ballarat that same afternoon, to honour some World War 1 hero. During this breakfast, through mediation of my friend Marion Huygens, who had been working for Charlton in the past, Tony and Marion presented me a book on former Formula 1 world champion Jack Brabham, I have been a lifetime fan of. Brabham had written a personal message to me in this book and Charlton, urged by my friend, had organised all this for me. In fact, a photograph of this meeting, together with Tony's signature and personal message and sent to me by my friend, was delivered to me by post last Monday, only a few hours after I had learned about Tony's death. So you will now understand, why I am so very grateful to you for your initiative. Regards, Piet.Wijker (talk) 10:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Hi Piet, thank your kind note of appreciation and sharing your personal story. I've been reading a lot about Tony Charlton these last few days and "gentleman" and "generous" are words that keep appearing. I am quite amazed by his long and diverse list of achievements (still lots to add!). All the best.--Melburnian (talk) 13:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Brilliant Work[edit]

Brilliant work on the list of plants in Gibraltar Botanic gardens. I had been creating a new one eery day or so but you have "found" dozens. Brilliant! Thank you Victuallers (talk) 09:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

(Replied at User talk:Victuallers--Melburnian (talk) 10:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC))

Oh A wikimedia botanical Garden IS the plan[edit]

The reason we are so interested in this list is QRpedia we want to do all the plants in one place. Do you know where we could get help with this plan? Victuallers (talk) 15:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Having an existing connection with a suitable candidate botanical garden would be useful...but I don't myself unfortunately.--Melburnian (talk) 12:37, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy to hear you might stub some of the plants, I try and do some every now and again. Do tell us of your progress, we could send you a Tee shirt! Victuallers (talk) 13:55, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

About Eucalyptus gunnii subsp. divaricata - thank you![edit]

Hi Melburnian. Thanks for fixing that fuddle up. Peter aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:58, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

No worries. It's an interesting plant with an interesting story. A bit more sourcing to do but it's getting there.--Melburnian (talk) 00:22, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Fire-related categories[edit]

113 sub-categories of Category:19th-century fires and Category:20th-century fires, one of which you have created (Category:1926 fires), have been nominated for merging. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Waltham, The Duke of 16:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Lambertia formosa[edit]

Are you happy to be a co-nominator at FAC? You've done lots with it and having two of us makes FAC easier...cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Sure, thanks for asking.--Melburnian (talk) 02:25, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Ok - will alert you when it goes live. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:19, 6 March 2013 (UTC)


Sorry for forgetting to add a link to Commons at Lysiosepalum involucratum, I had intended to do that. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:22, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for all your recent Australian flora uploads.--Melburnian (talk) 00:47, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Finschia – and more rainforest plants from across Sahul continent[edit]


how’s it going?

Do you like and mind what i have done with Finschia Warb. (New Guinea plant genus)? ——--macropneuma 04:06, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it's always great to see a stubby stub expanded - thanks for that. It would be nice to track down an image somewhere to use in the article.--Melburnian (talk) 05:36, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
They’re really interesting trees, huh?
There’s a few black and white photograph old beauties and an excellent illustration in the Flora Malesiana digitised online, here (presumably available for WP), and
these two cultivated in Florida plant photos, not so good composition, quality, but very interesting, photos, in Flickr—i think having licences that are not avail. for WP, please correct me if that’s wrong.:
While i’m talking on photographs, on different subjects, Don Franklin has great, beautiful, interesting, plant photographs, quietly sitting here. And of course i assume, you and Cas must know Kaisa and Stanley Breeden’s magnificent photographs, Hugh and Nan Nicholson’s stunning plant photographs gallery, and William T. Cooper’s wonderful paintings? (Copyright, all professional photos and paintings, of course none of them available for upload to WP) ——--macropneuma 06:13, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
I have a couple of the Nicholson's books - their photos of rainforest plants are exceptional.--Melburnian (talk) 06:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Yeh, their exceptional photographs (agreed).
I am meaning their online thumbnail gallery of all their professional photographs which are available for purchase:
Have you seen it? Wow, i say—with imagination of all the full photographs’ quality; that i cannot afford to purchase. I’ve never met them though they’re friends of friends—who keep telling me to go visit them.
In teenage learning field botany i cut my teeth on, you know, their 6 volume full set, of Hugh’s stunning photograph filled books. Originally, the volumes came out progressively over some years, each that i couldn’t wait for as a teenager learning plants in the field and propagating E. Australian rainforest plants.
I cut my teenage field botany teeth as well on many more books, especially JB William’s & Gwen Harden’s well known 'Red Book' original, also on David Jones’s Rainforest Plants of Australia (Reed) (he signed my copy in an SGAP Ringwood late 1980s meeting) and W. D. Francis’ QLD rainforest trees ancient book—in the old Technical Book shop, top of Swanston St. near Museum, i managed to get them to dig that old book out of their top storage shelves.
The 'Red Book' was the second plant book i bought, when about 16 years old (1986), after i bought Jones and Clemesha’s 'Australian Ferns' and their allies (green covered) 1984–5 book, with some pay from botanical holidays work experience.
Awesome—and coming soon—the DVD superlative version, from combined talents of Hugh & Nan Nicholson (10,000 photographs), and Gwen Harden & the late John B. Williams (based on their books including the 'Red Book', their great research and so on) and Terry Tame and Bill McDonald—again wow!:
—i can’t wait, and still can’t wait after i have been waiting for three years and once in while emailing Gwen about small, other, questions.
—now it looks like coming out in mid this year. You may or may not already know about this coming out? ——--macropneuma 07:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes the Terrania site is excellent and the interacive DVD coming out sounds fantastic. The Technical Book shop was a great place to visit, particularly when we only had Angus & Robertsons and Collins bookstores out in the burbs.--Melburnian (talk) 10:21, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The 'interactive DVD', in the last week now i’ve had a good look through a beta draft copy at the ATH for proof reading purposes—this draft has the title: "Rainforests from Rockhampton to Victoria".

It’s really good information as expected and the great photographs by Hugh Nicholson and more people, the average of about 6 photos per plant record, including many species have a bark photo.

A (fair use) quotation below, to share a little documentation of how much it covers and to encourage the buying and using of it when it comes out later this year:


This treatment is based on the revised editions of the Red and the Green Books, Rainforest Trees and Shrubs (Harden, McDonald & Williams, 2006) and Rainforest Climbers Plants (Harden, McDonald & Williams, 2007) utilizing and expanding the text for the descriptions and including the line drawings. The information for the Lucid Key has been drawn from these books as well as numerous other sources including fresh material and herbarium specimens.

The package provides illustrated descriptive information and an interactive key (using the Lucid software) to the identification of the 1141 taxa of rainforest trees, shrubs and climbing plants of subtropical eastern mainland Australia, i.e. south from the Tropic of Capricorn at Rockhampton to southern Victoria.


© G.J. Harden, H. Nicholson, T. Tame, N. Nicholson & W.J.F. McDonald 2012 [sic]. All rights reserved. Use of this program constitutes acceptance of the Licence Agreement accompanying this package (still to be finalized). Copyright in the Product is and remains the property of the authors.

——--macropneuma 07:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Nice work with Finschia - I suspect it'll get sunk into a unified Grevillea/Hakea genus at some point...but interesting plants nonetheless....Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. There’s more to do, of course.
Perhaps they’ll get lumped (sunk)? I can’t guess why you suspect it’ll get sunk though. Having closely read the two early–stage genetics papers cited and the supra-generic classification of the family published just prior to them, the implication seems as a pretty strong message to conserve them under their current genera (names)—conservative of the status quo; hence i’d like to know your reasoning and/or sources please. Of course plant genetics continues changing so many classifications and more, so nearly anything imaginable could come out of future genetics results.
Again thanks, heehee, for the did you know. Does that mean i shouldn’t improve the wording or referencing of that DYK sentence clause until the DYK process is complete? Or should i now (ASAP?) improve the clause as much as i have the sources to do so? I’ve not worked with DYKs before, thx. ——--macropneuma 13:10, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
(a) I've been talking to Peter Weston and Peter Olde...molecular work indicates it might be nested within Grevillea. (b) nah, don't worry about DYK nom, just keep on buffing worries there. Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:40, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. a) Reply: Please, what did they say? :) —more (specifics) please. b) Reply: Looks like the DYK went well. ——--macropneuma 07:44, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
I'll double check on what I am allowed to say...more soon.... ;) Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:34, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Okay. Please include the asking of them the wonderful curly question based on the statement of fact that they have indehiscent fruiting bodies, drupes; a thin, fleshy, outer 'shell', exocarp, like a more fleshy version of the Macadamia 'fruit’s' leathery outer green 'shell', exocarp, together alike with Helicia; and like Macadamia’s very hard woody testa inner 'shell', an inner, very hard woody, 'shell', endocarp—Sleumer’s 1958 terms. The inner and outer zones of the pericarp, is the term used by Don Foreman 1995. Certainly not a follicle—a synapomorphy, as i understand it, between Grevillea and Hakea. Seems this’ll be a fascinating communication of a botany technicality and social interaction. I might qualify it by adding: at least as indehiscent as Macadamia as they have a 'suture line' in the very hard woody testa endocarp but that woody testa, inner 'shell', doesn’t open readily as a follicle does for releasing the seed from the plant at maturity, those Finschia and Macadamia inner 'shells' only opening later in the soil after the germinating seed inside pushes it open; if not Finschia comparatively more indehiscent again than Macadamia or perhaps even (?) completely so. If you have a chance to additionally talk with Barry Conn, from his major PNG work i suspect he’ll know Finschia 'in the live flesh' from the field, more—of course these fellahs all talk and work together—i’d love talking with all of these fellahs someday when i have a chance there.

The Finschia treatment in Foreman, Don B. (1995). "Proteaceae". In Conn, Barry J. Handbooks of the flora of Papua New Guinea Vol. 3 page 229 says:

Fruit indehiscent, globose, oblique, usually compressed laterally; pericarp with a thin fleshy outer zone and a thick, woody, ± rough inner zone. Seeds 1 or 2; cotyledons thick and fleshy.

——--macropneuma 13:43, 3 April 2013 (UTC) —clarifying Macadamia fruit anatomy a little more—--macropneuma 01:14, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Cardwellia[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Grevillea pteridifolia[edit]

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Request for images[edit]

Greetings Melburnian,

I am involved with building an app to promote tourism for a Regional area in Victoria which has been devastated by bushfires in the past. I would love to use some of your photos in our app which will be free to download. The images I am looking at are: Pultenaea Muelleri Anthropodium strictum Wurrmbea dioica If you could send me through your highest resolution of these images and your agreement for us to use these photos would be greatly appreciated. If you would like us to acknowledge your contribution please send me the details.

Look forward to hearing from you. Yours sincerely, JF0610 (talk) 13:48, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi, you can contact me here with your request and details.--Melburnian (talk) 14:21, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

JF0610 (talk) 13:21, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

English plant names[edit]

Please see User talk:Casliber#Style of English plant names. Peter coxhead (talk) 23:09, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Australian place[edit]

I've fixe a formatting problem caused by Jimp's edits to the infobox. Can you please check to see if the errors that you mentioned have been fixed? --AussieLegend () 07:46, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Present for you[edit]

Present for you on my user page. ;-) 512bits (talk) 02:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!--Melburnian (talk) 02:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much[edit]

Thank you for your contribution to the new article I'd created, Nicholas Chare, much appreciated, — Cirt (talk) 15:03, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Grevillea mucronulata[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Making a new category[edit]

Is this how you make a category, just add it, then click on create? The instructions I found were confusing, but I notice that when I click on the category:Ripogonum it takes me to a page that I can just create. --AfadsBad (talk) 00:50, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

The way I did it was:
  • Type "Category:Ripogonum" in search
  • At the bottom of the search results it shows:

You may create the page "Category:Ripogonum", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered.

  • Click on the red link (Category:Ripogonum)

and then type [[Category:Liliales]] on the page.--Melburnian (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try it this way next time. Also, you added the category to the pages before you created the category page, and that gave red links that took me to a "create" page also. --AfadsBad (talk) 02:58, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
You're right, I muddled the above description in my haste, here's what I did (take 2):
  • Add [[Category:Ripogonum|foo]] to the articles) (but it's probably better to just do 1 initially) and save.
  • Click category redlink to open page "Creating Category:Ripogonum
  • Type [[Category:Liliales]] on the page and save.--Melburnian (talk) 04:43, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Plant species article name mis-spelling – Technical move brief admin assistance request[edit]

G’day Melburnian, i noticed you’re working on some tropical plants … . Please would you mind assisting with a different tropical plant species from south Asia requiring brief technical move admin assistance? WP article Information about Mitragyna parvifolia has been languishing at the mis-spelling article name of Mitragyna parviflora (sic). This article title mis-spelling of Mitragyna parviflora is not a real name, not even a synonym, that has been described in any standard publications that i have researched.

References – all the necessary sources to prove so

Please move the mis-spelled Mitragyna parviflora article to Mitragyna parvifolia over that latter article’s redirect (and nearly no history). A redirect that has also wrongly been a link to Nauclea orientalis (Indian native also, as well as around here in NE. Qld), for which it definitely is not a true synonym, as i have further researched and proved, after Vinayaraj (talk · contribs) made attempts to address that issue—further evidence on request if required. Are you away from ol’ Melb. town … i’m guessing? --macropneuma 08:32, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

OK, that's done. No, I'm still in the deep south but going troppo for a few days next month.--Melburnian (talk) 09:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks heaps, now Vinayaraj and i may work to better that Mitragyna parvifolia article. He’s adding many good quality photos to commons of plants and places there in his home in India. Numerous plants that also occur naturally in NE. Qld.
The Cairns plants interests, i’m curious about, as i’m in Cairns right now. So much plant life to see up here … perhaps we may cooperate … --macropneuma 09:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
As I'm heading up your way I thought I would dedicate the next few weeks to improving articles of plants found in the Cairns area including creating redirects from common names and updating related genus articles. My knowledge of these plants is pretty poor, so it is very much a learning excercise for me. I hope I can get some photos while I'm up there, but my time to do that will be limited, unfortunately.--Melburnian (talk) 13:50, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
That’s good—good news for me … i’ll get back to you tomorrow. --macropneuma 14:28, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
I sent an email, better late than never; i hope it doesn’t go into spam. --macropneuma 01:21, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I sent a reply.--Melburnian (talk) 02:13, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thanks for blocking the IP address responsible for continuous vandalism of Mowbray College Kreiny (talk) 01:56, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

== Thanks for fixing up that Marbleleaf thing I mentioned. I should have remembered the other common name was Putaputaweta. (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

No worries.--Melburnian (talk) 10:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


Hello, you think this song is in major key or minor key ? (talk) 21:57, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Although I'm very interested in music, and was able to answer your last question at the entertainment reference desk, my technical knowledge in that field is close to zero. I'm sure if you post your question there, you will get a very quick answer.--Melburnian (talk) 00:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I have asked at the entertainment reference desk, but nobody answered it. (talk) 00:52, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to hear that. If your question no longer appears in the listings, I can only suggest that you post it again.--Melburnian (talk) 01:21, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Wonderful work![edit]

Thank you for your Kangaroo expansion! I've been working on it this morning, and you got there before me! What a wonderful story. Have you seen Painting of a Large Dog? Should they be merged? Gareth E Kegg (talk) 13:23, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. No, I hadn't seen Painting of a Large Dog, thanks for that. I've now added information that both paintings share. However there is specific information for each painting that can still be added and each is notable in its own right IMHO, so I'd prefer not to see them merged.--Melburnian (talk) 23:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
PS - I've moved it to Portrait of a Large Dog per the references.--Melburnian (talk) 00:10, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

redback spider Comment[edit]

classic story and great way to end the article - great find! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I was thinking there had been a redback stamp at some stage, and amused to find out why it hadn't gone in to general circulation. Well done to you, 99of9 and the reviewers on the huge amount of work going in to bring the article to the FA benchmark--Melburnian (talk) 23:33, 11 November 2013 (UTC).

Thank you[edit]

for the mention of moving staircases under the Tamarillo heading. That prompted me to look around for the wonderful word "Esculator", which I'd thought was a regional Canadianism, but which turned out to have [5 hits in Commons] (now 4) including Hong Kong, Britain, and Australia. Latin teachers face an uphill battle. :) Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:10, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Those "esculators" seem pretty special. They must have speakers in their moving handrails.[1]--Melburnian (talk) 00:48, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
Some good percussion in there suitable from warning pedestrians that they risk being slurped up by a huge mechanical tongue. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 21:44, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Kongouro from New Holland[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:13, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Asking the expert[edit]

WTW NOV 2013 Damon Corker 036.JPG


I ran a wikitakes event in Waroona and have been uploading the photographs from participants, this one photographed in the Myalup State Forest[2] has me stumped as to what it is, So I thought I'd ask the expert :) for help in identifying , thanks Gnangarra 01:21, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm...that's a hard one. Perhaps its the fruit of Macrozamia riedlei ?[3]
Thanks it does look like one, Gnangarra 07:34, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
I was baffled when I first looked - but I think that is really the only candidate...weird....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:12, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy holiday season....[edit]

SantaMartaCarnival2013 24.JPG Cheers, pina coladas all round!
Damn need a few of these after a frenetic year and Xmas. Hope yours is a good one....Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:02, 25 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Cas, Merry Christmas!--Melburnian (talk) 12:17, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dipodium variegatum[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Acacia denticulosa[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:02, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Epacris impressa[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:38, 12 July 2014 (UTC)


What plant would be next on your list to get buffed to GA/FA.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:23, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, I was out plant hunting near Castlemaine today, and the sea of yellow from various species has me thinking about wattles. Perhaps Acacia pycnantha, our floral emblem which was one of those in flower today..--Melburnian (talk) 10:42, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
An acacia would be good...there are alot to choose from.....hmmmm. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 15:25, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


DYK for Acacia pycnantha[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Grevillea juniperina[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

what next.....[edit]

Happily buffing Grevillea juniperina but lost interest somewhat in the sea of musing on Brachychiton rupestris....or Brachychiton acerifolius for that matter...or we could keep going with the emblems and do Sturt's desert pea maybe....or a NSW or WA Xmas time for Xmas.....any of those pique yer interest? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:39, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm...good general preference is something with "character" (whatever that is), something in season, something I can observe in the field (or failing that, in the garden) - I'm thinking perhaps Nuytsia floribunda or Brachychiton rupestris.--Melburnian (talk) 13:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, might just have a tinker until my enthusiasm warms up for one or the other - sometimes articles gell together well, and sometimes they don't....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Murder of Kylie Maybury[edit]

Hi Would you be interested in expanding the Wikipedia article on Kylie Maybury?

Murder of Kylie Maybury

it just involves editing the article and adding/correcting information. I think Americans have gotten to Kylie's article as it talks about Kylie "going to the grocery store" - Isn't that an Americanism not used in Australia? Paul Austin (talk) 07:04, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, it's not the type of article I would like to research, although I fully support developing it as a quality article. I think a BP Food Plus store would be classified as a convenience store.--Melburnian (talk) 10:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization of Swamp Gum et al.[edit]

I'm assuming my edit to Swamp Gum must have popped up on your watchlist and prompted your moving it sentence case capitalization. If I could trouble you to make the moves to lower case, the other plant common name set indices and disambiguations I'm aware of that are capitalized are:

I could see retaining the capitalized Banksia and Grevillea as scientific names, but genus names that enter general usage as common names aren't usually capitalized. Thank you for your consideration. Plantdrew (talk) 06:22, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

No worries, all done.--Melburnian (talk) 08:12, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year Melburnian![edit]

Thank you very much. A happy new year to you too.--Melburnian (talk) 08:39, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 31, 2015[edit]

A summary of a Featured Article you nominated will appear on the Main Page soon. Was there anything I left out you'd like to see put back in? - Dank (push to talk) 19:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks good, thanks.--Melburnian (talk) 00:00, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


Cornflower blue Yogo sapphire.jpg

plants around Melbourne
Thank you for quality articles (and contributions) on plants such as Lambertia formosa, a wealth neatly organiszed by alphabet and splendidly illustrated, for attention also to places, people and heritage, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:28, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, you are most kind.--Melburnian (talk) 21:43, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Today, the "unusual succulent tree native to Australia", the Queensland bottle tree! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
A year ago, you were recipient no. 1109 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:08, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Today, "the floral emblem of the state of Victoria", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

what now......[edit]

Another state flower? Had half an idea to both Sequoia sempervirens and Eucalyptus regnans...or maybe another euc first....or Eucryphia lucida (which should have been tassie state flower)...Nuytsia now for next chrissie...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:51, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

All worthy candidates. I must admit that the ones that I can visit in the field during the writing process give me the most inspiration, especially in terms of ecology and I can visit Eucalyptus regnans within half an hour (though I realise this is a limiting factor in a global project) However it has the fun combination of dubious height claims, logging controversies, trees with names and George the stuffed possum...--Melburnian (talk) 12:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
E. regnans it is then....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:41, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
So much for my field visit yesterday, all I could see were friggin' big trunks. Oh well, back to my books.--Melburnian (talk) 10:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

page numbers...[edit]

do you have for the wrigley & fagg book or the rowell book...? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:38, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have picked those up earlier. I'll add them tonight when I can access them.--Melburnian (talk) 23:04, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Cool. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:56, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


Yeah, that is putting it mildly - not sure if the editor was aware of Black Saturday etc. The Forest Giants book I can't see much of on google books and am thinking of buying it or trying to get it on an interlibrary loan. Was going to rewrite the bit with Ferguson tree but need the book. This one is quite a hefty article and I can still see more stuff on google scholar to go in it. The conservation segment needs to be updated, but nothing much coming up on google not sure how/where to search. Am taking a look at some other plant articles to see if there's one nearly finished to buff quickly and send to GA/FA as that often takes time (like juggling a bit), but nothing's really jumping out at me.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:37, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes there's a huge amount of information out there. The conservation section needs a lot of work with a lot of it unreferenced. Some of the info would be better in other sections and I think that logging should be a subsection of uses. Also need to add some history of logging and conservation. The conservation section should be a lot broader, not just conservationists vs loggers. This will all require quite a bit of time. I'm happy to help you with another "quick buff" plant article in the meantime.--Melburnian (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Just looking over a few.....nothing enthuses me greatly.....Grevillea juniperina...not sure what to do about all the cultivars...aha! Telopea oreades - this should be quick. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, Telopea oreades is a good one, I saw those at Errinundra last year. Checked out the Cumberland regnans today and discovered the "Elephant Tree" that I had never even heard of.--Melburnian (talk) 06:23, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I now have this Armstrong book, which is good on details of the discovery of the waratah species and discusses them in more detail than the Flora of Australia account. Am thinking of buffing T. truncata up, and maybe T. mongaensis if I haven't gotten bored of them by that point as well. Also, I looked at G. juniperina again...I think just trying to get a bit more in ecology and maybe it'd be ok for GAN too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:23, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Let me know which of those you'd like to be the next cab off the rank and I'll join in. --Melburnian (talk) 09:58, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Will do a bit of google searching - maybe if juniperina sources come up on ecology, quickly fire that one off to GAN. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Actually Grevillea juniperina doesn't look too far off GAN, so maybe just scouring refs and material for ecology etc. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:34, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, cool.--Melburnian (talk) 12:26, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Telopea oreades[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:03, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Melaleuca wilsonii has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

Melaleuca trichophylla has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

DYK for Melaleuca trichophylla[edit]

Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Melaleuca wilsonii[edit]

Harrias talk 19:04, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


Just buffing Telopea mongaensis for GAN possibly (just seemed a shame to let it sit there like that after Gaff did the map - ditto Telopea truncata) as well as expanding Dampiera linearis for DYK....what else...anything else you're interested in expanding? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:20, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on the DYK expansions. I agree it would be good to work on the waratah articles with Gaff's maps. I'm a bit preoccupied with organising an upcoming move in June at the moment, so I don't think I'll be up for much serious editing until that's sorted.--Melburnian (talk) 12:00, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Ok take it easy and prioritise that, I got loads to look at :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:29, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Dampiera linearis has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

DYK for Dampiera linearis[edit]

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Callistemon or Melaleuca?[edit]

Hello Melburnian,

I have spent the past few months working on the melaleuca pages using Lyndley Craven's 2013 book "Melaleucas - their botany, essential oils and uses" as my main source. I started with those that have been called Melaleuca for some time. Recently I have been writing pages on those previously known as Callistemon that Craven transferred to Melaleuca. I have been chided for writing a page for a melaleuca while there was still a page on a callistemon, so have started redirecting the callistemon pages to the respective melaleuca page. Many (most? / all?) of the Callistemon pages were written by you. I have tried to repeat the information you had in the callistemon page on the melaleuca page but please let me know if you disapprove of my impertinance. I would prefer to call them Melaleuca - it would not seem right to use Craven's book as a reference for a Callistemon article but I am willing to defer to you. (Craven's book is also available online.)[1]

Gderrin (talk) 02:29, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about the tardy reply. The Australian Plant Census [4] and the World Checklist of Selected Plant Families[5] both give Callistemon viminalis (as an example) as the accepted name and treat Melaleuca viminalis as a synonym, so I would personally favour retaining the Callistemon species as a result. In hindsight, it would have been preferable for you to move the articles rather than duplicate them as this messes up their page history, but you could put in a Request for history merge to fix this if you feel inclined. Above all this though, I appreciate the great work that you have done on Australian Plant articles, and look forward to seeing more of your contributions. --Melburnian (talk) 06:47, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello Melburnian. Great to hear from you - I'm very glad you're back. Thank you for your answer. I'm in W.A. at the moment - far from home, photographing melaleucas (and typing this on a clunky computer in the Esperance local library). I will think about your answer and maybe write more when I have access to my own computer. Thanks for your comment on my work - I hope my images will make the melaleuca (etc.) pages more interesting and useful. All the best to you.

Gderrin (talk) 09:11, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Photographing melaleucas around Esperance - sounds great! Looking forward to see what you come up with. Melburnian (talk) 11:29, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello again Melburnian. Back now with images of about 100 species of melaleucas as well as Calothamnus, Eremaea, Beaufortia spp. and a Phymatocarpus. Even (totally unrelated) Calectasia cyanea! A few weeks of adding images ahead. Thanks for your encouragement (and fixing my blunder). Gderrin (talk) 22:17, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
Great stuff! Very concerning to hear about the severe bushfires in the region.--Melburnian (talk) 01:56, 19 November 2015 (UTC)


  1. ^ "Melaleucas". ACIAR. Retrieved 21 July 2015. 

I might buff this one next....[edit]

Isopogon anethifolius]....just seen some nice ones growing in the bush. Chip in if you have the time or inclination :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:34, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

OK, I'm having a look at some bits and pieces that can be added --Melburnian (talk) 01:30, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
Also, they are looking for Xmas hooks for DYK so expanding Prostanthera lasianthos....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)
I'll pop by to have a look.--Melburnian (talk) 01:41, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

That one is now buffed sufficiently (though might be worth polishing for GA one day), now trying to buff Costus chartaceus, Blandfordia punicea and/or Blandfordia cunninghamii for Xmas DYK.....any other Xmas plants? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:34, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

There's a few others linked from Christmas bush.--Melburnian (talk) 23:21, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Funny - alot more research has been done on Isopogon anemonifolius than Isopogon anethifolius], so am buffing that one now.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:21, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

Cool. I notice we now have our first Isopogon stamp--Melburnian (talk) 06:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Nice to see.....can't grow WA ones up here unless grafted. Just got a bunch of anethifolius tubestock though :))) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:59, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Great - looking forward to your uploads of magnificent flowering plants in a few years time :)--Melburnian (talk) 00:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Ok, bombs awaaaay....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:38, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Prostanthera lasianthos[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 12:03, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Isopogon anemonifolius has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

Ok - here we go....Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Isopogon anemonifolius/archive1 Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:13, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Isopogon anemonifolius[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

common names for eremophila[edit]

what do think of the idea of making the eremophila list into a dynamic table? It was just a left field idea due to the common names. or the viability of a separate list of emu and poverty common names?

just an idea, not offended if you think it is not a bright idea. cheers JarrahTree 00:45, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I think we should keep it simple and add all those with common names of "foo emu bush" in emu bush and "foo poverty bush" in poverty bush and link these set index articles under "see also" in List of Eremophila (plant) species.--Melburnian (talk) 01:06, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
thanks for your reply - (yup my intuitive guess of a sense of the kiss principle was right...) your suggestion looks good JarrahTree 09:31, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Suaeda fruticosa[edit]

Hi Melburnian, I was surprised to see your Wikipedia username here. I was trying to find out the distribution of the salt-tolerant plant Suaeda fruticosa. Does it grow in Australia, and if so, has it been introduced or is it native? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, always interesting to see where my images turn up. With the sort of thing relating to your question, I usually start with the Australian Plant Name Index. Looking at the genus of Suaeda as a whole[6], you can see which species are recorded in the Australian Plant Census (APC in red text), and then for each of these taxa the APC Dist line show all the Australian states and territories where the taxon occurs, and whether they are naturalised there. There is no entry for Suaeda fruticosa shown there, the only other possibility is that it may be shown under a synonym but AFAIK it's not.--Melburnian (talk) 23:22, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Finding out a plant's distribution often seems to be problematic, because sources tend to be parochial. The Flora of Pakistan gives it a distribution across northern Africa, the Mediterranean part of Europe and a swathe of Asia and I would happily accept that, except for the fact that the article I am expanding also placed it in other parts of Africa, North America, South America and Australia. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:06, 21 February 2016 (UTC)
WCSP (in review) says this name is a synonym of Suaeda vermiculata [7] while GRIN says it's a synonym of Suaeda vera[8][9] so there seems to be a bit of disagreement on nomenclature out there (especially as it is "extremely polymorphic"), and that would affect distribution records. I think in this case it would be best to follow the Flora of Pakistan distribution for consistency in the article, unless another definitive reference comes to light--Melburnian (talk) 06:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Parsonsia straminea has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

DYK for Parsonsia straminea[edit]

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Hello Melburnian,

I've been working through and expanding Australian orchid genera pages using mostly Hoffman & Brown's "Orchids of South-West Australia" and Pridgeon (sometimes RBGS). I want to expand the Corunastylis page but having difficulty deciding which species to include. When you started the page, you used the CSIRO list compiled by David Jones. It seems that few other authorities have accepted his changes and have left most in Genoplesium - including Kew, plantnet. I plan to move all the Corunastylis back to Genoplesium except for C. tepperi unless you have an objection. The main reason I have is that any detailed description I give for Corunastylis would have to be based on descriptions of Genoplesium given by Pridgeon and plantnet. (I don't have access to Jones's 2002 paper.) Your thoughts please? Gderrin (talk)

VicFlora [10] accepts the name, but most other authorities don't seem to as you mentioned. On balance, I tend to agree with your assessment, based on the weight of reliable sources.--Melburnian (talk) 12:01, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks mate - I'll get to it soon. Gderrin (talk)

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Caladenia lyallii/Caladenia alpina[edit]

Hello Melburnian,

Some time ago you redirected the Caladenia alpina page to Caladenia lyallii. I hope you will not mind that I have reverted that and expanded the article. I gave reasons for doing so at Talk:Caladenia_lyallii. All the best to you. Gderrin (talk) 03:16, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the note and expanding the article--Melburnian (talk) 06:39, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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