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If this page has been protected and you cannot edit it you may leave messages here. Meters (talk) 22:23, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

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Thank you!

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your user page, which took me a lot longer to get than I care to admit. Corvoe (speak to me) 19:23, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Merger of High school into Secondary school[edit]

Sorry, but the merger of High school into Secondary school, which you supported (merely based on the fact that high schools are secondary schools, like apples are fruits), seems to be particularly ill-judged. Note that I have just proposed undoing that merger, with a quite comprehensive rationale on Talk:Secondary school#Revert merger of Secondary school and High school. Feel free to join into the discussion. Regards, PanchoS (talk) 11:30, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

PanchoS It's a pity you didn't see fit to contribute your opinions during the three months the merger proposal was open, instead of attempting to undo the merger less than three hours after it was done. Calling the merger discussion "particularly ill-judged" is a slap in the face to the people who did participate. Did you bother to read the two articles? It's quite clear that this is not a case of "apples and oranges" but rather a case of "apples" and "pommes". The secondary school article is discussing education "after primary school and before higher education". Secondary school made multiple references to "high school" and High school made multiple references to secondary school or education. Meters (talk) 17:05, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
"Didn't see fit" doesn't hit the nail. For some reason I missed the discussion or possibly didn't find the time to join in – I admit I don't really remember. No doubt it would have been better if I joined in earlier. Believe me, it would have been preferable for me, too. Only when the articles were actually merged, the changes popped up in my watchlist. Now I understand this is deplorable, but while the procedure does matter, a reasonable result is what our encyclopedic work is all about.
High schools are a specific type of secondary schools. Middle schools, gymnasiums, grammar schools, lyceums, Gesamtschulen etc. are other types of secondary schools. Finally, there are secondary schools named "secondary schools". We clearly don't need another article listing all kinds of secondary schools per country, as secondary education already does. Rather we need to be more precise in working out the specifics of the different types of secondary schools, while covering as well the country-to-country differences within the respective school types. Undoing the merger doesn't solve the deficiencies of these articles, but the merger has substantially aggravated it. --PanchoS (talk) 17:29, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
Re: The secondary school article is discussing education "after primary school and before higher education".
While lacking precision, this is a basic definition of generic secondary schools. Now that you supported merging in the more specific type of high schools – what would be your argument not to merge in Middle schools, gymnasiums, grammar schools, lyceums and other specific types of a secondary school. Then again, do you believe this would improve our coverage of the topic, given that it would then be essentially redundant to secondary education which already constitutes an overview article about all kinds of secondary schools worldwide. --PanchoS (talk) 17:39, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
I'm not getting into a long discussion here. It's counterproductive to split this between the demerger discussion and individual talk pages. As I said on the demerger propoasal, "as the articles stood when merged, the merge was appropriate." There's no point in having two articles that discuss the same concept under different names. Meters (talk) 18:20, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

delta Delta Phi Zeta[edit]

Who get to say that the page is notable or not? Isn't that just opinion? Becuase in my opinion, I do think that it is notable. Thanks. Xmskab (talk) 18:36, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Notability and WP:CLUB. Your single chapter sorority does not appear to be notable. Meters (talk) 18:41, 25 March 2016 (UTC)


I think I'm starting to get the hang of this. :) Kailey 2001 (talk) 23:21, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

No problem. There are quite a few boards to keep track of. Thanks for pointing out that username. I agree that it was unacceptable. Meters (talk) 23:35, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Henry I. Miller[edit]

I am not Wiki-literate and I have no interest in editing except to end the harassment from others, as manifested in recent (and previous) edits to my entry. You may not like the terminology, but additions such as "Tobacco industry" and "Climate change" are inaccurate, intentionally misleading and defamatory. I cannot tolerate the damage to my reputation that such misrepresentations cause.

See, for example, my discussion of the tobacco industry claims at, and also in, where I explain that the primary hazard from smoking is not the nicotine but the inhalation of smoke. I refer to smoking as a "scourge" and observe that, "Tobacco is an inherently, irredeemably dangerous product." Those sentiments are exactly the opposite of what the editors of my entry are trying to convey. I have never received any compensation of any kind, direct or indirect, from the tobacco industry or tobacco companies.

Similarly, with regards to climate change, I do not work on or write about climate change. My connection to the George Marshall Institute ended at least 15 years ago, and in any case had nothing at all to do with climate change. Once again, its mention in my entry is simply harassment and an attempt to defame me.

I have no interest in promoting myself via Wikipedia. I just want an end to the harassment and distractions.

Henryimillermd (talk) 17:43, 31 March 2016 (UTC)Henry Miller

User:Henryimillermd If the article is about you, as it appears to be, and there are issues with the content, the correct thing in most cases is to discuss the issues on that talk page so that editors without conflicts of interest can make the changes. See WP:BIOSELF. Whether it is about you or not, anything which is a WP:BLP violation should immediately be removed. If there is any disagreement about this the venues to raise the concern is WP:BLPN. The article needs to be balanced and written in a neutral tone. However, some of the material you are removing is well sourced and does not appear to be an issue. The article should not misinterpret anything and if Miller (you?) has changed his position then a balanced article should say so, but you don't get to remove material simply because you don't like it. Continuing to edit the article while ignoring the attempts to discuss COI and content issues with you on your talk page and on the article's talk page is not helping. That's why I've raised the issue at COIN. I'm asking for a consensus that you are a COI editor with respect to Henry I. Miller.
I agree that some of your concerns over the material you removed are valid, but my talk page is not the place to discuss the particulars of your edits. Please take this to the article's talk page where the discussion has already started so other editors will see your concerns and participate in the discussion. Meters (talk) 18:14, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
I will copy this to the article's talk page. Meters (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2016 (UTC)

Comments by another editor with an apparent COI[edit]

Hello - forgive my Wikipedia ignorance. I don't know whether I'm supposed to reply to your comment on my Talk page there or here.

I don't have an external relationship with Henry Miller. I've met him a handful of times over the past five years. I don't have any professional or compensatory relationship with him, his organization, employer, competitor, product, etc. He once mentioned to me the inaccuracies he felt were written about him on the Wikipedia page, and I looked into the matter and found what I believed to be inaccurate statements and/or statements unsupported by citations. Cfulbright (talk) 01:46, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Did you read the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#Writing about yourself, family, friends link I pointed you to on your talk page? You don't have to have a financial or professional relationship with him or any of his organizations to have a conflict of interest. You know him personally. Thus you have a conflict of interest. Per your own edits here File:Henry Miller and dog.jpg you know him well enough to have visited him at his home, to have taken the picture of him and his dog that is now in the article, and to call his wife by her first name. As i said on your talk page "Some of your edits are clearly not corrections of serious errors or defamation, and should not be made by you. Instead you should disclose your connection to the subject and propose changes on the article's talk page so that uninvolved editors may consider them." There were definite problems with the article, and it was indeed slanted negatively and unfairly, so I'm trying to WP:assume good faith on your part, but claiming that edits such as this are COI justified as correcting inaccurate statements and/or statements unsupported by citations" does not help. I've managed to get other editors involved and the worst of the problems with the article were quickly corrected. Any remianing problems should be discussed on the talk page. Continuing to edit the article, and commenting on the talk page without disclosing your conflict of interest are a problem.
If you are editing the article because Miller complained to you about it that is a form of sock puppetry. You should read WP:SOCK, particularly WP:MTPPT. It's more than a bit suspicious that twice now you have shown up on this article at the same time Miller was being warned for his conflict of interest in editing it. Meters (talk) 04:18, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

For you[edit]

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For caring about me. <3 Kailey 2001 (talk) 19:00, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

The Longest Palindrome in the world[edit]

Thank you for your corrections and deletions. I understand your point completely.You are absolutely right that there is not at all point to collect hundreds of foreign language examples to English site. It made the whole article look like a circus. On the other hand that has nothing to do with the important fact about the longest palindromes in the world. If not in Wikipedia, then where should people search information about world's longest palindromes? Media, scientific journals or other official authorities aren't at all interested in such a marginal, crazy and unique "hobby". Now English speaking world may incorrectly claim also in the future that for example David Stepehen's palindrome is the longest in the whole world with 58 00 letters. Original referring was leading the reader to see just one of those many Finnish palindromes which often are much longer than Stephens's and includes only meaningful sentences all the way. Talking about the quality is of course impossible. But if you want to get to know more if Finnish should be mentioned also in English "palindrome-Article" or not, then please really read that removed referring to Juha Kotonen's palindrome. At this very moment Finns are also translating the longest palindrome in the world into English.

I'm not going to get into this on my talk page. My comments are already on your talk page, and if you want to discuss the usefulness of your addition the correct place to do so is on the article's talk page, so that the other editors who have undone your additions can participate. Meters (talk) 03:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Peyton Manning "former"[edit]

Hey. When a player retires, they become a "former" player, not "retired." Look at any other player (Brett Favre, Terrell Owens, Terrell Davis). If you want to lead a crusade and get the opening line changed, go for it. But I'm just following the example set by every other former player. TropicAces (talk) 18:34, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

User:TropicAcesI'm sure that I have seen an essay that no-longer active players should be listed as "retired" rather than as "former" since former has the connotation that they have died. I'm not starting a crusade... you were the one who added the comment with the all caps yelling. Meters (talk) 18:39, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Rona Ambrose Reversion[edit]

Hello Meters,

I left the content of the paragraph intact.

I edited unnecessary superfluous and redundant material. Wikipedia discourages needless wordiness, and rather encourages short and concise content. Please see Wikipedia:Too long; didn't read for more details.

I specifically removed, "Continued opposition discontent over Ambrose's conduct led the" as this sentence is unnecessary, and redundant. I removed "Had the motion passed, a vote would then have been held in the House of Commons, and, because this was deemed to be a matter of confidence, could possibly have triggered an election.". because it is completely unnecessary. It is mere superfluous speculation. Please undo your reversion. The unsourced content I removed kept all key aspects of the original content intact, and reduced unnecessary wordiness, redundancy, and superfluous detail. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd (talk) 01:41, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah, where to start?
  1. Please don't create talk threads on my user page (or anyone's). That's what the talk pages are for, and why I have moved this thread here.
  2. As I pointed out, your edit [1] was not a minor edit, and your edit summary was inaccurate since it did not leave all content intact, as you claimed. it does not matter if you think the content was redundant, or superfluous, or speculative. You cannot remove content and leave an edit summary saying that you left all content intact. Leaving that edit summary and calling it a minor edit might be seen as an attempt to hide your changes.
  3. Wikipedia:Too long; didn't read is an essay. It's not a policy (which has wide acceptance and should normally be followed), or even a guideline (which has general consensus). It's just the opinion of a number of editors, and this one is usually only used as a snarky dismissal of an overly-long talk page thread. It's not justification for your content removal.
  4. Will I remove the material for you? No. You recently came off an edit warring block for something that involved Rona Ambrose, so I'm not touching this. Please follow WP:BRD and discuss the edit on the article's talk page. If the changes are good consensus will easily be reached. I would suggest that you not attempt to use WP:TLDR in your reasoning. Meters (talk) 05:39, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you very much. I had no idea I was breaking a rule. I feel badly and want to apologize. Thanks again.Lollollolll (talk) 21:55, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Note on SPI[edit]


Just wanted to let you know that the Barnyard pecker case is almost certainly another incident of socking by LTA Sheds thus guys argh g ugh b. Their typical MO involves username violations, harassment (especially of Bongwarrior, but there are certainly others), and spamming of phony block notices. Thanks, GABHello! 20:38, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Meters (talk) 02:09, 19 April 2016 (UTC)


I think we should add August 15, known as "Ferragosto". --Sean Ago (talk) 22:16, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't know anything about that one, but you should stop removing January dates from the southern hemisphere. Meters (talk) 22:18, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I've just seen and read your edit; I didn't find a note about it in the page. --Sean Ago (talk) 22:19, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Try reading the lede. "when it is summer in the Northern Hemisphere, it is winter in the Southern Hemisphere, and vice versa." Meters (talk) 22:22, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Since you deleted my edit while I was logged out at work, I have to ask the question, how have you not lost your admin rights? Care to answer the question now? Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:13, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
I already deleted that post once. If you want to out yourself that's up to you. I'm not a mind reader so I couldn't tell the anonymous IP was you rather than one of the many other IPs who vandalize and troll my talk page. In fact, it might have been an outing violation for me to assume that IP was you. As for discussing the edits, I have already explained on your talk page here so if you want to discuss it please keep the discussion there. I'm not going to respond to any further posting by you on my talk page on this issue. Since you deleted that thread I assume you don't want to discuss it. As for my admin rights, I am not an admin. If you think there is a problem with my edits feel free to raise it at the appropriate noticeboard. Meters (talk) 17:43, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Pro-life feminism[edit]

Hello Meters,

You have recently reverted Rona Ambrose's inclusion in the Pro-life feminism article. You have not explained why. Please provide an explanation for your reversion on the talk page. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd (talk) 22:46, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I did indeed give a reason. I pointed you to the talk page discussion where inclusion of this material was questioned, and I expanded on the talk page section. You are edit warring on this again. Meters (talk) 22:52, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Hillsborough - "crowd crush" vs "human crush"[edit]


I've left a longish reply at User talk:Crystal.seed#Hillsborough - the short version is that an editor restored the term "human crush" to the article some time ago. As an editor who expressed a preference for "crowd crush" I thought you might like to be made aware of this. There are some suggestions in my reply over there. Personally, this is the limit of my involvement (although I tend to agree also) since I'm teetering on the edge of letting Wikipedia become a time sink once again (this is why I only edit as an IP these days) and am about to pull back from that edge. Good luck, if you choose to get involved. Cheers. (talk) 04:29, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Someone else put it back to "human crush" again. Consensus seems to be supporting that version. To me it seems a better term. They are not synonymous. A stampede does not necessarily result in a crush, and crushing incidents do not always start with stampedes. The article the link redirects to (Stampede) does a fairly good job of distinguishing the two. I agree with the suggestion at Talk:Stampede#Stampede_vs._crush that we're probably at the point where human crushes should be forked from stampedes. Meters (talk) 21:48, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Rona Ambrose a "Prominent feminist"?[edit]

Pls see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Rona Ambrose--Moxy (talk) 04:24, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification. Meters (talk) 16:46, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Labor Day and summer[edit]

I've a question about this. According to informations, on September 1 autumn begins: so, already the first day of month is fall season. Summer is from June 1 to August 31. It appears like a contraddiction. --Sean Ago (talk) 18:37, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

I've never edited that page as far as I know, and I see no problem with it. It says 'Labor Day is called the "unofficial end of summer"[8] because it marks the end of the cultural summer season (summer scientifically ends at the September Equinox anytime from September 21 to 24).' There's no contradiction there. It's clear the reference is not to the scientifically defined summer of the Northern hemisphere (June solstice to September equinox}. Meters (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

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Thank you very much, Sir of Ma'am. I'll save it for the next hot day. We certainly don't need usernames such as that one. Meters (talk) 19:55, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

"Sanitizing" a page[edit]

It is to bad that you saw fit to (for lack of a better word) "sanitize" our local high schools Wikipedia page. The way it was before quite literally thousands of local residents (I've got over a dozen calls just this morning) enjoyed the page and used it for reference. Now the information displayed is so generic as to be almost useless. Nothing that was removed was harmful or untrue, and was actually being used by coaches and administrators.

The edits that were present on the page prior to the deletions was much more "encyclopedic" about the high school's community than what is now presented. Hermanns 99 (talk) 18:35, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

User:Hermanns 99 Really? Thousands of local people are viewing this page and more than a dozen have phoned you about it this morning alone? Strange, given that Rio Rancho High School averages less than 25 views a day, Or didn't you know that we can see how many people actually view a given page?
I didn't sanitize it. I brought it into line with the applicable guidelines. It's not a case of the information being harmful or untrue. It simple isn't worth mentioning on Wikipedia. Again, read WP:WPSCH/AG. This in't your school's webpage. If you want to list all sorts of material that isn't of interest to general readers I suggest that you create a web page for the school where you can put whatever information up that you desire.

User:Meters So you no longer wish to discuss it but simply remove it from your talk page? If that is the case than we need to proceed to one of the conflict resolution options on Wikipedia. I will be moving this to conversation to the Dispute resolution noticeboard — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hermanns 99 (talkcontribs) 21:01, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm perfectly willing to discuss the edit, but I see no reason to leave your copies of material on my talk page, especially after I have already removed it once. If you want to discuss the material removed from the article then bring it up on the article's talk page where the other editors involved can participate. Conflict resolution is not an option until a serious effort has been made to discuss the edit. Sorry if I didn't take your hyperbole about thousands of people from the little town using the page as a serious attempt to argue that this material should be in the article. Usually junk such as that and personal attacks are not a sign of someone who wants to actually discuss the issue. If you read the links and don't agree then take it to the article's talk page. Pinging User:John from Idegon , the other editor who removed the material today. Meters (talk) 21:13, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
Continued on User talk:Hermanns 99 and Talk:Rio Rancho High School]] Meters (talk) 00:43, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Left a message in a similar vein at article talk. Let's please take it there for continuity. PS. Please consider archiving? I edit from an Android and trying to copy over my edit conflict crashed Chrome. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for the reminder and the nice explanation. Meters (talk) 01:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
User:Hermanns 99 called our edits censorship and has decided to no longer participate in Wikipedia. Unfortunate that he wasn't interested in contributing content that could be used. Meters (talk) 01:14, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Have you by chance looked thru his contributions for the "2 or 3 other school articles he maintained", or was that just more hyperbole? John from Idegon (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

User:John from IdegonI don't know about "maintaining" but he did some work on Montezuma-Cortez High School one day two years ago. I have not checked them all but many of them were useful small tweaks. Nothing was sourced and there is a bit of puffery. He was probably also editing as an IP as some of the IP's tables look very much like the problematic ones we just dealt with. The individual athletic results should go, and the Music sections needs some trimming, sources and clarification on some undated claims. Meters (talk) 03:22, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm not done with Rio yet, but I'll add the other to my to do list. I actually noticed Rio about a month ago but it obviously needed so much work I was trying to wait til I could go at it on a pc. Androids are great for most stuff but when you need to use multiple Windows, they suck. Thanks for your help. John from Idegon (talk) 04:21, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm updating the athletics section league divisions but i think I'm going to eliminate most of it. It doesn't make sense to list the divisions for just a few of the many teams they have, and the divisions are all over the place, changing with boys' teams/girls teams and each sport. Meters (talk) 04:26, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
Not really sure what you mean by divisions. Indiana, Illinois, and Michigan have enrollment based classification designated by letters. However, the actual enrollment basis for each class changes nearly every year and in some cases the names of the different size levels have changed numerous times over the decades. Also there is no naming convention state to state. An A school in one state may be the same size as a 6A school in another. It is so confusing as to be meaningless. If you take a look in my sandbox I have a format that I made for Indiana schools that works well for any state that has conferences. Some apparently including New Mexico do not. Keep up your great work Meters. You are an awesome asset to the school's project and to Wikipedia as a whole. If you ever feel masochistic enough to stand for RfA, I would wholly support you. John from Idegon (talk) 05:09, 13 May 2016 (UTC)
That's what I concluded. The athletic divisions for different team sports vary from 5A to 3A (sometimes not even the same for boys' and girls' teams in the same sport) so it's not worth making a big deal of what division a few of the teams are in. Your sandbox looks good so I'll model the coverage after that.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. Much appreciated. Meters (talk) 18:27, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Usernames for attention[edit]

I fixed two of your reports. It looks like you misspelled each of the user names. 1 2. Brianga (talk) 17:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Whoops. Thank you. Meters (talk) 17:15, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Disappearing Palestine[edit]

Hi Mr/Ms Meters, No no, you have it back to front - if you have a look at my edits, and those of others, you will see that I have included Palestine, then others have removed it, without comment or explanation. I don't understand why someone else - not me! - has been doing this. Hurunui99 (talk) 02:34, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

I did look at the edits. That's why I asked you what you were doing. You deleted the 2016 data for Palestine here and then you did it again here and complained that people were vandalizing the article by removing the Palestine data. As I said on your talk page, look at what you are doing, or stop messing around. Meters (talk) 04:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For getting rid of the vandalism on my userpage Flow234 (talk) 21:54, 25 May 2016 (UTC)

Canadian law? (thread on Richardson family murders moved from my user page)[edit]

I was under the impression that Wikipedia is immune from a government's law, especially from one that takes orders from a country 3,000 miles east. Plus we already know her name. It's not like Canada's gonna sue Wikipedia for a spoiler alert on something that's already been spoiled.StjJackson (talk) 23:02, 25 May 2016 (UTC) (thread moved from user page by Meters)

  1. I've moved this from my user page. Please leave any posts for other users on their talk pages, not their user pages.
  2. It's also a good idea to link to the article in question.
  3. As for the crack about taking orders from England... the US lost the War of 1812. Get over it.
Yes, many of us know her name, and no, Canada is not going to sue Wikipedia, and it seems unlikely that a Canadian editor would be prosecuted for making such an edit, although they probably could be. The point is that as a youth offender her name was (and remains) protected under Canadian law, and Wikipedia generally follows such restrictions. Sorry, I can't find the link for that. WRT this particular article, as I already said on your talk page "Wikipedia is not including it under an OTRS ticket. It has been repeatedly RevDel'ed from the article." You are not allowed to just reinsert something that has been removed under WP:OTRS. If you want to contest the OTRS removal then follow the instructions on the linked page. There is strong consensus that this material will not be included on this page, and even that the material will not even be left in the edit history. Did you even look at the extensive discussion of this issue on the article's talk page? Meters (talk)

I'm an American editor, and many people have used the girl's name. I believe that a juvenile's name has to protected under Canadian law too. I think we should protect the page so no editor can plaster the girl's name, but we should reconsider it by reading the Protection Policy at Therefore, I deeply regret editing the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kevinmuniz115 (talkcontribs) 18:37, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Traveled vs travelled[edit]

does my edit count as vandalism? i did not mean it to — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmkkmmkmmmmm (talkcontribs) 16:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Added a header for what I assume is the edit you mean [2]. Don't worry about it. It was not vandalism. I undid it as a good faith change of spelling in an article on an American topic from the American standard spelling to a different variant of English. The notice on your talk page was just an explanation of why we don't change spelling variants that way. Meters (talk) 20:04, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
User:Mmkkmmkmmmmm I forgot to say that you are free to remove the message from your talk page, since you seem to be worried, but no-one is going to pay attention to it. You made a small, very understandable mistake, and I pointed out why we don't do that. Unless someone makes a habit of doing this it's just info for the user. Meters (talk) 21:42, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Bob Ogden[edit]

He's really not minor I like lolz (talk) 04:08, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

As I said in my edit summary "minor fictional character who does not even warrant his own article". If the character does not warrant an article then he does not warrant an entry in the DAB page. Even if he did need a DAB entry it would go in the fictional characters section of Ogden (name) rather than in Ogden. You've been undone by two different editors now. Leave it alone or take it to the talk page if you must. Meters (talk) 15:45, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

James William Webb-Jones [edit]

I am in the process of finding links for all the information on the 'Webbjones' page. Please stop deleting information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webbjones (talkcontribs) 03:46, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

It's not just the fact that it is unsourced. Much of it is trivia that we simply don't need in the article. We don't need to know who his non-notable cousin was, for excample. Thsi material has been removed by more than one editor, and you have been warned for edit warring. Continuing to reinsert this material without attempting to discuss it on the article's talk page may lead to a block. Meters (talk) 03:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
This information is being provided in response to requests from British Columbia, inc. from other members of the family, into the family of Richard Moody, for whom there has existed a page for years. Links are being found. Stop deleting information re. topic of which you are ignorant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webbjones (talkcontribs) 04:06, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. It does not belong in the article. You are edit warring to add unsourced material that does not belong in the article in the first place.
Please learn to indent and sign your posts.Meters (talk) 04:09, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
It does belong in the article, because the article is being edited to satisfy the wishes of the family of Richard Moody. The sources are being collected. Do not delete it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Webbjones (talkcontribs) 04:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
What the family wants to see in the article is not what determines the content. I suggest that you create a web page for the family, where you can include whatever you wish, without having to be concerned with providing reliable sources or any of Wikipedia's other policies. Meters (talk) 04:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


I'd invite your comment on this, since you edited {{Metrolinx}}. Thanks. --Natural RX 13:16, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

answered on article talk page. No opinion on the material, I was just reverting a vandal and self-admitted sock. Meters (talk) 18:39, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Vestavia Hills High School[edit]

Should be on article's talk page, not here

Hi Meters,

Since you have made previous contributions to the Vestavia Hills High School entry, could you please review the last two reverts of my edits by John from Idegon on the page? I have asked him to explain the reversions on his Talk page, but he has ignored the substance of my questions. On the Talk:Vestavia Hills High School page, other users have been instructed to make direct changes to the entry, as long as additions are cited and substantiated. Apparently I am not allowed to do so. He keeps reverting even the smallest of my edits, stating that I must obtain permission from a consensus on the Talk page for every edit.

For some (if not most) of the edits in question, the improvement is self-evident (for example, Birmingham currently remains misspelled in the mascot controversy section). For others I have cited conformity with comparable content on other school pages, or provided full citations as in the following two examples:

The school received the national Blue Ribbon School of Excellence from the United States Department of Education in both 1990-91 and 2009.[1] Based on data from 2013-14, the school was recognized as a Silver Medal high school by U.S. News & World Report.[2]
The creation of an independent school system in 1970 was a landmark event in the city. Since the early 1990s, the quality of the schools has been treasured and supported by local businesses as the city's greatest asset.[3]

No editor should be allowed to treat anyone as a second-class citizen, nor to enforce double standards on the content of comparable school pages, or minimal requirements for contributions to be accepted. Every direct edit can and should be evaluated on its merits. I believe John from Idegon's behavior is a harmful representation of Wikipedia's culture and community, and I don't know how many pages he is doing this on. I would like to avoid a reversion war. I would like to correct a few outright errors in grammar and spelling on the page. I would also like to correct suboptimal writing and composition on the page, though that ventures into the realm of opinion. I would certainly like to add fully cited information to the page without fear of reversion. So I would very much appreciate if you could take a look, because he will not justify his actions. Thank you in advance for your time. Doppelstern (talk) 12:40, 11 July 2016 (UTC)


  1. ^ "National Blue Ribbon Schools Program: Schools recognized 1982 through 2015" (pdf). United States Department of Education. September 30, 2015. p. 3. Retrieved February 9, 2016. 
  2. ^ "Vestavia Hills High School, Silver Medal High School". U.S. News & World Report. Retrieved July 9, 2016. 
  3. ^ Williams, Emily (December 15, 2015). "Taste Equation: Vestavia Hills Rotary’s Annual Cooking Competition Supports Academic Teams". Over the Mountain Journal. Retrieved July 9, 2016. 
Content disputes are handled at the article talk page. What was your previous username? John from Idegon (talk) 16:55, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
User:Doppelstern I agree with User:John from Idegon. This should be discussed on the article's talk page where any other interested editors can see it and participate if they desire. It does not belong on John's page, and certainly not on uninvolved third parties' talk pages. John from Idegon has told you that, User:Ohnoitsjamie has told you that, and now I'm giving you the same advice. I have not looked at the edits yet, but I will be happy to discuss any issues that are raised on the article's talk page. Note that John from Idegon is a very experienced school article editor and your characterization of him is verging on a personal attack. Please read WP:AGF and WP:NPA.
As i said, I have not looked at the edits yet, but certainly the Over the Mountain Journal Rotary Club source above does not even come close to justifying the statement "The creation of an independent school system in 1970 was a landmark event in the city. Since the early 1990s, the quality of the schools has been treasured and supported by local businesses as the city's greatest asset." Meters (talk) 22:38, 11 July 2016 (UTC)
User:Meters Please, please, please look at the edits. Regarding this particular citation, the "city's greatest asset" text before the citation comes from the Wikipedia entry's archived edit history. The supporting article starts off with, "For 25 years, the Vestavia Hills Rotary Club has been supporting the math and debate teams – as well as the Interact Club – at Vestavia Hills’ middle and high schools with an annual fundraiser."
The amount of funding provided to each team is $40,000 - $50,000 per year. This is not a commonly known or published figure; I know because I captained the math team and travelled extensively with both teams to annual competitions around the country. I haven't looked hard yet, but I would very much doubt that figure is publicly disclosed anywhere. People don't talk about money like that in Alabama. (For comparison, Stuyvesant HS has about $80,000 in cash on hand for this year.) I can substantiate the fact that each individual ticket to the annual fundraising event cost $55 as of 2012[1], and ticket proceeds are also supplemented by a silent auction and corporate donations. People only live in Vestavia Hills city limits because of the schools. There's nothing else there, besides manicured lawns and sky high property taxes (which again go towards the schools). In consequence, the residents of the city take great pride in those schools.
Doppelstern (talk) 10:32, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
What part of "take it to the article's talk page" do you not understand? I said I would look at any issues that are raised there. It is not appropriate to raise these issues on an uninvolved editor's talk page. Meters (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for helping me how to move a page I'm so thankful 💕💕💕 brb after 4 days ✌🏻️✌🏻:) Itsjk (talk) 00:23, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

I didn't help you. You were edit warring to make a cut and paste move. If you don't know how to do it either ask or leave it alone. Meters (talk) 00:24, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
It was not a cut and paste move, it was a page split. Random86 (talk) 00:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
It was done via a cut and paste with nothing to show where the edit history was. Meters (talk) 00:35, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
I know, and I corrected that. But, that is not called a cut-and-paste move and the message you left didn't apply to this situation. Random86 (talk) 00:41, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
User:Random86 Ah yes, I see. That is a much better template. Thanks. Meters (talk) 00:42, 25 July 2016 (UTC)