User talk:Mets501/Archive 12

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Templates for deletion

Sure. The templates to be untranscluded are Template:20 Largest Airlines by Fleet Size as of December 20, 2006, and Template:Month disambig. The noms are found on the main TfD page under the December 20th and 18th subsectyions, respectively. You can close the noms if you want, or let me do it once the templates are orphaned, your call. Either way, thanks a lot for the help. Best Reagrds, RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 01:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks! RyanGerbil10(Упражнение В!) 02:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Page move request Ohio State University -> The Ohio State University

Good afternoon, after a week of discussion on the talk page, there is a consensus that the page should be moved. No opposing comments were submitted. Thank you. --Analogue Kid 17:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Category:Unassessed-importance Architecture articles

Just the first results page with items under the number headings - "1" through "9". And then, only the items which contain the "xxxx architecture" text, for example, Category talk:1230s architecture, Category talk:3rd century BC architecture or Talk: 1984 architecture. etc. etc. Thanks for your help & Happy New Year! --dogears (talk) 19:07, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see. Getting to it now. —Mets501 (talk) 21:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
That was fast! Thanks. I also noticed that the {{architecture}} tag can be completely removed from all Image talk: pages, in any and all of the importance categories (FA, A, GA, B, Stub, unassessed and NA) Refer to: Category:Architecture articles by importance. Thanks again. —Dogears 23:46, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure about that one. That would require deleting the page (becuase they'd be empty) and it's just not that bad if the tag is there with class=NA. —Mets501 (talk) 00:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, great. Go for it, please, to replace the tag in any Image talk: or Category talk: pages – that already have the {{architecture}} tag (appearing in any of the Category:Architecture articles by importance) – with a "double NA" tag. (importance=NA|class=NA) Thank you —dogears (talk) 00:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Many thanks for a task well done! --19:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi, i'm looking the sortable wikitable.css , I saw that you had edits up that css skin, and was wondering if you could help me find it. Just H 05:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

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Ohio State University move

I understand that you simply responded to Analogue Kid's request for the move, but the issue was not nearly resolved and the failure to get discussion in the week between Christmas and New Years is unsurprising. The fact that it had been discussed several times before and there was no consensus would lead me to think it should stay. What do I do to open a discussion to return it to its long-time name? Rkevins82 18:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Bot question

Would it be permissible to try and tweak the delay in AWB (perhaps to nine seconds) to try and bring the edit count up to six edits per minute? I currently have it set at ten seconds and it hovers around four edits per minute, reaching a max of five extremely rarely. Kyra~(talk) 03:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Typically, edit rate of 6 edits/minute is for bots only. MaxSem 10:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Yes, he's talking about his bot, VixDaemon. (See the section heading :-)) —Mets501 (talk) 11:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Mets. Do you remember our previous discussion concerning the {{talkheader}} template here? Well, guess what? It took me a lot of work but I did it. I browsed back through my contributions and tracked those pages and tagged them with {{speedy}} template and they were deleted. They were about 600 edits which means that I have 1200 deleted edits (the old 600 and new 600 which are tagging). Now, I think that I corrected my mistake. I really didn't intend to do any harm. I became very familiar with Wikipedia policies. I started to contribute (nominating and voting) in Afds, Mfd, etc. I even participated in creation of the newly formed WikiProject Egypt in addition to participating in WikiProject Physics. I now fight vandalism using VandalProof and sometimes clean up articles using AWB. So, I guess that I am a better user now. However, I just wanted to let you know that the pages were deleted. Cheers.

--Meno25 11:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi - I'll be happy to send you some code - the main pile of code for MartinBotII is a mess - I'm porting it off into seperate sub projects now (all the tasks were in one file, then I realised how bad it really was). I've got the peer review task in a seperate project (and it works), so I'll tidy it up and send it you. If I have one issue with the framework - it's the number of page loads it makes - it logs in before every page fetch, and uses special:Export a lot, which leaves it very prone to Wikipedia errors (502 bad gateway is a frequent one now), so I've started to make my own framework just a class right now for the simpler stuff (page loading, saving, getting categories and finding the creator of a page), which uses Httprequests with shared cookies, so you don't need to log in every time (and uses query api to get page data, rather than special:Export). Anyway, you'll find out what I mean if you try to use it a lot :). I'll send you an email when I upload it to a server. Thanks, Martinp23 23:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

OK - glad to help :) I've just sent the email right now. Martinp23 00:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

PNG crusade bot approval

Thanks for approving this bot, and thanks again for your support of it! ---Remember the dot 02:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)


Hi, Mets. Could you check latest version of IRCM for reverts. I experience constant blanking, and I need to know if this bug is related to IRCM, or there is a trouble with my IE. Thanks. MaxSem 10:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

How can I...

How can I create a "bot" account. Do I need to ask an administrator? Thanks Crazy Canadian 16:56, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks Crazy Canadian 17:01, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for trying to help me. I'll propose a new bot hopefully in a few weeks, see if I am worthy then. Thanks for letting me try though. Crazy Canadian 0:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, even if those are from a few months ago, I still did have problems in the past. But I am hoping though a few more weeks and the bot can be reproposed. Crazy Canadian 0:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandal warnings

Thanks for the help on doing vandal warnings. I'm still getting the hang of this :) Dragomiloff 00:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Cydebot

I'd just like to let you know that the response I gave here was false (and it's been gnawing on my conscience ever since). The truth was that Cydebot was very insecure, with some possible remote code exploits, so I didn't want to open source the code for that reason. Of course, security through obscurity isn't a good solution, so I'm going through a security audit right now and hopefully once everything clears it will be suitable to share. --Cyde Weys 19:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)


Please ask your bot not to mess with my userpage. L.J.SkinnerWOT?|CONTRIBS 04:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I was joking dude! Sorry, I'm aware my sense of humour isn't the best! L.J.SkinnerWOT?|CONTRIBS 13:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Fully protected userbox question

I have stumbled upon a fully protected userbox that has no more incoming transclusions, and therefore would qualify for a G6 speedy deletion. However, I cannot add the {{db-g6}} tag, nor can I follow the procedures for deleting it under the WP:TfD instructions. Any advice on this matter would be appreciated. And keep up the good work with MetsBot. Have a grand day. Kyra~(talk) 06:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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FSN New York / Fox Sports Net New York

I disagree that there was a clear consensus to close the proposed move. The only people who voted were the only three people who have made an edit to the article. It should have been relisted and not closed. Milchama 12:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


I assume you believe that this edit was vandalism because you used rollback to revert it. Just for your information, "cosec" exists as a variant widely used in the UK, so the edit was probably in good faith; if you Google for "cosec x" you'll see a lot of British web sites. But obviously you were right to revert, as \cosec doesn't seem to be supported by the software. Regards, Sześćsetsześćdziesiątsześć 21:27, 9 January 2007 (UTC) P.S. Actually the IP address is in India. Probably the Commonwealth countries follow British usage. Interesting. Sześćsetsześćdziesiątsześć 21:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Re my username, it's actually Polish for 666, but it's just for fun and certainly isn't meant to represent anything creepy. Actually it's a second account because I intend to use it largely for recent changes patrolling, and I don't want to get stalked on my other account if some vandal gets mad at me for reverting. But my "main" account has a pretty low edit count, so I'm probably not someone you'll have come across -- sorry I can't say which it is. Sześćsetsześćdziesiątsześć 21:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

User Page Revision Error (User Box Migration)

You added a user box to my page that says "This user is a high school student". I am 38years old, and not a high school student. I realize you were trying to do something beneficial, but perhaps you should put proposed edits on a user's talk page instead of editing their user page. Jerry lavoie 04:55, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jerry. My bot actually did not add any userboxes to your page, it simply bypassed a userbox redirect. Your userpage already had a {{user hs}} userbox. —Mets501 (talk) 12:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I see what you mean. Thanks. Jerry lavoie 16:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Good job! redesigning Image:Stop hand.svg. I really like the new version. Keep up the good work! If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 04:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Stop icon on MediaWiki:Blockedtext

I disagree with your revert of the icon at MediaWiki:Blockedtext. A better looking icon is no less to-the-point, and just because we want to be blunt, we don't need to look like our graphics were created in the 80s. I don't see how an updated style means it looks "happier." Secondly, what is wrong with discussing it? -- Renesis (talk) 18:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't get it

this edit of your bot: While I perfectly understand the migration of UB, I didn't understand of the addition of Ragnarok online. --Vlad|-> 18:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer explaining the issue... and for squashing the bug! :D Keep up the good work and have a nice weekend (what it's left of it! :D) --Vlad|-> 13:07, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


Dear Mets501, You are not right about User:A4bot. Here you wtore that the username A4Bot is inappropriate, but it is not true. Here this bot was approved for operations. As you can see the name A4bot was quite acceptible for my bot. Please don't disturb me with incorrect remarks ever more. Thank you for understanding, regards --A4 13:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

MetsBot: Erroneous userbox change

Your bot recently edited my userpage in order to migrate a certain userbox as per Userbox Migration. However, it replaced the userbox in question with a completely different and irrelevant userbox: instead of Template:user its (which deals with the homophones its/it's), I now had User:Scepia:iTS (iTunes store). I assume the problem lies in your bot's case insensitivity, despite Wikipedia's page titles being case-sensitive.

I would appreciate if you could correct this. Thank you, Laogeodritt [ Talk | Contribs ] 16:07, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


Chronic spamming certainly wsa a reason for speedy deletion at one point. If this has been changed, all the poor for Wikipedia in general. DreamGuy 16:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, spamming is a criteria for speedy deletion. But deleting a template which has been around for months and is used in hundreds of articles being deleted without discussion and leaving redlinks everywhere is abuse of that criteria. —Mets501 (talk) 16:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Used in hundreds of articles only goes to prove the point. But then it takes a long line of dedicated people jumping through hoops to undo every single dedicated spammer. Spam used to be limited to the External links sections, now it's in templates and all over the body of all sorts of articles. Too bad nobody wants to do anything about it. This site will be completely useless from red tape strangulation within a year or two at this rate. DreamGuy 17:09, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Pi Gamma Mu

I need your help (again). I have difficulty in closing the gaps for the contact information for the Pi Gamma Mu honor society. If you go to the External Links section, this is how it looks:

International headquarters may be contacted for more information:

PI GAMMA MU International Honor Society

1001 Millington St.

Winfield, Kansas 67156

Telephone: (620) 221-3128; Fax: (620) 221-7124; Email:

Could you reformat to look exactly this way:

International headquarters may be contacted for more information:

PI GAMMA MU International Honor Society 1001 Millington St.

Winfield, Kansas 67156

Telephone: (620) 221-3128

Fax: (620) 221-7124


Many, many thanks for your help.

Profdrmendoza 18:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


Sorry; you're right that I should have been more specific in my speedy reason. I had just created the template and moved it as I found its naming was out of whack, and thus the redirect was used nowhere and was completely useless. Thanks for the note, I've gone back and added a more specific reason. Kellen T 22:35, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Pi Gamma Mu

I need your help (again). Could you kindly correct the formatting of the address of our honor society, as shown in the External Links section, so that there are no spaces in between the lines. The way it shows up right now requires formatting that we are unfamiliar with:

PI GAMMA MU International Honor Society

1001 Millington St.

Winfield, Kansas 67156

Telephone: (620) 221-3128;

Fax: (620) 221-7124;


Please delete spaces in between but keep the above on separate lines as shown. Many thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Profdrmendoza (talkcontribs) 23:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC).

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Double redirect

Can you bot click on Special:Randomredirect, and then what links here to see if there are any redirects to that page? --Parker007 21:09, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Special:Wanted pages

I'm not sure if you turned this off or not... you're in the history of the page...

Do you know what's going on here? I know that there seemed to be a problem with templates making the numbers wrong. Seems to me the simple solution is to only incude links from article space - even if the link is from a template in article space it probably reflects real need for the article, rather than project bloating figures through templates in talk-space (which aren't so regulated).Garrie 23:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Fair 'nuff then. I guess the developers are looking at it's broken features. Hopefully these broken features will be unbroken and the page will be turned back on... Would be nice if said developers put comments on talk pages when they do such things!Garrie 00:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

ATSlog page deleted :(((((


I am an author of the ATSLog software. ATSLog is open source non-commercial (GNU) software for the PBX calls logging. I am sure that it is interesting for the *NIX community because there are no free analog of such tool. To tell about atslog i created page on the Wiki. But today i found that you delete this page. Also, deletion comment is very strange "(Blatant advertising)". I think that this is not blatant adverting. My arguments are:

1. There are many articles like my, e.g. . I used them as template for my page. I see no reason why such pages still exists and my page - not.

2. This page has no any adverting information - only feature description and web site location.

3. This tool is 100% free (GPL) free-time project. I have no even any banners or donations on my site. I did this software as my hobbie. And i know that many users use this tool. And i don`t know any other freeware solutions for this task.I hosted on a free developers portal

Thats very strange for me that this page was deleted, even without detail explanation of the reasons. I can change web page to meet wikipedia standarts, but i don`t know what i need to do. I`ll be very glad if you could explain me deletion reasons and steps to recreate article. My email is

With best regards, Alex Samorukov

P.S. Sorry for my English, thats not my native language. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wikisamm (talkcontribs) 14:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

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Userpage design - a request

Hi Mets! Haven't seen you around my watchlist for a while, but I've seen your bot :p

I have a bit of a problem with a couple of pages in my userspace and I was hoping that you might be able to help me with them - I'm many things, but I'm not a good coder! I'm reasonably partial to the layout of my main userpage, though it's flaws are obvious. The major thing though is that the whole thing collapses into a bit of a mess at lower page widths. The same is equally true of my userbox archive page - at lower page widths, the wiki tables collapse and the text in them becomes unreadable. I'd be happy to accept a full re-design if you feel like it - I'd be very greatful. However, if you could just help me out with the width issues I would appreciate it equally. No problems if you don't have the time or inclination of course. Kind regards, Crimsone 05:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

User:A4bot and ru-sib interwiki links

Hi, could you please give your input to a question I posed at WP:ANI#War of the Bots, regarding A4bot and links to the "Siberian" wiki? Thanks, Fut.Perf. 23:13, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Can your Bot

go through these ones :) --Parker007 17:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Polar coordinates

I'm indifferent between "formulas" and "formulae"; the general usage trend is toward English forms of plurals, but I see that formula lists the Latin plural first. Maybe Wikiproject:Mathematics had a guideline on this; if they do, you can follow it; if not, as the principal author, make your choice.

E-mail me if you need help putting your hands on the American Mathematical Monthly article or any other references. Regards, Newyorkbrad 22:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Not sure if it's worth it given the FAC comments, but a quick Google search on "robotics 'polar coordinates'" does turn up some hits (not counting the obvious WP forks) if you want to take a look at them. Newyorkbrad 00:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


Just wanted to understand your rationale in deleting this image, especially considering the relevant discussion. --InShaneee 03:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries. :) I figured that either you had seen the earlier listing, or I was missing something; either way, no big deal. --InShaneee 06:18, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Argan bargain

I see that you removed the speedy tag from this page, so I'll ask you reconsider. I added a link to argan on the page and it seems to me that, given what argan means, the definition is suspect. It's an African plant and therefore the explanation of the source of the phrase makes very little sense. It's your call, but I think the whole thing is an invention. Paul 03:59, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Generally "suspected hoax" calls for an AfD not a speedy, because in the past a few things someone suspected as a hoax have turned out to be genuine. This one appears to be pretty dubious, though, and the fact that the user who contributed the article has this as his or her only contribution to Wikipedia is never a good sign. To the extent there is any truth to the article's assertion that "argan bargain" is used in comedy shows, it may be a variant of the British "argie-bargie" meaning a fight or argument, a term probably best known to Americans as the title of the Argybargy album by Squeeze. Newyorkbrad 19:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
    • yes, it could just be a mis-hearing of "argle-bargle" - and it still doesn't belong here. Paul 19:51, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I am pretty sure the person that is currently tagging radio stations for speedy deletion, is the same person I was dealing with earlier under IP I have many of the stations on watch and will keep an eye on them. Thanks for your help :o)

Rock on....SVRTVDude 18:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Heya....I didn't mean to give a Test3....normally I go with 2:) I wanted to try VandalProof, but I don't have enough edits yet....after today I should :o)
Rock on....SVRTVDude 18:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I hadn't been paying attention to my mainspace edits:) I just reapplied...hopefully that will help, so I can help out when another "vandalism wave" comes through.
Rock on....SVRTVDude 19:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning, as well as for your extremely kind comments accompanying your !vote. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. You know how grateful I am for some of the help you've provided over the past few months. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 19:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Userbox Migration

I thank you for fixing some userboxes on user pages, but I do ask that you be careful as to what you change them to - the Mac OS X userbox I had on my page does not equate to card games, last time I checked. --Souperman 20:30, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


Good evening; I am currently operating my personal Wiki and, in an attempt to install a few things including Oversight, have discovered that I can't edit LocalSettings.php; do you have any suggestions? Regards, Anthony cfc 23:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Still unsure...

Right so I want to make myself a siteadmin, developer and steward. I have the text:

INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES ('AGK', 'siteadmin'); INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES ('1', 'developer'); INSERT INTO user_groups (ug_user, ug_group) VALUES ('1', 'steward');

as a notepad file; i'm using filezilla and uploading to but it keeps timing out waiting for the welcome message. any suggestions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anthony cfc (talkcontribs) 00:18, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

Deleted Article: AGHOST (acronym)

Hello Mets501, I see you deleted the article AGHOST. I actually disagree with this assumption and would like you to reconsider. What portion exactly did you consider advertising? I'm really curious, even for my own knowledge. That's actually not at all what I intended when I wrote the article. It was my first article, so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks. Obsid 05:53, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Convergence threading

Hello: My name is Ayla Anderson, a post grad student studying terrorism. My work involves collecting and researching methods used in the business world and determining their effectiveness in counterterrorism. Business methods such as process flow, environmental mapping, anticipatory thinking, scenario and also convergence. It is my recent entry to Wikipedia titled Convergence threading that was, prior to completion, deleted. I was wondering two things: 1. the content posted, is it available so you can email it to me?; 2. in explaining what CT is, I felt compelled to note the originating author or company responsible for its creation.

I understand that at first view it would appear to be a blatant advertisement; however this was not my intention whatsoever. Rather I had yet to finish the entry and needed to run out for a meeting at school. When I came back to work on it, it was gone.

I would like to complete the working entry in near totality and forward it to you prior to entering it. I will of course rewrite it to ensure it doesn’t appear to be an ad, instead a compellation of tools and techniques used in developing counterterrorist strategies. Please email the contents of the upload (if possible) to me at cielnet@netzero,com. I failed to save the draft I had and was actually working live, which was my fault and misstep. Such a rather stupid act will not be repeated.

We believe (my team) that creating such a database of terminology of techniques and tools is very useful to other people studying terrorism as well as the government agencies focused on counter and anti terrorism. G2 is one of many to be noted as originators. I hope you will change your mind and let me try again to do a better job.


Ms. Ayla Anderson



I am wondering why my proof keeps getting deleted on the article about .999.... You say it is repetitive and does not belong. Could you please tell me how this is so? Could you post your answer here? Thank you.

Your proof was very similar to the one at 0.999...#Algebraic proof. It's a good proof, but it's redundant for the article. —Mets501 (talk) 03:21, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I do not see how the two are alike, mine uses the fact that two equal numbers with the same equation applied to them have the same result. His uses one particular equation to show .999...=1 The only similarity I see is the variables.

Fundamentally, your proof is very similar, although it is executed differently. The main problem with your proof, however, is that it pre-assumes that 0.999... =1 to prove that 0.999... =1, which is circular reasoning. —Mets501 (talk) 03:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

However if I had assumed that 3=1 then it would have come out with different answers. In my proof I did not have to state that only use the to numbers.

That logic is flawed; I will give an example. Suppose I'm proving that 1+1=2:
Can you see now why the logic is flawed? Sure, if I had assumed 1+1=3 I would have gotten a different answer, but the above does not constitute a good proof. —Mets501 (talk) 03:56, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

If I had not pre-assumed anything just chosen different numbers how would it be flawed? I see your point, but it stating .999 and 1 given the same equation produce the same thing I do not need to assume anything.

Why don't you try asking your question at Talk:0.999...? I'm sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining it further :-/. Sorry. —Mets501 (talk) 04:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Substituting templates

I see that you used AWB to change many articles, to replace all instances of {{fc|Mytown}} with [[Mytown F.C.|Mytown]]. Why is this? The {{fc|Mytown}} technique is very neat and saves a lot of typing, so presumably there must be a good reason not to use it? --Concrete Cowboy 13:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

So do I understand correctly that it is not at all deprecated, but that a housekeeping robot will trawl around regularly, replacing the template format with the long format? So I can continue using it and your robot will be around eventually to clean up after me? --Concrete Cowboy 17:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, like any other subst. Tried it. It works. Thanks for help. --Concrete Cowboy 22:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Two questions

First, about the XfD process. It it worthwhile to chime in and weigh the validity of the nominator's claim based on Wikipedia policy to determine if the article(s) up for deletion should be deleted if there are already a good number of editors leaning one way or the other? I mean, some of the articles in question I could read over and either agree or disagree with, but I am hesitant in some of the older nominations to add due to the length even though the wording would be original, the core reason to delete might be the same (ie, 10 editors citing a specific policy/guideline that it fails, WEB for example, and then adding another that says essentially the same thing).

Second, regarding WP:N. More often than not I can tell if a subject is lacking notability, and I try to distance myself to not let my own ideas influence the decision (same thing I do on all of Wikipedia). However, according to the core notability guideline, a topic is notable if it is the subject of multiple, non-trivial, independent, reliable published works. To use an example, I weighed in on an AfD on Ergophobia, and was not able to find multiple and/or non-trivial sources with which to verify the notability. Another editor said (copying here for simplicity):

Notable here means WP:N "worthy of being noted" or "attracting notice". It is not synonymous with "fame" or "importance". Therfore it is immaterial if it is on google or not.

And I am not trying to dispute that. However, according to WP:N it needs to have sources, and since I could not find any, I !voted to revert it to a redirect. The question is, do I have a decent grasp of WP:N, or is my understanding somewhat skewed? I wish you a great day, and happy editing. Kyra~(talk) 22:33, 23 January 2007 (UTC)