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Need some who reads Arabic![edit]

We have an editor, Ecoboy90, who is I'm sure in good faith creating a number of new articles, most of them using this as a source. I think the source itself is ok, but the spellings being used are confusing. See Talk:Karab El Watar. Another possible example is Wahab El Yahiz - I'm guessing that there's a common English spelling that I can't locate - I can't find anyone meeting the details in his article. There's been some OR problems also, and unfortunately we don't seem to be on very good terms. Can you help? thanks. Doug Weller talk 18:32, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: sure, I'm glad to help. I see a number of issues with how these articles were written - the spelling is the obvious one. Ignoring the fact that it's not the common English spelling (which should be enough to end the discussion right there), it's simply wrong in it's current state; this is the case for both articles.
Second, that source being used is to a PDF file containing absolutely no information about the book itself. All that reads is the title - "Al-Mufassal: the History of the Arabs Before Islam" - and the author's name, Dr. Jawad Ali. Oh, and that it's the first volume. There's literally nothing else; no publisher, no date, no ISBN number, no city of publication, nothing. It's just a PDF floating on the net with no attestation to reliability.
Third, the site that hosts the PDF is some private one in Jersey called the Arab Cultural Trust. Their about us page has a version in English that doesn't seem to include an editorial policy or anything. A bit suspect.
Fourth, the Arabic articles for both of the above already mention more verifiable sources for the readers of English Wikipedia: Sabaean inscriptions from Maḥram Bilqîs by Albert Jamme for Wahab'il Yahiz, and Die Personennamen in den altsabaischen Inschriften: Ein Beitrag zur altsudarabischen by Salem Ahmad Tairan (Namengebung, 1992) and Chrestomathia Arabica meridionalis epigraphica edita et glossario instructa by Carlo Conti Rossini (Pubblicazioni dell'Istituto per l'Oriente, 1931). It might be a good idea to check those out.
I agree that this is probably all in good faith, but a measure of work needs to be done. What do you think the next step is? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:41, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Reach out to the editor urgently and get him to stop. See List of rulers of Saba and Himyar which is all based on the same book and full of mispellings I can't figure out, partially because it contains numbered kings but the original articles don't have numbers. It's been based on that book since Nov. 2007.[1] The author's name is actually Jawad Ali, and he's used in various sources[2] See also this.[3] By the way, the list says " A Sabaic dictionary which was puplished by the University of Sana'a is used to interpret the rulers' names and titles.[5]" I'm not sure that works with names, but perhaps it does.
In any case, there's quite a bit of work to do. Perhaps if you could help him with the names and get him to make the spelling changes - and convince him I'm not a bad guy of course. :-) His talk page suggests he's not sued to working with others, and I know he doesn't understand about original research. Thanks very much! Doug Weller talk 06:05, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
See El Sharih Yahdhib.I don't know what can be done about his writing. Doug Weller talk 06:14, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Re Karib'il Watar I have re-jigged it to be a bit more readable. Can you take a quick look at the 'campaigns'. I am of course dubious of the spelling there, however not being able to read the original text, I cant tell where quotation starts/ends and what is author comment. In context some of them seem unlikely wordings to be carved into a wall. Only in death does duty end (talk) 13:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: I'm so sorry! I procrastinated because I thought it would be a simple issue of explaining to a new user why their spelling was wrong. I had no idea it would blow up into an SPI and mudslinging across ANI. I just saw the archived thread; I'm sorry that I didn't take initiative on that. For what it's worth, I'll try to clean up the mess after the fact, but you have my thanks for handling that meltdown so quickly. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:32, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
No problem but I'm glad Platypus took it to AfD. I spent up to an hour on El Sharih Yahdhib failing to find him, his father, his brother, the Axumite tribal allies, etc. "Yahdib" is clearly wrong. There seems to have been 4 Bakil kings in parallel with another line of kings, but I wasn't able to find all their names. Maybe you can. Doug Weller talk 04:45, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: me too, it was a good call. I already have a negative feeling about these other articles...many of the same sources are mentioned, and some of the material in the articles themselves seem related to Kingdoms and not the supposed individuals. Just to be sure, are we mainly talking about El Sharih Yahdhib, Karab El Bayin, Karib'il Watar and Sha'r Awtar? Or is there more? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:52, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
I think that's all. I dealt with 2 others just now. User:Only in death, thanks for your help. There's actually quite a bit on Karib'il Watar that would improve the article no end.[4][5][6] Doug Weller talk 12:33, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Looking for a reliable Sinni source[edit]

Salam Alaykum, I look for a reliable Sunni source which describes Sunnis view about Rashidun Caliphate particularly Ali's caliphate and First Fitna. Can you please help me with it.--Seyyed(t-c) 11:50, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

@Sa.vakilian: walaikum as salam, are you thinking of older sources like Tabari-era, or more modern sources from contemporary Sunni authors? MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:56, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Modern sources I mean.--Seyyed(t-c) 06:39, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
@Sa.vakilian: salam alaikum Seyyed. I haven't forgotten your inquiry, but time has run short. I will try to give the subject a good search once I get the time. I hope the delay hasn't caused any slowdowns with editing. Happy Ramadan, btw. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum, I hope you have good time in Ramadan. I guessed you forgot it ;-) In fact we try to make a good article about Rashidun Caliphate in Persian wikipedia based on the featured one in Arabic. However, we have more restricted codes about the reliable sources similar to English wikipedia. Therefor, many of the sources of Arabic wiki are not acceptable there.--Seyyed(t-c) 17:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
@Sa.vakilian: walaikum as salam, oh I definitely know what you mean. Arabic Wikipedia is ridiculous, right down to the admins themselves - YouTube slander videos with a similar maturity level to rap battles are accepted, and primary religious sources like hadith are considered reliable and even trump actual scientific/scholarly sources among the community there. Don't worry, I haven't forgotten, and I'll make sure to get around to it soon enough. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:24, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Salam Alaykum, Reminder.--Seyyed(t-c) 08:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

@Sa.vakilian: walaikum as-salam, I haven't forgotten, though I suppose I did take my time. After searching among modern sources, I've realized that Sunni writing on the First Fitna and Ali's rulership seems to fall into three categories. These are my own categories and I'm not an expert, so please take this with a grain of salt.
  1. Revisionist works that sugarcoat the intense conflict, brush it under the carpet and try to encourage people not to talk about it.
  2. Polemical works that are more anti-Shi'a than actual history.
  3. Works written by Sunni descendants of Ahlul-Bayt, which tend to be the most fair but still never seem to go into details.
The Ghomaris and Kettanis, both Moroccan families, have some words about this, but even then it's nothing substantial. If you're looking for modern Sunni sources, though, I think that writers from those two families would be the best bet. Do you need example titles? Some of their writings on the topic might be contained within larger works of more general subjects. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank for your detailed answer. However, I need reliable sources from the different viewpoints. You see, I want to improve the articles.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:38, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mujono[edit]

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Wow...nominating the sixth chief justice of the supreme court of the world's fourth most populous nation...for speedy? Eight minutes after its creation? I don't think I've seen a more ridiculous (yet good faith) misuse of speedy in my nine years of editing. And I'm not being sarcastic. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:03, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Ahmad Thomson[edit]

Dear brother MezzoMezzo, assalamu alaykum. Ramadan Mubarak. I hope you are well. I am respectfully hoping you will take a minute to look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmad Thomson. I think he's not at all notable. Thanks and regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 05:44, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

@GorgeCustersSabre: walaikum as salam, and Ramadan Mubarak to you, too. I'll try to take a moment to check out the article and AfD once I have the chance. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:04, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Ether one of them[edit]

Hello. Regarding you reverts in the article of Islam and the article of Barelvi. I know for sure that Barelvi is a Sufi movement not a Sunni. But, for you Barelvi is ether a Sunni or Sufi. So, if you think it is a Sunni, why don't you remove all the sourced info in its article that says it is a Sufi?! Kfaani (talk) 07:47, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Dear Kfaani, I am probably impolite by answering on someone else's talk page (sorry MezzoMezzo), but you are mistaken. Barelvi is a Sunni movement, not a Sufi movement, although Barelvis can also be Sufis. Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 07:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I know that some Sufis calim they are Sunnis! It is like if some Shia claimed they are Sunnis! Sufism is NOT a branch of Sunni Islam. Sufis consider themselves as a branch of Islam. Sunni Islam and Sufism are different sects. The article of [Barelvi] is full of many neutral sources which confirm that Barelvi is a Sufi. I am still waiting for the reply of MezzoMezzo. Kfaani (talk) 08:10, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
You are wrong, and I believe your edits constitute edit-warring. Try to work with other editors, not against them. George Custer's Sabre (talk) 08:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
I am a scholar of Islam for tens of years. Sunni Islam and Sufism are two sects. This is basic information and I wonder how come some people would even argue about it! Kfaani (talk) 16:47, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
@Kfaani: I don't care who you think you are. Wikipedia is a site based on policies and consensus; learn the rules of the site or nobody will take you or your fringe theories seriously. Please go review Wikipedia:Consensus, Wikipedia:Fringe theories, Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines and Wikipedia:Edit warring. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Wahab El Yahiz[edit]

See Wahab'il Yahuz Doug Weller talk 12:24, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

No email[edit]

Do you use Yahoo? That often doesn't work with Wikipedia mail. Doug Weller talk 09:52, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: indeed I do. Were you able to at least see my email address at all, or was an email simply not sent to you? MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:17, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
No, nothing came at all. It's a known problem, see [7]. Hm, [8]. Doug Weller talk 06:28, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
I know of another admin who has received emails from me before; it was two years ago so I'm not sure if he has it saved in his archives. Also, I don't know if he's allowed to give you my email, but I think I have his. Could I email him off-wiki and ask him to send you my email address? MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:35, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Nudge nudge wink winke hm, [9]? and thanks for the move. Doug Weller talk 10:12, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
Still waiting for your email. Doug Weller talk 12:36, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Miscellaneous[edit]

I found Mukkaribs and changed it to Mukarribs, much more common spelling. Rewrote it as it was mainly Mormon (Latter Day Saints) sourced and used one of their prophets as a time frame, and realised it should be singular, Mukarrib - started to move it there and discovered we already had a duplicate article there. So, merged by text as of course it was better. There's a lot that can be written about them. I'm worried about List of rulers of Saba and Himyar (based on that Arabic book) and List of rulers of Sheba which is based on a don't know what and looks better structured, giving alternatives. And I think there isn't just one possible list. But of course its mistitled. But the Jaead Ali one suffers from being very pov as there are definitely other opinions (other writers don't suggest so many Mukarribs for instance), and I'm sure using non-standard translations. I'm tempted to keep its title but replace the material with the Sheba stuff, although it probably has problems with spelling and accuracy. Doug Weller talk 18:10, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

Mr. Weller: regarding the two lists, then I agree that the second one looks like it has more accurate spelling/transliteration, and I like the multiple lists in terms of historical nuance, but the lack of sources is problematic. The user who created the article has been inactive for six years, so there's no way to ask them for a source. And although the Jawad Ali source might be acceptable, and the first list is based on it, basing such a list on only one source is quite problematic. So, if we go with what you suggest:
  1. We keep the name of the first list
  2. Keep the version of the second list
  3. Still need to find more sources
I don't think this is controversial, but it is substantial. Does such a change need to be announced on talk pages for a period of time first? MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:22, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
The only recent edits besides Echoboy90 are adding cats, so I'd say no. We aren't going to get any discussion on the talk pages. See WP:MERGEINIT. In any case, it could be undone. Doug Weller talk 06:32, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: fair enough. Do you wish to do the honors, or should I? MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:36, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
If you've got time now could you? I'm on my exercise bike. It's actually a page move leaving a redirect behind, thus keeping the contribution history. Doug Weller talk 06:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: no worries, I got this. Feel the burn! MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:41, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: I have been looking through the Beaston source, but unfortunately I haven't felt well lately which cuts into my free time. But don't worry...I just thought I'd leave a note letting you know that this hasn't been forgotten. MezzoMezzo (talk) 06:33, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Doug Doug Weller talk 06:49, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Hadith of Najd[edit]

MezzoMezzo, that copypaste-claiming fool came along again. I've semi-protected the article since this has gone on long enough. Anytime you want to earn that barnstar for cleaning up and improving this article, go right ahead; I'd sure appreciate it. I could try it myself but I'd probably offend most major religions in the world, given my lack of knowledge. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:49, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

@Drmies: flattery will get you everywhere! On a serious note, I'll give it a good look over. The sources currently there are reliable though I can see that the article itself needs some work. It's a hyper-charged sectarian issue, and the fact that one sect of the roughly three involved in the conflict sort of has more historical/geographical/linguistic evidence on their side (that's not me taking sides, I want nothing to do with any of the sects involved) is bound to irk a lot of casual readers who browse and become enflamed. I'll do my best in the next week or so. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Sectarianism? in an article on a religious topic? Shocking. Thanks--anything you can do will make it less attractive as a target. Plus, a better article is better. I appreciate the help, MezzoMezzo. Drmies (talk) 12:06, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Laylat al-Qadr ( night of decree )[edit]

Hey, I attempted to have a mention of Laylat al-Qadr on the main page, in the OTD box. I was confused as there were multiple days regarded as Laylat al-Qadr and those days were a bit different for Shi'a and Sunni. I decided to mention 23rd for Shia and 27th for Sunni. However, do you think it's done correctly, as we know there's no sectarian dispute in this regard and the differences stem from ambiguity of the narrations? Mhhossein (talk) 07:00, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: yeah, I think the way you put it was fine - I doubt anybody gets belligerent/sectarian-ly charged about which of the several nights it could fall on, and it's definitely a night important enough to warrant being in the OTD box. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:21, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm now more confident. It's the first time the article appears on the main page. Mhhossein (talk) 09:25, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

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Translation advice[edit]

If you have time, your help with a translation dispute would be appreciated at Talk:Jizya#Al-Buti_translation. Eperoton (talk) 03:51, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

@Eperoton: I'm always glad to help if I'm regularly logging in, and I already have my thoughts on the piece posted. However, it might be prudent for me to wait for the other party to respond, as a courtesy, before I enter the discussion. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:57, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

A present day martyr[edit]

I have done a bit of clean-up to an article on Asfandyar Bukhari Shaheed, removing most of the martydom statements, honorifics, etc. Please could you add it to your watch list.-- Toddy1 (talk) 07:41, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

@Toddy1: Sure, I'll se what I can do. Though from the beginning, I can tell that this will take a bit of work; the article is written in a rather improper style. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:05, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

saw your name[edit]

I was wondering if you take requests? These are relatively simple, I need some names transliterated into Arabic, and a quick check to see if anything exists at the Arabic Wikipedia for them. I can't read Arabic, and when I try to cut and paste, sometimes they reverse or the characters mutate. Even when (well, especially) I've asked for help at the Arabic Wiki, even my English starts to fracture by line and put punctuation in the wrong place. Help?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 15:42, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

Just in case, the list is Gamal Khashaba, Mohamed Saad el Din Sherif, Aly Aly El-Moursy, Hussein Sabry Gad El Mula

Mohamed Saad el Din Sherif Aly Aly El-Moursy Muhammad el-Hibri Farid Karam Abdallah Zouaghi Mohamed Triki Mahmoud el-Alamy Abdelaziz Drissi-Kacemi Mohamed Afilal Ibrahim Zakaria Rashid Shoucair Hassan Al-Ali Mohamed H. Fhema Mostafa Salem Mohammed Saleh Al Qahtani Samih Abdel Fattah Iskandar Malek Gabr Fawzi Farghali Fathy Farghali --Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 11:01, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

@Kintetsubuffalo: Yes, I'd be glad to help. Let me take a look at these for a moment. MezzoMezzo (talk) 07:03, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Thank you so much!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 07:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
@Kintetsubuffalo: I've looked on Arabic Wikipedia for half of the list of individuals so far. No luck; Mohamed Triki shares his name with several individuals but I couldn't find anything on him specifically. Keep in mind that this is only in regard to Arabic Wikipedia; I haven't started wider Google searches yet. I'll try to get to that phase soon. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:03, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
That's all right, Arab Wikipedia is enough, thank you so much!--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 04:20, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Reverted your edit[edit]

Hi. Thank you for your edit on 2016 Turkish purges, MezzoMezzo. However, it appears that you have reverted an edit that improves on the article's content. It actually explains why the Egyptians rejected a statement condemning the coup attempt. It's because the statement called for sides to "respect the democratically elected" government of Turkey, but the Egyptians feared that it would legitimize the regime of Erdogan. The previous edit did not explain why, and claimed Sisi as a "coup" leader. Zakawer (talk) 14:16, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

@Zakawer: From the source itself:

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi is a former general who overthrew elected President Mohamed Mursi, of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood, in 2013 after mass protests against Mursi. Turkey provided support for the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

The source itself mentions that Sisi led the overthrow of the previous government; it doesn't mention anything about fears of legitimizing Erdogan's rule. Please review WP:WHYCITE and WP:NOR. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:38, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, but the citation was moved behind that statement on fears of legitimizing Erdogan's regime. Zakawer (talk) 15:34, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Your inquiry[edit]

I have responded to your inquiry here [10]. Xtremedood (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry for my skepticism (which I didn't state but I'm sure it was obvious) about our ability to work with each other. You found a new angle to resolve both of our disagreements quickly. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:15, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Sudden traffic increase[edit]

Can you say why we've got a peak here? ----Mhhossein talk 19:42, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

@Mhhossein: Without the ability to view just where the traffic came from, it's hard to say. However, we can surmise that when a Wikipedia article is mentioned in an online news source, a lot of people who don't otherwise read Wikipedia will visit said article. I have no idea who we'd test that hypothesis, though. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:29, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
Thanks anyway. --Mhhossein talk 05:03, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

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Assalamu alaikum warahmathullahi wabarakathuhu[edit]

Now the article about Aboobacker Amani nominated for deletion, Can you work for Kerala Muslims. Wassalam. 137.97.224.201 (talk) 06:34, 5 December 2016 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated[edit]

Hi, I'm Ipigott. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Siti Noordjannah Djohantini, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Ipigott (talk) 10:24, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Nurjan Mirahmadi[edit]

Dear MezzoMezzo, assalamu alaykum. I hope you are fine. I am respectfully hoping you will help me to keep the Nurjan Mirahmadi page neutral, accurate and referenced. One editor continuously adds hyperbolic, fan-style and unreferenced material, and even keeps changing the page name itself to include Mawlana, sheikh, etc. My thanks and regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 08:28, 17 December 2016 (UTC)

@GorgeCustersSabre: walaikum as salam, I'm okay. Wow...what a mess. There's clear edit warring by the article creator there, though I'm not sure how much attention the article itself needs when it's up for AfD. Let's see how that plays out, because if the article is deleted (which it should be) then there's no reason to worry about the specific content at this time. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:26, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes that's the best course of action now. Thanks so much. Regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 03:53, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]

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A revision of the Muslim scholar infobox[edit]

Hey! Thanks for the kind words about Ibn Hanbal edits! Listen, I was hoping we could work at making a new type of infobox for classical Islamic scholars, similar to the one right now (i.e. it will have places for time/place of birth/death, Creed, jurisprudence, tariqa etc) but, looking at the beautiful one for Catholic saints (gold on names and titles) -- I was hoping we could make one like that but deep green in color instead of gold, perhaps with white writing for titles, names etc. And try to have some pictoral representation, be it calligraphy or figurative. I just thought we could now work at making a template for Islamic scholars, which should not take so long (we can use the Catholic saint infobox as a model) and then I can help add it to pages! It can be "classical Islamic scholar infobox."

Also we can have a similar space for titles under the pictures, as the Muslim scholars also have titles! --Megalodon34 (talk) 06:36, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

@Megalodon34: that's the best original idea I've heard in a long time. I took a look at Template:Infobox saint and it doesn't seem overly complicated. Do you want to work on this in a sandbox, or on a subpage somewhere? And should we inform any Wikiprojects? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:19, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thanks mate! I don't know what a sandbox is; and neither do I know what Wikiprojects are! :P You tell me if those are good ideas? And yes, I do not think it should be too difficult -- how do we get the colors right? Thanks a lot again! --Megalodon34 (talk) 03:26, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

@Megalodon34: your sandbox is a single, personal page where you can practice editing, experiment or slowly create longer articles before posting them. You should see the "Sandbox" link in between the links for your talk page and preferences. You're allowed to try out weird formatting and stuff there. A Wikiproject is a page for editors with similar interests to find assistance. Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes, for example, is a page where people who really, really like making and editing infoboxes can coordinate their efforts. Quite often for a project like this, the editors involved will post a message on the talk page of the project asking for help from anyone who's interested.
Take a look at that page, your sandbox and any other Wikiprojects that you think could help out. I have to log out for today, but hopefully I'll have time to log in tomorrow and we can see how much further we can take this idea. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:55, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Points[edit]

First of all, yes; you are absolutely right that it seems like "original research" -- i think i was writing in a hurry and there has to be a better way of phrasing the idea that several things became cardinal points of Sunni Islam during the classical/medieval periods, like the belief in saint's miracles ("Belief in the miracles of saints is a requirement in Sunni Islam" as Jonathan Brown says) but are rejected by several modern strands of Sunnism... I will work out how to phrase it all better!

And thanks for the recommendation of the book on Ibn Hanbal! I actually have it already! But thanks :) Megalodon34 (talk) 08:12, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

@Megalodon34: Even after ten years on this site, I still occasionally write things in a rush and end up rethinking it later. The ability to come up with quick ideas is a good one (especially the Dr. Brown ref - I don't think anyone would find him objectionable as a citation). Best of luck. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:19, 14 February 2017 (UTC)