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Paul Butcher, Jr.

Hey Michael--can you make something of this? Looking at the IMDB entry suggests he's notable enough. You doing alright? Thanks! Drmies (talk) 13:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Sophie Turner - Gianni Capaldi COI, hoax?

Hey MQS, how are things? Got a favour to ask, can you have a look at Gianni Capaldi, it just popped up on my watch list (must have tagged it some time ago), the issue I see is recently two new editors popped up, Sophieturner (talk · contribs) and Giannila (talk · contribs), rather auspicious names...Giannila has only edited (presumably) an autobiographical article, and Sophia has only edited the article Sophie Turner, and added information about Sophia Turner to Gianni Capaldi....I looked up the movie they supposedly starred together in (Mandarin Orange Boys I think) and there was nothing (mind you I am on a netbook with a 10" screen, so I didn't look that hard), and the references in both articles are links to their respective Wikipedia pages. I am likely out of serious editing for a couple days, and then am flying back to the motherland Tuesday (need anything while I am in Beijing?) so am not really in "investigative capability", I thought you might have heard anything of these people, Sophia Turner appears to be legit (just skimming it), but the recent additions give me suspicions of one person two accounts using her real name as a username to give it street cred...Gianni's IMDB page shows some roles in movies/TV shows I have never heard of (although I have been in Mongolia off and on for 6 months...and don't watch much TV even when I am not here.) Anyway, could you, or any TPS (and by TPS I mean you Doc) take a look? If you can't get around to it, no worries, I will be keeping an eye on it. Perhaps an OTRS request should be put in to verify some of the editors using real "celebrities" names? Do you know where one would go with that, as you are the most famous person that I know! Cheers.--kelapstick (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for awarding me the Barnstar of Recovery. It's nice to know that my efforts are appreciated. Best wishes, WWGB (talk) 01:51, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Always appreciative when someone rescues something before I can get to it, as many hands make light work. Your barnstar is well deserved. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:03, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I Am the Media

Hi Michael,

I have tweaked some of the info on the I Am the Media article; as you are the major contributor I thought it a courtesy to tell you. I have not changed the sense of anything I think. Andy Warhol on the interview list I have taken out; as he died in 1987 I thought it unlikely that he was in the film... perhaps it was some spliced-in old footage. If I was wrong to remove him, please add him back.

Best wishes, Acabashi (talk) 16:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

RE: inre this diff

I could understand why you would place a disambig on the Louder Than a Bomb article because someone might go there in search of the Public Enemy song. I took it off because I doubt anyone would go to the Nation of Millions article searching for the film, even with the doc and one of the songs holding the same title. WikiGuy86 (talk) 02:30, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

It comes up second in a search,[1] followed by a few other similar titles. How would it best be handled? A disambig page, perhaps? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
That would probably work better. WikiGuy86 (talk) 05:21, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I'll see what I can do. Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:23, 11 August 2010 (UTC)


Why, thank you! Much appreciated. Only rarely do I vote "keep", but when it's needed, I don't hesitate to do so, as well as to point out sources establishing notability. - Biruitorul Talk 03:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Canvassing on Hum Hain Lajawab

Hum Hain Lajawab, a Hindi dub of The Incredibles (film) is up for deletion, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hum Hain Lajawab. Since this is your area of expertise, I thought that you might be interested in improving it as it appears there are sources available. Thanks! Christopher Connor (talk) 23:52, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Obama Anak Menteng (film)

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 18 August 2010 (UTC)


I remember your discussion about how it's ok to do an article on the Avenger film if it is well sourced and notable. So I was just curious if I could create an article about X-Men: First Class (film) as a "film project" article before it starts filming if it is well sourced and notable enough. Jhenderson777 (talk) 18:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

You might use The Avengers film project as an example template, and create it first in a workspace such as User:Jhenderson777//workspace/X-men: First Class (film project).... and expand the heck out of it and source the heck out of it, as any small or minimally sourced "future" topic articles are quite likley to be redirected to small sections in the parent topic article. Keep in mind that per WP:CRYSTAL "future topic" articles can be considered...but... they need to extraordinarily show that they have the extended in-depth coverage over several years to merit being one of those rare exceptions to WP:NFF. And such may end up at AFD for discussion anyway, as it's a case-by-case basis. Note also... they must not be set up in format to mimic any article about actual completed films or films-in-progress, because, and even though, they are film-topic articles, they are about a "non-film". Its only after a film begins principle filming or gains release will it become an actual film article and use a film format. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:37, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Ok thanks for telling me this. I have already created sandbox for this film. Here it is. That's why I am already ready but since you telled me they can't mimic any films in progress as of right now, it seems like a few things might need to be changed for the time being. You can help with that if you like. Jhenderson777 (talk) 18:56, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Study the article at "The Avengers film project". First order of business is to move your title into a new sandbox... User:Jhenderson777/X-Men: First Class (film project), rather than User:Jhenderson777/X-Men: First Class (film), as it is impoprtant that the article title does not imply a "made" film. Second, eliminate your use of an infobox, as that template is meant for films that have begun or completed principle filming. Third, consider changing the "cast" list to "planned cast" and set it as a section AFTER development and pre-production, as in the The Avengers film project article. Also, far better to have planned cast writen as prose (and not as a bulleted section), and to remove the character descriptions, as those are simply duplicate of information in other articles.
You are aware that X-Men (film series)#X-Men: First Class (2011), is itself an already pretty hefty section at the series article... and what you are essentialy doing is creating a spinout. So in order to survive as a stand-alone, you need to give a more thorough historical coverage and provide in-depth contextual information, else it will wind up as a redirect back to X-Men: First Class (film project). What would be best, even if more work, is to create the very in-depth and well cited "(film project)" article, and then go to the talk page at Talk:X-Men (film series) and seek advice toward it as a spinout... suggesting that the existing section is, per Wikipedia:Article size, starting to overburden the parent, and that as per WP:SPLITTING a proper spinout should be considered. Geting input form those editors alredy involved in the series article will be extremely helpful. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:49, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I put it on the other sandbox. What do you think? If you think it looks alright. I will discuss it with User:-5- about doing it that way who is mostly involved in the X-Men (film series) article and my sandbox. Jhenderson777 (talk) 20:15, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Better. See if you can emulate the way "planned cast" is handled at The Avengers film project, as informative prose toward each's participation, rather than as a chaacter description. Do some research to expand and describe the "courting" of each actor for their various roles... sourced to the various announcements of each as they were made public. History. Context. Then yes, discuss it as a reasonable spinout with v and others, specially as the existing section will then be neccessarily trimmed accordingly.Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:42, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Filming is supposed to start in just three weeks, per this source. I think we may be able to wait it out, and just simply import the X-Men: First Class article from Jhenderson777's into X-Men: First Class (film) when the time is right. Really, the difference between this and the Avengers is time. The Avengers still has a while to go, while this is going to start filming very soon. I'm on the side that says to wait it out, but it's Jhenderson777's userspace so I'll go with whatever the consensus is. My main goal is just to keep the sections in the X-Men (film series) article and Jhenderson777's userspace up-to-date, organized, and referenced.-5- (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
That's true. It's only next month away. But either way it's going to end up the way the original sandbox is. I think this discussion helped me out with other movies besides just this one. Jhenderson777 (talk) 14:45, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Per THIS it has three weeks. I think both you and User:-5- are on the right track. Were you in a hurry to get it to mainspace, my original comments above toward treating it as a (film project)... film-related non-film.... article would be best toward its retention... but with filming to begin in less than a month, and if you're willing to wait three weeks, it would make sense to return it to its original (film) version and continue tweaking. You've done some good work. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I just realized how soon that is. I also have the same intentions for the Spider-Man reboot which is a while away and the section is getting long on it's film space too. I have already created the name as a redirection and here is a revision of how it looks like. Jhenderson777 (talk) 19:54, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Looks like it's time to split "Cancellation of Spider-Man 4 and reboot" into two sections in the current Spider-Man (film series) article.... "Cancellation of Spider-Man 4" and "Spider Man Reboot", since they are now two different but related sub topics. Just did it.[2] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I think that was a good idea. I fixed the redirection of Spider-Man 4 and the redirection I just created to the reboot section. Now what do you think about creating the reboot section into a separate article since I created a name for it. Is it too early? Jhenderson777 (talk) 20:27, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
I would suggest a userspace, not mainspace. Interesting quandary will be the title. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:48, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Are you serious about that as a title? About using it as a userspace, I would only use it if it would benefit the future. The only reason why I didn't create a sandbox on the Spider-Man future film because it is untitled thus far so I don't know what it would be called. Jhenderson777 (talk) 22:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

In userspace, a title really does not matter. When filming begins, the actual title will probably be announced and you can move your workspace article to that new (as yet unknown) title. Heck, at the moment even IMDB only refers to it as "Untitled Spider-Man Reboot". So it's an unknown. And IN userspace, additional sources and expansion can take place... as the news coverage continues.[3] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:37, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I might just do that for the future Spider-Man film. We'll see! Jhenderson777 (talk) 15:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
By the way I did create the film project article for X-Men: First Class. Might as well! Jhenderson 777 22:29, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
And it is nominated for deletion! Jhenderson 777 18:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
We must have seen that at about the same, and we had an EC at that discussion. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Alright in response to the latest comment. I will see what you can do. And please inform User:-5- this too. He mostly works on the film series article more than I do and is probably good at finding sources too. I know I am not that good at finding sources. Jhenderson 777 20:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Whew! Thank goodness the AFD's over. But I have come to inform you, you might want to join in the discussion of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Films#Film projects. Jhenderson 777 17:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Fox Jackson-Keen

Very nice job. I suspect had the article been in this shape at the outset there would have been no nomination. Eudemis (talk) 02:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you and I agree. Ideally, editors should fix something and thus improve the encyclopedia... rather than want something tossed simply because it hasn't been fixed "yet". A negative preconception works against many articles. WP:CLEANUP and WP:ATD are supposed to be of a little more concern to editors rather than treated as dismissable suggestions. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

If you have time...

Vanessa is back and applying for more film roles, with a new talent agency. I'm short of time at the mo but will block later today, or any passing admin can do the honours, I think 3 months is the current standard. If you get a chance to clean up her mess, be my guest. :) Franamax (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Following behind with my scooper and plastic bag? Glad to help out. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Well you know I think you should be using a mop and bucket... :)
Thanks MQS for cleaning this up while I was out climbing a hill. To keep the "book" up-to-date, I have,,, going back to April 2009. We will need to keep an eye out for when they IP-hop again. Regards! Franamax (talk) 10:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Take a look when you get a moment

Hello Michael, I found some new links on Tait. Take a look at my talk page when you get a chance. Thank you

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Thanks! Much appreciated! Yeah I think its time we had some system in place which makes the criteria for AFDs tougher. People will nominate anything these days while the real duds are lurking elsewhere. Dr. Blofeld 10:42, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Well... some people will, anyway. Maybe an editor ought to actually have some content creation and articles under their belt before they are permitted to misjudge the potential of others? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 10:46, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. Mmm I started Samuel Benedict (film producer) after blue linking Nick Benedict an actor who appeared in the recent Memories of Murder (1990 film) AFD article you know. However I cannot find a single source to support it aside from imdb. Can you help? Dr. Blofeld 16:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

If you can't I will delete it. Please respond. Dr. Blofeld 21:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I will do some digging. Pity his name is shared by notable chemists and clerics. I'll report back. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:46, 3 September 2010 (UTC)


Hi Michael: Thanks so much for introducing sense into the "1 a Minute" deletion page. Do you know when the deletion discussion will be closed? Thanks again for it all, Best wishes Loccitane (talk) 02:42, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILMS August 2010 Newsletter

The August 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 03:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Guadalajara: The Experience

Closed as requested. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:19, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Too soon

Actually I think WP:TOOSOON article is too valuable! I wonder why Wikipedia didn't make something up like that. EelamStyleZ (talk) 14:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually TOOSOON seems useful for even non-new editors who just want to make an article for a new film they hear about or a debuting actor. Some articles that I nominate for deletion are created by such amature editors who still lack some good sense in editing articles. However, I think TOOSOON is written a bit "high-tech," if you will, for new editors -- I'd say giving more descriptive sub headings (instead of for example, just WP:BIO) would be helpful for new editors. But I'd highly recommend the article to any newbie so that they know when to create an article about someone or something. And I think the NEWBIEGUIDE is awesome, very user friendly and nicely outlined! I think it sums up all the important topics briefly and boldly. I'll surely recommend that to any new editors I come across who may need help. :) EelamStyleZ (talk) 16:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

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A bubble tea for you

An AfD that might interest you

Thought this might be of interest: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bill Sharkey's Last Game. Thanks. Lugnuts (talk) 09:48, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Didn't get a chance to thank you (temporay block thing) - so thanks! There were some good refs brought up by the AfD nom that I plan to use, so a negative becomes a positive. Thanks again. Lugnuts (talk) 19:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I think if you open a dialog with the nominator now, he has a better understanding of just how negative mass nominaions appear, how they set an unrealistic ticking clock for certain difficult-to-source but do-able articles, and may be glad to work with you in expanding and sourcing those articles. And take a hint from my own efforts at The Telephone Girl and the Lady. Its one thing to simply add a source... but it's far better to draw some contextual content and expand to add to a reader's understanding. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


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Re: @AfD

Calling out a possible WP:COI is not exactly bad faith; I simply had a very bad feeling per your comments and arguments that you were merely trying to push the article to be kept based on your possible bias for the movie industry (because, well, you're quite successful in that domain, says your Wiki article). And it didn't really help that the creator of the articles went to notify someone like you of the AfD. It wasn't meant to be a personal attack at all.

My being in film and television actually makes me better qualified to dig where others had not thought to go. And consider... a doctor may edit medical articles or an athlete edit sports articles or a teacher edit education articles without it being COI... specially as editors are encouraged to edit those areeas where they feel they can make the best contributions. If I were promoting myself or projects I have been in, THAT would be COI.Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.
And a polite and quite neutral notification to one or two editors who might help improve an article or offer advice on how to proceed is not canvassing. Had Lugnuts suggested I take some specific action toward his interests, or had he made his notice to many others, THAT would be canvasing. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.

Anyways, I'm sorry if it turned out to be a fight there... I don't like taking something as trivial as an encyclopaedia article that seriously, but I suppose that the ambiance created by Hullabaloo didn't exactly help me keep a cool head. So, sorry about that. (I also see that you posted on my talk, be back to answer that in a jiffy.) EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 22:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Yeah, I guess I didn't exactly realise how tedious it would have been to source those hundreds of articles in seven-day stretches... heh, I even thought twenty of them was a little on the low side. But I understand how RL can get in the way of these little things, so again, I'm sorry for not having realised that at first. I suppose going to WikiProject Films would have been the best bet for this case. I appreciate the time you're placing into this type of stuff, in spite of your career, and I hope we don't bump into another discussion for similar circumstances (which is very likely, as I'm going to take a bit of time off from AfD – and Wikipedia, for that matter, since the school year is coming back). Regards. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 22:27, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
There are processes set in place to alow the slow and steady improvement of the project. A better option in today's instances would have been to tag these articles for concerns and let them be addressed over a reasonable time period. If they do not receive improvements to make them at least marginally accptable, then is the time to "propose a deletion" which gives another 10-day grace period for improvements. If the prod is removed without cause, THEN is the time to consider a deletion discussion, IF discussions with the de-prodder proved unsuccessful. But the fact that you hit us with some 18 or 19 at once. Ouch. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:24, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Sorry again. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 22:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
And to let you know, mass deletions are discouraged. One reason is because of the real-world time factors involved. Another is that mass noms are seen by some as a tactic intended to make answering concerns in the limited time available a nearly impossible task... as if the nom were more concerned with getting something deleted than it actually getting improved. I do not believe this is the reason you mass nominated, but it does sometimes creates just that negative impression. And it must have itself seemed a bit overwhelming to try to answer the 19 different threads of that multiple AFD all at once. Usually (but never mandated), a nominator will make his nomination, give his reasons, and then sit back and let those responding begin discussion and sort things out over the 7-day period. And somewher along the way articles get improved, or not... and the article is kept, or not. A nominator need not take the load upon himself to respond to every comment or refute every opinion, as that can create the baryard brawl we all wish to avoid. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)


I'm working on some other articles at the moment. I may take a look at it later.-5- (talk) 21:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Douglas Tait: Another feature article

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A Marine Story

General replies at my talk. I moved the Story to see what happens, but on re-re-rereading I now see "Farr and Weber first developed..." but there is no prior explanation of who "Weber" is, other than being in the infobox. That would count for me as "badly written" regardless of notability considerations. If Weber was crucial to the development they should be mentioned in the lede and substantiated in the body. Franamax (talk) 22:49, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

A Marine Story and Demarco Morgan should be now set to go. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:28, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for all of your work on A Marine Story. As I mentioned before, you are an incredible mentor and exemplify all that is good about Wikipedia! Action grrl (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:50, 14 September 2010 (UTC).
Glad to be of help. And when you have future articles, always feel welcome to ask for input before going live. Always best to address issues early. :) Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 15:18, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Excellent guidance! Will do...thanks! :) Action grrl (talk) 14:17, 15 September 2010 (UTC)


What do you think of this DYK nomination. Template talk:Did you know#X-Men: First Class (film). Jhenderson 777 16:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Apparently I am getting a little controversy over it because it has been nominated when it was a film project. Even though the DYK and the article are a little different. An user is stating that it's one and the same. It's kind of saddening that nobody responded to it when User:TriiipleThreat nominated it as a film project and now somebody responds that it's already been nominated when as a real film. It's a case of being completely left out. It's a "That's the way things goes." moment. Jhenderson 777 18:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
(EC) One of those touchy situations where retreat is the better part of valor. Had the AFD resulted in a userfy or incubate or even a delete of the original article, and another new one created a few days later as a film article, it would have... despite its resemblance... been more likely able to be argued as a new article. But with a move of old article and history to a new name, is is a rename of an existing article... one which as is pointed out, was not expanded 5x or qualifies as new. Hoist by your own petard. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Ahhh... point out that it was ignored, or over-looked, or fell through the cracks when originally nominated, and that it is that earlier nomination that should be acted upon, even at this late date! No sense in punishing an article now because DYK evaluators messed up then. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
From what I remember I ignored. I never saw any responses when it was on my watchlist. That doesn't mean I never missed a response. But I never saw response when I look at it. Do you know if they archive these things or something. Jhenderson 777 18:38, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes, there are records of old DYKs, and it might be possible to resurrect it even now if it was ignored back then. Read response over HERE. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:42, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I see it at Template:Did you know/Queue. Jhenderson 777 19:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Nice!!! If it's IN queue, then it is still alive and it may have been that it had put on hold durig the AFD and is now proceeding normally. Make sure that DYK editors change the title to reflect the move, and retract your second DYK as superflouos. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
And all that worry over nothing. I hope you have a sheepish smile of embarrassment on you face right about now. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah lol. Can't you just delete the second nomination. :) Jhenderson 777 19:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── And by you I meant me. Jhenderson 777 19:31, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

No need. I requested its deletion here and it will be taken care of... likley within a few minute or hours. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:36, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
I also asked HERE. No problem. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:45, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
OK. I wasn't sure of how to inform the name changing so I mentioned it here. Jhenderson 777 19:52, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Busy morning. :) Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Yeah I hear you. By the way if you look below that nomination that we just talked about, there lies my first DYK nomination. What do you think about that one? Jhenderson 777 21:57, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Kismet. And if you're willing... I got a tough assigment for you. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:01, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Kismet? And yikes! What is this assigment? Jhenderson 777 22:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I do not expect immediate miracles, but would like you to consider doing some diging.

Background: Last year I worked a bit on an article about a book that had doubtful notability and as a result it was not deleted... then. However, last August (and I was not notified of the discussion by its nominator), the article was sent to AFD and subsequently deleted.[4] The creator, was involved in a similar deletion discussion about an article she had also written on the book's author... also deleted.[5] So now, after years of edits, the articles' creator is disgusted with Wikipedia and has not contributed since. I can see her point, as no effort was made to improve either article during their recent deletion discussions, and the discussions seemed to focus are article tone, rather than improvability. The article on the book is now in my userspace, and I have requested userfication (pending) of the article on it's author, as I belive both are salvagable.

Your assignment Mister Phelps, should you agree to step outside your area of expertise, is to assist in researching just which colleges and universities around the world make use of $30 Film School in their curriculum in teaching filmmaking, so that I can show it meet the criteria at WP:NBOOK#Criteria #4: '"The book is the subject of instruction at multiple grade schools, high schools, universities or post-graduate programs in any particular country". Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:24, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok I will first start with the author. Here's something that maybe be a valuable external link and source and I will also try to find more to add. Jhenderson 777 22:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Just to be a help here. This looks like it might be the mirror of the has been article itself. Jhenderson 777 22:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Yup, mirrors Wikipedia. oreillynet may have potential. Like hunting Easter Eggs. They're there... just takes loking. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:56, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
That's good that it mirrors Wikipedia. Then you copy and paste it on a userspace. Ther'es also a IMDb profile on him but that can only be used as a external link. Jhenderson 777 23:05, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Back to the book. And no hurry. I'm currently rescuing Paige Moss from deletion. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:07, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
When looking for sources for your book. When I find a reliable source for that book I soon find out you already have it. I would have voted Keep for your book. As for the author, I probably wouldn't say the same thing. I don't see a lot of sources proving his significance. Except that he's got Rotten Tomatoes, IMDb, Flixster profiles etc. that hardly has any information for him. But I can understand how you and the other user feels. I just recently have an article that I created nominated for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ozai (Avatar: The Last Airbender) and I am really having a hard time finding sources on that one. If you can help finding sources, that would be cool! But only if you want to. Jhenderson 777 00:37, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
When looking for sources, I want to look for character conception or reception of him. Apparently I am not finding that yet. By the way, I am recommending you inform User:Codehydro to help in your case of these articles. Jhenderson 777 15:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
I am surprised this still exists. Jhenderson 777 15:25, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
The review in Film Threat is a quite decent accolade, and allows a reasonable presumption of more. Not every film ever made was reviewed by Ebert and Roper. All one need do is look. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 16:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paige Moss

I nominated it because I looked for sources and found none. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Well, different google-foo for different people. BUt why not tag it at least and see what other's google-foo could do? Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 17:54, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Because every article I tag only gathers dust for millennia. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 19:15, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Well... glad I could do something to help. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:45, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Final Shot: The Hank Gathers Story

RlevseTalk 18:03, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Proyecto Dos

The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)


Any thoughts? Dr. Blofeld 19:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, very much, for your kind words at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Most Hated Family in America about my work on the article. Much appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 16:50, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

A challenge? Not for you, surely

Hey MQS, do you think there's an article possible for this guy? I can't really find sources, his name being somewhat common (though he's very uncommon himself!), but you know better than I where to look. If we can get a DYK out of it I would be tickled. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 19:07, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

  • What I made at User:Drmies/Christian Erickson isn't even a stub, but it's something. Drmies (talk) 19:09, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
    • Left you a present.[6] The fellow is searchable under 5 different names. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
      • Thanks! Nice. I do note, however, that you also did not find stuff to make prose out of...Is that website reliable enough? He actually doesn't live in Paris, though he lives close to it--but that's between you, me, and the lamppost. Also, his spiritual adviser is named "bunny" (and it is in fact a bunny)--I could never hope to source that. Drmies (talk) 01:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
      • Alright, I went live. I had hoped to actually give him content, and looked through all the French pages I could find as well, but nada. Hey, thanks again for your help! Drmies (talk) 01:43, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
        • I might have waited a bit before goin live, in order to get a little more in sourcing... using different search parameters... as his various characters may also have coverage. But the deed sir, she is done. I'll see what more I might get more on the fellow. Being Paris-based, the search is hampered... but I am usually the last person to abandon a search. At least now it has a decent claim toward WP:ENT. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:11, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
          • Yes, I believe you are right on two counts: should have waited, and can make a claim to notability. I found another one that might be of interest to you: Jodi Forrest. She used to live on the West Coast, only a couple of hours away from you... Drmies (talk) 02:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


If you find anything that's been deleted based in part on his interaction, where the absence of his interaction would have led to the content being retained, which you believe should be returned to Wikipedia, let me know. I'll honor all appropriately reasonable requests for restoration and/or champion DRVs as necessary and appropriate. Jclemens (talk) 04:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Some AfDs

Hi Drmies

I'm not trying to inappropriately canvass, but a number of AfDs that I've started (you can review my history) are languishing with lack of participation. If you feel like stopping by, that would be great—I don't care how you opine, but I hope that you could provide a policy-/guideline-based rationale should you participate.

Regards, Bongomatic 04:26, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Norman Osborn

I am aware that you might not be familiar with the character. But still I would like to hear your opinion about this. − Jhenderson 777 22:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Emma Tate

Hey, did you find anything on this? I honestly don't see the substantial coverage in RS, and the AfD is now on its second relist after your comment here: Cheers! --je deckertalk 00:38, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sean A. Moore


Thanks for participating in the Sean Moore AfD and others. Given that you haven't identified any basis to conclude that the subject of the article meets any of the inclusion guidelines, I think it would be appropriate for you (at least temporarily) strike your "keep" comment—especially one other editor (at this writing) has opined on the basis of your conclusion. What do you think?

Bongomatic 09:46, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

In case you missed it, my "basis" is found in Sng WP:AUTHOR, where that notability guideline states "this person has created, or played a major role in co-creating, a significant or well-known work, or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." The article itself makes this very assertion when it offers his "primary significance as a writer is for his three pastiche novels featuring Robert E. Howard's sword and sorcery hero Conan and for his novelization of the movie Kull the Conqueror," such assertion being easily verifiable. When dealing with SNGs, such verification does not itself have to be significant coverage, but like any fact must definitely be confirmed in a reliable source. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:31, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
The work must be significant or well-known. I have searched but not found any evidence of notability for any of his three Conan novels or his film novelizations. Hence, the pastiche novels he wrote are not part of the notable "collective body of work" that has been the subject of reviews. The novelization of a film version of a novel is most certainly not what is intended by "the subject of an independent film (the precedent, not derivative, novel is what is meant. Bongomatic 00:58, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

J. G. Quintel

Good job on cleanup. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 14:19, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

And thank you. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:07, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/J. G. Quintel

Wasn't just an IP but also Hullaballoo Wolfowitz, who seems to have a grudge against me. Funny how so often I have to send something to AFD just to get people to fix it. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Hullaballo may just be expressing a sense that some of what you send to AFD as "unsourcable" sometimes proves to be salvable, and then echoes the general consensus that AFD is not meant to force cleanup when there are other options. But then, we need to recognize the reality that if something does get fixed because of AFD, the project gains... and if something does not get fixed and is subsequently deleted, it's usually no big loss. On the plus side, nominating the Quintel article stopped the redirect reversion wars of the anonymous IPs (a plus) and with a bit of work we now have a decent enough stub to serve the project (another plus). But to offer reality and balance, it is easy to see that much of what you send to AFD is indeed unsalvable. :) As for me, I do have fun fixing what I can, when I can... no matter who nominates. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:04, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
What's your take on Would Jesus Wear a Rolex? Hullabadouche undid my redirect YET AGAIN for no real reason. It seems no one wants me making redirects anymore. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 04:06, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
You could actually do a quick Google news search. [7] See how easy that was? Instead of trying to redirect articles, and edit war, actually spend a few brief seconds searching for something. Notice how many newspapers talk about the song? Dream Focus 04:12, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
[EC] It may be that he looked at THIS and determined that the unsourced stub article may have an establishable independent notability and potential for improvement. You might simply ask him to fix it if he thinks it fixable. Look TPH... I like you and have found our discussions always fruitful... but with respects, sometimes it appears that your "before" is occasionally a litele lacking... with respects. And while yes, a redirect is one of the options available to us under WP:ATD, sometimes it can be best to leave an article alone for a while but simply tag it for concerns... to see what others might bring to the table. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
What good is tagging it? I've NEVER seen anyone address an unreferenced, notability or expansion tag unless it was me. Ever. People are so anal about redirects anymore; it's not like you can't rebuild the damn article yourself or — EXPAND THE DAMN THING YOURSELF. If we just let everything sit without acting on it, then we fall into an infinte loop of WP:SEP... everyone expecting everyone else to do the work, and thus freezing the project. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 04:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
As a member of Unreferenced Article Project, I might tend to disagree... but admittedly, I do my own work best at the last minute and when an article is under the gun. For instance, Show Cats: The Standard of Perfection was sent to AFD, and EVERYONE there opined a delete, complaining about its (then) current sourcing or inability to even BE sourced. But here comes MQS and his willingness to do a little work... so far turning this into THIS (opine at the AFD if you wish). Could someone else have done so? Sure. Did anyone bother? Nope... and that is the sad thing.
So the question becomes one of how to address that lack of initiative on the parts of others. Is it simple laziness? Apathy? Ignorance? Lack of ability? I agree that tagging an article often has little effect... but at least if it had been tagged without results for a week or month, a stronger case is made at AFD, and there is less inclination to toss an undeserved blame at a nominator. And too, and specially if it is a reasonable new article, tagging shows respect (even if unrequited) for the processes in place. Look at it this way... and this is a comforting philosophy (for me) that may grate a little... but Wikipedia itself knows that it is imperfect, accepts that it is itself a work in process, and unless something is a blatant volation of WP:BLP or WP:NOT, does not demand that things must be perfect right now. Again, you do terrific work... but the way to avoid frustration is to maybe slow down just a little? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:49, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of The Standard of Perfection: Show Cats

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WP:FILMS September 2010 Newsletter

The September 2010 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 04:26, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - and congrats to you, too! Lugnuts (talk) 18:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Congrats to you and Lugnuts. :-D Mike Allen 20:39, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello, Michael! I am wondering, do you support appointing Bovineboy2008 as the sixth coordinator after such close results? See discussion here. Erik (talk | contribs) 13:17, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Yup! :) Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:23, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, very much, for your kind words at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Bridge (2006 drama) about my work on the article. Much appreciated. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:04, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Film cleanup

Hi Michael - I've added a section on the co-ordinators page here. Input welcome. Lugnuts (talk) 08:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Michael, you may be interested in this link that identifies newly-created articles about films: User:AlexNewArtBot/FilmsSearchResult. One of the tasks we'll need to do is to assess each new film article in the proper class (most likely Stub- or Start-class for the most part). Some editors who created new articles may be new editors to reach out to and welcome into the fold. I'm still considering the best approach for this, such as having a more casual-sounding welcome template than {{WPFILMS Invite}}. If you have any ideas, let me know. Erik (talk | contribs) 20:14, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
This may also be useful where article creation tends to be sloppy. Erik (talk | contribs) 20:21, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
When I return home from work, I will be quite willing to begin dropping these new users some friendly notes... thanking them on their contributions and advising strongly on the importance of references in reliable sources so as to have their articles meet WP:NF or WP:BLP... and I think it would be prudent to also include (where appplcable) links to WP:TOOSOON#Films or WP:TOOSOON#Actors, a "Find sources" created for their title, and with perhaps links to some of the other various other DIY welcoming pages... plus an invitation for them to review my Newcomer's guide. Friendly enough? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:48, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Yup! :) I was thinking about your newcomer's guide especially. I was just trying to figure how much information to give them. I don't want to bombard them, and I have no idea what first impressions are like for them. Mine was way too long ago. Erik (talk | contribs) 23:37, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to say, thanks for this and this! Mike Allen 00:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Batman 3

I agree with you about the Batman 3 casting section.. but majority rules and all that good stuff and I'm not going to edit war on an incubated article. lol Mike Allen 21:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

The fact that it is incubated off of mainspace is a reason to let let it grow and evolve... and as it evolves off of mainspace, it does not require at this point the same kind of attentionor perfection it might if it were on mainspace. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 03:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Standard of Perfection: Show Cats

The DYK project (nominate) 18:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

  • Congrats on the DYK. One small problem. See CFA International Cat Show to show that the 2005 show was in San Mateo, California, not Houston. The 2004 show was in Houston. I know this because I created the article and attended the 2008 and 2009 shows in Atlanta. Chris (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Check the second paragraph here which states the event was filmed at a Houston CFA International Cat Show... not one in San Mateo. I can only then suppose it was either the 2001, 2002, 2003 or 2004 show. Time to crosscheck cats versus shows to get the exact date. Appreciating your input about the 2005 show, I see now it must have been the 2004 show (likley)... or earlier (possible). I have tweaked the article to temporarily remove the filming year, but return the correct filming location. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:25, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
    • Found it: The 2004 show per third paragraph here  :) I have now added the correct year to the article. Thanks for the good eyes. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:32, 10 October 2010 (UTC)


How do you feel about it? I see you around the wiki still, when a lot of others have left. I still watchlist a few deletion sorting pages like TV and Fiction to add my two cents when I feel like it. But, important articles seem to come up less and less (that Star Trek episode article that came up recently was more important than most, I think). I'm feeling a little bit existential (or the opposite of existential, if that's a thing) about it lately, or something. Whatev. Hope you're dong well and still getting small parts in films. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 07:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Still here... and still plugging away. I see your "two cents" every once in a while and am glad that you're still around yourself. I'm doing okay in both TV and film. I have a 10 AM set call Sunday morning to shoot a scene in Don Coscarelli's latest film. I cannot reveal the details of the plot, but it's an awesome concept, and I'm thrilled to be a part. Quite nice to work for the man behind Phantasm and Bubba Ho Tep. And then there's this TV special that will air December 5 on Adult Swim. If you can handle the Tim and Eric sort of humor, watch for me as "Winter Man". And thanks much for droping a note, as it does seem that an awful lot of others have been chased away from these pages... both established editors and struggling newcomers. Seems the sad trend that has been developing is continuing apace. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
What's the sad trend? Came here as MQS might be interested in this AfD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emily Schooley, a not-quite-notable (in my opinion) actor/actress (whichever is correct) which seems very borderline, and MQS probably might have the nose to sniff out some suitable sources. This might be canvassing, but I don't know, don't care, and think your input would be useful! Bigger digger (talk) 14:33, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

White Gold

Hi, in creating the article for White Gold (1927 film) I didn't just show that the film existed. I included a template box, citation, point of reference, IMDb a customary source when talking about casts of a film as they take their info directly from the American Film Institute Catalog. This film got no attention on Wikipedia so I created an article. I have ran across several other movie entries on Wikipedia that could be better. Each film, especially silent films, yields it's own set of problems. If it is a well known film there is a larger pool of info. If it is a lesser known film or forgotten programmer type that has been lost for decades then it sometimes is more difficult to find correct information. Usually IMDb or AFI Catalog comes through with stats but, yeah, I've run across several silent pictures with nary a word or stat about them other than they existed at one time. Its an ongoing process giving the final word on a silent film. Wikipedia being an open encyclopedia gives others the opportunity to participate thus others can make corrections or aditions to a given article if they have the information Thanks. Koplimek (talk) 11:08, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

(Sorry for the tardy response, but you had posted your note at the bottom of my userpage and not on my talk page... and I only just noticed. I moved it to the talk page and am now responding.)
I'm on your side, as my own worry is that much of early cinematic history could be lost to Wikipedia's readers simply because the coverage that common sense indicates as existing many decades ago may be now difficult to find. Toward White Gold (1927 film), there ARE existing archived news articles from 1926 through 1929 that deal with the film and which could be used to further source the film's notability. And there are also book souces that speak toward the film itself... even more helpful as showing the film has made it into the enduring record. For example, Joe Franklin's Classics of the silent screen: a pictorial treasury deals directly with this film and the rarity of existing stills, and Larry Langman's A guide to silent westerns speaks toward cast and crew, as does Anthony Slide's The idols of silence and as do many others. My note was intended only to encourage additional sourcing, as there are editors who believe that only something that made headlines in the last couple decades could be notable.... and for articles dealing with films from early cinematic history, this is simply not the case. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:21, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you.Koplimek (talk) 01:27, 31 October 2010 (UTC) I meant to add Joe Franklin's Classic's of the Silent Screen(1959; later reprinted) is a marvelous read especially for newbies embarking on silent film study and cowritten with the late great William K. Everson. Jerry Vermyle's 1985 "Films of the Twenties" belongs up there with Franklin's book as it sort of picks up where Joe left off as far as commenting on several more silents. Cheers.Koplimek (talk) 01:34, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

  • I've got it covered. SilverserenC 01:52, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The Incorrigible Dukane

Hi Mike. You're the first guy I thought of when I needed an reference for an old film. I saw The Incorrigible Dukane on new page patrol - it'd make a good DYK hook as the oldest surviving John Barrymore film, but the only ref is Imdb. (The article needs expanding to, I left a note on the article creators talk page to say all this too). Fancy the job? Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 11:00, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll be glad to look into it. Thanks for asking. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:08, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I've done what I can. I don't know if it's quite at the 1500 necessary limit, but it's probably pretty close and there's more than enough info out there to expand it a bit more. Well, that's probably the last article i'll be improving before I go on my hiatus. You have a good month, Michael, i'll talk to you again in December. Feel free to email me if there's anything you want to talk about. SilverserenC 20:07, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
  • I think it might squeak through, I'm gonna nominate it. Good job Seren, enjoy your break Dylanfromthenorth (talk) 20:25, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Without being 1500, it will not pass DYK review.... however, I have just added an image and will do some further expansion. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:04, 31 October 2010 (UTC)


I would say that this would be your best bet for plot. For now, at least. SilverserenC 22:38, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Well... that.... and the synopsis here will allow something to be created. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:39, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Ooo, nice. Why don't you just quote it in? SilverserenC 22:43, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
Long quotes are less appreciated. What I have done instead is to use information from the two to create a brief synopsis without spoilers.[8] The article is now at 2274. Safe for DYK review. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:03, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
And you caught that typo only nano-seconds before I. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:06, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILM October 2010 Newsletter

The Octoberr 2010 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 00:47, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court (1921 film)

MichaelQSchmidt: thanks much, I had checked it out earlier yesterday and for some reason it wouldn't enlarge unless you clicked two to three times. But it's fine now and the Obey The Law poster looks fine in template. I'll bet a lot of buffs didn't even know Obey The Law even existed. I've found more posters for Blanche Sweet's The Sporting Venus and D. W. Griffith's Hearts of the World and One Exciting Night. The Hearts of the World along with A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court are amongst the best lithographs I've seen. Lithographic posters are truly a lost art today. Koplimek (talk) 08:32, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

And I've just added the images for Pleasures of the Rich and His Supreme Moment. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:34, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Bangladeshi Bengali film

Dear co-ordinator now a days one sock desperately create non notable bengali film. I just intimate to you that I am also member of WP:FILM and I create many notable bengali film. In Bangladesh every year near about 80 films release. But as usual all are not notable. Local national media reports only notable film. So we cant accept all film in here. You know better. So please watch this sock. Thanks.- Jayanta Nath (Talk|Contrb) 12:54, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Palo y hueso

Hi. Can you find any further info/sources?♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:15, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


Hey I got to ask you something because it looks like I am in trouble. Does this look like a copyright infringement to here. If so like I said, I am in trouble. − Jhenderson 777 20:18, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

How can adding categories be "copyvio" if supported in both article and sources? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:27, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

That's just the latest revision I could show you of the article. The article itself right now is subjected to copyright violation. − Jhenderson 777 20:30, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Ahh... I see that you sent me the last link that still showed content. Yes, you're in trouble. Well... even if not blatant copyvio, that another editor has concerns makes it well worth addressing. Do a major re-write and trimming of your content, so that it can be seen as supported by your sources, but not directly taken FROM your sources... unless small portions are used as a properly attributed quote. Begin discussions and enlist aid from the tagging editor so that his concerns are addressed. It will be up to an Admin to remove the tag if/when issues are addressed. It looks do-able. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:34, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I already have done the discussion from the tagging editor. I hop that he could resolve it. If anything we could put it as a redirection until it's resolved. That's what it was originally. − Jhenderson 777 20:51, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Wikia used information like this. Do they have similar copyright policies. − Jhenderson 777 20:59, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Don't know, as I stay away from the various wikias. They do not have the same requirements for sourcing or notability. You might request from an Admin that concerns be immediately addressed by the artricle be reverted back to its original redirect and that the worrisome version be userfied to you for addressing the problems... with a promise that it not be returned to mainspace until it has been agreed that all current concerns have been addressed. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:16, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
And.... I have already userfied it. As for an administrator I don't know who to go to. − Jhenderson 777 21:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
As it seems reasonable to roll back to a time before the issues arose, I made a request here. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 21:39, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Thank you! I really appreciate it!!! And I might also want to know his opinion on if it really is copyrighted or not since he is an administrator and would know this. − Jhenderson 777 22:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Feel free to ask him. :) Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:11, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, the user who tagged it said it was ok for the article to be redirected. Now if only I could put it back as a article because I really want it to. Once again though I really appreciate it. − Jhenderson 777 15:41, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Film Posters

Those posters look great in place in the articles. They say 'a picture is worth a 1000 words'. Well in as far as lost films, a film poster is the next best thing in some cases. I accidentally made a wallpaper of 1921's Disraeli and it looked very good blown up that big, many film buffs have never heard of the 1921 Disraeli but they know of the 1929 talkie as it is an Academy Award winner. D.W. Griffith's movies didn't always hit in the 1920s but he had some of the best lithographic posters printed up,ie Hearts of the World. Hearts of the World and Fox's A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court are two of my favorite posters as they both use a lot of blue and blue seemed to register well in the lithograph medium. Films stayed in town only about 2 days in the silent period unless very successful they might see a week in a town at the most. So we can see why such hard work was put into movie posters to lure the public almost in a magical way to see the movie inside. Amazing you found that poster for What's Wrong with the Women?, that website Moviepostersdb, is a great resource. I have another column of film posters, some rare, some I neglected to post the first time in the list. I actually fumbled the poster-to-template for Lon Chaney's Where East Is East several weeks ago. If you're interested in templating these lobby posters feel free or you might just enjoy looking over these beauties for your own pleasure.

The posters I listed in External Links for Hearts of the World, Outside the Law (1920 film), and Way Down East are alternatives as those entries already had posters. But I thought they'd be of interest. Thanks again for your efforts Michael. I enjoy them immensely. -- Koplimek (talk) 21:49, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

The more inviting an article looks, the more likely it is to have others wish to enjoy it and the more likely that others might add to its contents. I'll look into these later and do what I can. Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Second thoughts

Actually this is not a bad idea for a separate essay! pablo 09:33, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

How about this? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I think there's probably a need for all three, although each relies on a slightly different definition of 'junk'. pablo 09:39, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Ahh... the light... specially as in "One man's trash is another man's treasure". The term "junk" is subjective, and too often used negatively. What has happened at the MFD discussion is the noisey clashing of subjective ideologies. As my own example attempts to urge, we might perhaps be just a little more careful in what we subjectively declare as junk... because with a little work, even things some originally called junk might serve the project. As for "Send the junk to Wikia"... I like the idea. It merits some thought. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:49, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
How do I convert WP:ITJ and WP:IMPROVEIT to links once in mainspace? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:50, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
#REDIRECT [[Wikipedia:Improve the junk]] etc will do the job. pablo 09:53, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Could you take care of it for Wikipedia:Improve the junk so I don't mess it up? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:57, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Done and done. pablo 09:59, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
[EC] You da bomb. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 10:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
2:00 AM here. Time for some shuteye. Thank you. :) Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 10:02, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
re up ↑there a bit ... you're defining junk as 'currently crap but improvable' whereas there's junk that is just junk and best deleted. wp:Delete the junk deals with articles that are so bad that no article and a clean start would be better. I did see one once, a stub about a person with a fairly common name that had been the target of a disgruntled associate of someone else with the same name. The history contained some really foul accusations, and (before revdel became so common) they would have been there and accessible to all until we run out of free electrons and the Big Crunch comes along to reboot the universe. Because there wasn't ever much content to the article, it was deleted and then recreated a similar (but not as bad) case is the history of Catherine Smith (novelist). Similarly if an article on a non-notable Barack Obama, say had come to light in the last few years, it would probably best to burn it before starting one on the other Barack. There is indeed a LOT of stuff that would fit best on Wikia, and that may well be Wales' master plan; he does get a few quid out of that side of the business. pablo 23:04, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
No argument, as there is surely money made by someone somewhere when something is moved out of the encyclopedia and onto one of the ad-supported wikias. Hopefully the founders will not be too overt in supporting something be moved to a wikia where it might make them money, rather than remain here and be improved over time. But as the term "junk" is subjective, I'll continue myself supporting due diligence before dismissal. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:08, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

An RfC you may be interessted in


Maybe you already know of this, I just found it and thought you may also want to add one or two things. Testales (talk) 00:52, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:09, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


I thought the article had been created by the same guy who created the hoax articles. I'll fix it right away. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Regards, --PMDrive1061 (talk) 20:17, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

It may well be deleted anyway... but maybe not. Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:20, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Possibly interessting DRV

As you have been mentioned there bascially as the one who votes always keep anyway, I thought I should let you know. I'm starting to understand that there is a reason behind that vote stat page, seems you don't hear that stupid argument for the first time. Anyway, it was a well written article but independently from whether you decide that it is worth to invest any time here again or not, I just wanted to say keep going with your great efforts in saving and improving material! Testales (talk) 21:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Folks who call me a rabid inclusionist might think a bit differently if they realized just how many times I actually urge that something should be deleted. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I do believe you emailed me...

...a little while ago, after/during the Delete the junk delete discussion. You had sent me a link to your own essay, Improve the junk. Thanks, I appreciate some of the sentiment in that second essay, as I did with the first.

Might it help a little if certain members of the ARS project (lets just say the more vocal members) didn't just turn up to vote keep, accuse everyone else of being "deletionists", leave little rationale for keeping other that to keep, topping it off with a curious edit summary that simply reinforces their intent for no articles to be deleted?

Is there really no possibility for an editor to have any other reason for turning up an AfD other than to sign up for one camp or the other ("inclusionist" or "deletionist")? I've created articles, seen some of them expanded, others rightly deleted. I've weighed in on AfDs, seen the related articles deleted or kept, sometimes I've been on the side of that debate that has been held sway, sometimes not.

I've never seen any need to do anything other than to take an article on its own merits and not simply decide it must stay or go on principle. Is there no "third way" allowed? WikiuserNI (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

And if you perhaps still think I'm a dyed in the wool, must be deletionist, a case in point. WikiuserNI (talk) 21:41, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
Yep... that note was a while ago, as I indeed respect your qualities as an editor and wished your input. And rather than as a "dyed in the wool deletionist", I see you as an "improvinist"... IE, a term best applied to any editor, who even as he might opine a keep or a delete at AFD, is actually active in creating content and has the best interest of the project in mind toward building and improving its content.
And yes, some certain members of the ARS would do well to make themselves "smaller targets"... less vocal... and more active in improving that they might wished kept... thus letting their actions speak louder than anyone else's words. And while I might opine a keep for something wished deleted, rather than just talk about potential, I try to improve such to address a nominator's concerns and have a fairly decent track record for improving the improvable.
Interestingly, as specially as I quite often opine a delete for the unsalvable... no one has ever called me a deletionist. Go figure (chuckle). Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:29, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Happy Thanksgiving!

Just drop by to wish you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving! − Jhenderson 777 15:09, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

reliable source for Spider-Man reboot

I want your opinion on this, is this and this reliable sources for the Spider-Man reboot? − Jhenderson 777 15:06, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

At the bottom of Showbizspy[9] one can see that it is a WordPress website... and with WordPress recognized as a blog builder, WordPress-built sites are seen as SPS and not as RS. As for, I cannot find anything on their website that speaks toward their editorial policies, so best to stick with sources recognized as RS. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:39, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
The one that's shown at Showbizspy is also confirmed at as well, just to let you know. − Jhenderson 777 00:38, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Just be careful, as many non-rs quote each other. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:46, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Film Posters, Seasons Greetings

Hello Michael, first off let me wish you & yours a Happy Thanksgiving and I hope Im in the right place, your talk page.(smiles) Those posters look great in place, like I said I had tried that Where East Is East and had forgotten about it. You've put a lot of hard work into posting them as well as text info. Let me commend you. I just hope someone doesn't come around and take the posters down as they are in place in 'fair use rationale'. I say cause someone removed this poster from the 1921 film Experience with Richard Barthelmess. The reason was that a banned user had uploaded it.(That poster had been in place for 'ages'!)That poster has actress Lilyan Tashman in party atmosphere in a character called 'Pleasure' as all the characters participate in an allegoric story. Sadly Experience is a lost film. I don't want you, myself or anyone to go through the trouble locating & then adding posters to Wikipedia, only to see them removed. It's a waste of peoples' time. What do you think? Let me say great work. Talk to you soon. Koplimek (talk) 20:03, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, as I am not a banned user and give a proper and in-depth fair use rationale, I am not worried that the posters will be deleted. Happy holidays. And it's always fulfilling to expand and source an article... taking it from stub to start. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:26, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

My Brother, Borat

Jagshemash! Thank you very much for your help with this article and your suggestions for using a sandbox. I like sex. Take care! FredoMurphy (talk) 00:51, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Always better to build them up off of mainspace. Fewer headaches and better opportunities for input. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:55, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Money as Debt

MQS: See you have been working on Money As Debt. Are you the one doing the "major restructuring?" If so, please let me offer my help. Assume you are also "keep" in the deletion this true? Saebvn (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I opinined a keep at this AFD and the last. If you look at the article's history,[10] you'll see that many have worked on the article. My own contributions were toward sourcing. If you wish to assist, please feel free. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:FILM November 2010 Newsletter

The November 2010 issue of the WikiProject Film newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. If you have an idea for improving the newsletter please leave a message on my talk page. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talkcontrib) 05:56, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


Hi. As you just participated in discussions on a closely related topic (also a current AfD re a Jewish list), which may raise some of the same issues, I'm simply mentioning that the following are currently ongoing: AfDs re lists of Jewish Nobel laureates, entertainers, inventors, actors, cartoonists, and heavy metal musicians. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Appreciate the notice, but I've already been there. Seeing actors and entertainers nominated popped up on my radar and my finding the others naturally followed. Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Apologies. I've tried to limit my notices to those editors who had commented on some, but not all, of the group.
I did not notice any comment by you at the heavy metal musicians AfD.
You needn't make a comment -- this is just to ensure that you are aware of the AfD. I'm only notifying editors to ensure that all editors, whatever their views, are aware of all of the related AfDs. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 10:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I saw it... and am giving thought to suggesting it be merged with a list Jewish musicians, in a subsection heavy metal. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 11:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Both of you are listed as saying Delete and Keep in a current AFD. [11] Odd isn't it? Did you say the word "delete" in any of your post? Is that a bug? It counting not just the first word, but instead throughout all of your post? Once we determine what's causing it, then do we contact the bot people to fix it, or is someone else in charge of that sort of thing? Dream Focus 18:34, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
    • Wow. Now THIS is indeed strange, as I went with "Keep" and never !voted to delete at that AFD. One of my later comments did include the phrase " matter their likelyness to !vote delete or keep...", but there should be no way that comment should somehow equate to a delete being attributed to me. Something is broken and needs to be reported to someone somewhere. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 20:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
      • I reported it at the bot request talk page, since I can't find anywhere else when I search for "Wikipedia:bot" to report it. [12] Dream Focus 00:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
        • And I now notice that the toolserver is broken, as at several other AFDs it forgets my "keep" !vote and others' entirely... and reports them only as as a "deletes".[13][14][15][16] I think the broken tool needs to be removed from all AFDs. Why would it be in place if it is not accurate? Wow! Hows long has this imaginative tool been playing fast and loose with accuracy through its mis-reporting statistics? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 09:59, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Smouldering Fires (film)

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for My Brother, Borat

Gatoclass (talk) 18:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Smouldering Fires

Hi Michael, that is splendid news and Im glad people are really enjoying it. All of your recent film posters that have put into place in template look marvelous. The Devil's Pass Key makes me almost want to phone in my DVD order, although I know the film is lost and I won't be able to see it. But I think the article will alert more to that movie , don't you think? I thank you again and wish you Happy Holidays.Koplimek (talk) 22:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

White Shadows in the South Seas

Hello Michael, I didn't realize we were passing one another. I've actually finished with sprucing up there. Getting ready for my next spate of films that I'll do articles on so I am getting mentally ready. Some of these films require research here, research there just to initiate a page so it's challenging. Also look for coming articles on silent elderly actress Ida Waterman(1852-1941) and aviator James C. Turpin(1886-1966) who was one of the Wright Brothers pilots. I wont hold you up, I'll sit back and let you go ahead with the White Shadows article. All My Best. Peace.Koplimek (talk) 04:28, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

South Sea Films

Hello again Michael, as you may have noticed South Sea oriented films are one of my favorite genre in films. This was a popular subject for filmmakers after the fighting in WW1. A lot of these type of pictures were made in the silent era. What I'd like to ask that if you run into any South Sea island themed silent features that are not on that list you see at White Shadows in the South Seas, let me know. White Shadows is one of my favorite silent movies and it's too bad the director W.S. Van Dyke had disdain for being on the shoot and making the picture, though he turned out an exemplary film. So if you know of or run into any South Sea themed silent I'd be more that glad to know. Thanks again.Koplimek (talk) 04:42, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Clyde De Vinna

thanks much, he's long needed an entry here on Wikipedia. A lucky fellow, he got to go to Tahiti twice, in 1923 for Lost and Found on a South Sea Island and for White Shadows in the South Seas. Mind you it wasn't the resort place it is today. It really was like stepping back to a more innocent environment but they were pestered by heat, mosquitos, bad water etc. Im not sure if De Vinna was cameraman for the THE PAGAN(1929 ; dir. W.S. Van Dyke). Koplimek (talk) 23:22, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

To quote the Magic 8-ball... "My sources say yes".[17][18][19][20] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:30, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Now that I looked it up after returning from Tahiti on The Pagan he and Van Dyke went to Africa for Trader Horn, then for DeVinna it was over to Hawaii for Bird of Paradise. Then it off to Alaska with Van Dyke again for Eskimo(1933. Koplimek (talk) 18:55, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

The Battle for the Marianas

Hi, thanks for the addition.
That title has been moved to the companion list, which is called List of World War II documentary films.
Varlaam (talk) 07:08, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Cool. Thank you. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:10, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Just in case you happen upon something else interesting. Cheers, Varlaam (talk) 19:06, 7 December 2010 (UTC)


You are my Wikipedia hero, you know that? SilverserenC 08:33, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

Me?? Anything special cause you to send me that appreciated smile?
Tell ya what, I need to head to bed, but it'd be great if you'd join me at Janette Luu in expanding and sourcing the article. I offer you [21] [22] [23] and [24] for contined work. Take them in sequence and expand the "career" section. Then you can be my hero as well. I see a possible DYK with the expansion. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 08:40, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
You're just my inspiration and the person I look up to on here. ^_^ I went ahead and did what I could with the article. It should have enough prose now, I think, to get it to DYK. Have fun. :3 SilverserenC 09:35, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Done. Thanks for pointing that out, I had forgotten about that. :3 SilverserenC 10:15, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
That second one has totally been stolen. Mwahahahaha. SilverserenC 10:17, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
Not stolen. A gift. Enjoy. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q.
  • So...since the AfD is closed, do you think our expansion of Janette Luu is enough for a DYK submission? SilverserenC 10:02, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
    • Definitely. Have a hook in mind? Something prhaps with her being first Vietnamese newscasster? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 10:28, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

How about...

SilverserenC 18:37, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Adding a bit and removing dates... This one perhaps? Say yes and I'll send it over.

Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:43, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

You word things better than me. :P Yeah, that sounds great. SilverserenC 18:46, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


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Mani Nouri

Yeah, I tried to find something too, but couldn't. Having said that, I'm going to work now where we have someone who speaks Farsi, so I'll ask them if they can find anything. Black Kite (t) (c) 07:16, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

A gracious gesture. Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
She says the sources given are their equivalent of imdb and/or celeb gossip sites; she reckons he's not a major name but also "I think he would be famous enough to have an article if he was British" (or American, presumably). So what we need is reliable sources, if she finds anything I'll post again here. Black Kite (t) (c) 10:31, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Clyde De Vinna

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 8 December 2010 (UTC)


Please see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Alikhezrayi. -- Cirt (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:12, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
You are welcome. Thanks for being on top of this thing and notifying me about it in the first place! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
And I added one to the SPI, as the intersections make it also appear as puppet per DUCK. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:20, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

James Patrick Stuart

Care to tell me how any of the so-called "sources" you dug up are non-trivial? All I see is not-even-a-full-sentence mentions along the lines of "James Patrick Stuart played Character X". You can't base a whole article on that! Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 02:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Walter Keane

This dude is a DYK waiting to happen. Look at the sources I added (it was one of the many unreferenced BLPs), and do a quick Google search--fascinating stuff, with a movie angle as well. Later! Drmies (talk) 06:06, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Tonight. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 16:33, 10 December 2010 (UTC) Checkmark green.svg done
Here's another unref BLP, right up your alley. I click the Big Red Button, and skip athletes and actors. Have fun! Drmies (talk) 03:08, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


Hey I was just wondering if this time I could give you an assignment. − Jhenderson 777 15:47, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, sure. :) What might I do? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 16:32, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering if you can find reliable third party sources for Stitch (character) and maybe copy-edit it more like a Wikipedia article as well. − Jhenderson 777 21:10, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
The main reason it because it could be merged. − Jhenderson 777 16:37, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Yeah... sources deal with the character in relationship to Lilo, and the Lilo and Stitch films and television releases. The Stitch article is far too long for something unsourced, and being unsourced, comes off as OR... and that's bad. It would be prudent to use a userspace to begin constructing a much shorter character article that CAN be sourced, and then merged to Lilo and Stich. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
There is a List of Lilo & Stitch characters article. But that does mean deleted images and I never like that. − Jhenderson 777 23:52, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Not neccessarily. Images used in context to text content can be used in the merged section. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:01, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
There's a few restrictions on list articles per WP:NFLISTSJhenderson 777 00:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
My suggestion was to have a more comprehensive and sourced section on both Lilo and Sticth in the Lilo and Stitch article itself... away from a simple listing... where images can then be used. I set the section and then reverted myself... but you can see where it would best fit.[26] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:21, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
That can work either there or Lilo & Stitch (film series). There is a tv series of them as well and an anime of Stitch as well. They have been adopted in quite a few media. That's kind of why I thought he was deserving of his own article, because he has been around in pop culture even when sources are hard to find to prove it. But the hardest thing is finding sources for these characters. When you try, you get a lot of Which Lilo & Stitch characters are you or unimportant stuff like that. That's why I asked for your help. Maybe you were better at it than I am. − Jhenderson 777 00:30, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Eric Lloyd

Wow, I suck at Googling... Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

I've thought the same thing about you sometimes. :) But then, my own google-foo is not always perfect. Happy Chrimbus. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:21, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Big in Mexico ...

... but is there any buzz about Hidalgo: La historia jamás contada in your part of Californ-i-a? pablo 12:42, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually yes... the director telling the story of Miguel Hildago has gotten a lot of coverage. Using the director and "Hildago" in searches: El Día de Córdoba TV Latina Noticine Télam and many, many more.[27][28] Expanding and sourcing the film should be a breeze. While it may not have much English coverage, the depth of coverage in Spanish and in Mexico is a notability lock. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:22, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I was wondering more about the film itself, if it's causing anything like the splash of Y tu mamá también a few years back. There was quite a bit of talk about that one over here before its cinematic release. Bombón: El Perro was another (I realise they are all very different films, but I'm interested in non-Hollywood pictures ... there's only so many times I can watch the likes of Bruce Willis blowing shit up). pablo 22:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


I would like more opinions on this AFD if you don't mind. − Jhenderson 777 21:02, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

endorsing pointy behaviour

Hi, Michael. I see you endorsed Feyd Huxtable's view in Colonel Warden's RfC/U. Have a more careful read of it and then read View by somewhat involved user Beeblebrox. cf MfD/Civil. Jack Merridew 01:29, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll re-read it. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Did so. Read both. I do not see the Feyd section as condoning pointy behavior, but politely explaining what might have motivated it and then urging consideration of overall contributions. I endorse it, as when an editor makes a mistake, and most specially when that editor is willing to discuss and modify his behavior, it is indeed pertinant to look at the overall positive contributions made for the project. The somewhat 'warmer" Beeblebrox response appears set to show Beeblebrox's own perception that the Feyd section was intended to condone pointy behavior. I do not see that that was what the Feyd comment was intended. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:46, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I see the condoning residing in the word “merely”. If Feyd had use a word such as “inappropriately”, he′d have a leg to stand on. Consider that Beeblebrox′s view is getting support from both detractors and defenders of Colonel Warden. Even ϢereSpielChequers is aboard, albeit with a caveat. He called it a personal attack by Colonel Warden.
You know how RfC/Us go; they get stuck in the muck. But people read it all and when the next incident lands, they will have a better grasp on the backstory. You should also see Beeblebrox′s endorsement of sgeureka′s view, and Snottywong′s “This is the source of all of our problems”. Jack Merridew 05:03, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I respect Beeblebrox... just wished his rebuttal might not have been so acrimonious. And I am not the least bit impressed with Snotty's attacking the entire ARS simply because he has issues with one or two editors who are members. That makes him part of the problem, and not part of the solution. If he really wished to eliminate drama and battlefield mentality, he would stop needling editors by his added "notice" to any AFD discussion where an ARS member may have requested assistance in its improvement through their having tagged a nominated article for rescue. That is no more helpful to civil discussion of an issue than if someone chose to post a note at every AFD where an article was tagged for refs by WP:URA, or for cleanup by WP:CLEAN.. as if any editor's wish for assistance in improving something for the project must then be automatically denigrated. Pointless needling that acts to inflame, and does not improve the project. Unneccessary. Unhelpful. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:34, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Janette Luu

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Janette Luu at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! The Interior(Talk) 20:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

  • I've got it covered. No worries. :) SilverserenC 21:05, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
No problem. ^_^ I'm going to be gone all day Thursday, 24 hour bus ride back home. Blech. Just wanted to let you know. SilverserenC 23:52, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Take a good book... or two... or stay up all night the night before and sleep through most of the trip. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:40, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Probably going to do both. Still not as bad as the trip it took to get here. That one was 32 hours. SilverserenC 02:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Not knowing where "here" and "there" are, but seeing the nasty weather coming out of the north, I can also advise you to dress warm, and bring something extra to bundle up in in case of road closures. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:52, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't mind telling you, it's not a secret. I'm currently attending Texas A&M University and I live in Nebraska. So i'm going to be heading back up there for Christmas. I sure hope none of the roads close. ._. SilverserenC 19:07, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
I have a brother who now lives in Round Rock, TX. He likes it. Just be sure and check the various predictive weather reports for along your journey. And keep warm. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Janette Luu

Materialscientist (talk) 06:04, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Tis the season

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joe Hackett

You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt K. Miller (2nd nomination) as well. Same article creator, same shaky "keep, he's a good guy, he had supporting roles" argument. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 02:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Joe Hackett's career does not match the rather more prolific one of Matt Miller. I try judging articles by what I believe their potential is for improvement, and not by the efforts of an inexperienced author in their creation. I'll be working on it. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Yet another argument for WP:PUTEFFORT. If Matt K. Miller is such a stage actor, you'd think the article's creator would've, you know, put that in the freaking article instead of not even doing the bare minimum. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 17:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes.. he... or another editor over its 4-year waiting priod. Glad to help. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 17:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
  • Good job. I guess AFDing something that's clearly notable is actually a good way to get an editor or two to get off their arse and start doing something. :D Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 21:15, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
    • No, it isn't. Trying to abuse AFD as a club to beat other editors with, trying to force other people to edit to one's own arbitrary agenda and timetable, rebounds on the abuser quite heavily. Others have been there before you over the years, and suffered the backlash. Don't do it. Don't pretend to do it. Uncle G (talk) 03:14, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
      • Seriously, I was kidding when I said that it was a good way. But what do you recommend? I can't fix all these articles myself, but 99% of the time it seems like I'm the only one on the whole project who gives a rat's ass. Maintenance templates do nothing, and I never hear a peep out of any Wikiproject I post to. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 18:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
  • And how is it that you can find all this great stuff in Google that I'm not seeing? You're ridiculously good at WP:HEY work. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 20:25, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
    Thanks. :) My real-world experience in the field is one of the reasons I have chosen to concentrate (but not limit) myself to addressing the areas of film and actor articles. Perhaps I should write an essay on WP:Google-foo to show how editors might stretch preconceptions and search in ways not usually considered in their WP:BEFORE? Sugestions? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Article rescue 2010-12-16

You might enjoy finding out about the Central and South American tradition using the handy tool ⇗ and seeing whether it is reliably documented enough to make the article less systemically biased towards El Norte. ☺ You could probably get an article on the (related) Paradura del Niño out of it, too. Uncle G (talk) 13:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Walter Keane

Materialscientist (talk) 06:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd love to help

Though I'm not too familiar with many of Daran Norris's voice roles. I don't recall much of what he's been in so far other than what his page states. Bokan

The fellow is extremely prolific... but it seems that in protecting his own privacy, he uses various spellings of his name, multiple pseudonyms, and has declined interviews... and considering that he's been active for 33 years, he's been successful at keeping a low profile. But as his career is easy to verify, I suppose the best that might be hoped is research into his wife's career where some details of his own background might be further cited. Best, Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 00:45, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Appa and Momo

I am sorry to bother you again, you must be sick of me! I wouldn't blame you but I really don't know who else to go to on problems like User:Rjanag who is a solid editor, more better than I am, but I feel but it seems like I am a victim of him sometimes starting from here. It's been a while ago since that happened but now another problem seemed to arise. I created article once but then merged it after loss of self confidance of Ozai being merged. There was a article about Appa still left, so I had an idea for him and Momo to be together since they are very similiar. Here's when I announced it but now even though the Appa article had that problem even more so in the past, he questioned their notability. But then he was more honest in the situation, here and here admitting that he was fine with the Appa article and that he thinks it's just a trick to bring Momo back. Due to this might becoming ugly I would appreciate a respected colleague like yourself to jump in and maybe resolve the situation. There's no telling with what he would do though. Probably AFD the article since this time I was involved in it. − Jhenderson 777 17:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Looks like I was spot on on the prediction of AFD. → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Appa and Momo. lol!
On a side note, I hope you had a Merry Christmas and enjoyed your gift I gave you. Although I understand if you don't want it. − Jhenderson 777 02:45, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
Santa's present is most appreciated. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Source request

Hi Michael. If you will (and have free time), could you help me find a source that states actress Betsy Russell was married to Vincent Van Patten from 1989-2001 and had two two children named Richard and Vince? I have been looking but there is no biopgrahcial details on Betsy and can't find anything when searching for Patten. I hate to have to remove it from her article (been unsourced for a long time) because I know it's true as it's on her website. Thanks. —Mike Allen 04:45, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

I'll get right on it. I am feeling my google-foo this evening. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Is NNDB considered reliable? And Rotten Tomatoes has some biographical details (but not sure where they obtained them, maybe IMDB?). —Mike Allen 04:54, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
NNDB seems generally reliable, and at least they state they will not publish information until it is verified.[29] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Marriage can be easily sourced:[30]
Daily News of Los Angeles, NewsBank, September 22, 1988: "Farrah Fawcett's one-time pal, Vincent Van Patten, is getting married. He and his girlfriend, actress Betsy Russell, will wed next June..."
Daily News of Los Angeles, NewsBank, June 2, 1989: "Actor Vincent Van Patten got married Saturday to Betsy Russell an actress The two have been engaged for nine months They were married in North Hollywood..."
San Diego Union-Tribune, ProQuest Archiver, September 7, 1993: "Betsy Russell, daughter of La Jolla investment guru Richard Russell, costars with her husband Vincent Van Patten in a new film The Break now filming in Florida..."
Wow, and I had looked on Newsbank too. The first Newsbank article says "they will wed next June". Do you think it would accurate to say they married June 1989? Thanks so much for this. —Mike Allen 05:29, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Oh, the 2nd article says "Actor Vincent Van Patten got married Saturday to Betsy Russell , an actress . The two have been engaged for nine months. They were married in North Hollywood, with a big reception at Dick Van Patten 's Sherman Oaks home. Alan Alda, Carl Reiner, Valerie Perrine, Mel Brooks and Anne Bancroft, Wayne Gretzky and Janet Jones, Hugh Hefner and Kimberley Conrad were some of the guests. The happy couple are now on their honeymoon, bicycling through Vermont." Interesting. :) —Mike Allen 05:33, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Yes... I think we've got it done. And speaking toward the kids...
The sons and their names are in Filmreference... generaly pretty reliable.[31]
Betsy being married and divorced from Van Paten, and her having "sons" (no names mentioned) is verified in an article in Music Fashion Magazine, November 12, 2010[32].
Betsy's marriage and having sons also is in Haute Living Magazine, August 26th, 2010[33]
So.. with support in RS, I would tend to accept that this non-contentious information as in her offiical website as confirmed.[34]. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:37, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
And some icing...
1st son Richard Van Patten was born March 1993, and 2nd son Vincent Van Patten, Jr. was born September 3, 1995.[35][36] Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you sooooo much! —Mike Allen 06:48, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Happy to help, as many hands make light work. Up above a bit, I told TPH that my real-world experience in the field of acting and film is one of the reasons why I chose to concentrate (but not limit) myself to addressing the areas of film and actor articles. What I'm thinking is that perhaps I should write an essay on WP:Google-foo to maybe show editors how they might stretch their preconceptions and use parameters not immediately considered in their WP:BEFORE. Now I'm not at all saying you didn't dig nicely, as you did fine not... and heck... you have the access to Newsbank that I do not. It's just that sometimes my google-foo works pretty well. Think it might be a decent idea for an essay? Sugestions? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 07:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I think that would be a great asset to the Film project (well for Wikipedia in general). I see Google has a page on search tips[37]. Maybe I should study that.. lol. I think if a result is not on the first page of a search then Google doesn't have what I'm looking for. I would think if a site is not on the first page, it most likely isn't reliable for Wikipedia? Also, I think I should AFD this page as non-notable. ;) Jokes aside, I had no idea, until recently, that you are in this video. I love that parody. :P If you don't mind, what did you do on the segment of Christmas with the Dickinsons? You would know that's the only episode I have not watched (I love me some Janice). —Mike Allen 07:34, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
Some years back, Janice had a "Christmas Special" where she and family and models went and spent some holiday time in the mountains above LA. Culminating the special, was her Christmas video, The 12 Days of Janice.[38] I got some great screen time in the "behind the scenes segment"[39] and "making of segment". Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 19:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

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Dominic Luciano

Please take a look at the page in your sandbox on Dominic Luciano. This NEEDS to be put into the system. This kid is making progress, and it doesn't matter if you have to put a stub on the article or what. Just Google his name. Your sandbox article is #1 on the list.... Please push this article through. Merry Christmas! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

There is no "pushing" anything through, as either it has the sourcing to show an accepted notability, or it does not. But yes... I will take a look. Keep the faith. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 05:37, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I understand that. However, Greyson Chance didn't meet the required notability guidelines for an article when his first showed up, and people were INFURIATED in the discussion page for him over that. Just saying, if your sandbox article on him is #1 on the list of search results on Google for him, I believe Wikipedia should understand he's notable enough to have people looking him up for information. He owns the first two pages of Google search results for his name for pete sake! I'm just asking for a little help as I know you have say around here. Thank you much, sir! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I have less "say" than you might think, being just one of the millions who edit this place... and so no more or less "say" than anyone else here. Just been here a while is all... but I appreciate the confidence. That the article has been improving now for two years as Dominic's career has grown is a good thing. What I will do now is move it to WP:Incubation so that other editors might double-check and adjust the article in preparation for a final return to main space. I admire your efforts and admire your patience. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:00, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Also, in going through the article, I found that some of the links from 2 years back are now dead. I'll use the Wayback Machine for the aqrchived versions once it's back up and running, and will be going through some searches for newer articles.[40]. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 04:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, fantastic! Yeah, I noticed some of the links were dead, and I was upset because they looked to be news articles... Thank you for your help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:40, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Merry XMAS (2010)

Merry XMAS (2010)
Armbrust is wishing you a Merry Christmas! Whether you celebrate Christmas, Yuletide, Litha, Eid, Mōdraniht, Diwali, Hogmanay, Wren's Day, Hannukkah, Kwanzaa, Lenaia, Festivus, Jonkonnu, or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone! May this find you in good health, good spirits, good company, and good finances. If any of these be missing, may God see fit to restore you in good time. Best regards! Armbrust Talk Contribs 20:03, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Matt K. Miller

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 27 December 2010 (UTC)


Reg: [BRAHMAN PUJAN] , [UNIVERSAL PRAYERS] . written by [Naresh Sonee] On wikipedia , These above two pages are far older than the present article [Brahman] References of above titles are also available on New York site - Meanwhile, Can your good selves in Wiki Indian Community re-create a precise pages on [Naresh Sonee] & his book [Brahmand Pujan] – [Brahmaand Pujan] . However, Sonee is the writer of this book [Brahmand Pujan] written in 1999 . registered with Government of India- HRRD. Details of the registration is provided here on . More than sufficient, news and reviews are there on Since 5-6 yrs, for one or the other reason pages of [Naresh Sonee] & [Brahmand Pujan] are faced by communal bias from outside India so these articles over and again get deleted here in Wikipedia for minor reasons. However, many hits of - Naresh Sonee reflects on google search engine also. So, I request Wiki Indian community to kindly come forward and generously help these two pages to grow, as I am fed up to fight my case alone here [left] and moved out long back. Meanwhile, such an important info/issue on ‘Indian literature’ which adds & spell ‘new meaning /dimension’ to Brahman -should it stay lost else ignored? Your community panel has to judge at last. Myself, will not be on Wikipedia, for the same i apologise, but- pls. help these two pages to get reinstalled, reap, sow and grow, if you too feel so, I appeal to do this munificent favour. Regards- [Alansun] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dralansun (talkcontribs) 05:12, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Dreams and Shadows and Tamarat Makonnen

Do you see any notability in these? I have just blocked the author Filmwalker (talk · contribs) as an obvious role account for Makonnen's Filmwalker Productions, but I'm not sure what to do about the articles. Do you think they are salvageable/worth salvaging? Regards (and best wishes for the New Year), JohnCD (talk) 15:24, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Safe bet to AFD both, with my blessings.
Tamarat Makonnen does not have RS coverage to meet WP:GNG and his films do not have the notability for him to meet WP:CREATIVE.[41]
Dreams and Shadows was released last October on DVD. No RS reviews. No awards. No coverage. Searches only slightly fuddled by there being a non-related book by that same name. Fails WP:NF.
Nice catch. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 18:29, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. AfD-ed here. JohnCD (talk) 15:46, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


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DYK for Skip Battaglia

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 02:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Howes (actor) (2nd nomination)

This article has been re-created. As you took part in the previous discussion, I'm letting you know that I have nominated it at AfD. (There's probably a template for this, but I can't find it. Sorry. Not often I do this.) Peridon (talk) 12:49, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Article has now been speedied. Peridon (talk) 14:09, 28 December 2010 (UTC)


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Patronizing comments at AfD's

I have no problem with you expressing your opinions at AfD's that I've either nominated or contributed to, but I'd like to respectfully request that you tone down the patronizing comments. There is no reason to link to WP:ATD multiple times, and insinuate that I'm either ignorant or lazy for not putting in the work to add sources to terribly written articles. I've been here for a little while, I am aware of and understand WP:BEFORE and WP:ATD, I assure you. Making statements like your most recent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blue's Big Musical Movie only contributes to the battlefield mentality, as if you somehow "won" a small battle by adding sources to this particular article. I don't claim to be perfect; I've patrolled hundreds of new articles in the last few days, and I'm bound to nominate a few borderline articles that end up getting kept. It's not a big deal, and berating the nominator of every AfD that closes as Keep is not helpful in any way. I'm happy that you sourced the article and I applaud you for taking the time to do so. I think we could all get along a lot better if we showed some mutual respect for one another. I'm willing to do my part towards that end. Thanks. SnottyWong express 01:02, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Having used your WP:BEFORE you would certainly have then been aware that multiple reliable sources existed that could be used to improve and source that article. I am sorry if you read my words as patronizing, but careful explanation of policy and guideline is for any who might read AFD discussions. Perhaps by patroling hundreds of articles in only a few days, you do not give yourself time to evaluate the true potential of each. We all "win" and the project is improved if we take a little time ourselves to fix things. We may never see eye-to-eye on what it takes to improve the project, but thank you for acknowledging that I was able to fix this one. I am not always successful, but at least I try. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 01:18, 30 December 2010 (UTC)