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Your GA nomination of The Black Island[edit]

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Congratulations on another successful GA, Midnightblueowl! Prhartcom (talk) 00:44, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Tintin (character)[edit]

Hello Mignightblueowl! Well, I learned today that I need to change the tone of this article to be more encyclopedic. Lesson learned. I may have to resubmit for FA again someday but for now perhaps this current submission can be saved--if I make that correction immediately. I see that you have started your improvements already. Earlier I had asked you for some material from Peeters, and that would be great, but adding new material is no longer a high priority, getting the prose corrected is. Thanks for any thoughts you have. Prhartcom (talk) 22:22, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey Prhartcom; yes, I've just seen that you started the FA process (I actually started making additions before I saw it). The tone will have to change – maybe part of the issue is that you have relied quite heavily on Farr, and his use of language is thoroughly un-encyclopedic, and regularly expresses his own subjective opinions as if they were objective fact. Truth be told, I think that Farr is perhaps the worst Tintinologist to use; he's prolific in writing, but the quality of what he rights is not brilliant (in my opinion). I'm not always the best person to rely on when it comes to changing prose; I will focus on adding information (not just Peeters, but Assouline, and multiple other sources) if I may. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:30, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes, thank-you for that observation, and you are right. I must excise that tone of Farr's immediately. Thompson's too. Of course, Farr's Tintin & Co. is a major source of material as that book's focus is on the characters. Please, do continue editing the article yourself as you are making the kind of improvements it needs. I am anxiously awaiting my chance to edit the article for tone when you are done. Prhartcom (talk) 22:36, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to sound like a right old biddy here, but I will stress "patience... patience", Phartcom. :p Articles like The Adventures of Tintin and Tintin (character) are very complex to produce to a standard where they will be acceptable for GA or FA. They take a lot of time, and a lot of hard work. And when I say a lot, I mean a lot. I am not going to be able to rush the Tintin character article, because the information that needs to go into it is scattered across a huge range of literature, from papers in academic journals, to biographies of Hergé, to psychoanalytical studies, to the pop-lit of Farr and Thompson. Accessing and then reading through that all takes time, and I have other Wikipedia articles that I like to add to, alongside a huge array of real world stuff to do. Producing an article like Tintin in the Land of the Soviets or Popol Out West has been (comparatively) simple, because all of the information on that subject is usually contained within a select group of pages, often next to each other, within any given book. With a subject like the character of Tintin, that simply isn't the case, and important information is scattered widely, even within a single given publication. The Tintin that appears in Soviets is a very different character to that which appears in Secret of the Unicorn, and a fundamentally different one from that appearing in Alph-Art (part of the problem with Farr is that he has a tendency to ignore this temporal variation, instead constructing a normative view of Tintin); for this reason I have to read through all of Peeters, all of Assouline, or Apostolides, and of a variety of other sources in order to ensure that I have all the information required. So without wanting to sound like a hindrance or be disheartening, I really should stress that if we are going to do this the right way, then this is going to take time. Months, probably. But such is the nature of the Beast. Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I like it when you're a right old biddy. :D Your advice is wise and sound, Midnightblueowl. As long as the article is improved, I am for it. I am happy to see you have made more improvements to the article (thank-you!) and, even better: I see why they are an improvement. So maybe there's hope for me, yet. :-) I love good grammar, correct sourcing, consistency, and crisp, interesting writing. But I see now that I have been weak at getting the right "encyclopedic tone". That's okay, I believe my lesson is truly learned. I will probably get better with practise. Besides, all of us are occasionally weak at something, right?  ;-) Please know that I will be forever appreciative of your library and your experience, and for that matter, the experience of every good person I recently met during this FAC. I feel compelled to mention: I know you have a lot of projects here at Wikipedia going on at once. You know I am proud of your accomplishments. But of course you know also that if you are busy I may not wait for you or take any cue from you. You say it may take awhile, that is fine; but let's not take the rest of our lives. This project belongs to all of us. Let's see if you and I and hopefully others can get a lot done on Tintin this year! I may be busy in real life, but not as busy in other article topics as you, so I feel like I will probably be the one to eventually bring this article to FA, the other nine character articles to GA, and the main article to FA in the end. I would be very happy to co-nominate any of those with you! That would be the ideal! In the meantime, feel free to edit as much Tintin (character) as you can and drop me a line about tasks or a quick status or request or anything at all. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 05:09, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hello Prhartcom; I wrote my last comment fairly late last night, and I may well have been a little too pessimistic. It probably won't take months. A months, perhaps. But I would stress patience, as I really think it important that we do it right. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:00, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
I appreciate your update, and I agree that we can complete this Tintin (character) article before the month is out, with the two of us working. It's almost there, I believe. Good to be working with you again--mutual respect. Prhartcom (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Hi, quick questions please:

  • I have added Assouline and Peeters books to the bibliography, as they were cited but not yet referenced. Now all citations point to bibliography items without error except one: The sentence mentioning Joseph Kessel cites "Farr 2012 p.34". What is that, is it an error? Is that the source that mentions this new name Joseph Kessel?
  • I see some places where your new prose may need copy editing. Do you mind if I make the corrections myself? (I have been respectfully avoiding editing any prose until you say you have reached a point of completeness.)

Please feel free to continue editing until you feel that you have improved what is needed, and thanks. Prhartcom (talk) 05:55, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Update: Hello! I have just read the article in its current version and I must say it is looking good. I particularly like the new "Early history" section; it has the right amount of interesting detail. And of course, thanks again Midnightblueowl for your library and your extraordinary prolificacy and the honor to work with you. I am so glad the article's Bibliography now contains the works of Assouline, Goddin, and Peeters in addition to the Thompson, Lofficier, and websites. A wonderful completeness is coming together for our Tintin (character). Looking very good. Prhartcom (talk) 16:31, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Update: Please let me know the answers to my two bulleted questions above. Thanks. Prhartcom (talk) 16:10, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey there Prhartcom, sorry I hadn't seen this before for some reason. By all means edit my prose, I was mostly just trying to get referenced information down. As for the reference to "Farr 2012, p. 34", I can't find it in the article any more, but I suspect it was probably a mistake on my behalf and should be "Peeters". Sorry about that. I hope to look through Apostolides and a few other sources tonight. Midnightblueowl (talk) 17:04, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Thank-you; there are no citation errors now; the error had been at "his younger brother Paul, who had a round face and a quiff hairstyle"; please verify that is sourced in Peeters 2012 p=20; correct article if necessary.
Thank-you Midnightblueowl, I will copy edit soon; please feel free to continue adding referenced information to Tintin (character) until you feel you have completed doing so. Prhartcom (talk) 21:08, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Greetings![edit]

Apropos of nothing, I've just noticed that I'm a single edit behind you on the all time list! I'm not sure we've ever worked together, but the quality of your edits is quite impressive. Magnificent work. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 01:33, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind words, Gareth E Kegg; it seems that we haven't crossed paths before, but maybe we will in the future! All the best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 11:42, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Peer review[edit]

Since you and I seem to edit the same articles (or at least, the same topics), I would like you to comment at the peer review for the Communist Party of China article.. Since the article probably has many bugs, it would be nice to have another eye looking at it. Anyhow, thanks. --TIAYN (talk) 21:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Sure thing, TIAYN. Give me a few days, as I have quite a lot on my plate at the moment, but I shall endeavour to get around to it as soon as possible. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


Karl Marx[edit]

Hi. I reverted your recent reversion of Karl Marx. I did this for two reasons: first, the notion that "prose broken up in an odd way' is sufficient to change does not hold, and secondly, while the prose might be broken up in an 'odd way' it is still clearer and more concise than the previous version. This is not to say that the new revision cannot, or should not be edited. Indeed it should. This is to say that simply reverting is not editing. If you want to fix the newer version, please do so. But going back to the older, less clear and muddled version isn't improvement. TreebeardTheEnt (talk) 17:30, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jack Parsons (rocket propulsion engineer)[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Black Island[edit]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Congratulations to User:Midnightblueowl for extraordinary prolificacy! Prhartcom (talk) 00:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Prhartcom; the GAR was much appreciated. Will focus on the Tintin (character) article this weekend; am at work atm, so I should get off of Wikipedia! Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

My first barnstar to you, and my chance at last to return the honor you have bestowed upon me. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 16:36, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Tintin's birthday[edit]

~~ Happy 85th Tintin's birthday ~~ Prhartcom (talk) 07:20, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

And to you Prhartcom! Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:03, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

RE: free use images of Jack Parsons[edit]

I am delighted with the progression of the article. I was reading Carter's biography the other evening and noticed in the appendix that he attributed a number of photographs featuring Parsons to JPL (which allows non-profit use of any of their material without permission). The one of Parsons standing above the prototype JATO canister would be a much preferable main image for the article than the current copyrighted one. Frustratingly, I cannot find this image in any of NASA/JPL's websites or archives, though there are reproductions of it on other websites. Perhaps I could get a note of permission from someone at NASA/JPL if I sent them a polite enough email? That said, the famous "Rocket Boys" image from 1936 is available: [1] which I will upload to the Commons when I have the time. (Or you can!) JJARichardson (talk) 22:25, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello there JJARichardson; you caught me just as I was about to sign off. Thank you so much for helping out over at the Jack Parsons article. I was thinking that maybe after it gains its GA status, we could put it through to FAC as a joint nomination ? I must admit to not being particularly well versed in all the issues surrounding the copyright statuses of images, but if you're confident that JPL images are indeed free to use, then I think that that would be an excellent idea. The trouble with sending an email to JPL is that it would be difficult to prove that you had genuine permission, and some Wikipedia editors might call you up on it at a later date. Is the image that you would like to use actually in the Carter biography; and there, does it explicitly say that the copyright is from JPL ? If that is the case then we could probably go ahead and upload it from a different source no problem. Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:42, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

I would be very happy to nominate the article for featuring with you if the GA nomination is successful. There are, however, some more details I feel need adding. I particularly refer to detail on Parsons' "Oath of the Antichrist" in which he identifies himself as the embodiment of the the entity "Belarion", and the prophecy that Thelema would overtake American society if he lived seven years after it. (Sorry for the delayed response, I've been busy with academic work). JJARichardson (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Update: the "Rocket Boys" photo was already on the Commons, and automatic metadata shows that the JATO photo of Parsons is free use. Hurrah! I have also added the details on his "Oath of the Antichrist", which you are welcome to improve the wording of if needed. JJARichardson (talk) 23:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Jack Parsons (rocket propulsion engineer)[edit]

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I am adequately satisfied with the article for us to make an FA nomination. JJARichardson (talk) 15:59, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Hey JJARichardson; sounds good to me. Want me to initiate the nomination, and then stick both of our names on it ? Midnightblueowl (talk) 16:01, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that would be appreciated! I will be happy to contribute to improving the article if any suggestions are made, though. JJARichardson (talk) 16:04, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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Aleister Crowley[edit]

I have been bold and nominated Aleister Crowley's article for featuring. Unfortunately, there are some reference formatting errors that are preventing it from being passed which I didn't notice at first. You have done a lot of work on the article so I figure you'd appreciate it if I informed you, but I may withdraw my nomination if needs be. JJARichardson (talk) 23:13, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

RE: Jack Parsons[edit]

Hello User:Midnightblueowl. I assume you will have noticed my further expansions of Parsons' article, and hope you approve of them. I have also expanded the article's intro slightly; my rationale for this is to follow the example of L. Ron Hubbard and Kenneth Anger's articles, which have leads with comprehensive detail but are not excessive (not requiring the reader to scroll to finish reading them). I hope the FA nomination will advance more soon? JJARichardson (talk) 20:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi JJARichardson; I've seen the added images – fantastic! I haven't noticed any prose changes, but I'll look at them. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:24, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Adventures of Totor[edit]

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A friendly word[edit]

Hi, Midnightblueowl (or may I call you MBO?). I like what you're doing on WP, I like the credo on your userpage. I've been around the encyclopedia about the same amount of time as you, though I work in different areas so our paths won't normally cross. However, if from time to time you need a detached eye on any of your projects, do call me, I'll always help if I can . Brianboulton (talk) 19:41, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Brian; yes, of course you may use "MBO" – it's a lot quicker! Thanks for your offer, and if I can ever aid you, please let me know. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 10:50, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you!![edit]

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Golden Lollipop Award[edit]

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Erm.... thanks MaoMao. I'm guessing that this isn't a particularly serious award. Midnightblueowl (talk) 19:26, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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The quality of your reviewing[edit]

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That's probably a fair criticism of my review, Fifelfoo, and in hindsight perhaps I should have expanded on my reasoning there. As you can see from my other GAR and Peer Reviews, I am usually a lot more thorough. The reason why I offered such a quick review was that it seemed like a clear open-and-shut case. Not only was the GA nomination placed in the wrong category, but the nominator had ceased to be a Wikipedia editor shortly after nominating the page. Even a cursory scroll through the article shows that it fails to fit GAC on almost every point. But, once again, I do think that you are right, and I should have explained myself better on this particular issue. I applaud your diligence! Kind regards, Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
No worries at all! Even for the worst article if often helps to direct editors to improve one thing in particular. Given my background I always prefer verifiability and lack of OR as a foundational criticism of an article. Remember, you're not just reviewing for the editor who nominated and ran, but for a community of editors who now might have a new aspiration to improve to GA status. I agree, though, that with an article with significant and thorough-going problems it may be easy to note that, and then suggest, "While there are many problems, this article would be most improved by focusing on Writing Quality." I read your review of Wicca, which was a decline, and I wouldn't expect you to even put that level of work into an article like Libertarianism. Many thanks for your work supporting Good Articles! Fifelfoo (talk) 00:46, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

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Please Avoid Wholesale Edits[edit]

Regarding Germanic neopaganism, your help is welcome, but must you make wholesale changes unilaterally? If you examine the talk page, for example, we discussed the "heathen" pagan issue at length, so why did you insert the "heathen" word dozens of times in the article? Many British people use "heathen" for the movement, but in American English the word is used as an insult for the "non-religious" or profane.

Also, using Dr. Harvey's work repeatedly is not good style. Diversify!

--ThorLives (talk) 20:21, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, ThorLives. Regarding the issue of "Heathen", I was in the wrong, and I've begun to correct my mistake on the issue (so, sorry about that one!). Regarding the use of Graham Harvey (who is, to be fair, a major academic in the field of religious studies, being current President of the British Association for the Study of Religion), I was simply adding information from his work prior to moving on to adding information from other academics (i.e. Jenny Blain, Michael Strmiska, Egil Asprem etc). So I apologise if I gave the impression that I was only intending on using Harvey, because my real intention is to go through and fill this article with academically-referenced material from the widest possible range of scholars on this issue. Your input, however, is much appreciated. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 20:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I see your point about Harvey, but to my knowledge he has only one published chapter on Germanic Religions. I met him some years ago, and I had the distinct impression that has main focus was "nature religions."

Thanks for being agreeable on the heathen point. With that generous concession on your part, I think we can work together to strengthen the article.

--ThorLives (talk) 23:27, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree that Dr. Harvey's emphasis is certainly on Nature Spirituality, ThorLives; he made that abundantly clear in a recent interview. But, as an academic source, I still think that we should use his work as a reference in this article, so long as we accompany that with other academic sources, and of course, some of the better practitioner volumes. Best, Midnightblueowl (talk) 23:36, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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Germanic Heathenism[edit]

Hello Midnightblueowl! You have done a great work in reconstructing the article! Just a few advices for further improvement:

  1. As I see, your latest revision has been already modified, leaving an inconsistent terminology throughout the article: "Germanic neopagan" or "Heathen". As I have exhaustively written in the talk page, "Heathen"(-ism/-ry) is the best choice, since it's used both in the academia and by practitioners (both European and American), while "Germanic neopaganism" isn't used.
  2. The lede should be made clearer in accordance to the point above: at the moment it shows an unorganised list of terms, of which the only comprehensive one is "Heathenism", the other ones being localised varieties. I think this or this versions were clearer.
  3. I think Theodism should be mentioned in the "denominations" chapter. It's not covered in academic material but it has been mentioned by various "important media" due to the political activity of Dan Halloran.
  4. The "in the media" chapter should be moved to the external links, or removed.

Good work, --Bhlegkorbh (talk) 19:27, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, Bhlegkorbh! Midnightblueowl (talk) 13:34, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

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RE: Jack Parsons[edit]

Greetings User:Midnightblueowl. I hope you approve of the work I have done to Parsons' article thus far. I would say that I have addressed most of the issues cited in the FA review. However, User:Victoriaearle's concern that more sources should be referenced needs to be dealt with. I have incorporated some of those she kindly provided, but will admit that my skills are not the best in terms of formatting book citations for automatic referencing, as in the referencing structure for the whole of the article you built up. I wonder, when you have the time, if you could look into incorporating the additional book/article citations Victoria provides in the appropriate way? Regards. JJARichardson (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Scratch that, I've incorporated the references myself. Thanks for providing the structure. JJARichardson (talk) 20:26, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Hey JJARichardson; sorry I haven't got back to you sooner - it's been a hectic week, and I haven't really had time to do anything on Wikipedia. Well done on the additions! Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:30, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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Uncle David[edit]

Hi Midnight, just letting you know there seems to be some sort of problem with the FAC page, that means that some comments do not appear when one opens it at WP:FAC, but are only visible when one opens Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Uncle David/archive3 itself. Very odd. Anyway, I've left a couple of queries there, in the context of an overall support, and hope you will take a look. hamiltonstone (talk) 21:40, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Much appreciated, hamiltonstone! Midnightblueowl (talk) 09:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Incidentally, I commented there too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:50, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Again, much apprceiated Cas Liber! Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:08, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Dammit! Archived? *sigh* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeh, it's frustrating, Crisco 1492. Really puts me off going through FAR really... Guess I'll be sticking largely to getting articles into GAR in future. Midnightblueowl (talk) 14:26, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
  • It's partly a matter of getting to know reviewers, and (once you know one or two really good ones) asking them to help at peer review. It's usually tit for tat (a review for a review, essentially, though don't expect them to always support if you go straight to FAC!) but it's certainly worth the effort. When I'm finished expanding D. Djajakusuma, I will probably end up pinging some of the reviewers who regularly help me to help polish the prose before FAC. This will mean reviewing some of their articles too, of course, but that's not a big problem (and it helps me learn about the world). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:05, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

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Just started with the lead, have left it at that while people take a look and, if no-one has any objections, I will carry one tomorrow, or later tonight if I get a quick reply :¬) Chaosdruid (talk) 20:44, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Castro Image[edit]

Despite the quality of the image, the subjects face can be seen much more clearly on the alternative image. Feel free to take this point to the consensus board. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giovanosky (talkcontribs) 11:29, 20 April 2014 (UTC)