User talk:Midnightdreary

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Note: My discussions can be unpredictable. Leave me a message here, and I'll usually respond here (though I might just respond on your talk page instead). If you would like to discuss a specific article, I would feel comfortable using the talk page of that specific article to encourage others to join in. Note that you are also welcome to email me (using the "email this user" link) but I may be slower to respond. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing the mistake[edit]

May we talk this out please? The first picture I honestly mistaken took off the internet, but the new(2nd) one I have been added is my picture I took last Saturday at the cottage. please help work with me I just want my picture to be a part of the page, I am a big fan(Jackheart314 (talk) 18:37, 13 March 2015 (UTC)) I add another paragraph to Poe's cottage I hope now you will allow my picture of the rocking chair to stay up. thank you! (Jackheart314 (talk) 18:11, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

This edit was a mistake - I meant to check The Fall of the House of Usher & add there if it hadn't been & ended up in the wrong article. Sorry about that. Very nice work, btw, on the Poe pages. It's nice to see at least some of the American short stories in good shape. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:21, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

No worries; I assumed it was just an error and nothing malicious. And thanks for the kind words on Poe pages. Hmm... if you're looking for a project, I'm hoping to find a collaborator to bring Nathaniel Hawthorne back up to GA status (if not FA). --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:29, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
I might be interested, though I'm trying to stay away from biographies for a while. I'm trying to clean "Young Goodman Brown" at the moment, and have had The Scarlet Letter watched for ages but haven't had the courage to work on it. I'll add Hawthorne's bio to my watchlist and have a look at it. Certainly, in my view, it's better for the important author bios to be at GA or FA, but getting them there is a bear. Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:36, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Good luck! I took The Scarlet Letter off my watchlist years ago because I couldn't handle all the vandalism. Let me know about the Hawthorne article; it's in fairly good shape now (at least, the biographical section) but needs help mostly in the sections on writing, style, and response. It was removed as a GA because of that, I believe. --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:38, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
The biography is in good shape and the criticism shouldn't take too much work, so yes, I think I might be interested. I'm traveling at the moment and about to be snowed in for the next day or two, but will see what I have for books on Hawthorne when I get home - or order some from the library. I'll let you know (or you'll see me working on the article .... ) Truthkeeper88 (talk) 22:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Ingram and other stuff[edit]

You are certain of this? I think it likely that it got muddled somewhere, there is a strong connection between Ingram and the Poes: "Marie Louise Shew Houghton, who had nursed Virginia Poe during her last sickness at Fordham and had watched over Poe as he suffered a long and violent attack after Virginia's death.—[1]", had sent much of the material that Ingram was using to rehabilitate Poe's reputation - including Viginia's letters. Both of these people seem pretty important to the backlash against Griswold's characterisation, but the story of this is missing here. His efforts were quickly surpassed by American scholars, which he was not, but it seems the facts concerning Poe were initially consolidated by him.

I've also noted a missing fact from Ingram's The Raven; with literary and historical commentary at Talk:The Raven#Pike, and there is more that could get a mention in that same work.

Is it okay to prod you about these things as they come up? I figure you have a big investment and access to refs already in the article. cygnis insignis 23:07, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

To answer your first question, the letter with Ingram as the recipient was definitely suspicious. Poe wrote it to George W. Eveleth in 1848. As I recall, Shew isn't considered credible, nor Ingram for that matter, which may be why they're not well reflected here. Perhaps it's worth remedying. As always, good sources make for good additions. --Midnightdreary (talk) 00:07, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Is Miller's article 'credible'? It contains many things that support what I noted as "important", especially regarding Ingram: establishing facts later swiped by american scholars, popularizing his works with his editions, receiving encouragement and papers from surviving friends, and the "story" of his library.
Isadore ... Well! you have heard of it now :-) Do none of your sources mention it, or do they contradict what Ingram noted as part of the 'Genesis' of the poem? cygnis insignis 00:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
What "Miller article" do you mean? I'm not sure I know what your first paragraph about refers to. As for "Isadore", I don't recall ever coming across it. Then again, I haven't specifically looked for it. --Midnightdreary (talk) 00:39, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
The article linked in the quote, John Henry Ingram: Editor, Biographer, and Collector of Poe Materials by John Carl Miller, I think it worth reading. Isadore is also linked to, and has Ingram's note linked from it. I wonder if you might skim the indices of some later refs to see if any of this is mentioned, sometime anyway. cygnis insignis 00:51, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Ina Coolbrith[edit]

I see you are working on the Joaquin Miller article... good work! I find it strange that there is not one mention of Ina Coolbrith there, but Miller looms large in her bio. Quite unequal, don't you think? Binksternet (talk) 02:59, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm getting there! The problem with Miller (besides being an obvious pathological liar) is that there are no sources from the past fifty years so it's not easy to find stuff. --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:06, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Some of his attraction may have been his larger-than-life lying ability. Foisting his half-breed daughter on Ina Coolbrith was a loser maneuver, I think. He's a quirk, for sure. If you want a modern photo or two, I live minutes from Joaquin Miller Park in Oakland, the late-life home he purposely misspelled as "The Hights" out of sheer cussedness. Binksternet (talk) 03:26, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm surprised his larger-than-life lying ability isn't still drawing people to him today. Granted his poetry is rather banal but I'm finding his life story fascinating. If you ever make it by The Hights, feel free to grab a photo or two - I'm curious myself about its current condition. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:54, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Some Words[edit]

I swapped back "References" for "Footnotes" in the section heading over at "Some Words with a Mummy". I hope it doesn't seem arbitrary, but articles on other Poe works use "References". Might as well keep it standard? --Midnightdreary (talk) 03:20, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

No worries - I understand about consistency!--Npd2983 (talk) 03:22, 12 May 2011 (UTC)


I don't see the "e-mail this user link" - where is it, please? 36hourblock (talk) 21:18, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Go to a user page and you should see a link "E-mail this user" on the tool box to the left. You can always just leave a message on the user's discussion page as well. --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:57, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

It's not there; not that I can see. Now I'm curious to find it. 36hourblock (talk) 20:59, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm looking at it on mine, no problem. It could be because the "toolbox" is auto-closed and you might have to click it to expand the menu. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:57, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

All I guess is that my Username is under some kind of restriction, or my personal information is not setup to engage in e-mail exchanges. Here's what I show at "Toolbox"

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36hourblock (talk) 18:31, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry but...[edit]

Need refereces this article.--Botedance (talk) 11:07, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

That article has already passed the Good Article criteria. You'll have to be more specific about your concerns. --Midnightdreary (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2011 (UTC)

File:W&Jstatues.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:W&Jstatues.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

MOS Oblong etc[edit]

My bad, sorry, I use an external editor and it transposes " as '' sometimes. Great job on the Poe articles.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 13:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for adding the back up source for that info. I have a personal/professional issue with the work of John E. Walsh so I get skeptical! --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:28, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
I hear you, I actually had a personal/professional "encounter" with him back in 1995 (unrelated to this of course) that made me lose any respect for him as well (and anyone who fosters the victim mentality), I was actually surprised that he was the author, but it did provide a good quote that is easily checked. It seemed disingenuous that he listed Poe as a "coauthor" on that piece, but not surprising.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 16:13, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I think you can help me![edit]

Hi Midnightdreary! I want to post something about the poem "The Road Not Taken." I saw your "The Raven" article and found Featured article criteria, which suggests using "a thorough and representative survey of the relevant literature. Claims are verifiable against high-quality reliable sources and are supported by inline citations where appropriate." I can find plenty of analysis on the "The Road Not Taken" poem, but I would rather base my post on the more respected books/writings on the topic. I haven't studied poetry formally so I don't know what these might be. I'm hoping that you can get me started and list a few of the "the relevant literature" and "high-quality reliable sources" in the poetry field that might discuss "The Road Not Taken." Thanks! Cody. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Codydakin (talkcontribs) 20:03, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

It is definitely a worthwhile undertaking, so I wish you luck with it! I'm not sure how helpful I will be, as Frost is just outside my particular scholarly interest (I don't delve outside the 19th century). Still, the best place to start is whatever books are readily available on Frost. From there, you might find other analyses in specialized academic journals. Avoid textbooks. Best of luck! --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. I'll check the Robert Frost article to see whats used there. Cody — Preceding unsigned comment added by Codydakin (talkcontribs) 14:56, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Nathaniel Parker Willis[edit]

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Nathaniel Parker Willis

Nathaniel Parker Willis (1806–1867) was an American author, poet and editor who worked with several notable American writers including Edgar Allan Poe and Henry Wadsworth Longfellow. He became the highest-paid magazine writer of his day. For a time, he was the employer of former slave and future writer Harriet Jacobs. Born in Portland, Maine, Willis came from a family of publishers. He developed an interest in literature while attending Yale College and began publishing poetry. After graduation, he worked as an overseas correspondent for the New York Mirror. He eventually moved to New York and began to build his literary reputation. In 1846, he started his own publication, the Home Journal, which was eventually renamed Town & Country. Shortly after, Willis moved to a home on the Hudson River where he lived a semi-retired life until his death in 1867. Willis embedded his own personality into his writing and addressed his readers personally, specifically in his travel writings, so that his reputation was built in part because of his character. Critics, including his sister in her novel Ruth Hall, occasionally described him as being effeminate and Europeanized. Despite his intense popularity for a time, at his death Willis was nearly forgotten. (more...)

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Nathaniel Parker Willis[edit]

Hi. I made two small comments at WP:ERRORS. If you're around, I'd be grateful for your views. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) 12:37, 23 November 2011 (UTC)


I noticed the changes to the R. W. Emerson navbox, and I was hoping you could give me some advice regarding when to use quotes and when to use itallics. I've done 40+ navboxes, and I want to make sure they're all as good as they can be. Some of my navboxes, like Template:Robert Burns and Template:Emily Dickinson only feature poems, while others, like Template:Matthew Arnold and Template:John Dryden list both poetry and prose. Any guidelines you can give me would be much appriciated, as I intend to do many more navboxes.--INeverCry 16:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Stay true to Wikipedia's manual of style section on titles and you'll do fine: MOS:TITLE. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:11, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response.--INeverCry 17:56, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
In looking at WP:MOS, I see that quotation marks are recommended for essays and short stories along with short poems. I guess I'll have to change the Emerson box and almost all of my other ones. Any thoughts?--INeverCry 17:13, 26 November 2011 (UTC)
I think essays are generally in quotes. With that said, however, if you notice that most books about Emerson list, say, "The American Scholar" as The American Scholar, maybe that's the way to do it. --01:41, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
I'll just leave well enough alone.--INeverCry 03:48, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Concord Hymn[edit]

I've corrected the rotation of the image (and of the other one, even though, strangely, that thumbnail came out right at first). --dave pape (talk) 14:20, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Looks great - thanks for taking care of it. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Leaves of Grass[edit]

Cover of Whitman's own personal 1st ed copy of Leaves of Grass

I thought you might be interested in this.--INeverCry 21:12, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Without a doubt, this is interesting! Thanks so much! --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Here's a couple others: E.A. Poe facimile letter: File:E A Poe Letter.jpg; Whitman at 36 :File:Walt Whitman at 36.jpg. I'm going back through some of my earliest Commons uploads and cleaning them up.--INeverCry 01:39, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Poe's politics[edit]

As I mentioned, Baudelaire interpreted Poe on democracy and socialism and the ideology of progress in the same manner (see his "Further Notes on Edgar Poe") and it certainly was not because he wanted to assassinate his character. Nor do I see anything defamatory about ascribing those opinions to Poe; in fact, I find them quite sensible and prescient. As Meltzer notes, Poe's views were formed at a young age and consistently held throughout his life. I don't think too many biographers would dispute that Poe was an aristocratically-minded pessimist and those views are consonant with such a personality. Again, unless you provide evidence to the contrary, I see no reason to believe he was being "humorous" or "ironic" when he denounced democracy and reform-cranks. Meltzer was a legitimate historian and I don't think his target audience impugns his scholarship, especially since many adolescents and teenagers are interested in Poe, but if you want another contemporary scholar with a similar assessment, there is also Charles A. Coulombe. I can find exact page numbers etc. later but to me, the Brooks quote more than adequately sums up Poe's views. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gobineau (talkcontribs) 15:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Please do. Multiple sources would definitely add some heft against my WP:UNDUE argument. However, I must ask that you refrain from making this personal. Your most recent edit summary bordered on a personal attack. Please don't make this a "me vs. you" kind of situation; I'm only concerned about the integrity of a high profile, recognized featured article. Again, evidence would be helpful that comes from something other than a satirical work of fiction (unfortunately, vague references to other people like Baudelaire and Coulombe are not helpful here). --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Real Love[edit]

For all your work on Poe's works, we really love you, Midnightdreary.



Best wishes.-- (talk) 19:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Poetry[edit]

Hi Midnight, I was looking at the Poetry Project's archives and I saw that you were one of the main contributors. It's gone into hibernation in the last few years. I wondered if you could give me some of the background on its history - if it all fizzled out or there was some big contretemps. I know that some main poetry contributors were banned at one point. I've been around for a few years but I don't really know how projects run; are they usually led by admins? The Wikipedia landscape seems to have changed so much over the last five years. Any thoughts appreciated. Span (talk) 15:23, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

It's never been particularly active in group efforts, so far as I recall, and really just provides a forum for individuals looking for feedback. I'm sure people are still contributing to poetry articles but maybe not expressing much of it on the Poetry Project page. --Midnightdreary (talk) 20:10, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
OK. I was just wondering who might have been involved in taking a lead in it back in the day, with drives and initiative as things. Your name came up. I'll ask around. Best wishes Span (talk) 01:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Again, I'm not sure what sort of "things" anyone ever took the lead in. We weren't really involved with group projects that required leadership. --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Edgar Allan Poe's family[edit]

Hello, I thought you might like to talk about the question of Edgar Allan Poe's family background. I can understand that you don't want to have any claims that mightn't be 100% true, so I've re-drafted it there to put the emphasis on the fact that there were stories current among the Poe family themselves and their friends of their Irish heritage (and relationship to Admiral MacBride. Perhaps you'd like to give some feedback on it, maybe suggest some changes? This might be a bit more suitable for the article:

It has been suggested that the Poe family was originally from Ireland. Poe's one-time fiancée, Sarah Helen Whitman, wrote in 1860 that Edgar's great-grandfather John Poe had been born in Ireland and was the son-in-law of Admiral John MacBride MP. Some forty years later Edgar's Baltimore cousin John P. Poe, Sr. was quoted as saying that John Poe had actually been Admiral MacBride's brother-in-law. From this information the genealogist Sir Edmund Thomas Bewley in his book on the Poe families of Ireland felt it likely that Edgar Allen Poe's grandfather David Poe Sr. had been born in Dring, Kildallon near the County Cavan town of Killeshandra in the 1740s to John Poe and his wife Jane MacBride, sister of Admiral MacBride, before the entire family emigrated to America in 1749 or 1750.

The sources would still be the same (and can be added before editing the page itself), but they aren't being treated as the objective truth of his ancestry. I look forward to your feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blippityblop (talkcontribs) 22:31, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Don't look at me: I'm just trying to follow Wikipedia's high standards for featured articles. Stylistically, there are a lot of weasel words. Still, I haven't disputed the information - only the sources, which must be reliable. If we were to consider at the content, we have to ask if we should look into his family history on every side of the family and, following the policy on undue weight, each family member would have an equal amount of information on them. If that happened, I would ask if his family history two generations removed needs to take up so much space. Ultimately, it's irrelevant considering the subject. --Midnightdreary (talk) 00:23, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I'm looking at you because it was you who saw fit to delete my edits twice. I would take issue with your views on relevancy/irrelevancy, as giving the ethnic background of a well known (especially American) figure is rather usual on wikipedia and encyclopedias. As for the sources, considering one is from a fiancée and the other is directly quoting a Poe cousin, they're obviously legitimate sources. I will take the discussion to the Poe talk page and see if people agree/disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blippityblop (talkcontribs) 06:31, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I should be clearer: I'm not giving my personal opinion, but responding based on what I know as a long-term Wikipedia editor as far as policy, sourcing, and the high standards of a featured article. --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:51, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Your opinion[edit]

I hope you have time for a question. I've done a big expansion of George Crabbe the old poet. I need the opinion of someone with GA and FA experience with poet and poetry articles regarding the critical ("legacy") section of Crabbe. I tried asking Wadewitz, but she's too busy with students. There aren't very many GA and FA poet articles as I'm sure you know, and you have several of them. I especially noticed Jones Very, a lesser known poet as is Crabbe. Can you let me know if you think Crabbe might be GA worthy? If it happens that you don't have time, do you know who I could ask? INeverCry 01:37, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry I don't have time enough for a significant response. However, upon first look, it seems that the article has plenty of content. The "Legacy" section seems strong enough that it may even call for subheadings. Going through a GA or, certainly, an FA review, however, will almost certainly get some negative response to the use of such significantly old sources (1888 and 1903). Those two sources seems quite heavily relied upon; is there nothing more recent? We all know how different an 1888 biography looks compared to something from the past few years. I might also suggest that the lede does not accurately summarize the article as very little of his biographical details are included there. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:31, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for such a quick response. I don't think I'll subject myself or my article to GAN any time soon. ;) The 2 sources are actually the newest I know of (he's really a forgotten author), and are based on the original bio by Crabbe's son, done in the 1840s or 50s. I was planning some other expansions where the sources are public domain and old, but now I wonder if that's a good idea. I'm glad you mentioned it before I wrote 5 or 6 more huge articles. That really gives me something to think about. Thanks again. INeverCry 16:46, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

A thought: these older sources should be ok in regard to simple biographical detail, ie place of birth, family and friends, schools attended, positions held, homes and travel, publication details for works, etc. A modern bio might differ in matters of politics, philosophy, religion, sex, etc, but not that much in plain biographical details. I could see an old bio not mentioning a few things, smoothing over controversial details, or making a few errors, but that kind of thing could always be filled in with a modern ref, and modern refs could be used to adjust or support material if needed.
Another thought: Most modern bios reference older ones for much of their biographical details. For instance, many of the modern Bronte bios still use material from Gaskell's 1857 work.
I've re-organized the legacy section of Crabbe somewhat as per your advice, and I'll see what I can do with the lead as well. Another reason I'm not in a hurry to do a GAN is that my last one took about 2 months from start to finish because the reviewer was too busy. During that 2 months he spent right around 4 days actually doing the review (after repeated reminders from me).
BTW, don't feel as if this ramble needs a response, as I'm prone to thinking outloud, and you've already helped plenty. ;) INeverCry 20:27, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
More rambling: I've crossed out the above about not nominating. GAN would seem to be the only way of really testing those older refs. I don't want to start on other projects of the same nature without knowing how the refs will stand up. I also don't like the idea of letting Crabbe sit around without atleast trying for GA. I've expanded the lead too. INeverCry 22:26, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

William Evans Burton[edit]

Hi. I see you did some work on this article. I've recently been adding bits using DNB and New York Times as sources but the trouble is, they conflict. NYT accounts written at the time of Burton's death say he was born 1802; DNB says 1804. A record on www.familysearch says 1802, but not christened till 1809.

DNB says his estranged wife successfully claimed dower rights on his estate after 7 appeals, culminating in her making legal history when the Supreme Court decided wives who were aliens were still entitled to dower. NYT (in 1864) reports rejection of her claim precisely on the grounds she was an alien, but says nothing about her later success; until 1916, when reporting the death of Burton's son, they suddenly do.

I also added a reference to Burton's short story 'The Secret Cell' (1837), which I just read in an anthology of Victorian detective fiction. The editor Michael Sims suggests - though acknowledging Burton's work isn't in the same class - that Poe would probably have been aware of it, and it may have swayed him towards writing a detective story. Is this worth adding? RLamb (talk) 00:32, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with "DNB", nor do I know much about researching genealogical stuff. But Wiki policy says we should just use reliable published third-party sources. For the birth year, I'd say pick one that you can verify with two or more sources, and add a note that there is another source that says something else. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:26, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. 'DNB' is the British 'Dictionary of National Biography' and they give Burton's date of birth as 1804. They're usually very reliable, but still - nobody's perfect. I don't feel bold enough to alter the birth year on the wiki entry, but I will put a footnote saying two other sources suggest it should be 1802. is a genealogical website that provides transcripts of church registers, censuses etc. The quality of the transcriptions varies sometimes as many were submitted by amateur genealogists, but this particular record about Burton seems okay to me.
I give up on the 'dower rights of an alien wife' thing. In 1864 the NYTimes reported a final quashing of the claims of the English wife; then in 1916 it said not only had her case been successful but actually a landmark ruling establishing the rights of other foreign wives. In the 62 years between it apparently said nothing. Maybe I'm searching their index wrongly.RLamb (talk) 18:23, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Poe and Cooping[edit]

Thanks for your note - I deleted it based on the 1872 reference: Poe died 23 years earlier, the theory seems quite ex post facto. But I'm not a Poe expert, so I will just re-write the reference to make it a little clearer.


Thanks for the award! It means alot coming from you. The GA and FA updating was easy compared to updating the DYKs, though. I hope I can find a simpler way of gathering them than searching manually thru the archives. It looks like the project lost its momentum a bit after the banning of this fellow. The work that you and he and folks like Yellow Sub have done on poetry and poets is some of the best stuff on wikipedia. The Poe and Dickenson articles are favorites of mine. I think I might be able to get a few GAs going sooner or later, but FA seems quite daunting. INeverCry 00:48, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

"Leaves of Grass" in popular culture / Breaking Bad[edit]

Hello, Midnightdreary:

Would you please respond at Talk:Leaves of Grass?

On 3 September, you "Removed as trivial, tangential, and unimportant to the legacy of Whitman or his book" my addition to the Leaves of Grass article of an "In popular culture" category and an entry for Breaking Bad, in particular the "Gliding Over All" episode. I beg to differ with your decision, my friend, and am restoring my post. However out of sincere respect for you [you Whitman fan, you! :) ] and to avoid an edit war, I ask that you: (1) please consider my rationale, offered below, as well as (2) if you don't agree with me, please initiate a request for commentary at Talk:Leaves of Grass or request some other sort of resolution involving third parties.

By way of rationale, I offer:

  • Two relevant precedents - the "In popular culture" sections of "The Second Coming" (poem) - which poem, incidentally, served as the eponymous title of The Sopranos episode 6.19 - and "Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening"
  • Links to relevant posts that illustrate popular recognition of this strong Breaking Bad - "Leaves of Grass" connection:
    • A discussion board post by Brandon Brummett, which responds to Dave Thier (12 September 2012). "Breaking Bad "Gliding Over All:" There's No Redemption for Walter White". Retrieved 10 September 2012.
I went back and watched season 3 ep 6 where walt first meets gale. Man Vince and the writers must have knew all along how Hank would find out because it is sorta foreshadowed in that episode. When Hank calls Walt and asks about Jesse and the RV he suspects Walt is shown sitting reading the Leaves of Grass book. It has a tight shot on the book, walt is smiling reading and then Hank calls. Then Jesse leads Hank to the RV with walt in there and it is soooo close to Hank discovering Walt way back then. That book has been significant now for 3 years now almost. Genius, Best show ever on television, cant name a better.
Justified is next best right now.

I look forward to your response (and those of other Wikipedians) to this same post at Talk:Leaves of Grass.

Warm wishes - --Froid 07:13, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


Thank you for informing me of the policy against overlinking. I was not aware of it. I am new to Wikipedia and, frankly, I have next to no idea what I'm doing. I appreciate your informative feedback. (I would also like to thank you for not criticizing me like a few others have.) If you have any advice or constructive criticism to give me on acceptable editing, I would be more than grateful for it. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krueg (talkcontribs) 22:56, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Poe / Adoption[edit]

Sorry about that. When I noticed that the Allans were listed as Poe's foster-family it just didn't look right to me. I asked a friend of mine about it and he told me that Poe was adopted as a toddler. Apparently, I recieved some bad information. I apologize for any inconvenience I caused. I'll be sure to double-check facts next time. Krueg (talk) 01:07, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

All the changes you made were already cited to reliable sources. I would argue that 1) these sources are better according to Wiki policy than your friend, and 2) you probably shouldn't change cited information without checking the cited source. Thanks! --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:41, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

I appreciate your constructive criticism. I realize my mistake and it won't happen again. I would like to thank you for taking the time to inform me of my errors instead of just changing them or mocking them. Please know that I am genuinely grateful for your help (You are one of only two users I've found who are willing to actually instruct me) and that I am not deliberately trying to pester you. Thanks again. Krueg (talk) 21:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

You must be catching me on my good days!! :) --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:09, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

WP Poetry and The Canterbury Tales task force[edit]

As someone who is listed as a participant for WikiProject Poetry, I hope you will be interested to learn of an attempt to revive the WP and alongside this the creation of task force to improve coverage of The Canterbury Tales. We are currently looking for participants to help set up the basics. Please get involved if you can, and we can hopefully revive this important project within Wikipedia! Many thanks, MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 00:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Poe and Byron[edit]

Kindly read the context in which a new contribution appears before removing it. This way, you will not have to make comments such as "no clear connection made" in reaction to an additional connection between Poe and Byron a few lines below a sentence introducing this connection and its relevance. The same statement hopefully doesn't have to be repeated in every other sentence just because you are in a rush. ;-) --Minutae (talk) 02:09, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

My apologies; I tend to be a bit aggressive in protecting the integrity of recognized articles (GAs and FAs). The citation helps so thanks. --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:31, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. :-) --Minutae (talk) 03:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


I don't agree with your reason. The picture is exactly as it looks in real life. However, I only wanted to help. If you want to keep the smaller black & white version, fine. --Lecen (talk) 03:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

The photo was not retouched and it is (except for the frame which was removed to avoid copyright infringement) a faithful copy of what the actuaç daguerreotype looks like as you can see in here. If you don't want the picture because you personally prefer the black & white version, then it's ok. --Lecen (talk) 12:52, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Brook Farm image[edit]

Thank you for your work on Brook Farm.

Unfortunately, the File:BrookFarm-engraving.jpg image you contributed in 2009 was very misleading. That book and image have a fictitious title: "Brook Farm" a pseudonym for "Pond Field Farm" in East Chester, New York; the 1859 book is by James Bolton (1824-1863), the youngest son of Rev. Robert Bolton. (Please refer to the image talk page for details and sources.)

Please help fix the wikimedia image data!

The image title BrookFarm-engraving.jpg is quite unfortunate in retrospect. Could it be changed to something like PondFieldFarmNY-BrookFarm-1859-engraving?

I am new to dealing with image tags. It seems that they should be changed to something along these lines:

English: Engraving of "Brook Farm" a pseudonym for the Bolton's Pond Field Farm in East Chester, New York; printed 1859.
Date 	Published 1859; London, Wertheim, Macintosh, and Hunt
Source 	Brook Farm: the amusing and memorable of American country life (1859)
Author 	(from book by James Bolton)

- (talk) 20:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It doesn't seem to be misleading at all... it seems to be categorically incorrect! I will make what adjustments I can but the file name "BrookFarm-engraving.jpg" seems fairly appropriate, as that is the title on the image from the book, even if it's a fictional version, and I don't have the power to rename files (I don't think). Thanks for pointing this out; I'll do what I can. --Midnightdreary (talk) 20:42, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for The Gates Ajar[edit]

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Navboxes on author pages[edit]

Since you have over 100 edits at Herman Melville, Edgar Allan Poe, and Washington Irving you might want to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels#Derivative_works_and_cultural_references_templates regarding including navigation boxes for adaptations of and related subjects to an authors works on the author's bio page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:40, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

Rufus Griswold dispute[edit]

See my talk page for my response to your charge of a conflict of interest.Jnkatz1 (talk) 16:32, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Harriet Beecher Stowe[edit]

Hi Midnightdreary, thank you for the kind note left here [2]. If I've been churlish with the editor, it's because they've apparently used at least three accounts on this and other articles to add unsourced content. Surely they're working in good faith, but there's never been a reference provided, nor an attempt to engage or explain their edits. So much for background. Very best, JNW (talk) 12:45, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I can't say you've done anything wrong and I hope I wasn't stepping on toes. The editor's choice to remove your comment confused me so I thought I'd try a different approach. Hopefully, they will be more interested in finding the correct method and not become discouraged. This project can be overwhelming to newcomers, after all. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I don't blame them for removing my last remark; probably a standard warning template is less noxious than a personal chastisement. You weren't stepping on any toes. Civility needs no explanation, whereas dudgeon often does. JNW (talk) 13:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Oh well [3]. I've requested page protection. If you have access to biographical sources that support the content in question, it would be terrific. Thanks, JNW (talk) 14:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Leaves of Grass[edit]

Looking through your GAs and FAs and am quite impressed. I'd love to work on Leaves of Grass with you if you want to collaborate.--ColonelHenry (talk) 15:49, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the offer! Alas, other projects have kept me from taking an active role on Wikipedia for a couple years now. For a project as important (and daunting) as Leaves of Grass, I certainly wouldn't be a reliable partner. I'm sure if you got started, however, others would join in. --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Wife of My Youth[edit]

Thanks for your note - I think your article is really good, and would be glad to work on it with you. Chesnutt's such a provocative writer. That will have to be after the holidays - and have happy ones! (Am trying to read "The Marrow of Tradition" online, as I've read histories of the events in Wilmington; find the dialect difficult to wade through.)Parkwells (talk) 17:18, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the GA process is pretty backed up. It could be some time before we hear a response. I'll get it ready soon, nonetheless. Best wishes to you in the coming new year. --Midnightdreary (talk) 20:57, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

New England Wikipedia Day @ MIT: Saturday Jan 18[edit]

NE Meetup #4: January 18 at MIT Building 5
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Your GA nomination of The Wife of His Youth[edit]

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You're invited: Women's History Edit-a-thons in Massachusetts this March[edit]

Women's History Edit-a-thons in Massachusetts this March - You are invited!
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New England Wikimedians is excited to announce a series of Wikipedia edit-a-thons that will be taking place at colleges and universities throughout Massachusetts as part of Wikiwomen's History Month from March 1 - March 31. We encourage you to join in an edit-a-thon near you, or to participate remotely if you are unable to attend in person (for the full list of articles, click here). Events are currently planned for the cities/towns of Boston, Northampton, South Hadley, and Cambridge. Further information on dates and locations can be found on our user group page.
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Your GA nomination of The Wife of His Youth[edit]

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You're invited![edit]

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Longfellow House–Washington's Headquarters National Historic Site[edit]

Why would the Wadsworth House not be official? Washington was Commander-in-Chief, he moved in with his staff and directed operations from there, he took command of the Continental Army while occupying it. I've never seen anything that implies that he moved in intending it only to be a temporary headquarters. Had space and condition problems not arisen, he might never have moved to the Longfellow House.

Even if for 2 weeks, the Wadsworth House WAS his first headquarters. -- BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:22, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, that's always just been my understanding that Washington was merely lodging at Wadsworth House but the Continental Congress only authorized use of the Vassall House as headquarters. I have no source to support it though. Full disclosure: I have been a tour guide at the latter for longer than I care to remember. To clarify, it's the term official that I thought made the difference. There's no doubt Wadsworth was chronologically first. Thanks for asking. I'm not sure how to handle this. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:54, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Edit-a-thon invite[edit]

Adrianne Wadewitz Memorial edit-a-thons[edit]

Adrianne Wadewitz edit-a-thons in Southern New England

As you may have already heard, the Wikipedia community lost an invaluable member of the community last month. Adrianne Wadewitz was a feminist scholar of 18th-Century British literature, and a prolific editor of the site. As part of a worldwide series of tributes, New England Wikimedians, in conjunction with local institutions of higher learning, have created three edit-a-thons that will be occurring in May and June. The events are as follows:

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New England Wikimedians summer events![edit]

Upcoming events hosted by New England Wikimedians!

After many months of doubt, nature has finally warmed up and summer is almost here! The New England Wikimedians user group have planned some upcoming events. This includes some unique and interesting events to those who are interested:

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New England Wikimedians summer events![edit]

Upcoming events hosted by New England Wikimedians!

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Walt Whitman[edit]

I looked at the recent reversions you did at this article. Your reversions I thought were necessary. Those, combined with my smaller reversion of the same editor, just prior to your action, indicate to me that the entire contribution, but for a word or two, ought to be reverted. Could you take a second look? - Neonorange (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll look again with leisure but I don't think these edits are harmful, even if not necessary. These were good faith edits and I would hate to inadvertently discourage the editor from contributing to the article again. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. You've more patience than I; editors should read an article before editing. - Neonorange (talk) 17:23, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Question about a recent edit[edit]

diff You removed this citation saying that it does not support the information provided, but as far as I can tell, it does. The source lists "The Institute of 1770, Harvard's oldest debating society" as an organization Thoreau joined. Of course, I may be misunderstanding something, in which case please let me know. Thanks. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 05:44, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm mostly being pedantic on that edit. The source really should refer to all this: "He studied at Harvard College between 1833 and 1837. He lived in Hollis Hall and took courses in rhetoric, classics, philosophy, mathematics, and science. As an undergraduate, he was a member of the Institute of 1770 (now the Hasty Pudding Club)." I suppose we could move the reference (if we can alter it so that it is proper) right after "Institute of 1770", and then fact tag the rest of it instead. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Ah, that makes sense. I'll move the reference accordingly. —Mr. Granger (talk · contribs) 16:13, 26 June 2014 (UTC)


Heya — Thanks again for attending our event last night and adding a new article. Hope it was helpful! Look forward to seeing you at a future meetup :) Girona7 (talk) 12:16, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

citing my own work[edit]

Midnightdreary --

Thanks for the heads up with regard to citing my own work. I had no choice in my Nathaniel Hawthorne edit: my work is original and is the only one that can possibly be cited. What else could I do when broaching a previously unbroached subject re Hawthorne. Put my name into the searchbox at to see the entire article, now part of a book out for publishing.

Do you have any advice?

Anthony Splendora — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:59, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Splendora:
The best thing you can possibly do is let someone else add the information, preferably cited to a published book vetted by editors rather than a web site. There is an alternative. I have to admit, this work is not original, nor are you the first to broach it (despite your comment above). In the text you added, you yourself note "feminists and historicists have found in Hawthorne's thematic depictions of women a rich source of interest." Either this information is inaccurate (in which case, do not re-add), or there are other "feminists and historicists" you can cite. I would recommend adding information cited to several of them with, perhaps, your own work thrown into the mix, with the caveat I mentioned above. I would think it would not be difficult to find several feminist responses to Hawthorne's work. If you are not able to find them, then the information simply should not be offered at all because it would represent fringe work. Wikipedia likes to show the most common critical responses as a mirror of the larger discourse (though with a more general audience in mind). Although I am not the only editor here, nor am I one of any significance or rank, I highly recommend not re-adding this information without considering these thoughts. --Midnightdreary (talk) 00:09, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello from the team at Featured article review![edit]


We are preparing to take a closer look at Featured articles promoted in 2004–2010 that may need a review. We started with a script-compiled list of older FAs that have not had a recent formal review. The next step is to prune the list by removing articles that are still actively maintained, up-to-date, and believed to meet current standards. We know that many of you personally maintain articles that you nominated, so we'd appreciate your help in winnowing the list where appropriate.

Please take a look at the sandbox list, check over the FAs listed by your name, and indicate on the sandbox talk page your assessment of their current status. Likewise, if you have taken on the maintenance of any listed FAs that were originally nominated by a departed editor, please indicate their status. BLPs should be given especially careful consideration.

Thanks for your help! Maralia (talk) 19:41, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Poe template[edit]

Thanks for catching my stupid mistake in the title (earning me fifty lashes with a wet raven). How do you like the template additions? It seemed that an author as esteemed and well-known as Poe should have the family and related articles included on his 'map', and I've learned quite a bit skimming (with plans of going back and reading closely) his personal pages that I've run across. Much of that work was yours, so thank you. Randy Kryn 11:42, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Oh, that spelling error is my biggest pet peeve in the Poe world! Template looks fine, though I generally question the value of some of those crufty articles. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:56, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

"Sic" is for actual errors - "Graylock" is a very commonvariant of "Greylock"[edit]

Hawthorne lived at a time when spelling variants of "Grey" and "Gray" were common in the United States - he made no "error" of any sort - and the use of "sic" absolutely implies such - unless, of course, you routinely add "sic" to half of Shakespeare <g>. CJR: And if a historical document is being quoted, to constantly tell a reader “this is not my spelling” would be too much [sic]ness. Writer, heal thyself. As it was not an "error" at the time, and is not an "error" in US spelling as a rule, the use of "sic" is deprecated as a rule. See [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9] (more than 150 examples of books). [10] current usage in news, variant name of local high school [11], used on postcards [12], etc. Cheers. Collect (talk) 17:22, 1 August 2015 (UTC) </g>

Fair enough. But I'd be worried that other editors will try to "fix" it, just as I frequently have to revert the spelling of his family name of "Hathorne" (no "w") despite the note we've added to it to say it's correctly spelled. I suppose when you watch the pages I do, you have certain expectations of practicality. --Midnightdreary (talk) 00:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

This Friday: Women in Architecture edit-a-thon @ Cambridge, MA[edit]

You are invited to join the Women in Architecture edit-a-thon @ Cambridge, MA on October 16! (drop-in any time, 6-9pm)--Pharos (talk) 18:29, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I am nowhere near Massachusetts these days, I'm afraid, and I know not how to remove myself from such a list. --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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Poe as "Tomahawk Man"?[edit]

Hi, Robert

What do think of including in the Poe bio a picture of the Felix Darley caricature of Poe as "Tomahawk Man" and the accompanying verse?
--JoePeschel (talk) 17:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

My name is not Robert. --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:50, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

ArbCom elections are now open![edit]

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Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 22, 2016[edit]

A summary of a Featured Article you nominated at WP:FAC will appear on the Main Page soon. Espresso Addict did this one. It mostly follows the lead section; how does it look? - Dank (push to talk) 22:52, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm afraid I had nothing to do with that article, let alone its FAC. --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:34, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Chris and Brian changed their minds and scheduled another one on this date. If you look in the history, you'll see Lowell. Lowell will be back within a month or two, I'll give you a heads up. - Dank (push to talk) 22:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Thank you. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:18, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Sarah Josepha Hale[edit]

I noticed you reverted my edit to Woman's Record on Sarah Josepha Hale page indicating you thought it was an erroneous edit. I'm providing the link here to show that yes the singular Woman's was indeed used in the title, which was not at all uncommon in this era Thanks

MichelleProfessmoravec (talk) 20:20, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

You'll excuse me, but I am 100% percent convinced the title was not Woma's Record, as your edit made it. Your links here provided prove that to be the case. I have fixed it for you, nonetheless. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:47, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Elizabeth Fries Ellet[edit]

What would you think of moving the "scandal" section of Elizabeth F. Ellet below her work? Chronologically it precedes her work on The Women of the American Revolution, but its place seems to give primacy to scandal over authorship.

Professmoravec (talk) 11:00, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

I think that would be illogical. The chronology is good and, frankly, her work is well represented before that section (including in the lede and in the section just prior to it). I find this a non-issue. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:56, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

How old are you?[edit]

My guess is Steinsky (talk · contribs), older than September 22, 1987! --Allygggggg (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

What? And why is this important? --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:02, 24 February 2016 (UTC)

Houghton Library's Tumblr[edit]

What is Houghton Library residency? Are you --Allygggggg (talk) 12:56, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Not sure about your first question. As for your second, no: I am not affiliated with Houghton Library or Harvard. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:10, 3 March 2016 (UTC)


That's not you. The Houghton Library tumblr just answered my ask and said that you Rob just left so I want you to edit your user page more because my partner online was born a day before me. --Allygggggg (talk) 18:22, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Why would you do this?[edit]

I don't understand why you would delete the links to images of the Washington Memorial Chapel's stained glass windows and interior ornament. "Flickr is not a reliable source," you say? The objects in the Flickr images are as they're described. It would be one thing if you were replacing the links to images with actual images. Absent that, your deleting them seems to serve no purpose. Please explain. == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 16:29, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry if you're upset but thank you for asking. My edits were as I stated in the edit summary: Flickr does not qualify as a reliable source. The links were used as in-line citations, implying that the link supports the information in the preceding sentence or phrase. For example, this link was used to support the line "George Washington Window (year), south wall (over entrance), Nicola D'Ascenzo, designer" but the link says nothing about the George Washington window, the south wall entrance, or Nicola D'Ascenzo. If the purpose is merely to display representative images we like, using them as citations is not appropriate. Maybe a link to a collection of them under External links? Either way, they are definitely not references. --Midnightdreary (talk) 16:46, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
In articles about artists and architects, links to images of the works described or listed are standard if there are no images available on Wikipedia or Wiki Commons. At the end of the article is a list of the stained glass windows, sculpture and other ornamental features. Your deletion of the links severely damage the reader's understanding of the chapel as a work of art. And to what purpose? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 17:14, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
All I can say, again, is that these links are inappropriate for use as references as they do not provide any confirmation of the information they are alleged to support. If there is another role they can play in the article, perhaps you could consider that. But, again, they are not references. --Midnightdreary (talk) 17:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
It's a shame that's all you can say. Across Wikipedia, there are thousands (10s of thousands?) of footnotes that provide links to images in exactly the same way these do. Especially for articles on art and architecture. But in your opinion they are inappropriate and must be eliminated. I work on Wikipedia to solve problems, not to create them. How can you rationalize that your actions improve the article? == BoringHistoryGuy (talk) 13:26, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
My friend, I'm at a loss to explain it any differently than I already have. You keep asking the same question, I keep trying to explain my actions. If I had seen any of the other 10s of thousands of footnotes that you refer to, I likely would have changed them too. I am not expressing a personal opinion, so I hope you are not taking it personally: I'm merely trying to make the encyclopedia work the way it's supposed to based on established policy by, as you say, fixing what seemed to me an obvious problem. Perhaps you should pursue a request for comment with administrators or other Wikipedia users. It's clear that I can't help you any further. --Midnightdreary (talk) 18:25, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Ragged Mountains[edit]

You are right - just because one scholar says it doesn't mean it's true. The description that Poe gives of Bedloe's appearance is - dare I say: hauntingly ? - close or identical to what a modern physician might see when a new patient with Marfan syndrome walks through the door. Poe probably met somebody and, great observer that he was, used his recollections to create the figure of Bedloe. I'm by far not a Poe expert like you but this really impressed me. As Poe always does. Thanks, kind regards, George — Preceding unsigned comment added by George G Milford (talkcontribs) 18:08, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

FAC voluntary mentoring scheme[edit]

During a recent lengthy discussion on the WP:FAC talkpage, several ideas were put forward as to how this procedure could be improved, particularly in making it more user-friendly towards first-time nominees. The promotion rate for first-timers at FAC is depressingly low – around 16 percent – which is a cause for concern. To help remedy this, Mike Christie and I, with the co-operation of the FAC coordinators, have devised a voluntary mentoring scheme, in which newcomers will guided by more experienced editors through the stages of preparation and submission of their articles. The general format of the scheme is explained in more detail on Wikipedia: Mentoring for FAC, which also includes a list of editors who have indicated that they are prepared to act as mentors.

Would you be prepared to take on this role occasionally? If so, please add your name to the list. By doing so you incur no obligation; it will be entirely for you to decide how often and on which articles you want to act in this capacity. We anticipate that the scheme will have a trial run for a few months before we appraise its effectiveness. Your participation will be most welcome. Brianboulton (talk) 21:23, 29 August 2016 (UTC)


I find it odd in the Cask of Amontillado that we, un-ironically, use the word "friend" to describe a man the protagonist intends to kill; particularly when one of the key sentences at the beginning of the entire piece is regarding the two faced approach to towards Fortunato. Koncorde (talk) 22:07, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

Poe is the one that uses it. --Midnightdreary (talk) 02:40, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, Poe uses the word 'friend', but given he is tempting his 'friend' to his eventual immolation is the ironic use of the word not obvious? Koncorde (talk) 10:31, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, it seems very obvious. Does it, therefore, need further explanation in the article? Would it be enough to satisfy your concerns by writing it as "friend" with the quotation marks at least once, perhaps? --Midnightdreary (talk) 15:42, 10 September 2016 (UTC)


Hi there! So glad you'll be joining our Pittsburgh Wikipedia Redd-up-a-thon! Beginner workshop slides are available here if you're interested, and please let us know what you worked on during the edit-a-thon by filling out the survey. Cheers, --TheLeaper (talk) 19:14, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

I can't imagine I need a beginner workshop, but thank you. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

ArbCom Elections 2016: Voting now open![edit]

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James Russell Lowell scheduled for TFA[edit]

This is to let you know that the James Russell Lowell article has been scheduled as today's featured article for February 22, 2017, the anniversary of his birth. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/February 22, 2017, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1100 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:55, 3 February 2017 (UTC)


dark visionary Poe

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Thank you for quality articles around Poe, such as The Raven, Virginia Eliza Clemm Poe, and James Russell Lowell, based on scientific knowledge, for Edgar Allan Poe bibliography, for service over ten years, - repeating (7 May 2009): you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

A yeara ago, you were recipient no. 1589 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:39, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


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For your brilliant piece on James Russell Lowell. I'm on a book project that has nothing to do with poetry and it was a real boon being able to get a first-rate bio of Lowell when I needed it. Thanks for that lasting effort. Carrite (talk) 04:24, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Glad to hear it! And grateful for your gratitude. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:12, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Poems on Slavery[edit]

About this edit--the "half century" was the half century of twentieth-century formalist criticism, not all criticism since the volume was published. Thanks for your help with the article, Dr Aaij (talk) 02:28, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

That was not even remotely clear, and I hope you can see my confusion. The only date included in that section was 1842. --Midnightdreary (talk) 11:36, 3 May 2017 (UTC)
Oh, I know--but the reference made it clear. Excellent article that is, by the way, the kind of article that by itself is enough to almost fill up a Wikipedia article. Dr Aaij (talk) 00:59, 4 May 2017 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Poetry Project Collaboration[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Poetry Project Collaboration has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 02:40, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Peer review candidate[edit]

Recently, the biography of Akira Kurosawa was promoted to GA and it looks like the article might be further nominated for FA. Kurosawa had an interest in Edgar Allan Poe and wrote a film script for "Masque" which is currently being produced as a new film. The instructions for FA nomination state that first time nominators should try to only nominate after they team up with an experienced FA editor. Could you glance at the Kurosawa article to see if it might be of interest? JohnWickTwo (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Can you help me find Rosalie Mackenzie Poe again I just lost her userpage[edit]

I think I liked new adoptive family for her and Edgar. --I Have Always Been a Twin (talk) 19:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Her... userpage? Do you think she edits Wikipedia? And you like what? Not sure what you're asking. --Midnightdreary (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

One too many tildes?[edit]

Hi. Thanks for weighing in here. You might want to fix your signature. Face-smile.svg RivertorchFIREWATER 06:12, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

rip van winkle[edit]

I notice you said you were tempted to rip out the entire section of "predecessors". I'm not brave enough but I wish you would :) (talk) 08:44, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

photo of Katharine Coman's grave[edit]

Greetings, I thank you for the photograph of the statue of Katharine Lee Bates that you posted on wikimedia commons a few years ago. I just added it to the article about her. By any chance, do you have a photograph of Katharine Coman's grave? I know it's a long shot, but thought perhaps you might have one. Thanks for your work on Wikipedia.AnaSoc (talk) 02:52, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ana! I'm afraid I don't... If I ever go in that direction, I'll add it to my list. --Midnightdreary (talk) 12:31, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

The Great God Pan[edit]

Hi MidnightDreary! You might know me from my handful of edits on The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket, some of which you thanked me for. I know you love Gothic fiction, and I am currently working on the article for the Gothic novella The Great God Pan by Arthur Machen so it can be a GA. Would you be interested in helping me?MagicatthemovieS (talk)MagicatthemovieS

A barnstar for you![edit]

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:-) Ipreferthebook (talk) 19:28, 18 September 2018 (UTC)