User talk:Mikesiris

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Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

Hello, Mikesiris, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{help me}} before the question. Again, welcome! OlYellerTalktome 20:15, 12 October 2011 (UTC) I want to put bio of dr. Richard Gallagher of nyu. how do I do so? thanks mike Mikesiris (talk) 15:30, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:MAGNIFICO PLUS, USE THIS PHOTO, DEC 05, W GPS UNIT.jpg[edit]

Image Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading Image:MAGNIFICO PLUS, USE THIS PHOTO, DEC 05, W GPS UNIT.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Shinerunner (talk) 18:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

October 2011[edit]

Please do not write an article about yourself, as you did at Michael Siris. Creating an autobiography is strongly discouraged – see our guideline on writing autobiographies. If you create such an article, it may be deleted. If what you have done in life is genuinely notable and can be verified according to our policy for articles about living people, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later (see Wikipedians with articles). Please understand that this is an encyclopedia and not a personal web space or social networking site. If your article has already been deleted, please see: Why was my page deleted?, and if you feel the deletion was an error, please discuss it with the deleting administrator. Thank you. OlYellerTalktome 20:15, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Left another message. Same location. OlYellerTalktome 20:35, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Socking[edit]

Mike, I'm going to assume good faith here and guess that you are not logging out of your account and posting as the IP 75.99.90.234. I would like to warn you, in case you are, about a policy we have called Wikipedia:Sock puppetry. In a nutshell, it states that "Logging out to make problematic edits as an IP address" such as "Creating an illusion of support" "is forbidden" and will result in a block. If you are doing this, please know that there are ways of linking your account to the IP. If this isn't you, no harm has been done. I just didn't want you to do something then find out later that it's prohibited. OlYellerTalktome 20:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Hi again Old Yeller

I still dont yet have a handle on these talk pages and how wiki people communicate.

i have posted some stuff on "breaking into wiki" on demiurge's talk page/mine or perhaps yours (i actually can now longer remember). did you have a chance to look at my questions on this?

also, regarding the article about me, i see that someone placed a quotation mark (") after the words "title litigation" in the last footnote. i dont think it belongs there. i didnt want to take it out myself because of COI restrictions. what is the proper procedure to follow when a subject finds an error in an entry on himself/herself?

thanks

Mikesiris (talk) 11:45, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Mike. This is the first time I've had to sit down at a computer again since yesterday. I'll respond today and do my best to explain what I think the best way to start out on WP, how talk pages work, and how to deal with the errors in the article about you. I should be back around 1PM EST. OlYellerTalktome 13:54, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Biographies, and where to start, etc.[edit]

Hi Mike, thanks for your patience - I've been wrapped up in a few other things.

COI tag, and the article about you[edit]

I see that a couple of editors have said that there's no need for the COI tag on your article to stay there in the long term. So that's that issue pretty much sorted out. I would still recommend against editing the article itself.

Since the article seems likely to stay on Wikipedia, I wonder if you would be interested in providing a photo for it? It would need to be one that you own the copyright to, or that the copyright owner would be prepared to freely license it.

i can send a photo if you like. how do i do that? can i send photo to you?

thks

mikeMikesiris (talk) 12:56, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

I am properly responding to your request for a photo? how do i send one in?

thanks

Mikesiris (talk) 22:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike, sorry for the slow reply.
If you have an image that you took yourself, or that you own the copyright of, then do this;
  1. Name the picture on your computer, something descriptive like Michael_Siris_in_2011.jpg
  2. Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org/
  3. Log in or create an account
  4. Click Upload File (under Participate on the left)
  5. Click Select a media file to donate to choose the picture from your computer
  6. Click Upload, then Continue, after you have chosen your picture
  7. Select This file is my own work then click Next
  8. Add a description of the picture in the white box next to where it says English. Describe briefly what the picture is of, and when and where it was taken.
  9. Click Save or OK or something (can't quite remember this part, but it should be obvious)
  10. Copy the link from under where it says To use the file in a wiki
  11. You can now paste that link, including the [[ and ]], into the Michael Siris page and it should work (I'm watching the page, so I can help fix it if there's a problem).
If someone else owns the copyright (for example, because they took the picture), then they could follow the above steps instead. Or, alternatively, you could upload it, and they could then take the relevant pieces of text from the top of Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries, fill in the relevant details, and then email it to the email address that's listed further down that page. (Note, they'll need to mention the link to the image that you've already uploaded.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:40, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Email, and talk pages[edit]

There are no rules against editors corresponding by email. Sometimes email is the best way to communicate, for example if something needs to be kept confidential. However, for the most part, discussions are kept on talk pages; that way they are more accessible to anyone else who might find the information useful, or who might have anything to add. And, yes, "talk page stalkers" basically just means people who help out by commenting on a discussion on another person's talk page.

Hello

Not sure yet on how to use my talk page despite the intro above. This is a forum for me to discuss wiki issues in general with other editors then commenting upon my comments (and not for discussion on the article posted about me?)? if so, how do other people know that i am posting something? is there a way to "follow" a particular talk page? i imagine there must be scads of them out there.

turning back to the article posted about me, someone, either demiruge or ol yeller, asked if i had a photo which could be posted. Yes, i have one. to whom should i send it and how? also, and realizing that i am not supposed to edit anything about me, does someone want to add my birday and place: 9/11/45 NYC? that would be appreciated.

thanks again for your help--i am still trying to absorb all this material. it looks like this could be fun but time consuming to do it properly. i am thinking of doing a bio of a friend/colleague but doing it off line as someone suggested so it could be refiewed. could someone tell me exactly how (logistically) i go about doing this.

thanks

Mikesiris (talk) 14:00, 17 October 2011 (UTC)


Hi (demiurge?)

i think you just posted on my talk page instructions on how to put up a photo (quite complicated, i must say). anyway, thanks

Mikesiris (talk) 22:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC) PS is there any way i could simply send the photo to you and you could then put it up??? am jammed up on some other stuff. as for all the copyright issues, which i merely glanced at, all i can say it is a photo of myself and has appeared in the public domaain. among other places, i wrote an article for the new york law journal recently and they asked for my photo--and this particular photo was used. if i can send the photo to you, pls just tell me how to do so. thanks

If you're confident that you own the copyright to the photo, then just follow the eleven steps above, and ignore the part about what to do if someone else owns it. It's very simple, a five minute job.
I'll spare you the details, but the permission that you need to provide the New York Law Journal for them to use a photo of you, is in no way similar to the permission that Wikipedia requires. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

"Ranks" of editors, and who can do what[edit]

It's simplest to break editors down into three types. Editors who haven't registered an account (or who forget to sign in) are identified by their IP address. Then there are editors who do have an account; these are identified by their account name (username). Perhaps surprisingly, both of these types of editors can indeed add COI tags (or other sorts of tags) to articles; and both can remove them.

Of course, this can sometimes lead to what we call "edit warring" - one person adds a tag, a second person removes it, the first person adds it back, and so on. Obviously this isn't a sensible way of behaving, which is where the third type of editors come in. Administrators (who are selected by a process called Wikipedia:Requests for adminship; a recently completed one is at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Redrose64) are able to block accounts or IP addresses from editing Wikipedia if there are problems with edit warring or other issues.

Administrators also have the ability to delete pages, and to do a few other things. However, administrators are not "moderators" in the sense that some other websites use the term. They do not make the ultimate decisions about what content is appropriate to go in an article - that is decided by "consensus" of all editors.

Making articles about other lawyers[edit]

You asked if it would be a good idea for you to create new Wikipedia articles about colleagues that you believe are notable enough for there to be Wikipedia articles about them. There are a number of issues that I would recommend considering beforehand.

First of all, if the person is a colleague (i.e. is part of the same firm as you) then this is still a conflict of interest situation. Now, that's not an insuperable problem - it just means you need to be extremely careful to be neutral, and you must also, at the very least, mention on the article's talk page your connection with the subject of the article. However, one suggestion is that it's just simpler not to write about topics where you have a conflict of interest.

Secondly, I do sometimes wonder exactly how valuable biography articles about borderline-notable people really are. If most of the reliably-sourced information about someone is pretty much just what's on their Facebook or LinkedIn page, or the sort of material that you'd find in a business directory, then not only are they possibly not notable by Wikipedia's standards, but there really isn't a need for an article on them anyway. Try not to focus entirely on thoughts of how worthy they are, and certainly not the question of whether Wikipedia does have articles on people that are "less worthy". The thing that really decides notability is whether there is significant coverage of the person in independent reliable sources.

Another problem with biographies of people who are not very well known, is that such articles tend to be watched by very few people. So they become risk areas for vandalism and defamatory material - if an article is not watched by many people, then any problematic material that is added, is less likely to be noticed and dealt with. Equally, it's not always an advantage for the person themselves, for Wikipedia to have an article about them. I've seen a great many occasions where a Wikipedia article has been created by someone about themselves, or by a well-intentioned friend or colleague; but some time later the article ends up containing negative information about the person (for example if they have received some negative press coverage, or had problems in their personal life that have reached the newspapers), and then the person wants the article about them deleted; but the deletion is refused. So it's sometimes better not to start an article at all!

so i could add coi tag? not that i want to but just curious how i would go about doing so. for instance, and on a related matter, what if i wanted to do a bio of someone i know who i believe is deserving. could i create an article, somehow indicating i know subect?

thks ````

I want to put article about child psychologist dr. Richard Gallagher. how do I do so? thanks mike Mikesiris (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Other ideas for things to do[edit]

Wikipedia has a growing number of articles rated as "Good" on English law topics;

Now, of course most of these don't have direct equivalents in U.S. law, but it is worth asking, what U.S. law covers the same approximate areas - and what sort of state are the articles covering those aspects of U.S. law in? A challenge would be to try and improve one of the articles on U.S. law up to that level.

Then there's case law; it's possible to write about a case in a way that's both accessible and interesting to the layman, and also brings out the legal significance of it. So for example, Wikipedia has a "Featured article" (that's the top of the ladder, even better than a Good Article) about an old English case; Eastbourne manslaughter. I'm sure there's lots of other historically significant cases that either don't have articles at all, or certainly don't have articles up to the same standard.

As another alternative, you could look through Wikipedia:WikiProject Law - this has various listings of suggested tasks and requests for law-related articles. In addition, the "Legal articles by quality and importance" chart on the right of that page, is somewhere to look for law-related articles that need improvement. For example, clicking on the intersection between "Top" and "Start" takes you to this list of (currently) 78 articles that are considered of top importance for WikiProject Law, but are still only "Start class", i.e. greatly in need of improvement.

Those are some ideas. I'm not saying that creating biographies of currently active lawyers is absolutely the wrong place to start. It's just that improvements in some of the above areas might benefit Wikipedia's coverage of the law far more - and biographies of living persons can be a minefield, especially if there are concerns about conflict of interest. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Heyo; the author of the above-mentioned articles here :). Just popped by to say that it's great to see a fellow jurist editing. If you're just starting off, I have plans to write a few articles on US law in the next couple of months (the ATS really needs something decent, for example) which you're welcome to help out with :). 03:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Oops, sorry! I hit the wrong key and ended up not signing. Just got your message; hi! Ironholds (talk) 03:41, 16 October 2011 (UTC)


<[hi, i am still totally confused abougt how to use wiki. for instance, there is a bio on myself, mike siris, and at footnote #9, there are a list of verifiable real estate cases i have handled. i would like to add to that footnote several other reported cases that i believe are significant. i read that with "controverial edits," which i presume this would be bc i have an interest in subject--i am supposed to propose the edit on my "talk page" and then get consensus from other wikipeians. and after such consensus, then put up on my talk page the actual edits for some other wikipedian to edit. i hope this is what i am doing. i would much prefer a more direct way of communicating and would appreciate someone contacting me a msiris@solomonsiris.com or calling me on my cell at 516 506 8841. if not, i assume you can post an answer here? i must say as someone new to wiki, this is all somewhat overwhelming.Mikesiris (talk) 13:31, 15 November 2012 (UTC)]>

Help needed on writing a BLP[edit]

{{help me}} this is more in the nature of test. trying best to figure how how to communicate w editors. have been looking for suggestions on how to "break in" as a wk editor (i am a us atty) i have been "talking" on various talk pages to some others who have been quite helpful. i gather this command, adminhelp, is for other purposes? for example, let's say i wanted to do a BLP of someone i know. is there any way to do so and to indicate i know the subject? is this something that should be directed to admin help? thanks Mikesiris (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike, the adminhelp template didn't seem to be working - I think it needed a space, and probably also to be all in lower case. I've replaced it with {{help me}} as I think this kind of question is something any editor can advise on (it doesn't need an administrator). I've also added a section heading for this discussion. Let's see how well the help request works! :-) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Because dealing with a conflict of interest is very difficult, I suggest you edit some other articles first - to get used to the way that Wikipedia operates. There are so many diverse areas on Wikipedia, that 'where to start' depends very much on your personal tastes. Some editors like to make minor fixes to articles, some write featured articles, others work 'behind the scenes' - checking new pages, deciding which articles to delete, and that sort of thing.
You might be interested in the cleanup campaign, requested articles, requests for feedback, or the huge backlog of tasks. You could help out with peer reviews, or maybe just something random.
One of the best ways to get involved is to join some projects, such as WikiProject Law; you could browse others in projects.
Hopefully, this will give you some ideas.
If you intend to edit an article about someone you know, you have a conflict of interest, and best advice is to declare your connection on your user page (User:Mikesiris), and to be open about your connection in any discussions. I believe you are already aware that, in such a case, you should not create a new live article; instead, you can work on a draft, and get others to check it. There is good advice about this situation in Wikipedia:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest.  Chzz  ►  22:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, just got here; yes, what Chzz said :). Ironholds (talk) 07:38, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
If you take a look at the article, you can see that at least 5 other editors have jumped in to help with the article. (click on the "view history" tab at the top of any page to see who has contributed to that page). -- Ssilvers [sorry, forgot to sign].

If you should be bored this coming Saturday...[edit]

I keep meaning to write a proper reply about the many questions you've asked, however, for now I should mention that this coming Saturday, 22nd October, there is an event called Wikipedia:The Musical, in New York. The page itself doesn't make it sound terribly relevant to you, but on its talk page several people are talking about being able to help out new editors at the event.

If this might be useful, post there as soon as possible!

If not, it's just a reminder that yes, in-person help is probably very feasible, since you live in or near a part of the world that has large numbers of Wikipedia editors. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 05:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

If you look at the front (not talk) page of Wikipedia:The Musical you'll see under Agenda there's a general presentation/introduction to Wikipedia editing. Experienced Wikipedians will be available for advice and tutoring throughout the day. If you're available, it might be a nice way to get help in person from Wikipedians. -- kosboot (talk) 22:44, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Louis J Schepp - are you sure?[edit]

Hi Mike, I've left a couple of replies for you back at my talk page, but I'll reply about this part here.

(Note the above are "UK" versions of Google's results, so if you can find something different from where you are, let me know.)

Now, doing an ordinary Google search for "Louis J Schepp" turns up Facebook, LinkedIn, various blogs, and business directories and similar, but none of these are suitable as sources for a Wikipedia article.

Not everything is findable with Google, of course, and sources don't have to be online. But do you have multiple, independent reliable sources, that have significant coverage of this person, that you are planning to use to write the article? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike. I strongly suggest deferring writing articles about people you know until you are a more experienced Wikipedian. Since you are a US attorney, I suggest that you start by editing some pages in your area of expertise (real estate law), by adding, for example, more citations to WP:Reliable sources in those articles. Or, if you have a favorite hobby, edit pages about that hobby or about historical people who interest you, but who you do not know personally. After you gain experience on a few dozen pages, you will know more about how to work on a BLP where you have a WP:COI, and it will go more smoothly. You may also come to realize that it is better to work on the Oliver Wendell Holmes article in an encyclopedia than on new articles about your friends and colleagues. I concentrate mostly on 19th century people, and they rarely get offended by criticism. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:25, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
By the way, welcome to Wikipedia, and good luck here. I noticed this page because of your messages at the discussion page for Wikipedia:The Musical. At first, I thought your message might be a hoax, or written by a child, because of the lack of capitalization and punctuation. I recommend a more formal writing style here, which will show other editors that you are serious (just a suggestion). At the same time, it's not nice to comment on typos by another editor who is trying to help you ("heed" vs. "head"). Editors will want to help you if you explain what you need. Let me know on my talk page if you have more questions, and I will be glad to help you. Also, I will be at the library on Saturday if you want help in person. Just bring your laptop. All the information is at Wikipedia:The Musical (this is just a humorous name for a meet-up that will focus on contributing to articles about the arts, but everyone is welcome, and I will be happy to help you there). And, of course, the links in the Welcome message at the top of this page are key links that explain a lot about how to contribute to good articles here. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:32, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mike[edit]

Hey Mike. Sorry it's taken me so long to get back to you. Some others have added some really great information here on your talk page and I wanted to read through it so I don't duplicate them too much.

As for talk pages and leaving messages, I'll try to describe it. An easy way to think about Wikipedia is as if it's a book. The front of each page of the book is an article about some subject or a user's "userpage". On the back of each page is a talk page where discussions about whatever is on the front of the page, take place. So, if you write on the back of one page (your userpage for instance), it will only be seen there by whoever happens to read that page. In short, when you post something someplace, that's the only place it will exist.

It's different than probably anything else you've dealt with. I don't think I've ever used anything like "Wikis" where this style of communication is used.

As for what to do, user:Demiurge1000 left some pretty great information up above for you. As I'm not an attorney, he can probably point you in a more helpful direction than I can. If he's busy, the people over at Wikipedia:WikiProject Law would be able to help. Wikiprojects are basically just a club for people who want to edit a similar area (in this case, law).

As you're experiencing, WP is incredibly large. There are tens of thousands of people here from all over the world making millions of edits every day. Besides that, there's books full of policies and guidelines that are constantly changing (grammatically and contextually). It's really easy to get overwhelmed, lost, angry, upset, etc. I've experienced all those emotions here. Focusing on a small area and expanding from there makes things much easier.

I suggest starting with learning a little policy then moving into editing articles. I'd start with The five pillars of Wikipedia. After that, our policy on WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability are very important. They're long and not exactly barn-burners but very important to what we do here. My favorite is Wikipedia:Assume good faith which has made its way into my life outside of Wikipedia and has as big of an impact there as it does here. The welcome message and links at the top of the page are great to read through as well.

Anyway, if you get through that and are still looking for pointers, I'm always around. You can respond here or on my talk page. OlYellerTalktome 13:11, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks--you convinced me that I wont do a BLP (on Lou Schepp). -- Mikesiris (talk) 14:04, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your message. Yes, you put it on my User page, rather than my talk page. You should post on talk pages, rather than user pages. Everyone's user page is like their own home page, while their talk page is for communication. Editors should not normally edit other editors' user pages, but you can put information and notes to yourself on your own User page (just click on the red "Mikesiris" above). Look at my user page for ideas about what you might want to put on yours. Double brackets link to other wikipedia articles. For instance, to hyperlink to our article on Abraham Lincoln, just put double brackets around the name, like so: Abraham Lincoln. If there is no article, what you double bracket will show up as a red link, like so: Example red link. For more basic editing tools, see Help:Editing and Wikipedia:Cheatsheet. Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

hi demiurge

i am back, as the saying goes, w another question and i hope i am posing it in the right venue--my talk page?

anyway, i note that "siris" is on wikipedia as the Mesopotamian goddess of beer. I noted this because, as you know, "Siris" is my last name and I happened to come across this entry. I was trying to figure out the source of the entry? Who posted it originally? What is his/her basis for making this statement? I did a little googling and could find nothing to support the claim that there ever was such a goddess.

could you write back to me at either mikesiris@gmail.com or msiris@solomonsiris.com----or, once again, explain to me how wikipedians communicate amongst themselves.

Thanks

Mikesiris (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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this whole thing is just so confusing! totally not user friendly Mikesiris (talk) 17:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


i would like to make a contribution but it is just so impossible to figure out how to do things. for instance, i could edit "floyd abrams'" bio by adding some significant cases he has handled--cases that can be found on the web. i tried doing this and it was just totally impossible to figure out how to do. is there any possibility some wikipedian out there could contact me and walk me through ths. i am at mikesiris@gmail.com or 516 506 8841. i tried putting something up on the wiki help page but i cant even find that page anymore. help pls! thanks Mikesiris (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Videos[edit]

You mentioned that you were a 'visual person', so here is a video about talk pages;

After clicking play, you can RIGHT-CLICK and choose 'full screen'

There's more videos here.  Chzz  ►  11:00, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

well, after some trial and error, i figured out how to edit. i went to the article on a well known first amendment lawyer and modified one of the citations. it wasnt that hard to figure out

i notice that there is another atty i know who has a wiki page describing a big victory he had in the lower court--the victory is much publicizied in the article. within the last few months, the appellate court reversed the lower court decision but no one has bothered to make the correction. i dont want to do it because i know the fellow. i suppose i could remind him to correct the information but i suspect he would prefer not be reminded of the reversal. 24.187.74.161 (talk) 18:07, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Alan M. Meckler (November 12)[edit]

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  • Hello Mike, Me again. Thanks for your note. (I moved it to my talk page because messages to other editors go on their talk pages not on their user pages (read more at Wikipedia:User pages#Terminology and page locations). Anyhow, if you are stuck on how ti improve the article, I can work on it later on and then move it into article space. He pretty clearly will pass the notability criteria. I won't be able to get to this until early December, but the draft isn't going to be deleted in the meantime. so there's no rush. In the meantime, feel free to play around with it. As to your question "what is the theory behind this--that all communications between us must be visible to the entire wiki community?". Well, building Wikipedia is a collaborative effort, so we collaborate "on wiki", openly and transparently which keeps a permanent record for other editors to refer to. Email is occasionally used, but only when there is a strict need for privacy. If you have any further questions, you can put them here on your talk page and I'll answer them here, as I think this would probably be easier for you. I have your talk page on watch and will see if you have posted on your talk page. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 13:07, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

hello voce

thanks for note. am I allowed to work on the article and then move it to "main" space? if so, how do I do that? mike Mikesiris (talk) 15:25, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


ps voce

one more thing: where exactly is the article now? is it somewhere where some other wiki editors can work on it as you are tied up for a while? tks mike Mikesiris (talk) 15:26, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Your draft article is at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alan M. Meckler. Anyone, including you, can work on it there. You can move it into article space yourself provided you are autoconfirmed, that is, your account is more than 4 days old and you have already made 10 edits to other Wikipedia articles. At the moment you have made only 7. See [1]. WP:Moving a page#How to move a page explains how to do move a page once you are autoconfirmed. Please read the instructions very carefully before you attempt it. Is there any reason for the rush in getting it into article space? Voceditenore (talk) 16:37, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Alan M. Meckler was accepted[edit]

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ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
After seeing the additional sources, I have accepted the article. While I'd like to see more than a few rough sentences, this is just the beginning of the article. I did not see your post to my user page, only talk pages give notice, so sorry for the delay. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 22:24, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Talkpages[edit]

I'll just move the conversation here to your page. Generally, to keep conversations logical and understandable people reply on one page and continue the conversation on it. Makes it easier than splitting replies up. We can keep here for now, under this section, because you still have some difficulty finding the talk page section. What's your question? ChrisGualtieri (talk) 00:32, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

chris i am not sure i follow. i am supposed to answer your email above to me by posting on MY talkpage? i already put up something on what i thought was your talkpage. pls give me a tip here. tks mikeMikesiris (talk) 02:08, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Okay. Obviously I am bad at explaining these things. Yes, you normally reply underneath my post and indent as needed. WP:TEAHOUSE is a great place for help, but I am watching this page and I can see when you reply to my reply. In this case, you get a prominent message while I check a watchlist. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 02:30, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Like so? Although I should be doing this on your talkpage, where you initiated conversation, not mine because you initiated the conversation (how would I know that in first place?)? Thanks Mike Mikesiris (talk) 13:36, 20 November 2013 (UTC)


     I still find this totally confusing.  I believe I could make contributions to wiki but it just seems that the protocol is so daunting.  I just want to understand how one communicates 
     within the wiki universe. you said I am supposed to indent?  by not only my talkpage?  on your talkpage? on whose talkpage?  I am sure there are places to go on wiki that explain all
     this stuff but I don't understand why it has to be like learning a foreign language.   thanks for your help in any case--and, correct me if I am wrong, you are going to respond to this 
     bc you are watching my talk page?  (why? and how does one watch someone else's talkpage? and what is the preferred method of communication if it is not by watching someone's talkpage?) 
      24.187.74.161 (talk) 14:56, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Catherine Meckler[edit]

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Nomination of Karen Siris for deletion[edit]

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Nomination of Alan Meckler for deletion[edit]

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