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Happy New Year[edit]

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Happy New Year!
Hello Milowent:

Did you know ... that back in 1885, Wikipedia editors wrote Good Articles with axes, hammers and chisels?

Thank you for your contributions to this encyclopedia using 21st century technology. I hope you don't get any unnecessary blisters.

North America1000 03:25, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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Charles Felton Pidgin[edit]

Hi. Yes indeed. He was a very interesting man. Had a good career as a playwright and songwriter. Was employed by the Massachusetts Bureau of Statistics. Started to lose his eyesight around 1900. Quincy Adams Sawyer and Blennerhassett were two pretty big sellers. He wrote a number of books beyond those. Yes, Quincy Adams Sawyer was filmed in 1912, but the bigger one came out in 1922 with Lon Chaney and Blanche Sweet. His positive portrayal of Aaron Burr in Blennerhassett stirred things up. He was a Burr enthusiast. Kennethclark17 (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


That's a good article. You did a good job with that. Well done. Kennethclark17 (talk) 01:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


Hi. Yes, that number came from the article in the Riverside Daily Press cited in the Carro Clark wikipedia article. That reflected total sales by the end of the decade. I have read it. It's long and tedious. Too many plot twists, layers of plots and sub-plots. I've also read Blennerhassett. He sure knew his stuff, but what a long, thick story too. I get probably find a copy of the article with the number. What's Wikipedia's policy on emails? I have no problem giving that to you, but I don't want to get in trouble with Wikipedia. Again, great work on the Pidgin article. He really was a fascinating guy and what a great career he had. Kennethclark17 (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Ken, you can email me at milowent AT gmail dot com, that article is out of copyright though its fair use to share something like that between researchers as well. Thanks for your kind comments on the article. I'm reading The Climax now (about 65% thru), its quite amusing, his adulation of Burr is deep.--Milowenthasspoken 19:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


Just making sure that reached you ok. Kennethclark17 (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if you would do this week[edit]

I have an FAR staring at me, which will take some time. Serendipodous 14:54, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

  • No problem, Seren, I'm happy to do it.--Milowenthasspoken 15:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Fine with the title but[edit]

why did you delete the last paragraph? Serendipodous 01:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Help with COI request[edit]

Hi, Milowent, Happy New Year! How are you? Having worked with you previously (on Hill+Knowlton Strategies), I know you to be a knowledgeable and thorough editor when it comes to reviewing COI requests, and I think that's needed on the MetLife page. This past year, I’ve been working on behalf of MetLife to propose improvements to their article, but have had some difficulty getting editors to respond to my requests or discuss the edits being made to the page. Although some positive changes have been made, there are some new issues that have been introduced and some outstanding problems I would like to address. In particular, I'm hoping to correct inaccuracies and bring the page inline with Wikipedia’s citation guidelines. I posted a note to the Talk page back in November, to summarize and clarify the outstanding requests, but so far I haven’t had any replies.

As you know from working with me in the past, due to my COI, I will not make any edits to the page myself, which is why I’m instead posting here in hopes you might be interested in reviewing the current issues and my requests. I’m watching the Talk page and will gladly respond to any comments or questions there. Many thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 02:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi again, I'm still struggling to find anyone to help with my requests over on MetLife. If it would be easier, I can put a full draft of what I'm thinking for the article into my userspace. Let me know if you can help! Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi 16912 Rhiannon! I am willing to help, I know it is hard to find people willing to pitch in. I think a draft of what you are contemplating would be easier for me to digest.--Milowenthasspoken 17:26, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
That's so great! I've started up a new section on the Talk page already, linking to a full draft in my user space. To make what I'm proposing vs. the current article really clear, I started with the markup for the current version and have made individual edits to add in my proposed changes. Since the History was already updated based on a draft of mine and then edited afterwards, I've largely left that as is, and just made edits to fix a couple of small things there. I'm very grateful for any time you can spare to look at this! Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 19:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I'll need to do a compare-write version on my own I guess, so I can get comfortable with the nature of the changes.--Milowenthasspoken 19:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank YOU so much for helping with this. Before the weekend, I wanted to check in and see if you had any questions so far or if anything in the draft isn't clear? 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 18:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi Milowent, a quick note to let you know I'll be offline over the long weekend, so apologies in advance for any delay in getting back to you if you have any questions about the MetLife draft. If it's looking like you might not be able to get to this, just let me know (and I'd love any suggestions for someone else who might help?). Thanks again, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 21:22, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
Hi again, realize I owe you an update on MetLife: I'm (by which I mean Beutler Ink) no longer under contract to them, so I'm not actively pushing forward with the new draft for that page. That said, the article isn't in the greatest shape it could be and I feel my draft is a great resource to help get it to a better place. I'll definitely still be happy to do anything I can to help on this. Spoiler alert: it IS totally boring. If it wasn't, I wouldn't get paid to research and write it, volunteers would already have done it. (My husband enjoys reading the Wikipediocracy forums and of course read the McClendon thread and passed along your comments. I turned down his kind offer to "be [my] Wil Sinclair" and jump into the discussion.) Thanks again. 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 14:10, 7 March 2016 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes[edit]

There is an RfC at Template talk:Infobox#RfC: Religion in infoboxes concerning what What should be allowed in the religion entry in infoboxes. Please join the discussion and help us to arrive at a consensus on this issue. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:38, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Top 25 list[edit]

Hi, Milowent,
Wikipedia:Top 25 Report shows the chart from Dec. 27 - Jan. 2 and I was wondering if there were charts for Jan. 3 - Jan. 9 and Jan. 10 - Jan. 16. I know it's a bit early for the list from this weekend but I thought I'd ask. Thanks and happy new year to you! Liz Read! Talk! 19:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Egads, I fell into a rabbit hole [1]. Thanks for the note. I see Seren has the next report up, I will fill in the gap report in the next day or so.--Milowenthasspoken 13:37, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


@Milowent: this is the second time you've bailed on me without warning me in advance. I am not in the best position to do this this week (abroad visiting an ill family member) so this was a deep imposition on your part. Serendipodous 13:33, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

  • Well now I feel like total shit, but only as to you personally because I truly value you highly, Seren. I did intend to bang it out today (but gave you no warning or indication on my part); I see you have done the report and many will benefit from it. I have been swamped with work lately and this is merging with a flagging commitment on my part. Please allow me to commit to doing the next two weeks' reports. But subsequent to that I'm not sure if I want to keep doing this. What are your thoughts on the matter, as you've been more diligent for a longer period than I. I wish there was an easier way to automate the reports as a backstop to what we are producing.--Milowenthasspoken 16:51, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
More diligent no; I just have more time on my hands. All I ask in future Milo, is that you inform me if you are under any kind of pressure. If I can take up the slack, I will. A ping will do. We can get back to the normal routine now, don't worry. Serendipodous 21:01, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

If you're looking for a project...[edit]

...This category is ballooning again. All but one I checked from Category:Unreferenced BLPs from August 2014 actually did include links that can be considered sources, they just weren't inline citations or didn't include a "References" section. I've been changing the tags to more appropriate ones (e.g. "no footnotes" etc) and adding some sources here and there. Once more unto the breach? Joe Decker are you interested? --Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 22:29, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

If I can find a little spare time, I'm up for working through some of it, but most of it is going to be fixing mistags. Whee?  :)
It's nice to say hi to you both--seriously, it's been too long! Cheers, --joe deckertalk 08:27, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Hey guys, I'll take a look -- I can't believe its been 4.5 years since we cleared out the old backlog, it probably does need some attention, I'm up for whittling it down again.--Milowenthasspoken 13:31, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
 :) I've plowed through 100 or so, there's a lot of "oh look, there's already a perfectly decent source linked", but also some stuff that takes a little more lookin'. --joe deckertalk 17:28, 7 March 2016 (UTC)
I've come across my first deceased BLP article (Mahfoud Ould Lemrabott). I remember this happening occasionally during the original clean-up project. I forgot how much I enjoyed the hunt for sources!--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:19, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Quick Links -> Statistics -> Article Comparison[edit]

Hi Milowent, can you update your user page quick link to Article Comparison with this tool instead Pageview Analyisis. The former is just a demo app and not maintained. The latter has more features. Thanks! KLeduc (WMF) (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Top 25 this week[edit]

Lupe Fuentes and Unfinished portrait of Franklin D. Roosevelt are Reddit threads. Meldonium is a reference to Maria Sharapova. I have no idea what Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 is doing there. Serendipodous 17:18, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks! I found the FDR one, but didn't look for Fuentes yet.--Milowenthasspoken 17:19, 14 March 2016 (UTC)
    • Dude, seriously, watch your ears cuz you are the next Van Gogh. :o) Serendipodous 18:58, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Sure, I should be able to. Thanks for letting me know. Serendipodous 23:51, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

You up for the report this week? Serendipodous 12:57, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
  • yes, I can do it!--Milowenthasspoken 14:14, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

My advice (albeit advice that I just fragrantly ignored)?[edit]

And Serendipodous: DFTT, especially one with only a few dozen edits. Not worth the emotional or time investment. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:32, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hi Milowent: A recent edit you performed at AfD has been reverted. You may want to check it out. North America1000 06:02, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

"Women are everywhere"[edit]

Hi Milowent. I'm an editor (not very active till now) of the Italian Wikipedia, where the gender gap is a real issue. I'm trying to participate to an IEG with the project "Women are everywhere". You will find the draft at this link It would be great if you could have a look at it. I need any kind of suggestion or advice to improve it. Support or endorsement would be fantastic. Many thanks, --Kenzia (talk) 17:10, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Never Forget[edit]

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You, sir and/or madam, are hilarious and/or brilliant and you shall be in charge of The Ministry of Signpost Humor from now on so I can no longer defame those better and/or oranger than I. Gamaliel (talk) 17:23, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Gamaliel, thank you kindly. For the record, I am a non-orange male! But every time I tweet something ironically positive about Trump, I get more Trump followers. They are everywhere!--Milowenthasspoken 23:33, 9 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, don't I feel like a sluggard...[edit]

Seems you've got this well in hand. I was perfectly happy to go ahead this week but you seem to have shot off from the starting gate. I did so some research though; in case you were wondering- Gloria Vanderbilt is a documentary on HBO; Blac Chyna is Kardashiosis; Cedric Villani is yet another annoyingly obscure Reddit thread; Villanova University is, well, this. Serendipodous 15:02, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

sarcasm, hm[edit]

about this. I hear where you are coming from. Technically this editor is suffering from advocacy; there may be an actual COI in that he or she owns property there but COI is just a subset of advocacy. They are doing all the things that advocates do - editing with urgency, an overwhelming passion, a conviction that everything they add is True and Important, and not listening to anybody else. To the extent that your comment increases this editor's resistance to seeing that their underlying approach to Wikipedia is the source of the problems they are having, your comment is actually contributing to the problems this editor is having, rather than helping the editor. It doesn't appear that your goal is to help them, but to be POINTy. Which is... not helpful. Anyway, that is my perspective. Happy to discuss. Jytdog (talk) 19:21, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Jytdog, every editor was new once! I know you are trying to help this editor in your own way as well. Due to my omnipotence, I know my comments will be constructive to them. Life is too short.--Milowenthasspoken 19:33, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
Sure everyone is new at some point. But "new and self-aware enough to be open to learning and feedback" is really different from "new committed advocate who will not listen or learn". We get plenty of the latter and my read is that this editor is in that group, and is driving themselves over a cliff; helping them means helping them see that their approach to WP is their biggest problem. Right now they think everybody else is the problem. So says my omniscience!  :) Jytdog (talk) 19:43, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Is this guy legit?[edit]

I mean I don't know who he is. So should I give him my personal details? Serendipodous 15:37, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what to do; I sent the Wikipedia person links to the three annual traffic reports. Since I was never contacted about this, I don't really know if she wants them. But we'll see what happens I suppose. Serendipodous 13:19, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Gamaliel and others arbitration case opened[edit]

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Should I just go ahead and do the Top 25 report?[edit]

Andrew seems incommunicado this week, and while there are still two entries on TopViews I'm not clear on (Dualistic and Travis (band)), if I wait any longer for the mobile counts I may as well wait till next week. Serendipodous 06:14, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Seren, I think Andrew has sometimes not got it up until Wednesday before (at least more recently; he used to be more regularly early). Though Topviews doesn't give us the platform data, the corresponding Pageviews tool does have a way to check count type -- The default platform report is "all" (see [2] for Dualistic. Change the platform to "desktop" and we can see that almost all the views are desktop (572,920 on April 16 v. 214 for mobile app). Also Dualistic is a redirect, so I would definitely exclude it. Travis is all desktop views on April 15 - I would also exclude that. Hope this helps!--Milowenthasspoken 12:49, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

We're going to have to collaborate on a new intro for the Traffic Report. Serendipodous 06:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Seren, do you want to give it a whirl first, or shall I? Even Panama Papers has dropped off in this last report, with sports filling things up. You're not the only person who realizes sports are just games; imagine if science was as popular as sports!--Milowenthasspoken 17:16, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Why don't you give it a whirl first, and then I'll go in and do a rewrite? I think I do better when reshaping other people's work. Serendipodous 18:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Seren, I did something simple, certainly a framework that can be expanded if you wish. BTW, I already know who #1 next week will be: Prince.--Milowenthasspoken 18:37, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Well, that works. Can't really improve on it. And at least we got in before the deadline. As for Good Mr Prince, well it will be interesting to see if he breaks Bowie's record. Serendipodous 18:44, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
And he did. Did a quick scan of the entries- basically, if you're not sure why something's there, it's probably Prince-related. Even Michael Jackson (you may be too young to remember the old "Michael Jackson v Prince" fan wars of the early 80s). Only point of contention: we have a difference in numbers between Andrew's dataset and WMF's, which means the last entry is either Game of Thrones or Apollonia Kotero, depending on who you read. Serendipodous 15:27, 24 April 2016 (UTC)1
  • Seren, thanks for the notes, I'll aim to wrap this up in next 24 hours. I can't believe Prince already beat Bowie's viewcount record!--Milowenthasspoken 03:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Not too much of note this week (except Trump fatigue does appear to be a thing). Sigmund Freud, Jane Jacobs and Mario Miranda are Google Doodles. Karan Singh Grover is a celebrity wedding with some manufactured controversy thrown in. Claudio Ranieri brought Leicester City FC to a historic Premier League win. You've probably heard of Sadiq Khan by now, given the US coverage, but if you haven't, he's London's newly elected mayor who happens to be (shock, horror) Muslim. Most of the coverage has been about how he wouldn't be able to travel to the States if Trump is elected. In case you're wondering, yes I voted for him, though he was my second choice. While I am not surprised that Elizabeth Olsen is on this list (she's in Captain America: Civil War) I am surprised that she's the only cast member of that movie on it. This isn't even her first appearance as Scarlet Witch. I would have thought new Spiderman Tom Holland would have drawn more views. The one big question mark is ExtenZe, which has a MASSIVE 107087 view difference between Andrew's list and TopViews. This is a problem we haven't encountered before. Serendipodous 08:12, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Serendipodous, thanks as always for these tremendously helpful notes. As for ExtenZe, its mobile count was below 2% so I didn't worry about any discrepancy.--Milowenthasspoken 04:49, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of User:Milowent/The PsyPost[edit]

A tag has been placed on User:Milowent/The PsyPost requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section U5 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to consist of writings, information, discussions, and/or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals. Please note that Wikipedia is not a free Web hosting service. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such pages may be deleted at any time.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, and you wish to retrieve the deleted material for future reference or improvement, then please contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you can place a request here. DHeyward (talk) 21:50, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

  • DHeyward, obviously this nomination must be an attack funded by my competition, The Sigh Post. If the Sigh Post agrees to deletion, the reason for this publication will also cease.--Milowenthasspoken 21:58, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
  • In the interest of time and effort, you should probably request self-deletion. It's pointy, disparages living people including User:Arkon and will never be in the encyclopedia. The "friendly" U5 reason was rejected on a technicality, not merit. A G10 is likely to succeed as is a MfD. Rather than create that drama, you can user request speedy deletion. You can store it on your personal webpage or blog. User:Fram and others spent days at ANI and now ArbCom over similar material and you can avoid all that. --DHeyward (talk) 22:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
Gotta admit, that page wasn't doing anything more than tossing fuel into the fire. Sethyre (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
  • Sethyre, well except that no one knew about it, it was just a side thing between me and Arkon discussing the whole thing on Wikipediocracy. Apparently DHeyward stumbled across it in his efforts to take down the April Fools' fake wikipedia logo. When DHeyward called it a BLP attack on Arkon (I referenced the city of Akron twice), I blew soda out my nose. But I was happy to blank it because it is just silliness.--Milowenthasspoken 01:16, 22 April 2016 (UTC)
Makes sense. But hey, some people might not appreciate a good joke. I didn't find it THAT funny, to be honest, but I am immensely enjoying the show that's being played out around it :P Sethyre (talk) 06:01, 22 April 2016 (UTC)


Hi Milowent, just been through this. Thanks for your work; I love the tone of this section on the SP. Do you mind my "M" for million? ... there are a lot of instances, and it's pretty neat for readers, I hope. A few common terms I've unlinked. And you might benefit from installing the dash button, which is quick and easy to install and to use on an article, saving you time.

Thx again. I've sent a similar note to Serendipidous. Tony (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Tony, thanks for your review and comments. It all looks good to me!--Milowenthasspoken 12:13, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Arbitration evidence portions removed[edit]

Hi Milowent. After discussion on the clerks-l list, I have removed portions of your evidence submission at the Gamaliel and others. You are welcome to add any evidence that is relevant to the scope of the case, which is defined as Gamaliel's recent actions (both administrative and otherwise), especially related to the Signpost April Fools Joke. The case will also examine the conduct of other editors who are directly involved in disputes with Gamaliel. The case is strictly intended to examine user conduct and alleged policy violations and will not examine broader topic areas. For the avoidance of doubt, this is a clerk action and may not be reversed without the permission of a clerk or arbitrator. This may be appealed to or Cheers, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 04:34, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Today I learned...[edit]

...that "the name of the Phoenicians came from the ancient Greek word for purple, as their trade in purple dye was also their claim to fame." A real interesting factoid I'm now about to read more about. Thank you. Thryduulf (talk) 12:16, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

  • Thryduulf, I am so glad you agree! I had only recently learned that fact myself, and realizing I could juxtapose that somewhere with Prince this week got me unduly excited. When I googled to see if anyone else had made any similar observation, I found this bizarre youtube video [3] -- apparently there is a ridiculous theory that Prince predicted 9-11. Good grief!--Milowenthasspoken 13:05, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others/Evidence[edit]

This arbitration may kill all humor off wikipedia. We will be holding a wake for humor next week, unless President Trump allows it back.--Milowenthasspoken 18:05, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hey sorry to bug you with this. I would like to request your comments @ Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:No religion thanks Olowe2011 Talk 23:14, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stephanie Siriwardhana[edit]

Please, act next time as a peaceful adult instead as a belittling, combative kid. The Banner talk 17:22, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Where's the fun in that? And compared to our prior altercations, I think I was pretty calm!--Milowenthasspoken 18:06, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Precious anniversary[edit]

Four years ago ...
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article rescue
... you were recipient
no. 483 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:54, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Traffic report[edit]

Hi Milo and Serendipodous, am I correct in assuming that the Traffic report is ready for publication (due late tomorrow/early Monday)? Andreas JN466 14:16, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

May need a title change, but other than that, it's fine. Serendipodous 15:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Let er rip!--Milowenthasspoken 19:00, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Julian Messner[edit]

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PS. Julian Messner also published Keye's Dinner at Antoine's (ref here), which was a bestseller yet is the only redlink for 1948 in this list (hint hint).--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 18:38, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
  • lol, Ponyo! Hopefully I'll find a list of their best-known best-sellers somewhere I can crib from. You're following my brain pattern. This rabbit hole to Julian Messner started with Joy Street (novel) (#2 in 1950 by Keyes) which I also created today!--Milowenthasspoken 18:45, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

From the Recruiter's desk at "The Signpost"[edit]

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--Rosiestep (talk) 03:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

sure go ahead.[edit]

I'm game. Serendipodous 16:36, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Still not really comfortable with the TopViews mobile count system so can you double check these exclusions for me?

Serendipodous 13:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

  • Sorry for the delay, Seren, I was out of town. I think they all look legitimate, the mobile and desktop views are not skewed. And for Sean Connery - its Reddit - [4].--Milowenthasspoken 19:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I screwed up. I wqas looking at "mobile app". Need to get used to this.

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Gamaliel and others closed[edit]

An arbitration case regarding Gamaliel and others has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

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You are so bad[edit]

Now I won't be able to sleep for laughing. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC)


Did a bit more heavy editing on the traffic report than I usually do, we can discuss as appropriate. Montanabw(talk) 04:51, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

  • Montanabw, thanks for your review. It all looks fine to me, very much appreciate you carefully looking it over.--Milowenthasspoken 14:27, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

You're gonna need some help[edit]

For research, let me offer you this Telegraph article, and this vanity fair article. But that's not enough; to get a true idea of the man my city twice saw fit to elect as its leader, you have to see him in action. Here he is offending all of China.

Nigel Farage doesn't need an article because he's not a human being; he's a walking audio recording of talk radio shock jock. Here he is offending the EU Parliament.and a reality check from the Guardian. Keep in mind he also released this image of Syrian refugees the day Jo Cox was murdered by a white supremacist. And then, after Leave won, said that the UK had won its independence, "without a shot being fired."

As for Theresa May, well all you really need to read is this. Once again, if you're looking for balanced neutrality, go somewhere else.

Oh, and here's a reddit thread. Serendipodous 08:41, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Well I hope I can do it justice; thanks for the guidance. All I know of Teresa May is a few sentences from a British journalist interviewed on NPR a few days ago - competent and bland, he said. Will get new report up once our American holiday is over.--Milowenthasspoken 16:26, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Top 25 for July 10-16[edit]

You haven't edited for three days. Are you planning to skip the top 25 this week? Serendipodous 10:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Hey Seren, no I do intend to do it, and have it up within the next 24 hours. Thanks for checking on me!--Milowenthasspoken 16:50, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

I have a strong feeling you'd get more out of doing this week's top 25 than me[edit]

so if you want, we could switch. Serendipodous 07:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

  • Seren, I think I can squeeze it in. It would be better for me looking at my August to switch up the order now.--Milowenthasspoken 19:17, 25 July 2016 (UTC)
  • FYI, Seren, I am still doing this. Probably tomorrow before I post but iti s unavoidable due to crazy work week!--Milowenthasspoken 12:22, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Sure no problem[edit]

I have other things to work on right now anyway. Looks pleasingly dull and pop culture centric this week; nice change from TrumpityTrumpTrumpTrump all the way home. Serendipodous 16:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Another hoax for you[edit]

Hey Milowent: check out Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Milk Studios, determined to be a hoax at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Milk Studios. Enjoy! North America1000 05:39, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

  • North America, thanks, man! I first saw this on Wikipediocracy and commented some on it there. See here and below it [5]. I would love to know why someone created this, and how it persisted despite another "Milk Studios" which could probably push for a page.--Milowenthasspoken 13:12, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
Interesting read there. Well, the name itself comes across as legit, and prior to the deletion nomination, I'd guess that nobody checked regarding potential notability or verifiability. Glad you enjoyed the sham. North America1000 17:44, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

New article improvement drives[edit]

Check out the following new article improvement drives/contests. North America1000 12:26, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

For the record: the one beginning with L and full of question marks is László Bíró, inventor of the ballpoint pen[edit]

Google Doodle. Serendipodous 09:42, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

I just had a thought. Because the Deaths in... list is so consistent, it acts like a barometer. The higher it is on the list, the lower the traffic. It's REALLY high this week. Serendipodous 09:05, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Just a note; sorry for removing the comment about you creating the article on the Girl on the Train novel. I wasn't sure how to redo it in the third person. :-) Serendipodous 07:44, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Are you planning on doing the Top 25 report this week? I'm a bit busy this week, so I won't be able to swap. Serendipodous 13:28, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 1996[edit]

Yawn...A guinea pig yawning

Newspaper endorsements in the United States presidential election, 1996 may be the most boring article ever in the history of Wikipedia, but thanks nonetheless for your work on it. Hey, what ever happened to the rescue squad? I posted a few articles a while ago at WP:RSL, but apparently nobody gives a shit anymore. What's up with that, Milowent? It's all your fault. 🌎 North America1000 14:21, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

I was literally just getting ready to log out, and then saw your response here lit up on my watchlist. I'm still logging out, so stay tuned for an actual response later on. North America1000 18:49, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
Actually, I may not have much more to say. Out of curiousity, why don't you do much in article rescue nowadays? I myself have been spending less time on Wikipedia due to matters in real life, etc. North America1000 07:43, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
  • North America, I think my interests have just changed over time, and as we are all volunteers, and I try to feel free to work in different areas when it interests me. I was first drawn to actively edit in 2009 due to article deletion issues. Then over time I realized that I could indeed write articles of relatively good quality, and could source well due to my ARS experience. I've always enjoyed learning obscure history, and where else can one share obscure history better than here? More recently I've been doing a bit more for the Wikipedia Signpost, writing the "In the Media" column, which follows on from my work on the WP:TOP25. I do wish we had additional volunteers to work on the Top25 because me and Seren cannot do it forever but I believe tracking the popularity of articles over time creates an important record of what interested humanity in real time.--Milowenthasspoken 14:11, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
We'll all be forgotten someday...Unless...
I saw this earlier, but waited until I had time to compose a proper response. Sure, I understand how matters can change; change is good. When I first started editing some years ago using ips, I performed mostly gnomish edits. After deciding to register, I then got more into expanding articles, creating new articles and contributing to WP:DYK. Contributing to deletion discussions also began somewhere in there during this time, when I also later found the ARS, which was aligned with my focus of improving articles. More relatively recently, I've gotten into improving articles to GA status, but have waned in this area lately. So, there's a bit of my evolution on Wikipedia. I noticed that you're a history buff per some of your work I've seen you perform at Sexuality of Abraham Lincoln in the past, although this is not a topic of strong interest to me. I remember enjoying your commentary at some of the AfD discussions; I remember one where you composed a poem that was witty. I also remember a user who later commented something about the notion of the poem being some sort of "inclusionist" screed, or something of the sort, which was also funny. Well, AfD will always be around, so it's not like you are missing out on something with an expiration date. In other matters, I've been collaborating a bit on company list articles (see here), but it's been a bit slow-going for me until earlier today, when I converted List of companies of Saudi Arabia to table format. North America1000 22:17, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Oh well. SIndifferent.gif North America1000 07:39, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Another fun thing ruined by the WMF. I used to love it when I created an article and then looked at pageviews and there were all the people who'd wanted to look at it before it existed. Made me feel useful. I think the largely boring and irrelevant Signpost should interview long-time editors on the whys, hows, and weird stories of their Wikipedia experience, but nooooo, it's more important to suck up to the WMF. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:49, 5 November 2016 (UTC)

Top 25[edit]

  • Gawd I got to do a Top25 report today (Seren I am still doing it!).--Milowenthasspoken 12:20, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
It is done.--Milowenthasspoken 14:11, 22 October 2016 (UTC)


I suggest you simply read the article. The Heartland Institute is an extreme conservative free market fundamentalist think tank; its agenda has been dominated by climate change denialism, and the funding for that denialism has largely come from the fossil fuel industry. If you are a bunch of zealots who think all regulation is evil, and if some liberal website won't stop saying that you are supporting an industry that's destroying the planet simply because the alternative is ideologically unacceptable to you, then you're going to fulminate about that website.

Science shows that the conclusion they would prefer, is wrong. This generates massive cognitive dissonance. That is entirely expected. They blame Wikipedia, but it's not Wikipedia's problem. Guy (Help!) 16:04, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

No major surprises in the Top 25 this week.[edit]

It's mostly Trump or The Walking Dead. Would that they were the same thing. Anyhoo, Juan Pujol Garcia is a Reddit thread. Youtube is a 1 day spike on October 24 that is impossible to Google and may mean nothing at all. Serendipodous 13:43, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

  • Thanks, Seren!--Milowenthasspoken 14:22, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
  • FYI my IP is apparently a blocked open proxy a lot of the time these days. This adds to my delay in completing reports.--Milowenthasspoken 12:32, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
If you're having issues, I can always go back to doing it full time. Serendipodous 12:54, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[edit], free access is open to enrollment. Fold3 is good too for the WWI and WWII draft to find dates of birth, but the same material is available at for free. I have the article you wrote about and I am cutting and pasting it now, will have it uploaded to Commons in about 10 minutes. You have to output to a pdf then cut and paste again into a jpg, then run through ocr to retrieve the text as best you can. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:29, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

I'll be interested to see your next report[edit]

Once you recover. Serendipodous 11:44, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

  • We survived GW Bush, so I guess we'll survive this somehow. We get the government we deserve. I guess Trump beating Hillary on all those reports was a real sign. In retrospect, its actually not shocking that Trump won. The polls were flawed but just a few mistaken assumptions made the difference here. Hillary won the popular vote, but it looks like the black vote differential was down just enough in a few counties in a few states to make the difference in electoral votes.--Milowenthasspoken 15:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

The crown is almost certainly the reason why[edit]

and Prince still beats Trump. So there's something. Serendipodous 15:03, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Seren, ah thanks. My mind is blown in working on this report. EVERY ARTICLE in the top 25 exceeded one million views -- this means the Crown must be very popular to place a number of folks among them. Deaths in 2016 is knocked down to #34! I don't want to drag out completing this too long, but if time permits in the next 24 hours I hope to complete User:Milowent/sandbox6, which I expect to show Trump's complete dominance in chart popularity.--Milowenthasspoken 15:08, 14 November 2016 (UTC)
Wikipedia views only measure interest, not support. People who despised Trump were just as likely to look up his article as people who adored him. Hillary's biggest problem wasn't that so many hated her or didn't trust her, it was that no one could muster up the will to care one way or another about her. Serendipodous 00:07, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

The Challenge Series[edit]

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For the record, Milo[edit]

Steve Bannon said he didn't want his kids going to school with whiny Jews, so yeah, he's anti-semitic. Serendipodous 12:04, 4 December 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and pretty easy load this week. Will get going on it as soon as I finish the recording for my video. Serendipodous 12:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC)


Hi. Is there any way you can make this template in a way that can collapse? Talk:Donald Trump has quite a few of them, and I don't see that trend changing any time soon. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:41, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

  • ill look into it! Thanks for notifying me!--Milowenthasspoken 04:39, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Is this the first time an Indian topic has topped the list?[edit]

I think it might be. Serendipodous 16:32, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

"influence of reddit posts on wikipedia pageviews" paper[edit]

Hi Milowent, are you still interested in writing up a summary or review of this paper for "Recent research"/the Wikimedia Research Newsletter? It would be cool to have it in the upcoming issue (out later this week, I assume). Next month's would do too though. Our general list of recent papers to cover is here. Regards, Tbayer (WMF) (talk) 07:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

Again Milo...[edit]

If you're going to ditch the Top 25 report for the week, tell me in advance. Serendipodous 12:52, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

  • I am not planning to ditch! My IP has been blocked for days and I've been traveling -- will try to get it out today!--Milowenthasspoken 13:22, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

No prob dude.[edit]

Just need advance notice. Serendipodous 17:06, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Lots of death this week[edit]

Who knew Alan Thicke was so beloved? Never even heard of Craig Sager

Anyhoo, The 84 election is a Reddit thread. So is Rob McElhenney.

Amundsen's expedition is a Google Doodle.

Pentatonix is a Christmas special.

Serendipodous 07:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)

  • Seren, thanks very much! Alan Thicke is surprising -- Growing Pains ran from 1985-92 (longer ago than I realized!). Sager got some attention in America earlier this year because he was still working with leukemia. BTW, I will be excluding Darth Vader despite have 11% mobile views, pageviews shows[6] definite bot influences; it was at 5% last week and I also excluded -- it is probably up to 11% this week due to Star Wars related views going up for Rogue One.--Milowenthasspoken 13:43, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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The Signpost Barnstar[edit]

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Hey Milo I'm off on a late Christmas vacation this week[edit]

Do you think you could do the year-end list? I suppose it doesn't need to happen, since Ed already made his blog about it, but it would be nice to keep traditions alive. Serendipodous 11:16, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

  • yes, I can do one this week!--Milowenthasspoken 01:43, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Signpost tip[edit]

A tip for "In the Media", if you're interested—CNN: Trump national security pick Monica Crowley plagiarized multiple sources in 2012 book czar 19:06, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

RfC Notice[edit]

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Your're not a scifi geek, are you? :-)[edit]

I can tell, or your obit for John Hurt would have been a lot longer. :-)

Anyhoo, I agree it may be time for both of us to jump this ship. I think we've both been doing it for long enough, and we need to start pushing the idea that other people can and should do it. I really would love to see the report live on without us, but it needs to leave the nest first. Serendipodous 18:23, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

  • well, not movies or TV sci-fi. I devoured stacks of Heinlein, Asimov, etc., in my youth. I felt slightly bad not to say more about the guy, but he really is a blank slate to me personally. As to the report, not wanting to see it die is what is keeping me around. I wonder if it could be more automated in any way. E.g., if we had a raw source like the most edited list, it could be tweaked quickly to remove bad entries, and new editors could perhaps be lured more easily to take over?--Milowenthasspoken 18:40, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Well done[edit]

I had a nagging suspicion this was your commentThat man from Nantucket (talk) 21:29, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

  • That man from Nantucket, haha. Thanks for pointing me to this excellent journalism. I didn't comment in that article, but I see I'm quoted as the last sentence of the article. Now I can quote myself as quoted in the Post for the next Signpost In the Media column!--Milowenthasspoken 01:03, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


I removed a sentence from the draft signpost on in the media (diff) because I felt it distracted from message and was opinion about the newspaper item being reported. I'll understand it you disagree and revert it. RJFJR (talk) 16:53, 17 March 2017 (UTC)