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Happy New Year[edit]

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HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! A new year has come! How times flies! 2015 will be a new year, and it is also a chance for you to start afresh! Thank you for your contributions!
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Happy New Year Milowent![edit]

Happy New Year Milowent![edit]

Are you doing the Traffic report?[edit]

because I'm getting questions, so if you can't or don't want to do it this week, please let me know. Serendipodous 20:15, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

  • User:Serendipodous, I want to do it, and I know its my job this week, but I've been swamped. In about 1.5 hours I will get it started and hopefully can bang it out.--Milowenthasspoken 20:48, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Next time you're swamped, tell me. Serendipodous 21:22, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Couldn't find a glass of wine for the Chaddsford Winery article. Nothing better than a glass of red and a good book. Cheers! Mattwheatley (talk) 01:10, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

A brownie for you![edit]

Brownie transparent.png Vote for Loren Lott! LonelyLaura (talk) 22:04, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Any reason why no 'Free Neotarf' picture?[edit]

I've just noticed your Free Carol picture. There may be background problems of which I'm unaware, but from what I read of the Arbcom discussions, I found the banning of Neotarf a great deal harder to understand than the banning of Carol. So is there any reason why you are not showing a 'Free Neotarf' picture on your home page? And any reason why I shouldn't at least think about adding one on my own? Tlhslobus (talk) 05:33, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Tlhslobus, to be honest I only followed that arbitration enough to know Carol's banning was absurd. She's wacky and can push buttons, but no ban was warranted. I'm not a member of GGTF and not sure they'd even want me; I happen to have written many articles about women simply because they were missing articles that we should have.--Milowenthasspoken 05:42, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

January 2015[edit]

Please do not create pages that attack, threaten, or disparage their subject. Attack pages and files are not tolerated by Wikipedia and are speedily deleted. Users who create or add such material may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Thank you. McGeddon (talk) 23:17, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks like that was the default and deliberately oblique speedy-deletion message from Twinkle. I flagged the ViralNova redirect for deletion because you'd pointed it at link bait, a pejorative. Possibly it made more sense at the time and the target article had something to say, but it reads like a deliberate attack in the current context. --McGeddon (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation, McGeddon. In December 2013 the link bait article did not describe it as a perjorative, and included click bait in its content.[1]. Indeed I created Clickbait to redirect to link bait at that time. The current Clickbait article notes that Upworthy has been described as clickbait, and ViralNova is a cheaper clone of Upworthy that suddenly became popular in December 2013.[2]. Indeed, ViralNova is clickbait and I have no clue why that is "perjorative". Its a business model, we don't delete patent medicine articles as pejorative.--Milowenthasspoken 00:43, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Might just be my ear, but flatly describing a site as "link bait" sounds closer to calling a product "quack medicine" than "patent medicine". I've put up a stub at ViralNova, since it seems to have some sources out there. --McGeddon (talk) 09:22, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I didn't think that this met criteria for speedy deletion, and suggested WP:RFD if it is to be considered. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:48, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

2014 list[edit]

Draft done. Numbers are down 18% from last year. Can't say whether that's a trend. Serendipodous 23:53, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

  • looks good! How can we popularize this? A separate traffic report piece? As for the numbers, i have no idea. Remember that this years data includes only some mobile data, and as more internet traffic shifts to mobile, who knows. Facebook dropped from 30 million views to 20 million, but i don't think Facebook is dying. But we can draw some neat 2013/2014 comparisons: The biggest death of each year: Nelson Mandela v. Robin Willliams. Biggest TV show: Breaking Bad v. Game of Thrones. Biggest female celebrity: Jennifer Lawrence v. Arianna Grande. --Milowenthasspoken 00:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
User:The ed17 says we can put in an article next week. Also we should link to it from the Top 25 report (something I didn't do last year). BTW, I hope you're not doing the Traffic Report; the delay this week means we missed the Signpost, so it's probably best to skip the week and get back up to date next week, rather than being a week behind for eternity. Serendipodous 12:46, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Whoa, the signpost published on time? Thanks for the heads up! I'll complete the Top 25 for this week, but likely without great detail. I can still do next week if you'd like.--Milowenthasspoken 13:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the new editors will be trying to set harder deadlines than I ever did. ;-) I was thinking that you could write up the yearly stats for a /Special report? Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 17:13, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

New report?[edit]

How goes it? Serendipodous 13:08, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

  • sitting down to do it now!--Milowenthasspoken 13:43, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
BTW, who created that editing traffic report? I need to link it to my toolbox. Serendipodous 13:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Jessica Dykstra[edit]

Why did you remove the copyvio warnings from Jessica Dykstra? Deunanknute (talk) 05:42, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

  • Deunanknute, for reason stated in my edit summary, "regardless of notability, those pages are variations or mirrors of the prior version of this article - remove speedy deletion template". This article has been deleted twice before I believe, but the other sites copied it.--Milowenthasspoken 05:49, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh, I thought you were referring to the article being a variation of it's deleted version. Thanks. Deunanknute (talk) 06:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

This should help you with the top 25 report :-)[edit]

Call me if you need more context :-) Serendipodous 21:03, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Top 25 report[edit]

Just found out this existed.... very interesting, and very well-written! Something with actual intended humor on here :-) Wikimandia (talk) 05:49, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Presentation proposal for Wikimania 2015[edit]

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How did you find out about Kanye? That was driving me nuts. Serendipodous 19:48, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Top 25 - March 22-28 2015[edit]

For reference this week:

Oh, and in case you missed some gleeful political irony:

People really seem to care about this:

I mean REALLY:

Breaking Bad and Wayne Gretzky look fake.

Oh, and in case you are one of the three males on Earth (and me) who don't watch Top Gear: Serendipodous 10:56, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

And you will doubtless be pleased to know that Stephen Hawking's numbers continue to drop. Serendipodous 11:02, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the early scoops! That passport thing is odd to be that popular., apparently its been around awhile but only got viral enough this past week, though I don't see a reddit thread helping it get there yet. The know your meme page is only 4 days old which is good indicator that it was a low-level joke before now. Odd that its #1 despite not being an culturally widespread as something like the Harlem Shake was.--Milowenthasspoken 11:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

And the kiljoys killed the audio recording. I don't know why; everyone said to keep the original. Still, I suppose this is an abject lesson in why Wikipedia is such a poor meme generator. Weird that they subbed what was apparently a genuine Bhutanese guy for someone who sounds Dutch. Serendipodous 16:53, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Still on Youtube though!

and it already has its own remixes!

Isa Khan[edit]

Hi, please do not do this again. As was clearly stated in the edit summary where it was removed, see User:Sitush/Common#Castecats. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 03:51, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

  • I reverted you, the category is not to be used for people. Do it again and you shall be banished for eternity.--Milowenthasspoken 19:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Okay, if its the reason because the category wasnt for people then i accept itAhendra (talk) 01:18, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Happy April Fools Day! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:59, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
I think I laughed too hard at this. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:32, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

What happened?[edit]

Hey buddy!

You changed your user page. Is anyone reporting to you now? What's up with that? North America1000 05:20, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

  • LOL, NA, I removed that in a delusional fit of reasonableness. I claim elder statesman status now, where people just have to realize I'm omnipotent without me telling them. Hope all is well with you.--Milowenthasspoken 05:36, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification regarding my important inquiry. As an elder statesman, you shan't be banished for eternity. North America1000 05:38, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for help on H+K[edit]

A nice hot coffee for you

Hi there, hope you had a lovely weekend! Just in case you're swamped with pings for various things right now, I wanted to drop you a quick note here to say thank you again for your time in looking at my proposed updates for the Hill+Knowlton article and editing the article. In case you get a moment, I was able to get an image of John Hill released under CC-BY-3.0 and uploaded to Commons, would be great if you could add it to the article. Link is in Talk page messages, here. No worries if you're busy elsewhere, you've already been super helpful! Cheers, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

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Adolf Hitler[edit]

Just in case you were wondering, there was a spike on his 126th birthday on Apr 20. Popular guy. Would have made more sense on his 125th, but it might have something to do with his upcoming 70th deathday on Apr 30.

Oh, and Nessie's a Google Doodle; 81st anniversary of the Surgeon's photograph. Check this out Serendipodous 11:22, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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Traffic report cited in study[edit]

Cool! Moved to Wikipedia_talk:Top_25_Report#Traffic_Report_cited_by_study where I will comment further!--Milowenthasspoken 13:40, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

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I'm busy today[edit]

but I can do it tomorrow. Serendipodous 12:18, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

BTW, I'm going to be out of the country next week so we may as well swap around. Serendipodous 19:01, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[edit]

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Doomsday asteroids[edit]

Milowent summoned me.

Milowent, asteroids colliding with Earth are right up my alley. I wrote the wiki article about the Earth-impacting asteroid 2014 AA before even Peter Jenniskens knew about it. I assumed he had already been contacted. Oops. I was still the first to let him know after I had a wiki-page up about it. -- Kheider (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Fascinating stuff! I recently read A Short History of Nearly Everything and really enjoyed the section on asteroid impacts. As you commented on the notice board, few people are willing to wade into such debates unless they consider themselves experts. Or people like me who've been around long enough to know that subject matter expertise is not the same as procedural expertise.--Milowenthasspoken 16:40, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Dude. You can make asteroids hit the Earth? I've gotta stop disagreeing with you in AfDs. Okay, keep already. I always wondered exactly what the limits of your willingness to include might be, and now I know: all the objects in the sky. At some point, can't we delete the very tiny ones? If I've misunderstood or mis-stated your position at ANI, please correct me here. BusterD (talk) 06:05, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
  • BusterD, thanks for your kind and fair words at ANI. I really don't think every object in the sky is notable, I was primarily concerned at what I consider an ill-considered use of AfD. A few of these AfDs are even getting withdrawn because the objects are found to be notable. But even as to those articles which should be rightfully redirected, those articles have content which could be merged into more comprehensive list articles.--Milowenthasspoken 23:02, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
Will wonders never cease? You and I have finally seen an issue exactly the same way. If anything large enters the atmosphere, leave a message on my talk page first. Thanks. BusterD (talk) 23:47, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

They also tried to re-direct the mother ship because obviously any object that is 6 km in diameter, highly reflective, takes 418 hours to rotate, and has a rare asteroid type has sinister plans for us all. :) -- Kheider (talk) 20:29, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Heh heh[edit]

"I agree that my language against Boleyn was unnecessarily strong despite the silliness of it, and promise not to repeat that behavior. I also promise to call off all notable and non-notable asteroids I previously had summoned towards Earth at high velocity."

I don't care who you are, that's funny. Too often some of us take ourselves too seriously in XfD discussions, and a little humor is always welcome, even if it is occasionally at my expense. Kudos to you, funny man. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 12:16, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject TAFI[edit]

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RfC: Religion in infoboxes of nations[edit]

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I think Andrew may have left[edit]

Bit unceremonious of him if true, but I can't really blame him. It's tough to perform a vital function that this site should be running for itself and not get any recognition for it. Ditto for Henrik. Note how the analytics team goes into a tizzy every time his site shuts down. I may ask Oliver if there is an alternative. Serendipodous 12:34, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

  • Whoa. i've just sent him an email, I should have done that last week, I guess we'll know what's up soon.--Milowenthasspoken 12:57, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

I've done mine; how is yours going?[edit]

You should do the latest one first. Serendipodous 21:08, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I was really tired when I wrote that. It came across as bitching. Do you want me to do it? Serendipodous 07:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Lol, I didn't take it as bitching. I'm going to see if I can't pump it out starting now.--Milowenthasspoken 12:04, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Do you want me to do the next update? You haven't edited in four days. Serendipodous 23:08, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

I will be busy next Sunday (Wiki meetup); are you up for next week's reports? Serendipodous 07:22, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Serendipodous, yes, please, I would be happy to do it. I get back in town on sunday so that works fine.--Milowenthasspoken 12:36, 5 August 2015 (UTC)

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Not a lot of imponderables this week[edit]

"Tillingdale" is a Reddit thread.

N. W. A. and Dr Dre are probably due to the biopic released next week

Serendipodous 07:39, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks! It will get done today (UTC).--Milowenthasspoken 11:43, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and I wasn't sure if you were coming in today so I started my own version (only did the top 3 though) may help speed things along. Serendipodous 12:03, 10 August 2015 (UTC)

Imponderables this week[edit]

Looks like we're in for another NWA thang. One headsup: mention of Dr Dre should probably include something about this

Judge Judy is a Reddit thread

So is Inglorious Basterds

Morton Downey Jr is a documentary aired on CNN

the rest are pretty straightforward. Stephen Hawking's voice software is online free; Jason Day won the PGAs 20 strokes under par etc. Serendipodous 11:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks!--Milowenthasspoken 12:33, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
You seem pretty busy right now; do you want me to do it instead? Serendipodous 13:01, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Seren, I won't get to it til tomorrow, so please go ahead if you wish. I'm sorry for my lack of availability -- odd work hours these days.--Milowenthasspoken 15:37, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I can get started on it. Serendipodous 16:00, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
I've been having internet connection problems today. But don't worry; we're not on a deadline. Serendipodous 18:44, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

You up to doing the report this week? I have a wiki meetup today, and will be busy most other days. And Ellen went off in a huff. Serendipodous 09:15, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Hey, Seren, yes I can do it (and I can't slack forever!)--Milowenthasspoken 18:57, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Potential admin[edit]

Hi, I notice you're on Wikipedia:List of administrator hopefuls. Wikipedia would benefit from more admins. If you have been editing for more than 12 months (preferably 24+ months), and have been editing fairly consistently for the past 6 months (preferably 12+ months) with at least 100 edits a month (this tool will help) - or an explanation for any gaps, and haven't been blocked or topic banned in the past three years - or a good explanation for a recent block or ban, don't have a recent history of edit warring or arguing with other editors, feel you can explain why you wish to be an admin, can demonstrate some understanding of Wikipedia's procedures and processes, or know where to go for guidance, and are confident enough to go through a RfA, please get in touch with me. We can talk about it some more, and if all looks OK, I'll nominate you. SilkTork ✔Tea time 12:19, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Hi. I notice you haven't responded. No worries. I'll mark you down on my list as not interested at the moment, but if you do change your mind, please do get in touch on my talkpage or by email. No promises as I've not yet looked into your contribution history, but I do like that you are willing to put yourself forward as an admin, so I'm happy to give you support, honest opinion, and advice when you're ready. Regards SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:40, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

SilkTork, thanks for your follow-up note. I started to prepare a response to your first message and then sat back to consider it further. I think I have a lot going for me, but I'm a bit of an oddball as well.

  • I've been a regular editor for 6 years now, and a significant content contributor. (Currently something like #1721 of all time article creators). I created WP:UBLPR which eliminated the backlog of unreferenced BLPs in 2010-2011, and created the WP:TOP25 report (though Serendipodous deserves primary credit for its continued existence). I've never been blocked, banned, etc. And I think I could help the project by doing admin tasks including resolving editor disputes, closing AfDs, deleting expired PRODS, handling REFUND requests, etc.
  • But I've seen how RFAs go. Over the years, I occasionally have been dragged to ANI over disputes after appearing to go bonkers in connection to a content dispute. See, e.g., [3]. A primary example might be in 2013 where I intervened to strongly counteract the creation of "woman novelist" categories, e.g., Amanda_Filipacchi#Wikipedia_op-ed and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive795#User:Milowent_has_engaged_in_unsupported_personal_attacks.2C_insults_and_disruptive_emptying_of_categories_under_discussion. It was a black eye on Wikipedia and I among many other editors stemmed the tide; but even that serious issue could stand some silly humour. In the context of these debates, I have made ridiculous claims (such as that I was going to make an asteroid collide with earth to stop a mass AfD of asteriod articles instead of guidelines discussions to come up with basic rules), though often the complainer about me has been the one actually banned or disciplined because I merely elevated the attention given to the problem, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive740#Harassing_messages_from_User:Milowent.
  • These shenanigans would have to cease in an admin role; when an employee gets promoted into management that's no longer appropriate (though Wikipediocracy assumes otherwise [4] "I will be instructing my stockbroker to move a substantial share of my portfolio into Jiffy Pop"), and I really don't think I've done anything too bad. Especially considering some of the delusional folks who run for adminship, without a chance. I've gotten many thanks and barnstars for bringing humor into disputes, I like to think I'm a positive force for the good of the universe.

So should have a few spare minutes, I would appreciate your input and honest opinion into whether it is worthwhile to propose myself for adminship. I don't want to waste anyone's time, including my own or yours, on that endeavor if it doesn't make sense to try. (Also, talk page lurkers, you are free to add your comments or jokes.)Milowenthasspoken 16:41, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

Can't think of a joke, how about a haiku:
You'll wonder where the
troubles went when you put your
trust in Milowent.
Best wishes, Novickas (talk) 15:19, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Hopefully this doesn't mean the trouble got much worse. :-) --Milowenthasspoken 18:59, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

I would love to help with the Traffic report next week[edit]

Please let me know how best to help! EllenCT (talk) 00:18, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

  • EllenCT, that would be great! Why don't you take a swing at drafting the next Top 25? The WP:5000 will be updated about 7 hours after midnight UTC on Sunday. Typically I copy the current Top 25 into my sandbox, and create the new report starting with that. Using the WP:5000, we make sure we exclude articles with very high mobile or very low mobile counts (its usually obvious, because the subjects are not anything popular in reality), and work our way through the top 25. I usually write my summary after doing the Top25, and then make a truncated version of the top 10 for the Signpost. I will plan to look at the WP:5000 when it is issued and make any comments of relevance on why some things might be popular (like a reddit thread,etc, you've been reading long enough to know the sort of stuff we see). Procedurally, when the new Top25 is ready, we copy the old one into an archive page, and replace the current one with the new one (updating links to next/last report). Let me know if you have any other questions-- you can also email me at milo_went at Cheers!--Milowenthasspoken 14:30, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Pinging Serendipodous for any additional comments he may have.--Milowenthasspoken 14:31, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Thank you and Serendipodous both. I got as far as User:EllenCT/DraftTop10 but before I continue I would like to ask you both about how you choose themes in general and what themes in particular you see in that list. I'm also not exactly sure what needs to be done for the top 25 -- is there a top 25 list with commentary, too? EllenCT (talk) 15:18, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks EllenCT. As for themes, just look at topics with multiple slots. Obviously, the running theme this week, as it has been for the last three weeks, is Straight Outta Compton. Another is the onset of video game season, with the releases of Until Dawn and Metal Gear Solid 5. A third is horror, with the release of Until Dawn coinciding with the death of Wes Craven. And obviously the popularity of Narcos is worth noting as well. BTW, We Are Your Friends is likely on this list because it is one of the biggest box office bombs in history. Boxofficemojo is one of the unsung arrows in our quiver. Serendipodous 17:27, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
Thanks again! I added that We Are Your Friends link. EllenCT (talk) 18:32, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Okay, Milowent, I'm pretty happy with the current state of User:EllenCT/DraftTop10. Please let me know your comments and how to do the top-25. EllenCT (talk) 18:57, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

  • EllenCT, this looks great! For the top 25, simply extend what you've done through the Top 25 places. I do think we'll need to pull out the non-free images, or someone will pull them out for us, its not worth debating those folks. The Top 10 can be submitted to the signpost (if you are unsure how to do it, let me know, trial and error will work too!).--Milowenthasspoken 12:42, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

Stub-class stubs[edit]

Hi. Some weeks ago, you removed a stub template from The Girl on the Train (novel) with the summary, “not really a stub!” Unless I misunderstand the relationship between stub-class articles and article stubs, this article, assessed Stub-Class by WikiProject Novels (edit: by you—that’s surprising), is a stub. If I’m wrong, please point me to something that explains the difference, because I looked and didn’t find anything. Thanks. — (talk) 00:41, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

  • Greetings! When I "assessed" the article, it was a very short one that I had created. Its at least a "start" by now, if not a "C". See Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Assessment#Quality_scale, which I've also never looked at before. My rule of thumb is that an article with no subdivisions, simply a paragraph or so, is a stub. Once it is fleshed out with more sections, including plot and infobox, its at least a "start."--Milowenthasspoken 11:29, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
    • That seems a good rule of thumb. I’ll self-revert that stub template and change the article to Start-Class. Or does that need to be done by someone in the WikiProject? Oh well, someone will revert if it’s a problem. Thanks for clarifying! — (talk) 22:25, 9 September 2015 (UTC)


Re: your remarks @ AfD Robot Dance. I'll improve my life by never coming near an edit to an urban dance article again. Too many hobbyists like yourself there. Cheers. Tapered (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

And irony but no sarcasm, thanks for helping me define the issue for myself. Regards Tapered (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
  • Haha, I am sure you are right, Tapered. I have no special interest in dance crazes; I'm a fan of significant pop culture of any century, whether it be a Sumerian schoolboy musings, the bestselling racist American novel of 1837, or a dance craze of 1974. I prefer Herodotus over Thucydides, and I suppose it affects how I approach notability. But without Herodotus, we'd never know that Phoenicians circumnavigated Africa. This may not be the same as Michael Jackson circumnavigating the Soul Train stage, I admit.--Milowenthasspoken 19:31, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
↑This response. Is awesome.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 19:46, 15 September 2015 (UTC)
Just read your curriculum vitae here @ Wikipedia. You're an administrator. An editor admits to editing as a fan--it's there in the paragraph--and you applaud. With all due respect, I question your position as an admin. I'm a fan too, but it's a different hat than editor. Tapered (talk) 10:10, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Lol, you're just trollin' now.--Milowenthasspoken 20:00, 20 September 2015 (UTC)
Do you know the term/category of argument, "label and dismiss?" If not--you embody it nicely. I questioned an administrator's qualifications, and explained exactly why. You label it "trolling" to dismiss it. That stinks. Tapered (talk) 23:37, 22 September 2015 (UTC)


Well excuse me for improving the encyclopedia, and thanks for the personal attack. Cheers! zzz (talk) 02:16, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

  • zzz, nothing personal about it. I am pleased to help orient you to normal human social interactions.--Milowenthasspoken 02:18, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
Uh, "orient you to normal human social interactions" ... nothing personal, but maybe you should get out more. zzz (talk) 02:22, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
  • For the record, Signedzzz was blocked within one day of the above comments, for other similar unbecoming behavior.--Milowenthasspoken 15:39, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Hillary Dennis Rodman Clinton[edit]

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Please do not create pages are blatant hoxes as you did with... that's funniest thing I've seen in a long time! Ok, let's start again. Please do not create pages are blatant hoxes as you did with... Hillary Dennis Rodman Clinton! No, wait, I can do this with a straight face. Please do not create pages are blatant hoxes as you did with... that was just brilliant satire. And I seem to have temporarily misplaced my WP:ADMIN hat. Look, can I get back to you about this some time later on?--Shirt58 (talk) 09:45, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Shirt58, I am duly admonished. For the viewing public, this was only a redirect, and arose during the insanely long debate over the proper naming of Hillary Clinton.--Milowenthasspoken 17:32, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I noticed there was no Top 25 this week[edit]

I would have done it but my computer has been offline for the last two weeks. Since doing one takes six hours minimum, I will probably focus on doing next week's when the data come out tomorrow. If you don't want to do this week's, that's fine, we'll just copy/paste the raw list like last time. Has Ellen explained her issue with exclusions yet? Serendipodous 17:50, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Serendipodous, egads thanks for the note. I had asked Ellen to do it, and she had indicated she would do it, so something must have prevented her. I am not sure what you mean about the exclusions, I saw some references to it a few weeks ago but did not know what the issue was. I will create last week's missing report in the next few days. Thanks.--Milowenthasspoken 12:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Just created Wikipedia/Top 25 Report/September 20 to 26, 2015. Now working on this week's report. Serendipodous 11:43, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you![edit]

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Hi, I stole your "FreeCarol" code and modified for use on my User talk. Thanks! IHTS (talk) 23:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

  • IHTS, lol, its free for the taking. Even consummate trolls like Penyulap may merit remembrances.--Milowenthasspoken 12:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)


I have a Reddit gate on my userpage if you need it. Just type in "url:" and then the wikipedia URL, and it should take you to the TIL thread. I say "should", because even then it doesn't always work. A good alternative is to do a custom range time Google search of the two days of the Reddit spike for the article title, and you should find it within a few minutes. Serendipodous 11:56, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

  • Thanks!. I was a bit lazy on the Samburu search and pleased that another editor was able to find it and willing to share it.--Milowenthasspoken 12:24, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Comment at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Vested contributors[edit]

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  • L235, thanks for the notice, I will go look and address. I should have known better -- i know very little about the arbitration process, I just felt a need to provide quick feedback to a potentially troublesome initial issue.--Milowenthasspoken 12:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
  • Ah, it appears my plea was heard. I am going to leave the comment alone since it seems to be addressed already.--Milowenthasspoken 12:17, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Halloween cheer![edit]

Black hole[edit]

did you hear back from Oliver? Serendipodous 09:33, 1 November 2015 (UTC)

Would you like me to contact Oliver for you? Serendipodous 18:48, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Serendipodous, I just sent him a quick email and copied you, thanks for bugging me, this had fallen off my radar... into a ... [groan].--Milowenthasspoken 19:29, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I didn't even consider that someone would go to that trouble just to screw with a page that gets 5000 hits a month, but then, this is the Internet; it's amazing what some people will bother to do. Serendipodous 13:53, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

About section[edit]

Looks good, and may go some way to assuaging criticisms of the page. Serendipodous 21:59, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Serendipodous, great, I'll try to incorporate it. I should probably add something diplomatic about NPOV not applying.--Milowenthasspoken 22:04, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Bellevue, Mississippi[edit]

Please explain your deletion of sourced content on Bellevue, Mississippi. The edits you reverted were sourced, and had removed unsourced edits. My edits were an attempt to position this proposed place within the context of Mississippi. It was an entirely good faith edit, yet you accused me in your edit summary the opposite. Please explain yourself. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:54, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Magnolia677, I saw your comment on John's page.[5] Why don't you write a letter to the Hattieburg American asking if Bellevue exists? It would make for a ton of fun if they've published it. You've argued again and again that the place doesn't exist, you lost the AFD in a landslide. Just take a break for a bit. I didn't intend to delete any new sourcing if I did so.--Milowenthasspoken 05:10, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
You added that Bellevue is located around "U.S. Route 98 corridor and Mississippi Highway 589", and this is not supported by the source you cited. Please explain. Magnolia677 (talk) 05:19, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
I'll look once you agree to stay away from the article for at least a week. I know that information was included in articles I found in researching the community, a community you contend does not exist.--Milowenthasspoken 05:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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A cupcake for you![edit]

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Phoenix Central School District[edit]

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  • Ally, you should take down all this personal stuff you have up about yourself on wikipedia, its not wise. I know you've been screwing around on here, I just can't tell how intentionally you're doing it.--Milowenthasspoken 16:15, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
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Top 25 report update[edit]

Not a lot of imponderables this week; Jacklyn H. Lucas is a Reddit thread. Lady Colin Campbell is, rather astonishingly, competing in a UK reality TV show. Serendipodous 11:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and apparently Eagles of Death Metal are not actually a death metal band. If I didn't hate metal so much I probably would have gone far enough to find that out. Serendipodous 16:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

It seems User:HalloweenNight has beaten us to the punch. This has complicated things. Serendipodous 20:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

  • Seren, I saw that was reverted. LOL, what a bold tosser. I presume he had no idea about the infrastructure behind the reports.--Milowenthasspoken 02:43, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Credit where it's due; that took a lot of effort. He just needed to improve his Wikiquette, that's all. Personally, if more people want to get involved, that's fine by me; they just need to discuss it first. Serendipodous 10:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Charles Felton Pidgin[edit]

Hi. Yes indeed. He was a very interesting man. Had a good career as a playwright and songwriter. Was employed by the Massachusetts Bureau of Statistics. Started to lose his eyesight around 1900. Quincy Adams Sawyer and Blennerhassett were two pretty big sellers. He wrote a number of books beyond those. Yes, Quincy Adams Sawyer was filmed in 1912, but the bigger one came out in 1922 with Lon Chaney and Blanche Sweet. His positive portrayal of Aaron Burr in Blennerhassett stirred things up. He was a Burr enthusiast. Kennethclark17 (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


That's a good article. You did a good job with that. Well done. Kennethclark17 (talk) 01:51, 7 January 2016 (UTC)


Hi. Yes, that number came from the article in the Riverside Daily Press cited in the Carro Clark wikipedia article. That reflected total sales by the end of the decade. I have read it. It's long and tedious. Too many plot twists, layers of plots and sub-plots. I've also read Blennerhassett. He sure knew his stuff, but what a long, thick story too. I get probably find a copy of the article with the number. What's Wikipedia's policy on emails? I have no problem giving that to you, but I don't want to get in trouble with Wikipedia. Again, great work on the Pidgin article. He really was a fascinating guy and what a great career he had. Kennethclark17 (talk) 18:35, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Ken, you can email me at milowent AT gmail dot com, that article is out of copyright though its fair use to share something like that between researchers as well. Thanks for your kind comments on the article. I'm reading The Climax now (about 65% thru), its quite amusing, his adulation of Burr is deep.--Milowenthasspoken 19:16, 8 January 2016 (UTC)


Just making sure that reached you ok. Kennethclark17 (talk) 23:14, 8 January 2016 (UTC)

I would appreciate it if you would do this week[edit]

I have an FAR staring at me, which will take some time. Serendipodous 14:54, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

  • No problem, Seren, I'm happy to do it.--Milowenthasspoken 15:06, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

Fine with the title but[edit]

why did you delete the last paragraph? Serendipodous 01:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Help with COI request[edit]

Hi, Milowent, Happy New Year! How are you? Having worked with you previously (on Hill+Knowlton Strategies), I know you to be a knowledgeable and thorough editor when it comes to reviewing COI requests, and I think that's needed on the MetLife page. This past year, I’ve been working on behalf of MetLife to propose improvements to their article, but have had some difficulty getting editors to respond to my requests or discuss the edits being made to the page. Although some positive changes have been made, there are some new issues that have been introduced and some outstanding problems I would like to address. In particular, I'm hoping to correct inaccuracies and bring the page inline with Wikipedia’s citation guidelines. I posted a note to the Talk page back in November, to summarize and clarify the outstanding requests, but so far I haven’t had any replies.

As you know from working with me in the past, due to my COI, I will not make any edits to the page myself, which is why I’m instead posting here in hopes you might be interested in reviewing the current issues and my requests. I’m watching the Talk page and will gladly respond to any comments or questions there. Many thanks in advance, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 02:29, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi again, I'm still struggling to find anyone to help with my requests over on MetLife. If it would be easier, I can put a full draft of what I'm thinking for the article into my userspace. Let me know if you can help! Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 22:04, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
  • Hi 16912 Rhiannon! I am willing to help, I know it is hard to find people willing to pitch in. I think a draft of what you are contemplating would be easier for me to digest.--Milowenthasspoken 17:26, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
That's so great! I've started up a new section on the Talk page already, linking to a full draft in my user space. To make what I'm proposing vs. the current article really clear, I started with the markup for the current version and have made individual edits to add in my proposed changes. Since the History was already updated based on a draft of mine and then edited afterwards, I've largely left that as is, and just made edits to fix a couple of small things there. I'm very grateful for any time you can spare to look at this! Thanks, 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 19:31, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
  • Thanks. I'll need to do a compare-write version on my own I guess, so I can get comfortable with the nature of the changes.--Milowenthasspoken 19:59, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Thank YOU so much for helping with this. Before the weekend, I wanted to check in and see if you had any questions so far or if anything in the draft isn't clear? 16912 Rhiannon (Talk · COI) 18:17, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

RfC announce: Religion in infoboxes[edit]

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Top 25 list[edit]

Hi, Milowent,
Wikipedia:Top 25 Report shows the chart from Dec. 27 - Jan. 2 and I was wondering if there were charts for Jan. 3 - Jan. 9 and Jan. 10 - Jan. 16. I know it's a bit early for the list from this weekend but I thought I'd ask. Thanks and happy new year to you! Liz Read! Talk! 19:15, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

  • Egads, I fell into a rabbit hole [6]. Thanks for the note. I see Seren has the next report up, I will fill in the gap report in the next day or so.--Milowenthasspoken 13:37, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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