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Archive for December 2011

Not everything needs to be archived

In a low-activity talk page such as Talk:Pacific Ocean, I don't see the point of archiving discussions, like was done here: [1]

1. The page is not too large, or the thread too long. 2. It is not difficult to find threads, as there was a total of only 8 topics. 3. Threads with no signature and no date were left alone, and some of these are from 2006 or earlier. 4. One thread which had its last signed post in 2006 was left untouched.

Is it really necessary to archive talk pages this short? Ufwuct (talk) 20:29, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, this is controlled by the settings on the page. The bot did leave the correct number of sections. Also the bot does not archive any sections that have no dates or bad dates since it can not be sure that those sections should be archived. So your issue seems to be that too few current sections are left because of the bad dated ones. I'll manually archive the old ones which anyone can do. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:01, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Could someone explain which settings on Pacific Ocean talk page dictate how the bot performs its archiving? I really wonder what type of settings would leave only one topic on the talk page (as of right now). And can these be changed?
Also, I left a note on this talk page on 11/22, before Thanksgiving, and I just thought I'd look today at it for a response. It has been 10 days since then. I noticed that this has been archived already (maybe an automatic end-of-month action?). Am I the only one who thinks this is an unnecessarily short time before archiving discussions?
Thanks. Ufwuct (talk) 22:39, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
minthreadsleft is what controls this. Since there were bad dates in several sections, the bot ran correctly and left those 6, 5 of which had bad/missing dates. So when those were manually removed it left one section. Normal activity will return this to 6 active sections over time. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
What determines minthreadsleft should be 6, along with the other settings? Is this the class of the article? The bot? Wikipedia policy? Or it just left up to the initial editor as [this] seems to suggest? Ufwuct (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Judgment call by those enabling the settings. Generally 4-6 threads on an article page are normal. As to the archiving of your post on this page, I believe I missed it. We try to handle inquiries here as the bot owner has been inactive for some time. I'll adjust the archiving to something longer.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 16:59, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Just a heads up

Hi. :) Love your bot, and I realize that you're not particularly active at the moment, but I wanted to let you know that it may be giving some issues with archiving ANI. I've put a note at AN about it. Talk page stalkers also welcome to help out there. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:25, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Updating that the problem is not the bot; it's the search bar. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 14:23, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Bot skipping sections

For some reason, the bot isn't archiving the top section of Talk:Murder of Meredith Kercher. It seems to have one valid datestamp "13:47, 4 October 2011‎ (UTC)", so what's the problem?
—WWoods (talk) 21:38, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

(bearing in mind that I'm involved there) I'll have a look and adjust if I can.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 21:41, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It skipped over a slew of sections on Talk:Two envelopes problem/Arguments. The ones where I dug through the page history to add the datestamps. Arrgh. Why does it care when or how the date was added? Something about the date being inside "<span class="autosigned"> ... </span>"?
—WWoods (talk) 20:45, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

I've removed the span tags and the trailing HTML comment on the first thread to see if you're on the right path. This makes me wonder if it is related to the rollout of the newer Wiki interface.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 23:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Bot talk pages

Hello. It appears that MiszaBot I, II, and III's talk pages originally redirected to here, but you seem to be unaware that the redirects at User talk:MiszaBot II and User talk:MiszaBot III have since been replaced by messages, including a bug report. You might want to take a look at them; III's talk page history also contains some erased messages. jcgoble3 (talk) 18:09, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you; I've restored the redirects where a banned sock removed them. I've placed the comments/questions farther down this page.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 23:48, 7 December 2011 (UTC)


Greetings. MiszaBot III, you do sterling work archiving my talk page for which I am grateful. Your most recent effort suggested that there may be some tweaks which your esteemed bot master could perhaps make to improve your effectiveness. If you look at your contributions here, here and here you will see that you correctly identified that the archive was full: you successfully moved two talk topics, one to the older archive and one to a new archive. On closer inspection, you may find that you omitted to move the top topic from the talk page, and archived instead the second and third topics. This is by no means a complaint, and I do not believe I have found a serious problem - but I thought I should alert you. Best wishes, RobertGtalk 08:09, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

You've archived it manually, but the problem was that the datestamp you added had the date but not full format, including the time: "13:46, 17 September 2010‎ (UTC)".
—WWoods (talk) 07:46, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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Lost Archive Data?

Perhaps I've missed something but when MiszaII did this I was a bit confused to not find it in the archives. I suspect that it failed because the string was globally blacklisted, however if the contents of the discussion could be placed in the archive it would allow us to have the reference (annother set of IP addresses are trying to donate material that they don't have ownership of) Hasteur (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:Sikora1 d.jpg

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Non-free rationale for File:Sikora1 d.jpg

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Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Hammersoft (talk) 15:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Failure to archive

This edit by MiszaBot III should have removed the section User Talk:Arthur Rubin#Commons File license since it removed seven more recent sections. Obviously that section has been overlooked many times before. I tried removing some special characters in the signature which might have inhibited the bot, but that did not work. So this appears to be another bug in the bot. Please fix it. JRSpriggs (talk) 13:20, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

After Berean Hunter (talk · contribs) made some unsuccessful attempts to get the bot to archive the section, I did it by hand. JRSpriggs (talk) 11:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
I tried but didn't know why it wouldn't archive. Just one of those quirks, I guess...
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 16:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)


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MiszaBot II

Please could you enable MiszaBot II for the MediaWiki talk namespace, we'd like to set up an auto-archive for MediaWiki talk:Bad image list. Cheers, Thryduulf (talk) 14:48, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I've added parameters that should work and also added an index page. We should see them both work within the next day.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 17:14, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Mistake? Bug?

Hi Bot, what happened here? The bot just threw away some recent threads. These are the changes to my talk page since the previous successful archival action of the bot. Do you think I did something wrong there? Cheers and TIA for looking into this. - DVdm (talk) 14:19, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

This is another one like this section above where the bot tried to archive itself. Those pipes are supposed to be flush and not indented, I believe, so that it recognizes them as parameters. I believe that is in the How-to document. I have corrected these on your page.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 16:44, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Ha, so indeed I did something wrong. Good to know it was a RTFD-problem. Thanks and cheers! - DVdm (talk) 16:48, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, found it..."The bot expects to see only one parameter per line. The closing }} must be on its own line. There must be no leading spaces before the pipes. If you drop out the newlines used in the above example, e.g. by wrapping the template invocation onto a single line, the bot may not do what you expect."
...and now we know what happens when it isn't arranged just to the bit bucket. :)
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 16:53, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Minor Bug report, no attention needed.

Hi Michał,

Barnstar - technical works.svg The Technical Barnstar
Dave: Archive the Talkpage Misza,
Misza 9000: I'm sorry Dave, but I can't do that.
Dave: What's the problem?
Misza 9000: I think you know what the problem is just as well as I do.
Dave: What are you talking about, Misza?
Misza 9000: Dave, this conversation can serve no purpose anymore. Goodbye.
(Archiving 1 thread(s) (older than 24h) to /dev/null.)
-PenyulapTalk Dec 2011

I noticed a bug, which I'm unable to pinpoint the cause of, and I'm giving up trying. I mention it, as it may be easier to treat it from the programming end. If MiszaBot II's functioning for deleting text (moving to /dev/null) had an extra safeguard that'd be cool. In a tiny number of cases, less than 20 I think, on three pages, MiszaBot II moved to null without being specifically requested by his users to do so. The revision history pages here and here during 2011, and here in the latter half of 2011 illustrate the minor problem. I apologize if you are already aware of this problem. I prefer replies on my talkpage Penyulap talk 06:54, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The bot archived itself (or tried to). Weird. In each case, the bot's code has been indented one space, instead of having the "|"s at the left margin. As I recall, this bot does not ignore such spaces; it looks for "<linefeed>|" as the separator between parameters.
—WWoods (talk) 22:01, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Related thread below.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 19:06, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

MiszaBot III not archiving

MiszaBot III has not archived my talk page for 20 days. Please note that it has archived my talk page last on 2nd December and my talk page has 23 posts currently. All my paremeters are correct and proper in the template but it is not archiving. I think the bot's too tired.--Ankit Maity Talkcontribs 06:11, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't you have the bot set to archive after 31 days? The oldest post is November 24. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:43, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh, yes.--Ankit Maity Talkcontribs 07:09, 23 December 2011 (UTC)


Hi, folks from cs wiki would like to set up archiving bot, is it possible to send me a source of misza bot which you are using for archiving? Thank you Petrb (talk) 17:55, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

United States Environmental Protection Agency

Hi, Misza. There seems to be some kind of problem with archiving the talk page of the United States Environmental Protection Agency. By this edit MiszaBot I removed old topics from the talk page but not archived them at the archive page. Beagel (talk) 19:09, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

There was a blacklisted url in the text of what it tried to was disallowed. I restored the text and mangled the url so it should archive correctly on the next go round.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 20:40, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Beagel (talk) 12:04, 30 December 2011 (UTC)


Why has MiszaBot ignored and deleted my parameters in this edit: Lmatt (talk) 18:36, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Same situation as above. Those pipes should not be indented; looks like you have it corrected now.
⋙–Berean–Hunter—► 14:57, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I have fixed it, but I suggest improvements to the parser. Lmatt (talk) 18:56, 31 December 2011 (UTC)