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William Thorold

Sorry, I know know nothing more about him. I've added a DOI link to the electronic edition of the obit (requires a subscription, though), or you can read snippets through Google Books. Hqb (talk) 15:56, 17 November 2007 (UTC)


I'm unfamiliar with the process, so I went to #wikipedia where someone who knows what their doing should help. --Erroneuz1 (talk) 19:18, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Jenny Lind

Mjroots, sorry for the confusion under 'New research' on Jenny Lind. It took a little while for me to realized my mistakes :-). Jean de Beaumont (talk) 14:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Cone sisters

Since you did such an excellent job on tweaking my article on Michigan logging wheels, I would like you to look over my latest new article on the Cone sisters. It is a ten-fold expansion of the previous article and I just self nominated it as a DYK. If you see any tweaking that needs done feel free to jump in -OR- if you have any other suggestions, just put them here on your talk page. I appreciate any help I can get from you. Thanks.--Doug talk 00:19, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Watts

So far as I can tell, he is a really mobster. Notability is another question, but it doesn't seem to be "disparaging", as BLP forbids, just his resume, so to speak. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:26, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Henry Allingham

The article looks pretty good on a very brief scan. You need to format the newspaper references correctly, using the cite news template, I would suggest putting it in the queue at WP:GAN and carry on working on it as the wait may be up to a month. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:34, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi Mj – I will if I can get there in time, although it would need to continue into the late afternoon (I will be at work over in Worthing until 4.30pm). I'll keep an eye on the local press and see what I can do. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:05, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I've booked a day off work, so will be able to get some shots of the parade. (Probably some video as well: I'll take the camcorder, although I don't know how to get the footage on to the computer yet!) Procession will be setting off from St Dunstan's at 1100, so I'll aim for a spot on the coast road, probably by the Marina/Roedean, for best views. Not sure if I can then get back to the church in time for anything after that, but I'll see what I can do. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations on getting this to GA! I was so itchy to help adding refs etc. but thought best to leave it to you rather than tread on your toes. Well done! Thank you! SimonTrew (talk) 02:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ken Major

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Ken Major at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Materialscientist (talk) 12:26, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Kimi Raikkonen

Ah. Thanks for that. I was under the impression we were still operating on the countback system; if Button retired from every race and Raikkonen won all four, they'd both have eighty points, but I thought Raikkonen would have won it because he had the most recet victory. There's been a lot going on this season, so the changes are hard to keep track of. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Prisonermonkeys (talkcontribs) 07:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

That system has not been used for years —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Jim Hawkins

I accept that if the date of birth is questionable (which is why it was fact tagged) it should be deleted until confirmed. However you elected to rv all the edits I made, categorizations, etc., which I am restoring. It's easier and faster to just rv to a prior edition, but better to change only those things which need to be changed. (talk) 18:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:Joe Wilson

Well, the article seems to be surviving un-protection; it even had some decent content added by another IP. Admittedly, this was one biographic topic where the 24 hour news cycle sunk it's teeth in there for a while, but I've got a pretty good instinct about when the vandals have moved on to a new bauble. Indef is best kept to rare circumstances, imo. -- (talk) 23:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

I'll say this as an "experienced" admin- we are wary of imposing protection, because that goes against the open editing model; conversely in my experience preemptive semi-protection would, in retrospect, have been a wise move. You can't win, in general, but given also that I have seen more experienced admins than I remove lengthy WP:BLP protections, only to see BLP vandalism recommence almost immediately, I am convinced that optimism is in some ways misplaced. Let's not forget that protection is still open to {{editsemiprotected}} or an request on the protecting admin's Talk page, and that is without an independent review on WP:RFPP. Rodhullandemu 23:24, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I was only speaking to the case of this specific bio in this specific instance; since you don't cite your examples I can't speak to them. There are BLP's of the super-famous where I'd never dream of bothering WP:RFP about them, and bringing good faith discussion to the talk page is often enough to get the ball rolling for inaccuracies, new refs, etc. Even so, I don't think a six month or year long protection period presents an unreasonable burden for an administrative parole review, however brief, on merely semi-famous BLPs. Tomorrow, today's flash in the pan is more often than not yesterday's news. -- (talk) 00:02, 28 September 2009 (UTC)


Hey there Mjroots, not sure if you noticed, but Alwaysshawn (talk · contribs) reverted your edit in Selena after I brought it up at WP:ANI. Thought I'd let you know. — ξxplicit 23:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

John Barnett Humphreys

Hello Mjroots, having you by chance some information about John Barnett Humphreys. Please have a look at de:John Barnett Humphreys. We have no information about the birthday, the live after return to England and the death of him. Thank you for help. --Beaverbear (talk) 18:54, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Charles Fryatt

Hopefully this is the right section. :) The problem with Charles Fryatt is that when the article was created it copied the contents of [1], which includes contents by two different writers from two different sources, neither of which would appear to be pd. The situation was discovered this morning, evidently, and listed at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2009 December 9 by User:Jackyd101, who also noted the issue at Main Page/Errors. Evidently, the DYK hook was already on the front page at that time. User:Materialscientist said he would "try to fix that article in a moment" in response to the Main Page/Errors report, but I can't see that he did anything? He's a busy fellow, and nothing pops in his edit summaries. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:49, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I understand the panic. I'd have felt the same way, I'm sure. :) I'm still a bit confused and kind of alarmed about how all of this went down. As far as I can tell, nothing was done to delink that copyvio from the front page even though an administrator was notified of it and acknowledged that notification hours before the DYK update. Obviously, this is no fault of yours (and I've have been pretty bummed to lose a DYK myself because somebody else violated copyright), but that doesn't shine a good light on the project--admins ignoring copyvios. I think I need to bring this up at DYK. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:05, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Oh, yes, the copyvio was nothing to do with you. I'm just shocked that somebody pointed it out and the complaint was archived without action. That was nothing to do with you, either. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:10, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Just FYI, I've raised the matter here. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:16, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

←Wow! I'll say. :D Would you like me to go ahead and process it (being still an uninvolved admin and all)? Even if we get permission for the earlier text, we can just restore it under, since this is scads better. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

That's the main reason that I would do it, but, no, I don't think it would be a problem for you to do it yourself. It doesn't technically qualify for G12, since it doesn't meet the criteria. Generally, we'd keep it listed for a week at CP and then delete it under that criteria in the pull-down menu. But when a new article is written to replace an old one, I will usually delete the first under G6, with a note of explanation something like: "Copyright violation foundational. New article written to replace." (Only usually I'm sure I'm not that long-winded.) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Henry Allingham

Ah yes - much much better that way round - wish I'd thought of that! Thanks and best wishes, DBaK (talk) 10:10, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


Ha! You're quite right, I did mean to do something about that: thanks for the reminder. But please don't hold your breath - an honest answer to your question would be something like: "paining me from time to time, but unlikely to prove fatal, thank you." With all good wishes, DBaK (talk) 18:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Danielle Campbell

See my comments at WP:AN. I've never heard of her either, until tonight, but there was an AfD just last month to not allow an article on her. The editor is edit warring to keep creating the article, even though it's been salted. Woogee (talk) 07:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

They've been indef blocked for repeatedly creating the article. Woogee (talk) 07:11, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Sarah Carr

Article looks good so far. I agree with you the old page needed to be moved now we have more than one notable Sarah Carr. TheRetroGuy (talk) 20:14, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

List of people from Doncaster

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Excirial's POV, Seconds before the near miss.

Re your recent edit to the list, in what way was my edit Vandalism? What objection do you have to the only civilian female outright winner of the George Cross appearing on this list. Barbara Jane Harrison completed her schooling in Doncaster and began her short working life there too. Mjroots (talk) 18:57, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

No objection at all! It would seem that i reverted one revision to far when removing these vandalism edits, catching Barbara Jane Harrison as collateral damage. Quite naturally i have reinstated her to her proper place on this list, which should nor be free of bogus and vandalism entries as well. Excirial (Contact me,Contribs) 19:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll put my administrative sledgehammer back in its box then. Face-smile.svg. Mjroots (talk) 19:20, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Stefan Kaufmann (musician)

Hi Mjroots! Thanks for sorting the Stefan Kaufmanns!

What about the articles which linked to the article on the musician before the move? Could they be altered by a bot, or do we have to change them manually one by one? It might be a good idea to get right on it, as all links to Stefan Kaufmann are probably meant to link to the musician presently, as his article has been named just Stefan Kaufmann until now - but this might change as links in articles which involve the other Stefan Kaufmanns are introduced eventually. I'm sure it's easier to make a program which alters all the links with no further conditions.

I'm not inclined to take up bot programming right now, so I would need some assistance if an automated procedure is to do the work. If changing links manually is the best option, I'm willing to do it.

If you don't know anything more than me about bots, just let me know and I'll move along on the issue. Thanks in advance for any help!--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 11:40, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I guess writing a programme would take ten times the time. Better do it manually like you suggest.--Odd M. Nilsen (talk) 11:56, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Stefan Kaufmann (politician)

So far. Need more? --G-41614 (talk) 09:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Did this before I saw why your rqst. That crash doesn't even have an entry in de:wp, nor is it mentioned in the article on him. As to the rest, well ... it's a wiki.:) I might gnome it some time in the future. --G-41614 (talk) 10:20, 23 June 2010 (UTC) Besides, think it would be better if a native speaker went over this.
One way to learn is watching others do something. Like properly formatting references (refers to Berlin aircrash). --G-41614 (talk) 11:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton

I deleted the editnotice because as the article is now under pending changes, it shouldn't be necessary. Feel free to restore it if you want, though. Black Kite (t) (c) 06:12, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ivy Bean

Um, you're 24 hours late. I stopped commenting on it 24 hours ago LOL. No use trying to convince a bunch of people who are into the aged... I more than made my point, without success it would seem. If you seriously stop and think about it it is proposterous is it not to have a biography on the entire life of someone who uses facebook and happened to be old. Why not an effective paragraph in the facebook/twitter article? Dr. Blofeld White cat 20:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

As for signature, its not really something I think about. Black and white seemed pretty plain to me. It was supposed to be like that for the "aevil" theme I've got going. I guess it needed changing some time or other. There are thousands of worse signatures than mine though, with bright yellow on blue with pink etc... BTW how it your Dutch windmill project going these days? Dr. Blofeld - 15:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC) 21:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Is mine worse than yours? It's got pink in --Redrose64 (talk) 15:31, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Ellen Terry

Hold on thar, cowboy! You're pretty quick on the trigger. As I have now mentioned at the ANI, I am mystified by that edit I made. I must have mistakenly gone back to a much earlier version of the article by mistake. I certainly did not intend to delete all that text, images, etc. that I put in over a long period of time. I did not intend to delete the template that you inserted a second time, so I apologize about that. I still think the template doesn't belong there, but I was going to leave it alone because I didn't want to argue about it. My edit was intended to remove the "refimprove" tag, which I thought was out of date, and to make a couple other minor edits, but I messed up somehow. Best regards, and again, sorry for my sloppiness. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I'm no expert in navboxes, but I don't think this one is right. The purpose of the orphan tag is to get articles to link to other articles. The navbox artificially defeats the purpose by putting in false links to the navbox itself instead of by extending the net among articles. Also, the fact that Terry lived in Small Hythe, and the fact that it is near Tenterden is adequately represented by the links already in her article. The other stuff in the navbox is irrelevant to Terry. I'm not going to fight you on it, but I don't think it's right. I'm willing to wait and see what other editors say. All the best, though. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:19, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Isaac Bargrave

Is the Tenterden template justifiable in the article on Isaac Bargrave? He was vicar of tenterden for about 2 years, and probably non-resident. The banner at the foot of his page looks rather out of place to me, given all the other aspects of Bargrave's career which might be thought more important. There is a link to Tenterden in the text. As you are a Senior Editor, I am reluctant to roll backi your edit without consultation. Vidoue (talk) 11:50, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Ekram Ahmed Lenin

Now I have understood the meaning of userifed (copied to a sub-page of your user page). i'll try to bring it up to "User:Mrkshahin/Ekram Ahmed Lenin". I hope you will help me to make it standard. Thanks for your nice help. Cheers.Mrkshahin (talk) 22:52, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Anthony Barnes Atkinson

I was just looking at AB Atkinson's page and it looked like you had added - {{Cranbrook}}. I think the link is here: [2]. I couldn't see why. Was it an error? I removed it - hope that is OK. Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 17:11, 30 November 2010 (UTC))

Having looked a bit more closely (which I should have done before) - he seems to be on your list Antony Atkinson (b 19??), economist... List_of_people_from_Cranbrook,_Kent#Old_Cranbrookians. But even so ... It seems a bit of a big box, and a bit obscure somehow - ot use it for this purpose specially as there is no any mention in the text about him at this school..... What do you think? Best wishes (Msrasnw (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2010 (UTC))
Oh dear - we are writing at both places! Does it really seem OK to have this template there without any mentioning anywhere about Cranbrook. (I hope I am not just being picky because I couldn't find its purpose.) Perhaps all such articles should have some mention - ie. Just a line that they attended the School - but would we need a ref for that??? Anyway sorry to have made a mess! (Msrasnw (talk) 17:35, 30 November 2010 (UTC))
I've put it back and an unsourced note but a link to the Cranbrook School list. Sorry for all the mess. But am still not sure it is a good idea. It might be a spur to getting extra biographical info though. (Msrasnw (talk) 10:21, 1 December 2010 (UTC))

Nigel Farage.

Hi Mjroots. I see User talk: who you have previously threatened has made another 'edit' to Nigel Farage. Could you 'advise' him if necessary? Regards JRPG (talk) 18:25, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I originally thought it was just an uncited and probably wrong statement ..until I saw his history. JRPG (talk) 18:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Captain Muhammad Jalaluddin Sayeed

Oky I am done with the article. Feel free to tag the article now. And pass on any feedback. (Jalal0 (talk) 12:58, 7 February 2011 (UTC))

Robert Sandilands Frowd Walker

This is probably a stupid question but can a photograph of a statue be considered as a "reliable source". In reading up on Charles Nepean's football career, I have come across "R.S.F. Walker" who scored 4 goals in 3 matches in the pseudo-internationals, yet never seems to have played another notable match. On digging around, it seems that he was Robert Sandilands Frowd Walker, who went on to have a career in the military and became eminent in Malaya. So far, the only source that I can find for his birth details is on the photograph on this blog. I'll keep digging and see what else I can find. (At least the photo will narrow down the search parameters.) -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:37, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Charles Nepean

Thanks for the message - I must admit I was rather dubious about using the blog as a source although it all seems to check out against other sources. Unfortunately, I don't have access to The Times digital archives online; perhaps I should subscribe. I plan to write the article about Nepean shortly. (FWIW he was an a distant relative of Hugh Grant, the actor.) I'll keep looking for sources. Cheers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:46, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

p.s. Seeing that there were absolutely no other references on the Lenham article, perhaps I should just have left my factoid as unreferenced, in keeping with the rest of the article. (Just joking!). Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:49, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
I see I created the original article on Pelham von Donop just over 3 years ago. That's why I like writing article about footballers/cricketers from that era - they often had very interesting later careers. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:58, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I will add the football career shortly; I needed to check a few things out first. Mainly, why he played for "Scotland" in the pseudo-internationals of 1870–1872. I can see nothing Scotish in his background. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:23, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Hugh Kennard

Nice expansion. You should add yourself to the DYK nomination and let someone else review it—you deserve credit, not least since it was your idea to write an article on the bloke in the first place. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Buckle

Could you take a look at this Commons conversation between myself and a Commons admin and let me know what to do with this image? My choices, I think, at this moment are leave licensed as is, switch (slightly) to {{PD-USGov}} or switch to {{PD-US}}. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 14:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Poor Man's talkback. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 14:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Another talk back, same page and section. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 15:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Perhaps you can help. User:Anythingyouwant has removed this image from the Frank Buckles page and added this image from commons. Same image, just different name....and different licensing. Mine as what we discussed and his has {{PD-USGov}}. Since he has been an insane help on the article, I don't want to cause any trouble, but I don't feel I am explaining this as best as I can that we can't use the image he has uploaded. To make matters worse, User:Canadian Paul seems to disagree that the image I uploaded is fair-use and it should be {{PD-US}} (see here). I don't know what to do. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 07:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Mjroots, please don't mess with the image at commons quite yet. It's clearly PD and belongs there. Neutralhomer and I have been discussing this at my talk page, so please check out the discussion there.Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Still waiting on the decision about the image over on Commons, going slow. Canadian Paul is going to wait until after the funeral service today (Tuesday) at 4pm EDT before re-reviewing the article, so it remains on hold for 7 days. I have added a couple blurbs about flags being lowered in a couple more states (sadly only 9 states have done so) and a candlelight vigil near his hometown, but other than that, it remains the same. So, feel free to do some searchin' and add some stuff if it isn't already there. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 07:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Searle

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Frank Searle (businessman) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mgrē@sŏn 03:00, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


Please note this. Followed immediately by this on Twitter. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 20:26, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

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You might like to note recent IP edits to Talk:Jim Hawkins. Andy Mabbett (User:Pigsonthewing); Andy's talk; Andy's edits 22:40, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Felipe Camiroaga

As Camiroaga isn't legally dead, his body hasn't been found and at the moment is only "disappeared", I urge you to not mark his article as a recent death, nor to call him "dead". You are violating the biographies of living people policy by doing that, and additionally, you could be sued if Camiroaga turns out to be alive. None of the bodies have been identified yet, take that into account too.  Diego  talk  19:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know it is impossible that he survived the accident; however, we can't say he died until it's confirmed, for the sake of ethics! :P  Diego  talk  20:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Searle's children

Hi Mjroots. Why do you say this is standard info for inclusion? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 10:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

So there is a parameter for it. If the children were in any way notable. I'll remove them again. Eddaido (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't mind in the least that the infobox shows he had four kids - shows he was (apparently) biologically technically fertile though I'm blessed if I can see why it matters to a reader. I thought the repeat of his parents' names in the infobox was quite surplus to requirements but as its your wish . . .
At some point someone said the article was rather messy and I agree. cheers, Eddaido (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

50th birthday

FYI: Talk:Jim Hawkins (radio presenter)#50th Birthday. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Article about Radha Thomas

I am currently working on the Wiki page for Ms Radha Thomas. She is an Indian jazz singer and songwriter. In fact, she is known as a diva in the Indian jazz scene. She previously was with the band Human Bondage and has sung and performed globally. The article is still under development. I haven't completed it or submitted it for review yet. You can have a look at it at: I will be requesting your help and advice (as usual) in making it conform to all Wiki standards. If you do a Google Search for Radha (,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f6ee012440c72a74&biw=1024&bih=509) you will find dozens of articles and links to her work. As of now, the article is still under development and I will come bug you for help soon! Varunr (talk) 06:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Hope you are feeling better. I think I have completed the article and am contemplating it to move it to the AFC space. Before that, I'd really appreciate if you could have a look and give me some inputs, suggestions and advice and hopefully a green signal :-). Here's the link: Varunr (talk) 08:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I was wondering if you could take a look at the article Skogssamer that I have created. I have nominated it for DYK. But before it will be finally approved some copyediting for Standard English is needed. So if you are interested please take a look. Otherwise thanks anyway :).--BabbaQ (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2014 (UTC)