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Jean-Baptiste Siméon Chardin, The Illustrator, c.1738, leave me your message and I'll get back to you, when I return..


Suzanne Manet

"If music was her artistic contribution to the household, Manet apparently neither heard it nor saw it."

Thanks for that. Do you have a biography of Manet or any sources re their relationship? All I could find was this painting and the story behind it, which paints a pretty bleak picture. Or so to speak... Lithoderm 01:56, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

I have a pretty good book on Manet, - I gotta find it and I'll try to work on the article if I can. I have always wondered what set him off to cut up the Degas like that. I guess marriage, wives, and other painters can do that to you...Modernist (talk) 12:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Thumbs Up Award


The seldom coveted Thumbs Up Award has to given to Modernist for his above-and-beyond-the-calling efforts in tracking down and removing the footprints of a serial spammer. Wikipedia (or at least I) salutes you. Carptrash (talk) 15:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, my pleasure...Modernist (talk) 16:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Made me laugh!

This made me laugh before you fixed it. Made me think of Joan Baez, fighting for the right and good, all that stuff. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:45, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, gotta say something, uh but gotta be careful - you never know :)...Modernist (talk) 13:49, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I hear you. Truthkeeper (talk) 13:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Hey man. Going through a big early 60s folk stage at the moment, [1]. You might have a few recommendations for me. Its all Sandy Denny here at the moment.[2] Hope all is well with you. Sorry I missed you when I did, time was against me, but there will be a next time. Ceoil (talk) 11:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
This is where it all began: [3], and here [4] and this [5]...Modernist (talk) 12:03, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
This guy [6] started a lot of it, the revival I mean, and his sons keep it going to this day. And he lived just up the road from me. Ceoil (talk) 12:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Gorgeous stuff - too bad he died, try this: [7] for a precedent and a different spin...Modernist (talk) 12:39, 27 October 2012 (UT)
[8]. I like this more than is prob healthy. Glad you like Seán Ó Riada, but he was an awful prick in realo life. gulp gulp gulp, and punch punch punch. Ceoil (talk) 12:59, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Strange Fruit is well, what can I say. That voice and reco0ding still haunts. Ceoil (talk) 13:04, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, pretty crazy - you know me and JNW were waiting, oh well, here's this:[9], although the new one is better...Modernist (talk) 13:07, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Seven days are not enough time to see the states. I really loved what I saw, Boston is a great city, but then I would say that being Irish and all. I was 3 hours in NYC, and although I spent half a year there in 1992, 20 years later it seemed like outer space. The three hours were spend on 53rd and 5th, and in the Met, by the way. Would have loved if you were there, but it turned out to be a last minute plan, it didnt seem right to put you under pressure at the last minute. Anyway, in the few days I got to visit Massachusetts, New Hampshire (Guns, ammo, beer!), Maine, CT, NY for about five minutes. You can guess how it was for the first visit, the focus was on her family, showing that I dont have two heads, nbut there will be a next time, prob in the new year, if the offer still stands. I obviously think very highly about ye guys, to meet ye would be, well. Ceoil (talk) 13:25, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Most definitely, hopefully we'll all be well and maybe I'll have another show up...Modernist (talk) 13:31, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
It's all good, no worries, she's very cool too...Modernist (talk) 13:33, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I have reason now to travel over often, next time is prob april. I has hoped to gather you JNW, Riggr, TK and Liz, and have a blast, but first visit, there was too much to do. Im very fond of alL of ye, believe me, it will happen, as a warning, prob april/may n est year. Ceoil (talk) 13:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
From that bygone era [10] still my favorite, look forward to it...Modernist (talk) 13:45, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

RE:"Art nude"

Now Nude (art); See my comments "What Now?" on my talk page. FigureArtist (talk) 04:02, 29 October 2012 (UTC)


There is NO surviving evidence that Damjing made the wall painting in Horyu-ji. See the article on him. In addition to it, the original Horyu-ji was burned around 670, and the surviving one today is reconstructed after 670. Today the painting is considered to be done between the end of 7th century to early 8th. Please DO RESEACH before editing.--Kechrite (talk) 06:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)


Really glad to see you back in action and editing again. Jesus christ, that was a rough one. How did it go for you, I hope nothing was lost. I'll say one thing, ye guys dont do weather by half measure in the States. Best. Ceoil (talk) 08:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I won't be back for awhile -every now and then - lots of damage - still no power - major problems...Modernist (talk) 12:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Real sorry to hear M, I cant imagine. Looking forward to seeing you back, even when. Keep in touch. Ceoil (talk) 21:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
M, I just noticed this - I'm so sorry to hear! I was thinking of you on the night, worried, and hoping the damage wouldn't be too extreme. Take care. We'll still be here when things are up and running again. Truthkeeper (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Me as well. Dropped you an email, but obviously there's no hurry about responding. Just glad to see you in one piece. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Selfportrait by Constable (Selfportait page)

Sorry, Modernist: I realized only afterwards that I had already tried last month to insert Constable's selfportrait in its right place in the gallery. I didn't mean at all to begin a war with you about that, but it proves that I can't remember what I did one month ago... (Must be the age...) But why on Earth do you want to give this portrait a much larger size and not place it chronologically with the others? Best regards. --Pepys (talk) 08:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Since Constable is looking into the page from the right It's a good example to isolate, it can be made smaller...Modernist (talk) 12:25, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

The Expert Barnstar

User-expert.svg The Expert Barnstar
I hereby award you the Expert Barnstar for your outstanding contributions to art-related topics. This award is given to a few people who are regarded experts in one or several particular fields. Congrats and keep up your excellent work :)!--Tomcat (7) 16:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you...Modernist (talk) 13:03, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Living George Segal sculptures at Westbeth

I find it interesting that at 2:06 in this video of Westbeth we find some living George Segal sculptures. Bus stop (talk) 03:17, 18 November 2012 (UTC)


Dr. Blofeld and now you. it's a sad day for wikipedians everywhere.


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Paul Klee


I am considering to nominate Paul Klee at GAN. I think the article lists the main aspects of his life and discusses his style and legacy comprehensively. I am asking you because you as the main contributor might be not finished working on it. Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:47, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

I am busy in RL and I don't have much time right now - it's got the makings to become a terrific article, do what you think best...Modernist (talk) 13:22, 25 November 2012 (UTC)


I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 08:22, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC this Saturday Dec 1

You are invited to Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC, an editathon, Wikipedia meet-up and workshops focused on film and the performing arts that will be held on Saturday, December 1, 2012, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and at!--Pharos (talk) 07:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm actually very busy tomorrow - thanks for the invitation - I hope it's a big success...Modernist (talk) 21:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


Its really great to see you back semi regularly. Place isnt the same with out the unflagging Modernist lighting up my watchlist every time I log in. Youve been missed, and we have been worrying about you. Hope all is well. Ceoil (talk) 19:54, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll only be here periodically when I can find the time for now...Modernist (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

ho ho ho

The story of the 4th Wiseman

I do believe that this card explains
a lot of the hitherto misunderstood
and even ignored origins of a variety of Christmas stories.
I am considering writing an article about the theology involved
but am having a difficult time with sources.
Oh well,
have a good one, it does appear
that we have made it through the worst of 2012,
which is a great start to 2013
Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 16:29, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Happy Holidays! All my best to you Carptrash...Modernist (talk) 00:14, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Feliz Navidad, Prospero año y felicidad

Feliz Navidad, Feliz Navidad, Feliz Navidad, Prospero año y felicidad. I wanna wish you a Merry Christmas, I wanna wish you a Merry Christmas, I wanna wish you a Merry Christmas, From the bottom of my heart.[11] Bus stop (talk) 17:15, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

thank you Bus Stop and all of my best wishes to you, happy holidays!..Modernist (talk) 00:12, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you

Wishing you a good day, and a better new year. JNW (talk) 12:57, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Here's hoping...all my best to you and all our friends here: Ty, JNW, Ceoil, Tk, Sv, Riggr, Johnbod, Ewulp, Bus Stop, Freshacconci, Carptrash, Kafka Liz, Mandarax, Cas, Sandy, Litho, Tony, and so many others....Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!...Modernist (talk) 14:51, 25 December 2012 (UTC)l

Wikipedia Day Celebration and Mini-Conference in NYC Saturday Feb 23

Doing the "Open Space" thing at one of our earlier NYC Wiki-Conferences.

You are invited to celebrate Wikipedia Day and the 12th anniversary (!) of the founding of the site at Wikipedia Day NYC on Saturday February 23, 2013 at New York University; sign up for Wikipedia Day NYC here, or at Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues!

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience!--Pharos (talk) 02:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

The Winter Walk at Anglesey Abbey - - 862583.jpg Best wishes for the New Year!
Wishing you and yours a joyous, healthful, and productive 2013!

Please accept a belated thank you for the well wishes upon my retirement as FAC delegate this year, and apologies for the false alarm of my first—and hopefully last—retirement; the well wishes extended me were most kind, but I decided to return, re-committed, when another blocked sock was revealed as one of the factors aggravating the FA pages this year.

Maintaining standards in featured content requires vigilance, dedication and knowledge of people like you, who are needed; reviews are always welcome at FAC, FAR and TFA requests. Somehow, somehow we never ever seem to do nothin' completely nice and easy, but here's hoping that 2013 will see a peaceful road ahead and a return to the quality and comaraderie that defines the FA process, with the help of many dedicated Wikipedians!

SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:44, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Sandy. Best wishes to you for 2013. Hopefully things will improve...Modernist (talk) 22:51, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Tour of Consumer Reports' laboratories

Wow! Laboratory tour!

On Tuesday January 15 at 3pm Wikipedians are invited to join a tour of laboratories at Consumer Reports in Yonkers. If you would like to attend please RSVP at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/January 2013. If you have questions feel free to ask on that page or contact me on my talk page or by my office phone at 914.378.2684. Thank you. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:55, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up...Modernist (talk) 03:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Why undo corrections in the "Contemporary art" page?

Why are you undoing the corrections made? The article states, “A similar term to contemporary art is Modern art.” Contemporary art is not another term for Modern art. Many of the movements are incorrectly dated, for example Abstract Expressionism started in the 40s, not the 50s. There are duplicates of the movements under different decade headings; if you wish to show that the art movements go on beyond the period they started in this too is incorrectly conveyed, for example Abstract Expressionism which you desire to be listed under the 50s and 60s is a style that was still painted in the 70s, and the 80s, and even today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Undesignated (talkcontribs) 12:18, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

See the talk page regarding your incorrect and massive mistakes...Modernist (talk) 12:47, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

If you'll indulge me for a moment....

I just have to say this: what an awful painting [12], when the subject could have inspired something so much more vibrant. No reply necessary. Just wanted to get that on record. There, I feel better now, and with renewed spring in my step. Very best regards, as always, JNW (talk) 02:34, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Could've, should've, would've, been better if they had a clue...Modernist (talk) 02:39, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
When I looked at it a few days ago I was ... stunned at how awful it is. As M says, could've, should've, would've. Btw - hi to both of you! And belated New Year greetings. Truthkeeper (talk) 02:53, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
And the same for you, Tk. I was more disappointed than anything; there is a vein of decent portraiture in England, but this choice fits into the least spirited type of photographic work so common in the States. The observation that it doesn't do her justice, while true, isn't the worst of it. It's unconscionably dull, and its scale only amplifies the shortcoming. JNW (talk) 03:16, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
We are of course only seeing a reproduction of it, unless it has been seen in person. Happy New Year to everybody. Bus stop (talk) 04:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to you guys as well, Happy New Year...Modernist (talk) 23:12, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
"The quality that makes a good painting, a good painting, is always going to be elusive." Sorry if this is more like vandalism. Hey, it is vandalism. I'm just too lazy to go out and write it on a subway wall, where I'd also risk arrest. Bus stop (talk) 08:53, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for catching my inadvertent revert on the Hungarian painters--I have no idea how that happened and will try to figure it out so I don't make the mistake again. --Jgmikulay (talk) 21:57, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem :)...Modernist (talk) 22:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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About Ethel Scull 36 Times

Hi Modernist.
Could you possibly a little look at that article? A number of reasons for this request:

  • While I'm competent enough [dubious ] to write about the subject matter, expert input would improve the article much better than I could
  • When I actually write content, I'm hamstrung by my apparent compulsion to reference every single sentence ('tis the nature the beast, I'm afraid). At present, the article almost looks like:

Ethel Scull 36 Times is a painting.[1][2][3]. It was painted by Andy Warhol.[4][5][6]. It was painted in 1963.[7][8][9]. Andy Warhol was famous for more than 15 minutes.[10][11][12]

and so on.
  • Oh cripes, as of 13 Feb 2013, it's the third Ghit for the artwork, though it is no more than a user-space draft.

Peter aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:02, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

It's one of Warhol's most important portraits, historically important, good job...Modernist (talk) 11:47, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Modernist, I sincerely appreciate your compliment.
Yeah, we both know that it is significant because it was prescient of Warhol's move into making films, Ethel Scull wore prescription sunglasses because she was short-sighted, that the Sculls fell out with Warhol about the "Brillo Boxes", and it also presaged Warhol's post-shooting move to fine art as just a business enterprise.[citation needed]
But for fire-trucks sake, just help me improve the article.
And that's the end of the rant. Whew. I feel much better now. Face-smile.svg
Thanks, --Shirt58 (talk) 11:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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Addresses of Grafton Galleries, London

Hello Modernist,

I have written in the German Wikipedia this article: Unfortunately I did not find with Google the correct address of the second gallery in Bond Street. I presume it was the address of the exhibition in 1910. The address of the first gallery was 8, Grafton Street, London. Perhaps you can help me? Greetings -- Alinea (talk) 16:03, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen these links? [13], [14]...Modernist (talk) 16:23, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, I did, but have not found the address Of Bond Street. New Bond Street, Old Bond Street, Number? In the digitalised catalogue is no address given. And the second exposition was held in Grafton Street? Have a look here: -- Alinea (talk) 16:44, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Another 2 links [15], [16], everything that I've encountered so far says Bond Street, London, no number...Modernist (talk) 13:08, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I've read, that the Grafton Galleries closed about 1930. I am astonished that the Tate does not cite the exact address. Nice weekend. -- Alinea (talk) 14:37, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Kinetic art

User:Sallyaul2013 has completely re-written the Kinetic art article loosing most of the original format, references, images etc. I would welcome your opinion/input.Theroadislong (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Some seems ok; some not ok; although I don't have the sources to determine copyright violations; seems fairly ambitious although with original research as well...Modernist (talk) 23:05, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


I've archived the debate [17]. Nothing more productive was going to come, and the majority approved the motion that info boxes are not always necessary. Seems a good compromise.  Giano  19:16, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, lets hope the compromise holds...Modernist (talk) 19:31, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your recent edit in Abraham's article

Hi, In this edit, you mentioned the reason as the necessity for talk. I am writing to let you know that I have been doing that and I encourage you to also take part in it. --Kazemita1 (talk) 01:41, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Picasso's poetry

Hello Modernist, I'm a new editor and just wrote a couple of articles about the fourth dimension in art which touches upon Picasso, one about the 4th in literature, and am currently creating a new one about Picasso's (frankly bizarre) poetry. I think it should be mentioned in Picasso's entry about his attempts at poetry, if only in passing. The author of the Surrealist Manifesto Andre Breton reviewed his work, so whatever their quality the poems have some worth in reviewing. He seems to have fallen out with Stein over her criticisms. You seem to know a lot about this sort of stuff, I have a few questions as I'm not sure about several things:

  • a. How much of his poetry is it okay to quote?
Use one or two poems as examples and any other pithy quotes that make the points...Modernist (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
  • b. The poems are rather rude in places (to put it mildly). To what extent can you get away with some of the language?
Wikipedia is not censored...Modernist (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
  • c. I only have a 1958 1st edition Penrose biog. I found in a skip to go on for good source material. There is a website with a lot of his poetry and some background,[18] can it be trusted?
Try to find some further sources than just that website - which looks good to me by the way...Modernist (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
  • d. A proper title for the article?

If you can help with this, or know anyone who can, then I would be extremely grateful. The article is in development here: Hillbillyholiday talk 20:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your question - I think an article called Pablo Picasso as author or Picasso's poetry can work; I suggest that you include his plays Desire Caught by the Tail and The Four Little Girls - [19] and his poetry [20], look here also for material - [21]...Modernist (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the input and the links, they look very useful. It will take me a while to dig through these sources and my books, probably need to visit the library n'all. Feel free to edit my sandbox if you like (you can do that right?). Cheers again! Hillbillyholiday talk 22:50, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I've finally finished the piece on Picasso's purple prose, I've gone with "Picasso's poetry". Thanks for your most helpful input (and the prompt reply). I'm about to nominate this article for the DYK slot, but there so much hook-worthy stuff in there I don't know where to start, so I might have to ask for suggestions. Thanks again, Modernist. Hillbillyholiday talk 21:53, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent - good job!...Modernist (talk) 22:25, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Picasso's poetry

One of the more Off-color humor hook-lines to get on main page? And surely one of the more off-color articles! Thanks for yr advice before, and the edits after this article got made.(btw, the spelling of off-color humor sets my bad British teeth on edge..) Cheers! Hillbillyholiday talk 00:59, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Appreciated - the article is terrific! Thanks...Modernist (talk) 02:58, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Of all the gems i unearthed, i am really chuffed with this sentence: The artist reportedly said "that long after his death his writing would gain recognition and encyclopedias would say: 'Picasso, Pablo Ruiz – Spanish poet who dabbled in painting, drawing and sculpture.". I hope he really said it.. only took us 40 years! Hillbillyholiday talk 03:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Well actually it might take a few more years for these to catch on...Modernist (talk) 04:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Revert with no reason

Hi Modernist, you reverted the insertation of picassos Signature without reason. As you can read here, I am Wikipedian in Residence, autor since 2004 at de:WP. Whenever I insert a image, it will have a reliable source. Not difficult really, because I am sitting inbetween 90.000 books, 30.000 architectural plans and 600.000 photos. Not all free, not all historical. But enough for 20 years of work, if it would be possible for me to grasp it all. It is entirely my decision, what I sensed all of this stock.

What was the reason, you reverted me? Because I have not enough edits als Hubertl-AT? Don´t worry, I made some edits more than you, but that should not even be relevant. Imagine if I would actually be a new user. Do you think that leaves a good impression on him and he would be motivated to continue to work on Wikipedia? Or you suffer from an oversupply of authors in en:WP?

It also begs the question of whether it even make sense to do a cooperation project in the GLAM-sense when it produced images in Wikipedia should not be used. Thats what commons.wikimedia is for. It must be added that a total project cost of $ 25,000 has been invested from the WMF for that and additionally 3-4 years of my, of course, private unpaid time. --Hubertl-AT (talk) 07:29, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your question. Consensus is against signatures being included in articles about artists. Over several years there have been long discussions as to whether signatures should be included in articles about artists and consensus was against the inclusion of signatures for a variety of reasons. Please don't add signatures to articles about artists. We all devote time and energy here and work hard, sorry to have reverted without explaining first...Modernist (talk) 11:08, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Modernist for the friendly way to clear my problems. Some final thoughts about banning signatures from articles: I am a little disappointed about, because getting the knowledge of the world (oh Jimbo, what sick ideas you have ;-) means for me, almost everything which could be the need of anyone at anytime. Some of the major decisions I made was, that I don´t want to scan and postprocess anything I could get in this library, I only will scan items, which can be used in wikipedia - using commons simply as a data-container. Scanning is not the real problem with this project, the most time is claimed by preparing it for Commons and then Wikipedia. Right now, I have another 4000 artists with about 6000 signatures and monograms to prepare, 1000 signatures are uploaded.
It's a little risky to prepare everything - I expect some 2 months work - then, when negative decisions were made and that those signatures can not be used.
I accept this decision, but I fear that this may happen in other Wikipedias alike.
So I think that I neglect to prepare the entire, already scanned signatures. Currently, the letters A and B are completed (plus some others) and uploaded to Commons. This should then just stay that way. Thank you for your help. Greetings from Vienna! --Hubertl-AT (talk) 16:46, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Agreed they should stay that way - artist signatures are dicey and may present a myriad of problems that it's best not to deal with. Given all the other fantastic work you are doing - let me say thanks, and all my good wishes...Modernist (talk) 18:28, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


Hey man long time no talk. Thinking you might like this, also this. Ceoil (talk) 14:37, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Appreciated, thanks man...Modernist (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
I saw you helping on the deletion of the Guguin statue; not much we could have done there. Very fustrating, considering the shit they have on commons. But, sigh, thats life. Ceoil (talk) 15:34, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
They have to be watched, they are voracious; and seriously stupid... - did you see the wooden replacement?..Modernist (talk) 16:11, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Im clutching the mouse very tightly in exparation here man. I mean like seriously. I notice you fight the good fight; I dont because I'd loose my cool and start shaking people. Ceoil (talk) 16:14, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Gotta try to keep yer cool, my friend...Modernist (talk) 16:43, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
And not throw my big feet in head first, to mix metaphors. Yeah, realised that a while ago, but I never learn. In happier news I see Yoman, Riggr and JNW are around, bless em. Ceoil (talk) 17:13, 7 April 2013 (UTC)


Have you seen this? And (related) this? Bus stop (talk) 00:20, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14

Hi Modernist! You're invited to our next meeting for Wikipedia Meetup NYC on Sunday April 14 -this weekend- at Symposium Greek Restaurant @ 544 W 113th St (in the back room), on the Upper West Side in the Columbia University area.

Please sign up, and add your ideas to the agenda for Sunday. Thanks!

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Invitation to William Blake Task Force


Hello! I wanted to invite you to the new William Blake Task Force. This new task force will help organizes and coordinates Wikipedia's coverage of Romantic poet and artist William Blake. In Fall 2013, I, User:Sadads, will be having a WP:GLAM internship with The William Blake Archive, and has started the project to organize and support efforts to improve content related to William Blake, the collection of The William Blake Archive and other topics related to Blake's contributions to both literary and visual culture. Some of your previous contributions indicate an interest in Blake, so I wanted to invite you to the project! Hope you join us and happy editing!Sadads (talk) 19:16, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Done...Modernist (talk) 20:04, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Brilliant! Will keep you informed as we move forward! Sadads (talk) 20:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I note that

you just plopped a tag or project something on Mary Rogers (artist). For the record, I have a couple of books out on women artists and am creating stubs for a bunch of them from the List of artists in the Armory Show. I am not a project person, but you might like to check them out for that reason, and hopefully more. They need help. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 01:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

You certainly took care of that. Nice work. Carptrash (talk) 14:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
Keep turning red to blue...Modernist (talk) 15:03, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I will. I am on a complicated one right now, but will try and remember to include your VA template right at the start. Perhaps I will look for a simpler route to go through this one. Carptrash (talk) 15:15, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

PS update. Power blackout on a perfect spring day wiped out about an hour and a half's work. Damn. Carptrash (talk) 17:25, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


I see that the image is currently FURed for 8 articles, 6 of which contain the image. However, I only think it is really needed at two articles (the work and the artist). Articles on broad art topics should only use the image if it is necessary based on the content of the prose. Then normal NFCC should apply. I don't know what you think I should contact AIC for.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It's your call Tony - the painting has been included in the article Art Institute of Chicago, since its (the article) inception in early 2007. It seems to be a local treasure of Chicago - it's in danger of being deleted from the Art institute - up to you...Modernist (talk) 03:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Just stumbled across...

User:Модернист! --Shirt58 (talk) 00:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Ha - it ain't me though...Modernist (talk) 01:28, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Art in China: On script and cutting edge?

I think there are several interesting videos on this page, called "Art in China: On script and cutting edge?". I wanted to share them with you. Bus stop (talk) 18:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, very interesting...Modernist (talk) 22:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks...Modernist (talk) 21:02, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I think you know everybody

"I think you know everybody." Bus stop (talk) 18:19, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you - quite a group...Modernist (talk) 18:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Baby Doe

Thanks so much for the copyedits there! I wrote it too fast and I never see my own mistakes. Thanks too for adding the see also - that's a good addition. Nice to see you around. Victoria (talk) 20:57, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

What a story...Modernist (talk) 21:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, it's really fascinating. I mined (!) what I could from google books, will now have to order dead tree sources from the library to finish it. When I stumbled on the page I knew it was one that needed to be developed - actually there's a whole suite of articles that can be done from those stories. I've been there, it's way above Leadville (very thin air!), and the history of that period is really interesting. Victoria (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll keep my eyes on it, rags to riches to rags to....Modernist (talk) 21:16, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Drowning Girl

A soon to be Lichtenstein FAC. Tony is asking for a hand with it. Your input would be appreciated. Hello, bty. Ceoil (talk) 09:08, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Drowning Girl/archive1 now open.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:22, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
I'll check it out...Modernist (talk) 02:33, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Early Netherlandish painting‎‎

I know you said its not to your taste, but I would really value your help on this one. Its been a long project for me, I'm about 75% there re content, and I'm now calling in the heavies for help. Tks. Ceoil (talk) 20:43, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll look...Modernist (talk) 20:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

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Navboxes on author pages

Since you are the leading registered editor in terms of edits at Émile Zola, you might want to participate in the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels#Derivative_works_and_cultural_references_templates regarding including navigation boxes for adaptations of and related subjects to an authors works on the author's bio page.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:53, 25 June 2013 (UTC)


Crucifixion Diptych (Rogier van der Weyden)

The image in the diptych section isnt really working for me. Do you have suggestions. Ceoil (talk) 11:04, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Frankly I like the one that is there now; however this one from the Philadelphia Museum of Art [22] is dynamite - Crucifixion Diptych (van der Weyden), but it is very large and it's purpose and history is uncertain...Modernist (talk) 12:09, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
It certainly is; but stikes me as two wings of a dismantled triptych. Much as I like those, and the Met crucifixion, they dont seem representative. I'm very undecided, and would like to play around with suggestions. Ceoil (talk) 13:02, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Nude Marilyn

The discussion about the nude image of Marilyn Monroe at Playboy has been reopened after I added this whole paragraph describing its significance. I'm notifying everyone involved in the review discussion to see whether we can build a consensus deciding how to best portray that image within the project. Diego (talk) 22:21, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 31, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ21 17:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Whaam! and imagery

Just wondering if you would care to weigh in here. Bus stop (talk) 02:12, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Bus Stop, while I agree with a lot of what you said there; I need to pass for now...Modernist (talk) 20:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to let you know that I have taken up this issue here. Bus stop (talk) 18:34, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Responded...Modernist (talk) 21:31, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for getting involved. I have made this edit to the article. I'd be interested in your thoughts on it. Bus stop (talk) 23:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi Modernist. I'm sorry to bother you again. Could you look at discussion and see if there is any input you could provide? I am trying to argue in a reasoned way. But it is difficult to even make reasonable points. Do you agree? Or disagree? Bus stop (talk) 04:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
I've shortened the post there considerably, if you'd care to read it: Newer version. Bus stop (talk) 17:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)


Did I edit in space reserved for admins? Why this?[23] Yogesh Khandke (talk) 23:55, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

You did nothing wrong - it was an error on my part, sorry for worrying you...Modernist (talk) 02:15, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
It's all right. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 05:39, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Dresden Triptych

Hi Modernist. Am in a spot of bother in the FAC for the above - its beeen mentioned that including the frames violates fair use terms, as its 3D - I'm not sure what that means. The suggestion is that we get a local editor in Dresden to take a pic and release the rights. I have a few issued with this - 1. the frames are heavily inscribed with lettering that comment on the individual panels, and showing and understanding them is fundemental. In fact they have a decidacted section in the page. 2. Photographing art works is a tricky business to say the least, and this work is a minituare to boot, so even a talented photographer is probably going to come back with a less than idea capture, compare to what we have (its from Google Art Project - and by far the highest res image available on the net). Have you come across a similar situation before, can you help build a FU rational that would allow us keep it. Tks. Ceoil (talk) 17:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

The issue seems to me to be bullshit - the frames should also be in the public domain. If the frames are modern additions to the triptych then use the image without the frame and then describe the frame and its inscriptions...Modernist (talk) 18:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Yes. The image you have there to the right greatly reduces the educational value of the article. Plus the colours are completly wrong, thus contradicting what the sources say about about the work. Panels, frames, whats the bloody difference. Ceoil (talk) 18:25, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
As I said I do not understand at all the rational against using the framed version - whoever is giving you a hard time is wasting everybody's time as far as I can tell...Modernist (talk) 18:30, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Sorry but it's a total waste of time - I wouldn't touch that nonsense with a ten foot pole - ridiculous and petty objection that if I were you I'd take it up with the foundation...Modernist (talk) 18:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
Well its Crisco, who is a nice guy by any standards. He is just pointing out the way it is; I thinking if I can get a convincing rational on the image talk and post that defence on the FAC, I might be out of the dark waters. Thinking aloud, its one of the few van Eyck frames to survive; might go down that route.

Hello from unusually sunny IRE by the way. Ceoil (talk) 18:44, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Good luck with the nice guy...Modernist (talk) 18:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)


I have responded at Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Whaam!/archive1#Comment_from_Modernist. Your clarification is urgently needed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 19:48, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I responded there at FAC...Modernist (talk) 20:25, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
Given that we have such a long history of discourse on many issues and even watching many of the same pages for a while, I wonder how you would feel if we try and talk here on your talk page rather than enter the fray that has become the FAC on this article. Let me know what you think. I think we are more likely to make progress in this regard if we talk without interruption and general scrum that this FAC has become. I am pretty sure if I can get you on board with general content, Bus stop will follow.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 06:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
That sounds ok to me, lets try...Modernist (talk) 11:11, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
FWIW basically I'm saying move that section to Roy's biography and then link it to Whaam! Most of those refs look like blogs, and what is being used seem to have an axe to grind - Sooke ends with Surely, in 2013, it is time we stopped accusing Lichtenstein of plagiarism once and for all.. yet that is not used or mentioned. Lichtenstein sold the painting in '63-64 for around $1000.00 and nobody complained; when his auction prices went through the roof these issues have surfaced - and IMO - should be discussed in his bio...Modernist (talk) 12:44, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
BTW are you planning on including the same material on all the other paintings in this series?. One good reason to place it in the bio and then link it to the individual articles...Modernist (talk) 15:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
First of all, what WPVA needs to hear is that COMICS is making points that There are some very questionable aspects to Lichtenstein and Whaam! is the prime example. At the FAC you say the comments are "nasty and irrelevant", but you say they belong in the bio. Thus, they are relevant to Lichtenstein. What I think the COMICs people are saying is that this particular work most embodies these questionable aspects of Lichtenstein. This is the work they parody to make their point. This is where they convene to meet to discuss these issues. I don't plan on working on any more individual Lichtenstein article toward FA. I may bulk out Okay Hot-Shot, Okay! for A-Class at MILHIST if there are any takers who want to review it. Thus, I don't plan on adding all this stuff to every comic-based work. The thing is Lichtenstein should be a GA if so many of his works are going to FA and GA. However, I am not too interested in much beyond his early 60s. If there were a group of people who wanted to take his article to GA, I would help though. The long and the short of it is that stuff that you say is "nasty and irrelevant" is not exactly that or you should not be directing it to his bio either. I saw a recent post by Bus stop that almost says he was a fine artist so the COMICS viewpoint does not matter. We are not going to get anywhere with that approach.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 16:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Frankly the remarks are nasty and essentially relevant to the larger issues regarding the corporate suppression of comic artists. While Lichtenstein benefited perhaps unwittingly perhaps less innocently from those comic artists and their misfortune - and now re-awakened good fortune - (thanks in part to MoMA, Kirk Varnedoe and the 1990-1991 High & Low Exhibition [24], [25]); the information should be voiced on Roy's page - although it must be presented in a balanced way. When Whaam! was painted it was a festering sore perhaps but by 2013 it has exploded into a mini-industry; thanks perhaps to Lichtenstein's auction success for whatever reasons that monetary success represents. Any mention of this issue in the Whaam! article should be balanced, and minor - a sentence or two and a link to the larger and to a large extant important issue regarding copyright, ownership rights, plagiarism, and appropriation...Modernist (talk) 17:45, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I don't understand this "festering sore" issue. However, in terms of being nasty, keep in mind negative comments must be adequately summarized. I would concur that they don't belong in every random Lichtenstein comics-based work. However, this is the one that they point to as the example of all the negative issues. There is negativity towards Lichtenstein for reasons claimed to be examplified by Whaam!. The article needs to relate this to the reader. Yes greater detail belongs at the bio. What we need is to summarize the "copyright, ownership rights, plagiarism, and appropriation" issues and state that Whaam! is said to exemplify these issues. You understand the issues are copyright, ownership rights, plagiarism, and appropriation. This is good. The COMICS views on the issues are negative, but must be dealt with in the bio and the work that embodies them.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 18:02, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
The festering sore issue - refers to the enormous resentment for various reasons among various and disparate groups in the art world and the culture at large at the time of Lichtenstein and Warhol's debut exhibitions in the early 60s. Not only were the commercial art interested parties bent out of shape but so were the 'High art' interested parties as well - see the two reviews of the High & Low show I added in my previous remarks, as well as the general public. That said...the introduction of the more recent uproar regarding copyright, ownership rights, plagiarism, and appropriation is just that - relatively recent - and mention at Whaam! should be placed in careful and balanced terms; linked to more in depth discussion of the complex issue; which frankly requires an article on its own, although it should be discussed in depth at the Lichtenstein biography. As far as I can tell Masem and I are in accord as is Bus Stop...Modernist (talk) 18:39, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
  • We are doing well if both sides think Masem is in line with them. It means that there is likely a way to express things that both sides will agree with.
  • Have you seen his 1-sentence summary of paragraph 1 of the general contents? What would you think of summarizing the paragraph like that?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 21:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Honestly, I looked at those reviews and thought "What do they have to do with our discussion?"--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 21:30, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
Masem is suggesting placing the material into Roy's biography and removing it from the article and I agree with him. As to the 2 reviews: The times review is neutral while the Kramer review (Kramer was known as a very conservative art critic) is hostile to the concept of the High & Low exhibition, you can imagine his take on Lichtenstein in the 60s - Kramer was a powerful source of 'high art' criticism. Just saying it started as a festering sore in a lot of places...Modernist (talk) 21:42, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Can we readd File:Gibbons after Novick.jpg to the remaining text on the COMICS issue?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 22:23, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, if it's properly covered in the text and with a valid Rationale...Modernist (talk) 23:04, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Whaam! archiving

I've let GrahamColm (talk · contribs) know here that you have concerns with his archiving of Bus stop's comments. Please keep in mind that none of the editors who commented at the FAC asked him to archive them. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:48, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough...Modernist (talk) 01:25, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
I have posted here that I am not really concerned about anything that has transpired, as I am focussed on writing the article. Bus stop (talk) 02:06, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive1 is now three weeks old and has now had over 250KB of discourse. I don't think I have ever been involved in an FAC like this. As I stated at the beginning of this FAC, Whaam! will experience the 50th anniversary of its first exhibition on September 28 that I hope can be celebrated at WP:TFAR. Before that, however, we must make a decision on the quality of this article here at WP:FAC. Please consider making a Support or Oppose decision some time soon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 00:15, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Well I did not expect an Oppose. Thought I had found the sweet spot where both side might agree. Now you say "misconstrued reading of that reference". Furthermore, you are contesting on the basis that "one of his most influential works along with Drowning Girl and Look Mickey" is overexaggerated. You are an expert on Modern Art. I am of the impression that in terms of pop art one might choose this among the two or three most important depictions of the genre. Are you contesting that the other two don't belong in this sentence or that this one doesn't?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 22:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
What I am saying - simply - is the reference says the paintings are influential and you extrapolated from that comment that they are the most influential; I'm sorry Tony but your inference goes too far...Modernist (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
They're important Lichtenstein paintings; although as far as Pop Art goes they are interdependent with Johns, Rauschenberg, Warhol, Oldenburg, Rosenquist, Thiebaud, and Wesselmann in putting over the movement - but that's another story...Modernist (talk) 23:04, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
The article does not actually say these are the three most influential. It says each of these three is among his most influential, which I think is in keeping with the source.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 23:30, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

RfC (not about you)

Thanks for the heads up, I'll think about - definitely a screw loose over there...Modernist (talk) 10:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive2

Since you voiced an opinion at FAC1, I am notifying you of Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Whaam!/archive2.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 17:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Tony I'll keep an eye on it...Modernist (talk) 17:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Blake Update 1

Naomi entreating Ruth and Orpah to return to the land of Moab.
William Blake Archive GLAM Update #1

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FA Thanks

Thanks for your editorial contributions to Drowning Girl, which has recently become a WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Frank Stella

This would be a mistake, wouldn't it: "Frank Stella, a fellow Pop artist…"[26]? Frank Stella was never a Pop artist, was he? Bus stop (talk) 01:53, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that's wrong...Modernist (talk) 10:08, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Requesting your input

Modernist—if you get a chance can you look at and comment on my latest posts on this page? I am referring to my last 3 posts currently at the bottom of that page.

Also, do you happen to have access to the book by Bernice Rose called "The Drawings of Roy Lichtenstein", published in 1987 by the Museum of Modern Art? I would like to confirm the quote by Bernice Rose that I am considering adding to the article. Thank you. Bus stop (talk) 12:57, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I think your comments seem particularly interesting although I don't have the Bernice Rose book - if you can validate the quote it's worthwhile...Modernist (talk) 13:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I've requested information here and here. Maybe somebody will have information on that quote. Bus stop (talk) 14:30, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I think I have validation on that quote.
This confirms the wording of Bernice Rose saying: "Copying from another artist’s work had been out of style for a good part of the twentieth century; the avant-garde had increasingly set store by invention. In resorting to old-fashioned copying (and of such “unartistic” models), Lichtenstein did something characteristic: he made it so obvious that he was copying that everyone knew it. In effect he…"
The wording ends at the above on Google Books. For the rest of that final sentence I find at this search ("The drawings of Roy Lichtenstein - Page 17"): "In effect he threw down the gauntlet, challenging the notion of originality as it prevailed at that time."
Also an editor at the German Wikipedia confirms that in translation we find the same idea. That can be seen here.
And at the Visual arts thread User:JNW points to this. The wording there is: "Lichtenstein did something characteristic: he made it so obvious that he was copying that everyone knew it. In effect he threw down the gauntlet, challenging the notion of originality as it prevailed at that time."
So while neither I nor anyone else has seen the English version of the book, I think I can be confident that the quoted language, which I originally encountered here, is accurate.
By the way, I have also raised this question here but I've so far gotten no responses. Bus stop (talk) 23:30, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
IMO you have confirmation of the quote...Modernist (talk) 23:37, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Comment requested

Hey, Modernist, are you interested on commenting on this? It got quickly buried. Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:23, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Curly Turkey—your "paraphrasing" is misleading. You are placing emphasis where Bernice Rose is not placing emphasis and you are removing emphasis from where it was found in the original. That is not acceptable paraphrasing, and why would paraphrasing be called for in this instance? The entire quote can be left out of the article. We can use the implication of her quote to support assertions in our article. That is not hard to do. And assertions deriving from Bernice Rose's commentary need not be confined to only one place in our article. If similar implications find applicability at two locations in our article, I think that should be acceptable too. There is no reason that I'm aware of that we should resort to paraphrasing in this instance. Bus stop (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
I proposed it for discussion. So discuss it and work out the kinks. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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WP:TFAR nomination of Whaam!

Given your active participation that resulted in the recent WP:FA promotion of Whaam!, I am informing you of a discussion that you may want to take part in at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#Whaam.21.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 08:09, 9 September 2013 (UTC)


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Thank you for your attention to the Whaam! WP:FAC discussion. Your expertise was quite helpful.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you and congratulations Tony...Modernist (talk) 01:30, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

An afd that may be of interest

I'm reminded slightly of User:Leningradartist when I saw the Afd on Sergey Zagraevsky. -- Ohc ¡digame!¿que pasa? 18:43, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

About Informalism

Hello Modernist,

I disagree on merging Informalism into Tachism, as Tachism is only a part of Art Informel or Informalism. Doing this would be an art history mistake. As I am not satisfied with what i have written for now, I am working on it. I would like to have your opinion on this. What I agree on is that I realized that my translation of the Spanish page, Informalismo, is not relevant because the Spanish page was not. I think as well written and comprehensive as the French one. I will redo the page using the French one as a model and complete it with right sources. Regarding merging Informalism under Tachism, I agree in merging both but under the umbrella of Informalism since that was the primary artistic movement and Tachism was a part of Informalism. Tachism is an informal process, a pictorial technique that certain Informalist painters developed but the majority of the Informalist used various techniques, including tachism. Wikime54Wikime54 (talk) 13:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC) Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikime54 (talk • contribs) 10:13, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Place all comments to talk pages on the bottom of the page. Regarding your idea - I am opposed, Tachism stays as the article title; a merge is possible although I think you should just add your information provided it's sourced and notable to the Tachism article...Modernist (talk) 13:27, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Reproduction Sutton Hoo Helmet

This is not simply a matter of preference. If you haven't read the discussion, you need to.

There has been objection since April 2012 to the use of a 20th century reproduction object as the lead image, when there are thousands of genuine objects to chose from. The editors should have taken heed a year ago, before I bought into it.

I'm not keen on those Visigoth crowns, but another editor has them high on his list of preferences. The genuine Vendel crown (one revert back) was better.

Amandajm (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your opinion, I answered with mine...Modernist (talk) 20:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Violation of Fair use rules

Stay off my page!...Modernist (talk) 13:09, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

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Just talking

Sometimes I all but lose my equilibrium. The other day I was doing a demo painting for a class, a rapid and abstracted study of a model in the interior, and a new student got between me and the painting, pointed at the nose and asked why I hadn't finished it. No need to respond, just figured you'd appreciate the situation. Best, JNW (talk) 17:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Sometimes they do say the strangest things...Modernist (talk) 22:51, 13 October 2013 (UTC)


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  • Thank you SV, this means a lot to me...Modernist (talk) 20:55, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Your additions to History of painting

Would you add them back? I reverted the deletions until this entire issue is settled but when I did so it reverted your additions also. NFCN doesn't enforce article size, and admins aren't police. If he wants it cut it down let him take it to the appropriate board and we'll get more eyes on this. Don't fear taking this to a higher board; WP policies are not your enemy; fear is. Tom Reedy (talk) 05:31, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Tom, - I had only re-added a Rublev and a Chagall - it looks as though those are back in place...Modernist (talk) 11:19, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
An individual editor has very little influence when dealing with these types of problems. If you want to help correct this mismanagement of Wikipedia policies, you need to expand your interests beyond this one article and get involved in resolution discussions, because the problem is not confined to this page. See the other discussions at WP:NFCR and the one going on here and make your opinion known. Tom Reedy (talk) 13:42, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks again, believe me - I know - I've been arguing these issues for years...Modernist (talk) 13:50, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter

Books and Bytes

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Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Greenwich Village In The 60s" Editathon! Saturday November 2

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Please join Wikipedia "Greenwich Village In The 60s" Editathon on November 2, 2013!
Everyone gather at Jefferson Market Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
for Greenwich Village articles on the history and the community.
--Pharos (talk) 22:02, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

I take it that ...

you don't like packed galleries. These were introduced about 3 months ago by the WMF and I like them in many places. They almost eliminate the wide borders that dominate the earlier galleries, i.e. you can see the pictures much better.

May I ask you to play around with the mode=packed option and see how galleries can now be better formatted? I think in many cases people's eyes are just used to one option and a new option just jumps out and surprises them. After seeing the new option for awhile, it might however be less surprising and more useful. I'm just asking that you try something new, not that you revert these back.

All the best,

Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:01, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. The articles read better as they are with the existing galleries; please refrain from changing the articulated galleries in articles that have been worked on for years by many editors. Thanks...Modernist (talk) 23:41, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013 FA Thanks

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Thank you for your editorial contributions to Whaam!, which recently was promoted to WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:04, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Tony...Modernist (talk) 22:46, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

You're invited to join WikiProject Women artists!

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Hello Modernist! Thank you for your contributions to articles related to Women artists. I'd like to invite you to become a part of WikiProject Women artists, a WikiProject aimed at improving the quality of articles about women artists on Wikipedia.

If you would like to participate, please visit the WikiProject Women artists page for more information. Feel free to sign your name under "Members". I look forward to your involvement!

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2012 Munich artworks discovery

Hi Modernist,

you recently added a link to a Haaretz interview with Joel Levi to the external links section. Unfortunately I do not have a subscription, is there any other place to find the full text of this interview? Or is there a freely available interview with the same information somewhere else? It seems that he was interviewed by several TV stations and papers on the discovery and restitution issues. Thanks! -- (talk) 22:24, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

It's not available anymore - although it was when I first posted it. I found this link which mentions Joel Levi's comments: [27]. I probably should delete the link now...Modernist (talk) 01:41, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Too bad... but that new link makes for some really interesting background reading. Thanks! -- (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Bracha L. Ettinger

You reverted my edit of Bracha L. Ettinger. I think you felt that I removed valid references. Could you please explain how the references cited support the claim that the Bracha L. Ettinger is "among the most influential [..] contemporary painters" . I've carefully reviewed the references and I don't see anything that supports that claim. I believe they're invalid references. It is perhaps worth noting that the editor who made the edit that I take issue with on 4 September, Cosmotraumatika, claims to be a "Student, applicant and Wikipedia digital archiver for artist, philosopher and psychoanalyst Bracha Ettinger". Michiel Duvekot 02:10, 30 November 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mduvekot (talkcontribs)

I do appreciate your work so far, however we don't remove valid references like those in the lede in the Ettinger article. While I agree the claim was over exaggerated - and the rhetoric was somewhat over the top - and needed changing, modifying, editing etc. We edit - we make clear - we don't erase references. Please use the talk pages in the future before removing references, thanks...Modernist (talk) 04:06, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Regarding your statement - I've carefully reviewed the references and I don't see anything that supports that claim. I believe they're invalid references. - They are valid references regarding Ettinger as a notable figure; although they do not support the claim - (agreed) then remove the claim, we don't throw out the baby with the bathwater...Modernist (talk) 04:14, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon" at Queens Library! Friday December 6

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Please join Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon on December 6, 2013!
Everyone gather at Queens Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
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Drop-ins welcome 10am-7pm!--Pharos (talk) ~~~~~

Greetings from another NY Wikipedian

Hi Modernist, I wanted to reach out to you because I've encountered your edits many times on articles about art and museums in New York City and really appreciate your work. I also wanted to extend my greeting as Wikipedian in Residence at the Metropolitan New York Library Council. I have been at METRO since August and have been trying to reach out to New York Libraries, Archives, and Museums to get them hosting Wikipedians and also editing internal on their collections. I would be curious to know if you have any interest in GLAM-wiki or have already been involved. I also thought I might invite you to the Edit-a-Thon that we just started planning for February 1st in Chelsea at Eyebeam Gallery. Details coming soon. Cheers, OR drohowa (talk) 19:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC) (Dorothy) Metropolitan New York Library Council GLAM Page.

Hi there, please keep me informed, thanks...Modernist (talk) 23:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

The Lady and the Unicorn

Hi M, thanks for this edit. I was trying to find that on the Met website and should have looked on Commons! Victoria (talk) 14:42, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, it got lost...Modernist (talk) 14:55, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

File:Hockney, A Bigger Grand Canyon.jpg

This file is still missing a rationale for one of it usages. Werieth (talk) 23:45, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up...Modernist (talk) 00:27, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

The Editor's Barnstar

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Your hard work on the Arthur Dove article is very much appreciated Modernist. You're the best. Coldcreation (talk) 14:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated...Modernist (talk) 14:58, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Survey

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)


While you were reverting and leaving a note, I was leaving a detailed message. - Your message it pure bullshit...Modernist (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I fully appreciate the use of galleries in articles, but seventy-five images lumped together in a seemingly random manner is not an effective way to present an artist's work. - every painting deserves to be there...Modernist (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Images need careful choosing and placement. - and who do you think you are to imply they were not carefully chosen - HOW DARE YOU...Modernist (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

The images, either singly or together, have to convey information. - And they do...Modernist (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

In a gallery, this needs to be done by very careful arrangement. See for example Sketch (drawing) where twenty-two images have been used to illustrate the medium, the styles and the purposes of sketching by some of the world's greatest artists over 500 years. The images were chosen from hundreds available, and were laid out in four rows of five, as carefully as if they were in a printed publication or on the walls of a gallery. irrelevant bullshit...Modernist (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

The article on Monet needs work. Some of the expression is very naive. I will put it on my list. Meanwhile, I suggest that you restore my changes. I don't want to get into an edit war, but "Monet was a famous painter" simply isn't a good enough reason for having a mish-mash of images jammed together without though or rationale. - Then learn a little about painting...Modernist (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC) Amandajm (talk) 01:20, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Don't revert or remove those paintings - you don't know what you're talking about. I am not getting into this with you because I don't have the time. If you remove those images I will restore them. I really do not want to get started on you - but I will if I have to...Modernist (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Captions for pictures

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Visual arts#Image captions

Quote: "Note: some editors prefer "Title, Artist" to the other way round. This should be consistent within an article. A short explanatory caption is often desirable, showing why the picture has been included, if necessary at the expense of some of the more technical information." Amandajm (talk) 03:50, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

I found that there were a number of inconsistencies in the captions of Italian Renaissance painting and have followed through with the same format as the ones that you changed as it seemed like the clearest system of labelling. Amandajm (talk) 08:12, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you...Modernist (talk) 11:19, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


If you dont mind the 80s production, this is a beautiful tribute to Spector era girl groups [28]. And her dad wrote a tune that *really* hit in Ireland.[29][30]. Ceoil (talk) 12:16, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thanks...Modernist (talk) 12:20, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Holiday greetings!

Happy Holidays to you...

Loved Bob and the video...

Here's one of my soulful favorites.--CaroleHenson (talk) 04:37, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Hi Modernist, and Happy Holidays!

Happy Holidays! Bus stop (talk) 04:50, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy holiday season....

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Damn need a few of these after a frenetic year and Xmas. Hope yours is a good one....Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:39, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

Best wishes

Colmar (9625058240).jpg Belated happy christmas and a tolerable new year. Gil de Siloe-del retablo de la capilla de San Pedro-catedral de Burgos-DSC 0516b.jpg
Wishing you all the best for 2014.[31] Ceoil (talk) 23:07, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
The Feast of the Gods-1514 1529-Giovanni Bellini and Titian half crop.jpg Happy New Year, 2014
From Amandajm (talk) 09:14, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

On New Year's Day, 600 years ago, Giovanni Bellini began work on a rather large "Dejeuner sur l'herbe" but having set up the models and commenced the painting, he soon found that he was in no fit state to continue it.
At this point Titian stepped in. That's him on the extreme left. Bellini is sleeping it off under a bush.

Thanks for this; much appreciated, Happy New Year to you both...Modernist (talk) 11:10, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

All the best to you for the holiday season, Modernist, and thanks for the good wishes and the great song. :) SlimVirgin (talk) 01:40, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Concerning User:SarahStierch

Could you have a look at this? Bus stop (talk) 23:37, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

troubling on both ends. This just ain't the place it used to be...Modernist (talk) 01:11, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

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May you and yours enjoy a healthful, happy and productive 2014!

Thank you for the touching, beautiful song.

Best regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:29, 9 January 2014 (UTC)


Thanks Sandy, much appreciated...Modernist (talk) 18:50, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Pop art/Alex Katz

Tell me if this edit is acceptable. Thanks. Bus stop (talk) 12:39, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

It's fine, thanks...Modernist (talk) 12:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Art + Feminism Edit-a-Thon in New York

Hi User:Modernist Hope you are well. I noticed that you edit a lot of article on New York Art. Just wanted to pass along an invite to the Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism Edit-a-Thons nationally on February 1st. Please forward this page to anyone you think would be interested. Hope to see you there. :) OR drohowa (talk) 16:47, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Daniel Robbins (art historian)

Hello Modernist, happy new year!!! I was wondering if you could take a look at this discussion and voice your opinion either way. Thanks. Coldcreation (talk) 01:48, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Saturday: NYC Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon

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an event aimed at collaboratively expanding Wikipedia articles covering Art and Feminism, and the biographies of women artists!

There are also regional events that day in Brooklyn, Westchester County, and the Hudson Valley.
--Pharos (talk)

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon

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Video about Conservation of paintings

I think this is an interesting video about conservation of paintings. Bus stop (talk) 02:24, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, great to see...Modernist (talk) 11:59, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


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For being an important part of the team at Ezra Pound and for helping to make it happen. SlimVirgin (talk) 15:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks SV and thanks to Ceoil and Victoria (TK) too; companeros all...Modernist (talk) 19:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Ernest Hemingway templates

You are one of a handful of editors with more than 25 edits at Talk:Ernest Hemingway. There is a debate at Talk:Ernest_Hemingway#Ernest_Hemingway_templates regarding the inclusion of {{To Have and Have Not}}, {{The Old Man and the Sea}}, {{The Killers (short story)}}, {{For Whom the Bell Tolls}}, {{A Farewell to Arms}}, {{The Sun Also Rises}} on the article. Previously at WP:NOVEL a discussion was held when editing at Fyodor Dostoyevsky got contentious. The discussion was held in May 2013 at a broad level regarding editors with multiple templates like these. At the time Charles Dickens, Stephen King, Jane Austen, H. G. Wells, Mark Twain, Jules Verne, Edgar Rice Burroughs, Robert Louis Stevenson, Agatha Christie, Bram Stoker, Felix Salten, Arthur Conan Doyle, Truman Capote, Curt Siodmak, Dashiell Hammett, Émile Zola, Washington Irving, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Oscar Wilde (mostly plays), Alexandre Dumas, Hans Christian Andersen, Nikolai Gogol, Leo Tolstoy, Edgar Allan Poe, A. J. Cronin, Ernest Hemingway, H. P. Lovecraft, John Steinbeck, Herman Melville, Wilkie Collins, H. Rider Haggard, Thomas Hardy, Sarat Chandra Chattopadhyay, Henryk Sienkiewicz, John Wyndham were all in this group. Since then William Shakespeare has been added based on discussions at WP:BARD. That discussion reached no consensus but the closer suggested reopening debate on the group as a whole or on a subset with five or more templates which might be handled differently than those with fewer templates. He made no suggestion that the debates should devolve to debates at each individual author's page. The group with 5 or more would be Hemingway, William Shakespeare, Charles Dickens, Stephen King, Jane Austen, H. G. Wells, Jules Verne, Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Oscar Wilde, and Hans Christian Andersen. My interpretation of the current debate is centering on whether Hemingway should be laid out differently than this peer group of authors in the sense that this article be the only one with these templates removed. Please come join the discussion.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:56, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Reed Award

Hi! You reverted my edits on the Reed Award. Are you even aware what the prize actually adheres to? It is an art award. -- Horst-schlaemma (talk) 22:06, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Looks like an architecture subject...Modernist (talk) 23:40, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

JFK, Bronxite

Sorry, I messed up on that edit. Thanks for the correction and the link to the fascinating article. Bellagio99 (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your message; it's cool - it is a fascinating and little known aspect of JFK's life...Modernist (talk) 01:45, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Joan Miró Global Challenge — you're invited!

Dear Modernist
I am glad to invite you to join us in an international GLAMwiki event, organised by Amical Wikimedia and Barcelona’s Fundació Miró. This event, called “Joan Miró Global Challenge”, will take place next 10th May, and it will consist of a 10-hour Wikipedia editing party, where wikipedians from all around the world will be welcome to edit together to reach the goal of making 10 key articles about Joan Miró and his artworks available in at least 10 languages. More information about the whole project can be found in this post at the Wikimedia Foundation blog.

We would appreciate it if you could spread the word and invite the members of your community to participate. Also, we have contacted some newcomer editors (especially in the UK, Ireland, Germany, Italy, Argentina, Chile, and the United States) that would have a better editing experience if they were accompanied by some experienced wikipedians.

The project is getting more exciting as time goes by and we would like to share it as much as we can. We thank you for your help in advance, and will be happy to help if any clarification is needed.

Best regards!--ESM (talk) 18:37, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Max Bill/Concrete art

Hi Modernist. How do I get this onto this? Could you do it, if you agree that it should be done? (I'm not so good with placement and size of images in articles.) Thanks. Bus stop (talk) 18:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Done, :) no problem...Modernist (talk) 22:48, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Beautiful! Thanks! Bus stop (talk) 22:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
I've added some written material to the image of the Max Bill sculpture at the Concrete art article. If you can think of any improvements please feel free to edit away. Bus stop (talk) 00:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
I hope you like yodeling. Bus stop (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Ty...Modernist (talk) 10:23, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
I thought you might find this video interesting. Bus stop (talk) 23:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
It is interesting, thanks...Modernist (talk) 10:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

another topic

Concerning your comments about my "The Slave Ship" edit: I did not do any of these things: I simply corrected a wrong analysis of Turner's painting. The source I referenced, George P. Landow, is a professor (I think emeritus) of English and Art History at Brown University: Isn't that reliable?

I don't understand your comment. The view of the painting I present is, I think, the consensus of art critics and historians, not any sort of "original research" (I am a professor but not of Art) or "synthesis". I am really puzzled by how Wikipedia is working here. Just take a look at the painting and read about its history and Turner's hatred of slavery. How can one interpret this painting as just about the ascendency of nature -- without a single mention of slavery? Who wrote this nonsense? It is a narrow and overly academic bit of fiddle faddle. Who's the actual Wiki-referee here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbridger (talkcontribs) 14:33, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Matisse template

Hi there. With articles like Musée Matisse (Nice), Matisse Museum (Le Cateau) and An Essay on Matisse, I do think there's some content that is crying out to be included in Template:Matisse. I was going to add a "Related" field, but there are so many already. Do you think there might be a way to perhaps merge Teachers/Collectors/Family into a single "People" field? Or should I just go ahead and add a ninth group to the template? thanks, Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Shawn sounds good; unfortunately I'm away until sometime later this week. Use your best judgment - I'll be back by Friday...Modernist (talk) 19:10, 6 May 2014 (UTC)


Jan Breughel (II) & Peter Paul Rubens (Studio) - Landscape with Diana and her Nymphs.jpg

Why do you think that that picture should be to the left? On my screen looks like an emormous gap, when placing it like that. It just looks bad. Hafspajen (talk) 13:56, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The image on the right enables the gallery to remain flush left. Look - I admire your efforts - however the Rubens images need to be placed chronologically - and I would suggest you might sub divide into various subsections - like drawings - portraits - nudes - landscapes etc. Good work so far though...Modernist (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes, please. Like to be admired... Face-smile.svg. I am working on it, right now. You know, that is not that easy to fix that. Not if I want to put them too lok good. You need to have the vertical pictures toghether, and the horisontals too, on same rows. Then it has to match in colour and expression. Many good painters just don't show up well, because of the crappy presentation of the works. I am not ready yet. Actually I was looking for better pictures, because we missed many of the great, good works of Rubens, I just have to find them. I know the last row in not in cron. order, I will soon try to fix that. Hafspajen (talk) 14:12, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Try to sub divide. Hafspajen (talk) 15:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Good start! Add dates when you can...Modernist (talk) 17:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Of course I am, I would need 100 hands though... Hafspajen (talk) 18:07, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Report at ANI about your personal attacks and behavior

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Saturday June 21: Wiki Loves Pride

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Head VI

Picasso, La Femme en Chemise, 1913

Long time no talk. I was wondering if I could ask a favour; a source on Francis Bacon mentions a 1913 Picasso Woman in a Slip Seated in an Armchair. I've not been able to locate or indentify it. Can you look around please. Thanks, Paul Ceoil (talk) 23:11, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Try this: [32], I'll keep looking around...Modernist (talk) 00:16, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
and these [33]...Modernist (talk) 00:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Wow, the figure to the side facing inwards is really haunting. Look at the angel of his head. Ceoil (talk) 05:09, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
Added now. Tks as always, man. Ceoil (talk) 01:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic

Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Central Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–8pm at southwest section of the Great Lawn, north of the Delacorte Theater.

Also, before the picnic, you can join in the Wikimedia NYC chapter's annual meeting.

11:30am-12:30pm at Yeoryia Studios, 2067 Broadway.

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I made that gallery to look like I reverted to, I am just trying to say so. Why aren't you happy with it? I mean one puts down quite a lot of effort to put together pictures, colours, forms, sizes, verticals, horisontals, - like making it for a real gallery or thinking about their placement as it would be in a museum on the walls. Hafspajen (talk) 22:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

At this point they both should be as is but centered. Try that...Modernist (talk) 22:50, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit to "Los Angeles County Museum of Art"

Greetings and felicitations. I noticed that you reverted my edit to the Los Angeles County Museum of Art article. I made the edit because 1) with only four rows, in wide browser windows the gallery leaves extra white space on the right, space which could more profitably used for the images; and 2) because per the MOS, editors should "[i]alicize only the elements of the sentence affected by the emphasis. Do not italicize surrounding punctuation."

Would you please consider reverting your reversion?—DocWatson42 (talk) 23:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

The white spaces and the format enables the works of art to be seen in their best light. I have worked for years and very hard setting those images up as they were before you changed them. Please refrain from changing the galleries on visual art pages; thank you...Modernist (talk) 00:47, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I respectfully disagree—the excess white space on the right looks silly (try viewing the page in browser window greater than 1400 pixels), especially with the single image hanging off the bottom of the gallery. And what about the italics?—DocWatson42 (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Clearly we disagree...Modernist (talk) 11:01, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Summer 2014

Hello Modernist, just wishing you a great summer. I haven't seen you online much lately so I presume you're on vacation. If so, I hope it's the best ever... Your fellow art lover, Coldcreation (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Coldcreation, thank you for all of your help and for your kind wishes. The summertime has been most welcome around here - although real life has been extremely difficult since the late Autumn of 2012; especially these past 2 weeks have been tough. Hopefully I will be able to edit again a little more often soon. I greatly appreciate your input, thanks again...Modernist (talk) 16:33, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, hopefully all will go well and you'll be back in no time. Best wishes Modernist. Coldcreation (talk) 23:37, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share

Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

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Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe

I noticed you reversed my deletion of a section in the article covering Le Déjeuner sur l’herbe. The section consisted almost entirely of a very long, uncontextualized quote. This is a very poor way to present others' ideas. I deleted it outright because it seemed like much of what Zola said had been mentioned in the previous section. I can take a stab at incorporating mention of Zola and his ideas in this section (without excessive quotation) to make sure his points aren't lost, but you seem more knowledgeable about the topic. Would you rather do the summarizing or review my attempt and modify accordingly? — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 19:04, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, please give it a try. Manet and Zola were friends; and his (Zola's) discussion is important - he was a respected art critic at the time, however wordy it appears. I'm happy to review what you do...Modernist (talk) 19:29, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
I should add though - In my opinion Zola's entire quote should remain. He partially explains why the public was so outraged by the painting and his remarks enable us to better understand the images provided in the next section of the article; which also contain nude women and clothed men...Modernist (talk) 19:40, 19 September 2014 (UTC)


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There you can coordinate with editors who are addressing the effect of the gender gap on women on Wikipedia – whether as article subjects, editors or readers. If you would like to help, please sign up or visit the talk page.

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Thanks for the invitation SV, I'll join and do what I can...Modernist (talk) 12:17, 29 September 2014 (UTC)


We seriously want those six threads from 9 years ago, instead of the latest one? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

No, I'm trying to archive all of it...Modernist (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh well. I thought June was recent enough to preserve (and possibly act as a prompt for new Talk Page additions). But no worries. It's certainly a lot tidier now! I must admit I was a bit intrigued as to why the bot had left those 6 oldest threads and cleared away all the newer stuff. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Gerde's Folk City

The "unexplained deletion" was cleaning up Orion99's spam. Orion99 spent the morning spamming links to their website in 30 articles. Helpsome (talk) 22:24, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

I reversed myself - but you need to explain your edits - use spam as an edit summery...Modernist (talk) 22:27, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Art International Radio

I saw you removed the CSD spam tag I added. I've spent the last two days blocking socks associated with Clocktower and deleting articles that are both promotional and copyright infringements. You will note that the other recent edit on the talk page by User:Beamjohnson80, another clock tower account, for his own reasons (wants the article at Clock Tower) also claims that this version is a copyright infringement and promotional. For now I've just tagged for despamming the clearly promotional text to give you a chance to clean it up rather than go to AFD, please don't remove the tag without addressing the issues. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 07:13, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your message and for your work over there. My hope is that the article can survive; although there clearly are issues. I'll look it over today...Modernist (talk) 10:51, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks so much for help with adding to the David Simpson (artist) page. Great references. I am still in the process of writing a fuller article which will have a bit more detail about his work and such, including more references. I will hopefully get that up in the next couple of weeks. But in the meantime really appreciate your help. Thank you! Mwolfkahn (talk) 16:58, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm glad that I could help...Modernist (talk) 12:08, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Degenerate art

I've added a "related articles" sub-section to the template. Hopefully that's more clearer for you. Happy to discuss, even if you aren't. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:05, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Related makes more sense...Modernist (talk) 15:11, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Great. So no objections to add it back to the Munich article? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 15:26, 5 November 2014 (UTC)


Do you have your books yet? I was wondering if you’d like to have another go at Gauguin. The minor issues which got in the way last time were silly! I think we are both very stubborn, but I have the bigger picture in mind and I am determined not to let that get in the way. We were definitely making progress at the time. Nonc01 (talk) 03:30, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

I do finally have my books. Next week might work for me; this week I don't have any time...Modernist (talk) 22:04, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I have notified Coldcreation and set the wheels rolling in Talk:Paul Gauguin and my sandbox, come along when you can. Nonc01 (talk) 16:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
To be clear - any sign of snark from you and all bets are off...Modernist (talk) 23:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


I actually hope to be able to nominate that Caravaggio picture as an FP (Featured pic) - hope it is OK, because it has to be used or it won't work. Maybe together with an other one in the article. Hafspajen (talk) 20:03, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

There is a little botheration with the sources on that one so it is placed in the waiting area, down on the page, for clarification - I still have hopes it will work. In the meanwhile, this - article - Will you look at it? ->Conversion on the Way to Damascus.
I was trying to get it in shape - and it has a weird history - so I made some changes, but probably not enough. Since you know more about him, you might be able to find the sources - or apply some from your main article, perhaps. Hafspajen (talk) 15:33, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I'll give it a look.
Here's some things to contemplate:;;;;;;;

and this:;; ...Modernist (talk) 17:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

I will, but I nominated instead the Caravaggio - The Crowning with Thorns - that was Google Art Project.jpg ‎ - and looks it will manage. Shame that we only have 1 FP of him. Hafspajen (talk) 04:26, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Holy crap. We had NONE, ACTUALLY. What a scandal. Hafspajen (talk) 04:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share

Thursday December 4: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
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You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop in Manhattan's Greenwich Village.

6:30pm–8pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Afterwards at 8pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

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Futurism and Constructivism, variants of Cubism

Hello Modernist. There is an important debate transpiring in the Cubism Talk page that you might be interested in. In any case, I would be interested in hearing your point of view, based on you knowledge of the subject, about the relations between Cubism, Futurism and Constructivism, the latter two as possible variants of the movement that would become known as Cubism in 1911. I take this opportunity to send you my best wishes for the upcoming holiday season and best regards, as always. Coldcreation (talk) 07:13, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

It looks interesting; I'll try to contribute...Modernist (talk) 16:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Antoine Bourdelle

Dear Modernist, some major changes have been made recently to the Antoine Bourdelle article. I've just reverted to an older version. I've explained why at Talk:Antoine Bourdelle. Your opinion would be greatly appreciated. Please look at the version which I removed. Here is what it looked like before I reverted. Notice the layout!!! There is likely some useful content within that version which will probably need to be added to the current article. Until then, I think a discussion is needed. Thanks. Coldcreation (talk) 11:32, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

articles on individual works of art

Hi Modernist—Can I ask you your opinion of this AfD? Notice how it compares to an article on another individual work of art such as The Lovers (sculpture), by Mark di Suvero. That article also relies on a Smithsonian document for its support in sources. Bus stop (talk) 02:06, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Category for Mark di Suvero sculpture

I think there should be a Category Mark di Suvero sculpture. Do you agree? If so, do you think that you could create that? I am a bit incompetent in that department. Bus stop (talk) 13:52, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't think a category is the answer but I made a template: [34]...Modernist (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Modernist! Bus stop (talk) 00:15, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Best wishes for a happy holiday season

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Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user an Awesome Holiday and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone with whom you had disagreements in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings! Joys!Hafspajen (talk) 02:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Happy holidays and thank you, and all the best to you!...Modernist (talk) 11:32, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

Those are beautiful songs, Modernist, thank you. All the best to you for the holidays, SlimVirgin (talk) 01:58, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

You're the best Modernist. Wishing you the happiest holiday season ever!!! Coldcreation (talk) 09:02, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind wishes, and I sincerely wish for you a good year. See you amidst the artworks. Don't stub your toe on the sculptures. Bus stop (talk) 12:07, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

  • Lovely to wake up to this morning (especially Cohen, a favorite for … well… decades!). Thanks so much Modernist! Wishing you and yours a wonderful holiday season and a wonderful 2015. Victoria (tk) 13:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Holiday greetings

Thank you Victoria, beautiful...Modernist (talk) 23:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC)


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Nollaig shona duit
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Merry xmass fellow old timer ;) My best, FWIT.
Thanks Ceoil; Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and to your family...Modernist (talk) 00:11, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Yuletide greetings

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Merry Christmas!
I ran out of lumps of coal, so I'm distributing leftover children. Happy holidays! Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:34, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Bah, Humbug! Thanks CT; all the best to you and yours...Happy New Year and Merry Christmas!...Modernist (talk) 02:06, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

interesting talk

I think this is fairly fascinating. Bus stop (talk) 11:17, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Leonard A. Lauder on Collecting Cubism is quite interesting too. Coldcreation (talk) 11:56, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Both are really worth watching thanks...Modernist (talk) 12:16, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
The Douglas Cooper collection was a fantastic accumulation of the best of Cubist work; Lauder did well by acquiring it; unfortunately Cooper was a monstrous asshole exemplifed by the self-destruction of Nicolas De Stael, and John Richardson walking out on him. Duncan and Casebere are to my mind incredibly boring in a conventional way. Sadly demonstrating the utter mediocrity of contemporary art history essentially clueless - no vision, no insight, just awful conventional crap in most cases. My take on photo realism, pop art, minimalism and conceptual art including Duchamp has become seriously negative as it eludes any sort of visionary expression but parrots market strategies exemplified by Judd and others. High abstraction goes right over these mediocre heads - I'll take Hans Hofmann, Matisse and Picasso and Pollock over all and everything mentioned by the talk at the Walker. Maybe it's time to dump Duchamp...Modernist (talk) 14:07, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Bobby Hebb - Sunny Bus stop (talk) 12:17, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
BOBBY HEBB & RON CARTER - SUNNY.LIVE ACOUSTIC TV PERFROMANCE 1972 Bus stop (talk) 12:35, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Thank you...Modernist (talk) 12:37, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Re: Van Gogh

Responded in the talk page. (N0n3up (talk) 00:04, 8 January 2015 (UTC))

In regards to your message in the talk page. I understand, but this was not about whether he is Dutch or not, its the fact that the art movement he took part of is interfering on how we address his nationality as you intended, which is unrelated. For example, Picasso was a Spaniard who took part of art movements that originated in France, and like you mentioned, the majority in that certain field were French, yet the art movement that he took part of had nothing to do with his nationality, as you can see his article. And at that time, there were many artists who settled in France, specially Paris that were of different nationalities, thus going back to what I said of the artistic movement and the artist himself. (N0n3up (talk) 05:18, 8 January 2015 (UTC))
You're mixing apples and oranges. Picasso goes to France and is one of the inventors of Cubism along with Braque and others. Artists from all over the world converge in Paris to paint and to make art. That's not the point, the Post-Impressionist moment that Van Gogh essentially embodied was French, even though he was a Dutchman. Later in can be argued artists from all over began to emulate the innovations set down by Van Gogh, Gauguin, Seurat, Cezanne and Lautrec...Modernist (talk) 11:32, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Van Gogh even though his art embodied a French style, he made a mark of the art movement. But that's not the point. The point is that the reason you want to put of Dutch origin instead of was a Dutch painter is because of his artistic field. I saw that you changed it to was a major Post-Impressionist. A Dutch painter whose work.... Even though his artistic sphere has nothing to do with how we refer to his nationality. But since you seem to specialise in this field of art, I will leave my trust in you. (N0n3up (talk) 22:20, 8 January 2015 (UTC))
Keep in mind that I never added of Dutch origin in the first place, it was an editor in September 2013 who made that change. I am simply trying to clarify in the lede the best way to characterize the amazing, interesting, and mysterious character we all know as Vincent van Gogh...Modernist (talk) 22:31, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, and sorry if I seemed to have enlarged the situation more than I was supposed to. (N0n3up (talk) 04:13, 9 January 2015 (UTC))
It seems to have worked out for the best; not a problem...Modernist (talk) 11:09, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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You are invited to join us at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign (which also includes events in Brooklyn and Westchester!).

12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St

The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm.

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I greatly need your help here, and with the article in general, if you have time. Having difficulty pulling the threads together; right now it looks like Ingres was a dead end, which is obv far from the case. Ceoil (talk) 09:28, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Also Modernist, I dont think I got this quite right. Ceoil (talk) 09:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I'll take a look...Modernist (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I see all the edits and the Broodthaers find. Sound as usual Modernist, your help and colab is always very welcome. Ceoil (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Not really liking the Dylan standards album; its a good take, but doesnt really work for me. From somebody that prefers late to early Bob. Ceoil (talk) 00:14, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
A friend of mine asked me the other day what I thought of it but it's weird - I haven't heard it and I have no interest in hearing it. He's into what he's into - I'm not really interested in his take on tradition - his tradition - I'd rather listen to oldies of his than his take on Sinatra et al...Modernist (talk) 02:12, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
I like mid 70s and late 90s Dylan. Frankly I never liked big band, and though I get its a take on that, pfff. I do think he's got balls though, srill, and follows his own muse. Ceoil (talk) 02:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
I liked Modern Times (Bob Dylan album). Bus stop (talk) 03:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
His last album Tempest was great too - [35]...Modernist (talk) 03:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Oh, Mama, smoked my eyelids Bus stop (talk) 08:38, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
God yeah. That was the song that got me into Dylan in the first place, raiding my father's (then tape) collection. Oh Mercy came out just after, Political World still sounds urgent and relevant, and was released around the same time as Reed's NY, which still has the best opening lines of any album I've heard. Two stone classics. Ceoil (talk) 11:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
$26 Bus stop (talk) 20:25, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
Modernist, you are mentioned here. I appreciate all your help; expert openion always welcome and appreciated. Ceoil (talk) 15:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll keep watch...Modernist (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2015 (UTC)


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Hello, Modernist. You have new messages at Talk:Walter Liedtke.
Message added 15:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Could you explain to the user (I think they are genuinely good faith). —George8211 / T 15:37, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Done [36]...Modernist (talk) 16:14, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Edits on Abstract expressionism

  • I agree with Modernist and Freshacconci, both of whom reverted your edits. It's a trivial addition, and one whose claims: Abstract expressionism has been both appropriated and criticized in popular culture in various venues. The photographer Annie Leibowitz photographed Steve Martin standing in front of a Franz Kline canvas in a white suit "artfully" spattered with black paint in a widely circulated homage, are not supported by the link to an auction website, which only shows the image. To verify its place in the article, several reliable sources would need to cite the photograph's importance as a response to the article's subject. Additionally, to justify the addition of a new heading, multiple well-sourced examples of cultural responses are necessary--it's not explained why Leibowitz's image is particularly notable, or merits its own section. JNW (talk) 01:22, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Isthisuseful (talk) 22:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015
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You are invited to join us at Barnard College for Wikipedia Day NYC 2015, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference for the project's 14th birthday. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00pm - 9:00 pm at Barnard College, 3009 Broadway, by W 118th St

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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Your reversion of my edit to "John Singer Sargent"

Greetings and felicitations. I noticed that you reverted my edit to the John Singer Sargent article, with the comment "better before". Would you please be so kind as to explain why you made the change?—DocWatson42 (talk) 12:59, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Please leave the galleries alone. I work very hard on these visual arts articles, thank you...Modernist (talk) 13:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
While I can respect hard work, that doesn't answer my question: why did you revert my edit?—DocWatson42 (talk) 06:24, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello?—DocWatson42 (talk) 06:12, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Works of art need to be seen individually and not run into each other as you left it. Goodbye!...Modernist (talk) 11:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
I made no change to the borders of the images—they were spaced as far apart as they were before. I changed the galleries so that they wrap in wide browser windows, rather than leaving wide white spaces on the left margins (one-third of the window on a 1600 pixel display). Also, what does that have to do with the incorrect usage of "$US", rather than "US$" (as I corrected it and you reverted)?—DocWatson42 (talk) 09:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
The changes were tied together. I changed the galleries back - the paintings read better that way - the other change was inadvertent...Modernist (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

The Cubist Painters, Aesthetic Meditations

Hello Modernist. We need your expert opinion at the Talk page of The Cubist Painters, Aesthetic Meditations. The issue is wether of not there is over-quoting, excessive use of images, and wether the article relies too heavily on references to primary sources. Either way, your opinion will surely be beneficial to the article itself. Thanks in advance. Coldcreation (talk) 20:57, 15 March 2015 (UTC)


Lists of Artists by nationality

Care to offer a word of explanation as to why you have reverted the addition of this NavBox to the respective lists ? Regards 14GTR (talk) 06:57, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

They are absolutely irrelevant to the articles that you added them to; as I said they are not needed at those articles...Modernist (talk) 11:18, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Try making a new and separate article covering Lists of artists worldwide. This is where the template belongs by the way: Lists of artists by nationality, and here: Lists of painters by nationality, and maybe here: List of sculptors, thanks...Modernist (talk) 11:23, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

First off, the only comment you offered, in a single edit summary, was not needed - this is a list of American artists, whereas some prior discussion on my talk page would have been welcome. Leaving that aside, I really don't see the value of restricting the template in question to the three pages you suggest. I would have thought that the utility of a direct link between the various List of artists pages would be obvious. We already have it for the European pages. Would you be happier if the visable title of the NavBox was simply Artists by Nationality rather than Lists of ? Best regards, 14GTR (talk) 18:49, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Add here as well: List of painters by name...Modernist (talk) 11:38, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

That hardly answers my question. I notice you have also reverted several other edits of mine such as the addition of Mary Adshead's name to the list of British artists and also changes I made to the Irish and Israeli lists. Care to explain those changes ? 14GTR (talk) 13:22, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

You've been given an explanation. Develop consensus before adding this template to articles. It is irrelevant I think I've made my point! that's all...Modernist (talk) 16:40, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our inaugural evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month on Lady Librarians & Feminist Epistemologies! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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For all your edits, help, and guidance with Portrait of Monsieur Bertin. Your knowledge, effort and insight is....appreciated, as I've said many times before. Ceoil (talk) 18:43, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Congratulations Ceoil, and thanks...Modernist (talk) 23:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. And a tune [37]. Ceoil (talk) 13:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
Wow! Fantastic! I gotta head down the road soon - I still can't this out of my mind: [38]...Modernist (talk) 14:18, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
New to me. The rasp in the voice is amazing. I much, much prefer new to old Dylan. Ceoil (talk) 16:14, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

June 10: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting

Wednesday June 10, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon / Wikimedia NYC Annual Meeting
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our next evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on our agenda: recent and upcoming editathons, the organization's Annual Meeting, and Chapter board elections.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 16:50, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

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Only following edits by [[]]

Wols and Zao Wou Ki were well known in New York during the heyday of Abstract expressionism; and there work shows it. Wols died 1n '51 but his work was well known to the abstract expressionists. Zao Wou Ki was known by and influenced by the Abstract expressionists in NYC during the 50s and 60s as his biography articulates...Modernist (talk) 23:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Recent deletions were part of a Wikipedia GLAM Editathon

Hello there Modernist -- Not sure if you are aware of it but there are quite a few revert edits you made just now that are deleting content that was part of a Wikipedia GLAM Editathon held at the Guggenheim Museum yesterday. The museum donated 100 artworks to Wikipedia and the images were added to Galleries on the respective pages -- in addition to adding works using the Guggenheim external links template. Would you consider reverting your edits that removed the efforts of the Editathon? BrillLyle (talk) 13:25, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Hello there Brilllyle - yes I know; the edits were and are extraneous, overdone and irrelevant - that is why they have been deleted...Modernist (talk) 14:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Whoever told people it was a good idea to start adding lists of works that are in the collection of a particular museum was wrong. Sorry! Some of the additions of images to galleries seem excessive also. Biographical pages on artists of any significance are often very crowded, and many museums release images and hold GLAM events. If they all started behaving like this the results could be chaotic. Please don't join the Brooklyn Museum as the worst offender in this respect. Articles on individual artworks are generally a better, if harder, approach. Johnbod (talk) 14:03, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Well I totally disagree on all points here. If these were Google book assets it would be okay? But Museum assets are not okay? These digitized assets that are now becoming available through initiatives like this are a great part of the GLAM-Wikipedia initiative, and if there are assets already available and related to the subjects -- especially from well-established organizations within GLAM -- it is very clear that the page can only be improved in the long run by these additions. If there are a lot of resources, then a sub-page of the resources might be helpful if that's the objection.
I find both of these responses reflect a limitation to the innovation of Wikipedia and it makes me sad. I am not a big advocate of deleting content, err on the side of inclusion and possibly reorganizing versus deletion. And especially linking to really great digitized assets from established institutions with significant metadata -- that can fold into the Wikidata part of Wikipedia, seems incredibly forward-thinking, important, and valuable. But until editors like yourself unlock their points of view on this, it's clear it only stands in the way of making Wikipedia better. My impression is the consensus is to improve and help Wikipedia -- that we have this perspective in common? BrillLyle (talk) 17:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)


Have a bit to add yet, would like your view and input at Witches' Sabbath (The Great He-Goat). Any help appreciated man. Ceoil (talk) 08:42, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Vénus de Quinipily

Hello. Whenever you get some time, could you please take a look at the article and put some comments at the PR? This is a current GA and I am planning to take it up to FAC. Please let me know if you have any comments. - Vivvt (Talk) 03:04, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


Thank you for birthday improvements for Egon Schiele! - Regarding your comment on James Joyce about the deference to the principal editor, - by that argument the infobox for Geist und Seele wird verwirret, BWV 35 should not have been removed, but now there's no justice ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:11, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree Gerda, there is no justice!..Modernist (talk) 11:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
DYK and pictured ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
In this political world [39] [40] - one realizes hypocrisy rules, and justice is a game [41] [42]; that benefits the rich and the powerful [43] [44]...Modernist (talk) 12:58, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

July 8: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

Wednesday July 8, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

This month will also feature on a review of past and upcoming editathons, including Black Lunch Table Editathon @ MoMA on July 13.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month to be determined! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 05:45, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

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Your recent edit to Hieronymus Bosch did not include a reference. In BLP a reference has to be given with content that is inserted. So I reverted this particular edit during page change patrolling. Of course, feel free to revert my reversion when a reference is supplied. Best Regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  09:41, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
How is this a BLP issue? Bosch has been dead for almost 500 years. Kafka Liz (talk) 09:53, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Actually according to Michael Connelly he's a detective in LA...Modernist (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough, but that doesn't quite make him a living person, even in fanfic. Kafka Liz (talk) 11:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Totally true, I never believe Connelly's stories...Modernist (talk) 11:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 :) Kafka Liz (talk) 21:26, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Even 500 years can be considered recently dead in geologic time. Bus stop (talk) 21:56, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
I guess my own vampiric self has a ways to go, then. Kafka Liz (talk) 22:11, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Wouldn't you know Hieronymus Bosch has his own TV show now, who knew?...Modernist (talk) 03:25, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Pity it's not Keeping up with Hieronymus. Kafka Liz (talk) 08:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

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Marcel Duchamp; Reception

Hi Modernist. Can you please have a look [here]. Thanks, --Thot 1 (talk) 18:16, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


We did a lot of work on this a few years back, but never followed up. I have been searching for a project and this is very much something I'd be deeply passionate about. I'm fairly sure you would be too; well you are the person always tending and minding the page. See also here[45]. Ceoil (talk) 14:05, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

I've been there for years; won't stop now...Modernist (talk) 14:40, 18 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes you have. Ceoil (talk) 14:43, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Bull's Head

Hi Modernist—can you help me to add this image to the Bull's Head article? Thanking you in advance. Bus stop (talk) 16:36, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I have done it. Please adjust as needed. Thanks. Bus stop (talk) 19:04, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Bus stop (talk · contribs) you need to add copyright information, the source of the image, dates, and probably a Fair Use Rationale if the image is not in the public domain...Modernist (talk) 21:55, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
I tried to upload with all that information. It didn't work. I tried again. This time it worked, but it didn't ask me for that information (source of image, rationale for fair use, etc.). I'm going to try uploading again. I've deleted the image from the article, and I will upload with a slightly different title. By the way, it is found here. Bus stop (talk) 22:57, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
@Coldcreation: has added an image. That solves it for me. Thank you to all. Bus stop (talk) 15:53, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Great...Modernist (talk) 16:17, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

? Hafspajen (talk) 13:40, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Appreciated...Modernist (talk) 13:51, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Sunday August 2: WikNYC Picnic

Sunday August 2, 1-7pm: WikNYC Picnic
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You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Brooklyn's Prospect Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–7pm - come by any time! @ Bartel-Pritchard Square entrance (Prospect Park West and 15th St), immediately on the lawn to your left as you walk through the lovely lotus columns.
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We hope to see you there! --Pharos (talk) 03:31, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

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Pop art

Hi, why did you remove my entry? I think the painting of MM is a good supplementary as there is no other MM-portrait available from other Pop artists. I also sorted the images by years of creation. As the paragraph is a gallery, I think it makes sense to add a painting especially from MM as a typical Pop art subject. Can you please add the painting, former size and sorting can remain unchanged if you prefer. Thanks and best regards, Norbert Schott (talk) 17:34, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

We simply don't include everybody...Modernist (talk) 18:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

RE: Sally Gross (American choreographer)

I created the disamb page. The reason I changed it was because of this. Quis separabit? 12:58, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Leave it alone. It's much better and more intelligent the way I created the article, the rest is Bullshit.Modernist (talk) 14:02, 31 July 2015 (UTC)