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References[edit]

Thats my point exactly, its not that hard to add references instead of just deleting the injuries and "being rude about it". That's all YOU had to do about it just find the references and as far as my "deletion" of the stuff i would have added references but there really arnt any except for ONE. So yea you could be nice about it as well instead of trying to be a "jerk" back about it. Dw122339 (talk) 17:08, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't rude about it. They had no references, and referencing an injury or disappearance (which could be kayfabe) is a lot different than referencing the existence of a person, like Andy Shepherd, on the roster. WP:PW/RS has a lot of references you can use to reference articles with, so you have options there. If injuries are so easy to reference, I don't understand why no one uses proper references and actually does it. It's been going for years on Wikipedia, since I joined back in 2005, and not much has changed since. It doesn't seem like people will take the time to reference injuries/disappearances, so we have to remove it. — Moe Epsilon 17:13, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
If you have been around for that long and its been going on for that long, then why not actually be the first to step up to the plate and start referencing things. Injuries are actually easy to reference since WWE announces injuries and surgeries and what not. People tend to get lazy with wiki thinking that it would be perfectly fine to just add injuries and other things when no one ever comes along and bitches about it not being referenced so they dont actually put it with it. Look I'm not blaming you for anything except not taking time to actually add references and I'm guilt of that sometimes as well we all are but you kinda are doing a double standard here deleting stuff and bitching cuz someone one add references to injuries. Its not as easy to find references to people being signed when they are behind the scenes and are a nobody. You managed to get what one out of 6 or 7? Dw122339 (talk) 17:29, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm not saying that you should have been able to reference them all (you can't sometimes), but the person you removed had their own article and a reference easily available to grab and use for what you needed to. You seemed so focused on just blanking anything not referenced that you missed that one entirely. Besides the other announcer (who is brand new to WWE), they probably won't be referenced. Not everyone is easily referenced and if we can't find a decent reference, they should be removed. Injuries are sometimes announced, and sometimes they aren't, and dirtsheets can't be reliably used for Wikipedia. Regardless, it's ingrained in Wikipedia culture that "anyone can edit" and any little thing that happens on TV will be edited to articles. The reason it can't be changed is because new injuries/changes happen all the time like a revolving door and editors may or may not take the time to fix it. I am not here 24/7 and I don't have time to babysit articles — I don't own them. I have to rely on other editors who are making the changes to do it themselves. Every once in a while I check in and remove stuff like I did, because otherwise editors will think it is okay to do. Anyways, if you can find references for injuries, just re-insert them as you see fit. Just check WP:PW/RS to see if it meets the criteria of being reliable before you post it and it should be fine. — Moe Epsilon 17:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.12 30 July 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months. (Purge)

Hello Moe Epsilon, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

June backlog drive

Overall the June backlog drive was a success, reducing the last 3,000 or so to below 500. However, as expected, 90% of the patrolling was done by less than 10% of reviewers.
Since the drive closed, the backlog has begun to rise sharply again and is back up to nearly 1,400 already. Please help reduce this total and keep it from raising further by reviewing some articles each day.

New technology, new rules
  • New features are shortly going to be added to the Special:NewPagesFeed which include a list of drafts for review, OTRS flags for COPYVIO, and more granular filter preferences. More details can be found at this page.
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NPR Newsletter No.13 18 September 2018[edit]

Hello Moe Epsilon, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

The New Page Feed currently has 2700 unreviewed articles, up from just 500 at the start of July. For a while we were falling behind by an average of about 40 articles per day, but we have stabilised more recently. Please review some articles from the back of the queue if you can (Sort by: 'Oldest' at Special:NewPagesFeed), as we are very close to having articles older than one month.

Project news
As part of this project, the feed will have some larger updates to functionality next month. Specifically, ORES predictions will be built in, which will automatically flag articles for potential issues such as vandalism or spam. Copyright violation detection will also be added to the new page feed. See the projects's talk page for more info.
Other
Moving to Draft and Page Mover
  • Some unsuitable new articles can be best reviewed by moving them to the draft space, but reviewers need to do this carefully and sparingly. It is most useful for topics that look like they might have promise, but where the article as written would be unlikely to survive AfD. If the article can be easily fixed, or if the only issue is a lack of sourcing that is easily accessible, tagging or adding sources yourself is preferable. If sources do not appear to be available and the topic does not appear to be notable, tagging for deletion is preferable (PROD/AfD/CSD as appropriate). See additional guidance at WP:DRAFTIFY.
  • If the user moves the draft back to mainspace, or recreates it in mainspace, please do not re-draftify the article (although swapping it to maintain the page history may be advisable in the case of copy-paste moves). AfC is optional except for editors with a clear conflict of interest.
  • Articles that have been created in contravention of our paid-editing-requirements or written from a blatant NPOV perspective, or by authors with a clear COI might also be draftified at discretion.
  • The best tool for draftification is User:Evad37/MoveToDraft.js(info). Kindly adapt the text in the dialogue-pop-up as necessary (the default can also be changed like this). Note that if you do not have the Page Mover userright, the redirect from main will be automatically tagged as CSD R2, but in some cases it might be better to make this a redirect to a different page instead.
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NPR Newsletter No.14 21 October 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

Hello Moe Epsilon, thank you for your work reviewing New Pages!

Backlog

As of 21 October 2018, there are 3650 unreviewed articles and the backlog now stretches back 51 days.

Community Wishlist Proposal
Project updates
  • ORES predictions are now built-in to the feed. These automatically predict the class of an article as well as whether it may be spam, vandalism, or an attack page, and can be filtered by these criteria now allowing reviewers to better target articles that they prefer to review.
  • There are now tools being tested to automatically detect copyright violations in the feed. This detector may not be accurate all the time, though, so it shouldn't be relied on 100% and will only start working on new revisions to pages, not older pages in the backlog.
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Contesting speedy[edit]

Just curios why you are contesting [1] and [2]. Both have already been to AfD and were deleted, and now recreated. - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 17:32, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Because consensus can change, and the last consensus was formed between two editors which includes yourself. Since then, Dawkins and Ford have won a championship and been on NXT for half a year. AFD can determine if that is enough now. — Moe Epsilon 17:51, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Ok thanks - Galatz גאליץשיחה Talk 18:29, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.15 16 November 2018[edit]

Chart of the New Pages Patrol backlog for the past 6 months.

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Hello Moe Epsilon,

Community Wishlist Survey – NPP needs you – Vote NOW
  • Community Wishlist Voting takes place 16 to 30 November for the Page Curation and New Pages Feed improvements, and other software requests. The NPP community is hoping for a good turnout in support of the requests to Santa for the tools we need. This is very important as we have been asking the Foundation for these upgrades for 4 years.
If this proposal does not make it into the top ten, it is likely that the tools will be given no support at all for the foreseeable future. So please put in a vote today.
We are counting on significant support not only from our own ranks, but from everyone who is concerned with maintaining a Wikipedia that is free of vandalism, promotion, flagrant financial exploitation and other pollution.
With all 650 reviewers voting for these urgently needed improvements, our requests would be unlikely to fail. See also The Signpost Special report: 'NPP: This could be heaven or this could be hell for new users – and for the reviewers', and if you are not sure what the wish list is all about, take a sneak peek at an article in this month's upcoming issue of The Signpost which unfortunately due to staff holidays and an impending US holiday will probably not be published until after voting has closed.

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NPR Newsletter No.16 15 December 2018[edit]

Hello Moe Epsilon,

Reviewer of the Year
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This year's award for the Reviewer of the Year goes to Onel5969. Around on Wikipedia since 2011, their staggering number of 26,554 reviews over the past twelve months makes them, together with an additional total of 275,285 edits, one of Wikipedia's most prolific users.

Thanks are also extended for their work to JTtheOG (15,059 reviews), Boleyn (12,760 reviews), Cwmhiraeth (9,001 reviews), Semmendinger (8,440 reviews), PRehse (8,092 reviews), Arthistorian1977 (5,306 reviews), Abishe (4,153 reviews), Barkeep49 (4,016 reviews), and Elmidae (3,615 reviews).
Cwmhiraeth, Semmendinger, Barkeep49, and Elmidae have been New Page Reviewers for less than a year — Barkeep49 for only seven months, while Boleyn, with an edit count of 250,000 since she joined Wikipedia in 2008, has been a bastion of New Page Patrol for many years.

See also the list of top 100 reviewers.

Less good news, and an appeal for some help

The backlog is now approaching 5,000, and still rising. There are around 640 holders of the NPR flag, most of whom appear to be inactive. The 10% of the reviewers who do 90% of the work could do with some support especially as some of them are now taking a well deserved break.


Really good news - NPR wins the Community Wishlist Survey 2019

At #1 position, the Community Wishlist poll closed on 3 December with a resounding success for NPP, reminding the WMF and the volunteer communities just how critical NPP is to maintaining a clean encyclopedia and the need for improved tools to do it. A big 'thank you' to everyone who supported the NPP proposals. See the results.


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File:Youlovewhoyoulove.ogg[edit]

Hi Moe Epsilon, It looks like the file version you uploaded for File:Youlovewhoyoulove.ogg is corrupted, I'm not able to get it to play on multiple players. Do you have a working version? I didn't want to revert to the long version that was originally uploaded (FU issues), so wanted to ask you before just outright deleting. Thank you, — xaosflux Talk 16:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Xaosflux:. I'm not sure what your issue appears to be with the file. I can play it straight from the file page with no issue. Although, since the last time I've ever played it, there does appear to be some kind of crackling noise at the beginning of the track. I can re-create the file and upload it again and see if you can hear it, but I would try other .ogg files and see if you are able to play those as well just in case. — Moe Epsilon 20:02, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
I was able to get it to play with one player, perhaps whatever is causing the cracking noise is also causing the transcoder fail on this file (which is how I ran across it). — xaosflux Talk 20:31, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Xaosflux: I went through my external hard drive to find the backup of the original file and for some reason it too makes the cracking noise, so either we can undelete the previous version prior to me changing it, or I can record a new version of the audio and upload over the current. — Moe Epsilon 18:38, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for the follow up, I don't think there is a rush - but if you have the chance to remaster the sample it should be a net positive for readers (listeners :D ). Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 18:45, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Xaosflux: I uploaded a new version of the audio sample and played in on another browser and it worked perfectly. When I tried on my normal browser it didn't seem to work but I think that has something to do with the cache. Would you see if the new file works good for you? It doesn't appear there is a transcoding error anymore. — Moe Epsilon 23:34, 27 December 2018 (UTC)
Plays and the MW transcode now is reporting: completed 2018-12-27T22:19:03. Thanks, — xaosflux Talk 01:30, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
No problem! :) — Moe Epsilon 01:33, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

fair use of album cover images[edit]

I was trying to explain to a fairly new user why he couldn't put File:Albert Flasher.png on the The Guess Who article, and could only be used on the article about the actual recording. I was going to point out to him that that there were no album cover images on the article on the article on The Beatles, when I saw that File:Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band.jpg was on the page (as well as the Paul McCartney article) and you reviewed the use of it on The Beatles article on 11 May 2011. Can you explain to me how that situation differs with the TGW/AF situation? Thanks --rogerd (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

@Rogerd: There is one major difference I suppose. The article on The Guess Who is being used to show what they looked like "during their hippie years" as the user said in his edit summary. Non-free images can't be used in this manner. For an album cover, there needs to be significant content or "critical commentary", about the album and album cover to warrant its inclusion in the article. The Sgt. Pepper album article, the article about the various people on the cover and the main Beatles article extensively cover the contents of the Sgt. Pepper album cover and the album itself, with the album cover being positioned next to the critical commentary to merit it's inclusion. I didn't review it's inclusion on the Paul McCartney article and that doesn't appear to have any reason for its inclusion and I'll be removing that. — Moe Epsilon 21:42, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I appreciate it. Some of the nuances of the fair use rules are sometime lost on me. --rogerd (talk) 03:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I posted a reply to the original user on User talk:Tarcil#The Guess Who image. I think I restated what you said accurately. If I didn't, please correct me. Thanks again. --rogerd (talk) 20:06, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
I read what you wrote and that should be helpful to their understanding. A relevant link to policy you can include when discussing it can be WP:NFCC#policy criteria #8 "Contextual significance: Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." In the case of The Guess Who article, as well as the Paul McCartney article, reader's understanding of the topic is not enhanced by a non-free image of the album cover. — Moe Epsilon 20:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.17[edit]

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Hello Moe Epsilon,

News
Discussions of interest
  • Two elements of CSD G6 have been split into their own criteria: R4 for redirects in the "File:" namespace with the same name as a file or redirect at Wikimedia Commons (Discussion), and G14 for disambiguation pages which disambiguate zero pages, or have "(disambiguation)" in the title but disambiguate a single page (Discussion).
  • {{db-blankdraft}} was merged into G13 (Discussion)
  • A discussion recently closed with no consensus on whether to create a subject-specific notability guideline for theatrical plays.
  • There is an ongoing discussion on a proposal to create subject-specific notability guidelines for chemicals and organism taxa.
Reminders
  • NPR is not a binary keep / delete process. In many cases a redirect may be appropriate. The deletion policy and its associated guideline clearly emphasise that not all unsuitable articles must be deleted. Redirects are not contentious. See a classic example of the templates to use. More templates are listed at the R template index. Reviewers who are not aware, do please take this into consideration before PROD, CSD, and especially AfD because not even all admins are aware of such policies, and many NAC do not have a full knowledge of them.
NPP Tools Report
  • Superlinks – allows you to check an article's history, logs, talk page, NPP flowchart (on unpatrolled pages) and more without navigating away from the article itself.
  • copyvio-check – automatically checks the copyvio percentage of new pages in the background and displays this info with a link to the report in the 'info' panel of the Page curation toolbar.
  • The NPP flowchart now has clickable hyperlinks.

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NPR Newsletter No.18[edit]

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Hello Moe Epsilon,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

  • Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
  • Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.
Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

Backlog drive coming soon

Look for information on the an upcoming backlog drive in our next newsletter. If you'd like to help plan this drive, join in the discussion on the New Page Patrol talk page.

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Dean Ambrose[edit]

I suggest you step away from the Dean Ambrose/Jon Moxley talk page. You've been going back and forth with Wicka wicka and parts are uncivil with certain language being used that is acceptable on Wikipedia. If an admin needs to be brought in to resolve your dispute with Wicka wicka, so be it. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 03:40, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

Saying the word "fuck" isn't uncivil, I don't care what you say. I was suggesting he calm down and actually reply to what I'm saying instead of spamming lines of text at me. If you don't like it, the don't let the exit hit you on the way out. — Moe Epsilon 07:32, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
It has now been taken Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. You want to look at it and decide if you want to add anything. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it! 15:13, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

WJBscribe Arb case request[edit]

Thank you for your excellent statement in this case request. However I think you might be missing a word of negation in your final paragraph, specifically in the sentence "If you want the Foundation to continue to side-step ArbCom, then all of you need to follow the policies as written and act accordingly (and yes, I mean civility as well)." - I think it should start "Unless you want..." or "If you don't want...". Thryduulf (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Thank you Thryduulf, you're right. Sometimes I'm not the best in wording things the way I intend, but I think most people get the way I speak by now :p I'll be changing it regardless. — Moe Epsilon 22:40, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Don't worry, we all make mistakes like this! Thryduulf (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Just came to leave thanks for that clear statement too. – SJ + 17:20, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Not a problem, Sj. I know I am in the minority, but I feel like it should have been said at least. — Moe Epsilon 19:03, 15 June 2019 (UTC)