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Wikipedia:Peer review/Veerapandiya Kattabomman (film)/archive1[edit]

Hello, Moisejp and Happy New Year to you. I plan to take this to FA. Do let me know if you wish to leave comments at the PR page by pinging me. Thanks.  — Ssven2 Looking at you, kid 10:29, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

Precious four years![edit]

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Four years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:45, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

Louis Leblanc FAC[edit]

Hello, as you previously commented on the article when I had it up at FAC, and was unable to resolve your concerns, I want to say that I just re-nominated it and feel I have addressed everything. If you have any more comments or suggestions, I'd definitely appreciate it. Kaiser matias (talk) 03:41, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Kaiser matias, sure I'll fit in some time to look at it soon. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 16:56, 8 April 2017 (UTC)


As a matter of courtesy, I thought that I should let you know that I'm not planning to run Title tk this month. The Ray Charles song has a more significant 50th anniversary, and we don't run two music articles in the same month. You could move your nom to unspecified date, or just wait to next year, sorry Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:39, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

  • No worries, Jimfbleak. I was pretty much expecting that but thought I'd try just in case. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 14:32, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Peter Dinklage/archive1[edit]

I have nominated the Peter Dinklage article for FA status and i'm wondering, if you have time, could you have a look? - AffeL (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

  • OK, I'll do it. Moisejp (talk) 14:12, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

Watching the River Flow[edit]

Hi Moisejp; there is a bit of coincidence here; we both commented on the same FAC recently, but I didnt follow your edits from there, rather am somewhat of a pretty serious Dylan fan, there is no other way to put it, and the song just clocked around on my heavy rotation i tunes list. Often I edit what I hear. However, I was really impressed with what I found on wiki. Ceoil (talk) 07:10, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Ceoil. That's funny, I'd assumed you must have followed my edits to get there. "Watching the River Flow" is an article Mick gold and I worked on in 2012, and yes very coincidentally, I got the idea recently to try to clean it up, and finally got time to start just a day or two ago. It's a short article, and I don't know if it has FA potential, but I was planning to clean it up as much as I can, maybe add to it just a little bit (and possibly see if Mick gold had any more content to add—sorry, Mick, I was actually going to contact you a little later after I had finished my basic clean-up of the references and such), and see what state it's in. Moisejp (talk) 15:00, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Hi Ceoil and Moisejp, Glad you're cleaning up the River. If I can think of anything to add, I'll try to contribute. I seem to remember that when we worked on this in 2012, it was quite hard to build up the content, perhaps appropriate for an an article about an artist who "doesn't have much to say". Mick gold (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
      • Moisejp, myself and Mick go back, and I have long admired yer work on Dylan. The article is in safe hands. Ceoil (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Mick gold, I'm going to add a footnote to the sentence about Dylan not wanting to work anymore with Johnston, to briefly give information about why not (it's there in Sounes on page 260 in my edition). But I think we need to also mention Al Kooper somewhere in there. As you know, Kooper took over duties as producer during New Morning (Sounes, p. 261). Our current narrative ignores this and makes it sound like Dylan went directly from Johnston to Russell. We need to perhaps try to acknowledge Kooper's role briefly without disrupting from the apparently true description that Dylan was tired of Johnston and also looked for a new sound through Russell. I'm also concerned with our statement that Russell was the first non-Columbia producer (was Kooper a Columbia producer?); what the source (Revolution in the Air, p. 507) actually says is that it was his first time to book time in a non-CBS studio. I'll have a whack at fixing all that up, but if you happen to have inspiration and want to, please do (if not, no worries).

  • Actually, we didn't use Revolution in the Air for the statement about first non-Columbia producer, we used The Recording Sessions, which says vaguely says "working outside of Columbia for the very first time". Regardless, I still think we need to clarify our statement to mean first non-Columbia/CBS studio. Moisejp (talk) 22:09, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I also noticed there is lots of potential to talk more about "Spanish Is The Loving Tongue"—we'll have to find just the right amount of info to add, without going overboard. As you know, since 2012 Dylan has released two more versions of the songs, with now four versions officially released. I've added some new Bjorner refs about those sessions. Also it could be interesting to mention (if it's not too much) that he has performed the song one time, in 1976—I've added a ref for it. Also, in Million Dollar Bash Sid Griffin discusses a bit about the background of the song and briefly compares some of Dylan's versions, which could possibly be worthwhile to incorporate. Again, don't want to go overboard, but the potential to add some stuff is there, and we certainly can no longer leave the article with just mentioning the Dylan version. I'm happy to work on this as well, but if you happen to be inspired, by all means. Thanks. Moisejp (talk) 22:01, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
In the Critical comments section, between the two Shelton sentences, I think it would be nice to add another sentence that spells out clearly how he had been political in the early 1960s but moved away from that, to the chagrin of some of his fans. I'm trying to look too, but Mick if any of your sources spring to mind to explain this succinctly, that would be great. Moisejp (talk) 05:32, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

    • I've added a small bit from Shelton who writes there had been "pressure on him (Dylan) to resume writing protest music". And I've edited the cite. Hope that helps. I see what you mean about Johnston and Kooper in Sounes, p.261. Heylin also writes about this in Behind The Shades: The 20th Anniversary Edition, pp.319-321. He writes "Though BJ continued to be credited with production duties, he was apparently absent from the last couple of sessions and it was BD and his old stalwart AK who began to put an album together." Heylin writes "With the reviewers not sharing the Self Portrait joke, song selection and mixing became a tortuous affair. AK, co-producer in everything but name, was driven to distraction by his constant vacillating." (You ask was AK a Columbia producer? Maybe CH phrase "co-producer in everything but name" is the answer.) Heylin then has AK quote: "When I finished that album I never wanted to speak to him again. He just changed his mind every three seconds so I just ended up doing the work of three albums." Good luck with adding SITLT material. I think the previously unreleased version on Another Self Portrait, Disc 1 Track 5, is my fave. I'm off to France tomorrow for a week's vacation (without Dylan books) so I can't contribute until I get back. Best Mick gold (talk) 13:24, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Thanks so much for your help, Mick. Have a wonderful holiday in France! Moisejp (talk) 13:36, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi again, Mick. Can I ask you, what do you think of the current state of the article—in your opinion, might it be approaching FA level? When it comes time to nominate, would you be interested in co-nominating? Another option could be to start by getting it peer reviewed. I found a few new sources that may (or may not) be useful: [1] for the Writing and recording section, and these two [2] and [3] have some interesting ideas that maybe could be used to supplement Shelton in the Critical commentary section. I also am looking at maybe trying to find a few more details appropriate to add to the lead—it feels just a little short. I wanted to mention that in the Critical commentary section, you may have noticed I changed some of your present tenses to past tenses for what the critics said. I actually prefer the present tense, but in my FAC for Title TK, I had a couple of people object to the present, and I eventually gave up trying to fight it. By the way, I'm going to see Dylan later this month here in Vancouver. Best, Moisejp (talk) 13:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)
Well done on taking the article forwards. I just got back and had a look and I've made some copy edits in an attempt to improve clarity. If you think going to peer review will help to raise issues that need to be addressed in an FAC process, then please go ahead. I saw Dylan play at Wembley on 9 May. He and the band had some great moments. [4] I think I'm less keen on the Sinatra material than some of my friends. Triplicate is the first Dylan album I have not rushed out to buy for many decades. Mick gold (talk) 17:45, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Mick. I enjoyed reading your review of the Dylan show. I think I've reviewed once before on Boblinks, several years ago. I don't have Triplicate yet either. I actually have only recently got his last two Sinatra-material albums, but because the CD player on my computer has died, I haven't gotten them into my iTunes yet, which is how I do most of my music listening these days. I'll have to listen to them in the car or on my kids' CD player sometime.
In the coming days I'm going to try to add some content from at least the first two, and possibly all three, of the links I mentioned above. They contain interesting details, and on paper seem to have good potential, but whether or not I'll be able to skillfully incorporate the details into the existing narrative is another question. If you could keep an eye on my edits and improve on them if necessary, that would be appreciated. After this batch of content is added, I think I probably will go ahead and take the article to peer review, to see what feedback comes up. Cheers. Moisejp (talk) 04:18, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Howdy Mick. Just a mini-idea: I was hoping to add something from Spitz about the sound of the song, because he has some good descriptions, but I would really like to paraphrase rather than direct-quote, because I feel the article is maxed out on direct quotes (as I suggested in a recent edit summary). If any good paraphrases for Spitz jump out at you, could you add it to the article? I'm thinking about it too, but so far haven't got any brilliant ideas. Another option is if we can paraphrase a few bits of existing content in the article, maybe there'd be room for a direct quote from Spitz. Thanks for giving it thought! Moisejp (talk) 23:37, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Moisejp, Are you talking about material in Spitz describing the sound of WTRF that is not yet in the article? Unfortunately I don't own a copy of Spitz. I just looked in Ian Bell's 2 volume biography of Dylan and he doesn't even mention the song. Best Mick gold (talk) 16:56, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Hi Mick. There's a link to the page in Google Books in the references. I think it'll be clear what I mean if you see the page. There are lots of details on it about the sound of the song, Dylan's singing style, etc. Moisejp (talk) 17:07, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Ok, I see what you mean and I've had a go. Feel free to improve or delete this addition. Mick gold (talk) 17:43, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ceoil and Mick. I saw Dylan in concert two nights ago. It was a good show. Some highlights for me were the performances of "Summer Days" and "Duquesne Whistle" and they did a version of "Desolation Row" with a kind of twangly guitar motif that quite catchy and fun. Ceoil, thanks again for your copy-edits to "Watching the River Flow" a while back. Since then we have added and moved around some content, and the article is in peer review. If you happen to have any further suggestions or copy-edits to make, they would be very much appreciated. Mick, I am going to be away from the computer for the next two days but will be back on the weekend. Cheers, Moisejp (talk) 13:42, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Hi Mick. I'm going to be away several days, but was thinking of nominating for FAC when I get back, about August 22 or 23. Let me know if that timing isn't good for you, I'm flexible. Also, the last couple of days I went through the article line by line to check all info a final time against the sources, to make sure (1) all stated info is in the sources; (2) all direct quotations are correct; and (3) no paraphrases are too close to the wording of the source. The only thing is I don't have access to Gray or to the 2003 edition of Shelton (which seems to have additional info not in my 1986 edition)—if you happen to have time, would you be able to have a glance at the relevant passages in the article against these? Cheers! Moisejp (talk) 19:57, 13 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi Moisejp, I'm run over by work right now and would not be able to join in FAC nomination. I think things will be bad until November. I would not mind at all if you want to go ahead and nominate WTRF for FAC, since you are the author of virtually all the improvements in recent months. I've tried to look at Shelton and Gray. Gray just confirms LR played bass on the "George Jackson" single. The Shelton material looks OK to me. Shelton's comments all come from his Chapter Twelve, "Running Free", which contains a sub-section "Watching The River", pp 414-417 of my 1986 hardback edition. This section deals with how Dylan fans berated BD for abandoning political commitment in the early 1970s. Shelton comments on "George Jackson", WTRF, the benefit for Chilean refugees on May 9, 1974, and "Hurricane". I think the text of this section is identical in the revised and updated 2011 edition of Shelton's book. The additions to the 2011 edition are primarily in the opening and closing sections, and Chapters One, Four and Ten. I think the 2003 edition is just a reprint of the 1986 original but I don't have a copy. The 2 copies I have of Shelton are the 1986 original hardback, published by New English Library in UK, by Beech Tree Books, William Morrow and Company, in US. And the 2011 "revised and updated edition", edited by Elizabeth Thomson and Patrick Humphries, published by Omnibus Press. Best, Mick gold (talk) 17:17, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

FAC reviewing barnstar[edit]

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FAC can't function without people like you contributing reviews. Thank you for the eighteen FAC reviews, one image review, and three source reviews you did during June. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 18:56, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Mike Christie! Moisejp (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)