User talk:Mom2jandk

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Hello Mom2jandk, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please continue to sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. You can also create your own user page, which is the page that others see when they follow the link in your signature. Your user page is User:Mom2jandk.

Thanks for your interest in WikiProject Numismatics. There's a list of pending tasks on the front page if you're looking for something to do. We also have an IRC channel that can be accessed from the front page. Also, you can add a template to your user page to indicate your membership. Just type {{subst:NumismaticWikiProject-Member}}, which will create a box like this:

50px This user is a member of the Numismatics WikiProject, a WikiProject which aims to expand coverage of numismatics on Wikipedia. Please feel free to join.

If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!  --TantalumTelluride 00:47, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I don't know if I'm supposed to reply here or on your talk page. You've given me a lot of great links to follow. I'll probably spend a little while reading before I write again. Thanks. Mom2jandk 04:34, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter where you reply. I personally like to keep conversations together, but many other Wikipedians always reply on the recipient's talk page. By the way, don't let all those links intimidate you. Most of them are just part of the welcome template. As long as you familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, respect other users, and use common sense, you'll be fine. If you do something wrong, someone else will likely fix it and kindly let you know how to handle similar situations in the future. Wikipedians are generally very friendly to newly registered users. I'll try to keep an eye on this page; but if I don't respond to any further questions, just bring them to my attention on my talk page. (I really need to fix those instructions at the top of my talk page; they're probably pretty scary to new users. I'm sorry for any confusion or inconvenience they caused.) --TantalumTelluride 05:10, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Unnecessary deletion of United States commemorative coins category[edit]

Hi, I invite you to vote against the unnecessary deletion of the United States commemorative coins category

--Kurthalomieu J. McCool 04:59, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Copyright Info[edit]

I've responded to your message on my talk page. --TantalumTelluride 20:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Yugoslav dinar[edit]

Good work on linking Montenegrin perper! Never heard of that one, and I was born in SFR Yugoslavia :-) How did you find that one? Second... hm, you changed "dinars" to "dinara" on several places. Now, that's wrong. "Dinara" is plural in Serbo-croatian, and "dinars" is plural in English. We use English here. Therefore, I will now revert "dinara" to "dinars". Then... ah, yes, Montenegro started using Mark in 1999, not in 2000... And, should we clearly state that dinar was used together with mark/euro til 2001? --Dijxtra 09:37, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Dijxtra, Although the word 'Dinara' is Serbian, it is also commonly used in English. The plural of Perper (as in the Montenegrin currency) is Perpera, as the Montenegrins also speak Serbian as well. - (Aidan Work 04:18, 20 December 2005 (UTC))

New category[edit]

Hello hello and welcome to the wacky and wonderful world of WP. I saw a category you created (it's great to see a new user creating categories, btw.) The category might be somewhat redundant, since it is basically a clone of U.S. Mint engravers. However, if articles on currency designers other than engravers can be found, it might be quite useful, so if you find any be sure to include them. Also, the engravers category should be contained within the designers category, since all mint engravers are currency designers.

Anyway, let me know if you have any questions - I'm a somewhat experienced Wikipedian but I'm new to the numismatics program, and I look forward to working with everyone. Paul 22:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


Working Man's Barnstar.png An Award
I, Joe I,award this award for all the work you've done for WikiProject Numismatics

Since day one you signed up, you've managed to create a stir, and implement policy in nameing conventions, categories, info tables and more. Keep it up. :)

Joe I 02:54, 8 December 2005 (UTC)


Hello. Generally almost all categories seem good, but in the case of the mints it is consensus to name things such as this in "Something in Somewhere" way. It will be probably renamed as per WP:CFR. - Darwinek 18:18, 11 December 2005 (UTC)


Aloha, and thanks for your message. Unfortunately, I've done it all by hand. It really should be automated, especially for updates (such as adding the template to new pages, and deletions) but other than writing a bot and/or making a bot request I don't see any other way to do it, since you can't show relatedchangeslinked for whatlinkshere. Maybe you can, but the software doesn't support it on the user end. If you could, then our problem would be solved. --Viriditas 00:57, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


Dear sir:

I greatly admire your zeal for Wikipedia and as a fellow numismatist, I appreciate your contributions.

Please do not take the following as an attack on yourself or on your contributions.

Most of the changes to the categorization scheme regarding the United States Mint you have made should be immediately reverted. I created that category for articles relating to the United States Mint, a U.S. government agency currently part of the Treasury Department. From the looks of it, you may have been somewhat confused about a) how Wikipedia categories work and b) how the Mint is structured.

Category:United States Mint has been replaced with Category:United States mints, a change that I am going to revert. Yes, there are many facilities in the United States that operate or have operated as a mint, however there is one agency known as the United States Mint, and articles concerning it should be in a subcategory by that name under cat:US Treasury Department. A category concerning the various mints of the United States should exist under Category:United States Mint. It appears as if you had this in mind, which is certainly a good addition to the categorization scheme. However, I will say it again for clarification: all U.S. government mints - Philadelphia, Denver, Carson City, Dahlonega, whatever - should ultimately be under the category:United States Mint, as that is the government agency that they are a part of.

Furthermore, your currency designers category is mostly redundant with US Mint engravers. It is possible that there are other persons who are currency designers who were not mint engravers, so if this is the case, be sure to add their articles to your new category.

Please do not take this as an attack. You are obviously an intelligent person with much to offer Wikipedia and its numismatics articles. Some of your changes should be undone, but I am certain you have made and will make many others that are/will be beneficial.

Please leave me a message when you read this. Thank you and have a fine day - Paul 05:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)


I hereby award mom2jandk this resilience barnstar for her civil interactions with PaulHanson concerning the categorization of numismatics-related articles. --TantalumTelluride 15:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC) (KC)

Thanks for assuming good faith and working with Paul to reach consensus. I hope to see you continuing to contribute to WikiProject Numismatics in the future. --TantalumTelluride 15:50, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Categories and stuff[edit]

Firstly, let me apologize for not giving you feedback sooner. Secondly, let me say that I've met many numismatists in my life, and maybe .01% of them are female. It's great to meet another (we don't want to be stereotyped, as a group, as being old men with large beards, which is the case for most numismatists that I know!)

I will gladly clarify anything you are uncertain about concerning U.S. coinage. (Where do you live, by the way? My guess is Britain or Canada.) Here's a few basic things:

  • The U.S. mint does indeed have many branches, although a category for branch mints wasn't created because I wasn't sure if there would be enough entries to warrant such a category. The problem here is that there are four mints that are today operating, and a handful more that operated in the past, so having them all in a category might be confusing. Anyways, we can work on that.
  • Regarding officers/directors/engravers, here's my take:
    • Directors of the Mint are probably the only notable officials within the mint, so that would probably be the only necessary category.
    • Engravers might technically be "officials" or "officers" but they are never referred to as such so that might be confusing. Having a category for directors and one for engravers would probably be sufficient to catch virtually all Mint-related biographical articles; the occasional straggler can just be placed in Category:United States Mint (such as that guy who was a superintendent). If more articles on superintendents or other officials begin appearing (which I doubt, but it is possible) then a subcategory of United States Mint officials (rather than officers) might be useful for that.
    • Regarding other mints in the U.S., they do indeed exist, but as I mentioned, they are not part of the U.S. Mint. Examples would be the Franklin or Bradford mints; these are certainly notable but should be in a category such as Private mints, etc., rather than commingled with the U.S. Mint.

Your category suggestions are mostly excellent. I'll point out a few things I would change:

  • Category:Currency forgery should stay the same, because both paper and metal currencies can be forged.
  • The Mint categories, obviously.

Otherwise you presented some solid ideas. Keep me appraised of your progress.

Keep in touch and have a good one. Feel free to write anytime. Paul 18:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Regarding what I said about currency forgery...sorry for being unclear, actually I don't remember exactly what I was trying to say, although the point of it was that since both paper money and coins are counterfeited, the categorization scheme should include both.

Regarding your interests - it sounds like ours are very similar. Paul 20:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Numismatics Project archive talk page[edit]

From my talk page:

I was wondering if you'd archive the Numismatics talk page when you get a chance. You mentioned before that it's easy, and I think the length is way out of hand (I know I have trouble finding stuff). I'll be happy to help figure out which sections are currently active and create new topics or however that should be handled. If this is something I could do as a non-admin, please tell me how. Thanks Ingrid 20:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Done. I've posted the archive at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Archive 1. I went and archived anything that hasn't been discussed this month, but if I left behind something inactive, please let me know. Thanks! Titoxd(?!? - did you read this?) 20:30, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Currency designers[edit]

Your category will probably be useful in this situation because of the artists who the Mint has taken on to design the newer coins (nickel and dollar especially). So, categorize articles at your discretion (make sure of course that categories don't become redundant and that they are properly subcategorized - i.e. anything to do with the U.S. Mint comes under Category:United States Mint, et cetera.

I have some potentially exciting news (I don't know if anyone other than me is excited by this) I saw a series 2003 $2 FRN...I had no idea that they made any of them since the 1995 series. Just wanted to pass the news along - if most of WP:Numismatics hasn't heard yet then tell them too.... Best and have a good weekend, Paul 06:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Hawaii recent changes[edit]

Bravo. Is there any way we can port your code to a bot, and run it weekly for the WikiProjects? --Viriditas 05:07, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Conditional template[edit]


I have a question about conditional template. I'd like to make and entire row optional based on the existance of a variable. So I have

| '''[[ISO 4217|ISO 4217 Code]]'''

But then, of course, it wouldn't work, because the bar is ambiguous in this case. Do you know of any way to solve this problem? Thanks. --Chochopk 06:37, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

succession box page move[edit]

I, Chochopk award this Barnstar to Ingrid for his detailed, extensively researched, and attractive work on numismatics succession boxes.

It is absolutely not a bad thing to do. It's getting to clumsy by the day. I've been meaning to do that too. I also see that you've been doing some reorganization. Therefore the barnstar!

I did some work on the articles of the 3 Taiwanese currencies. I hope you will like it. I've been frustrated by the amount of factual errors on wikipedia. I'll probably engage some discussion with User:Dove1950 on the Korean and Mozambican currencies.

I also intend to do infobox, banknote/coin table, and images. What a big project =) --Chochopk 01:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


Regarding the cfd discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_15#Numismatics_recategorization, can you please spell out exactly what you need renamed or deleted? You can do so at Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Categories if you wish. Let me know when that is done and I'll take care of it. Thanks. --Kbdank71 17:29, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

(Replying here since your talk page says you reply there -- I assume you've got this watched). I've put a section on the categories page listing what needs to be moved. Ingrid 00:59, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Ethiopian birr[edit]

Hi, thanks a million for sharing that pic! I can read the Ethiopian writing, and in Amharic (the Official Language of Etopia) it clearly says "Two Birr" right next to the translation, Deux Thalers... So "Birr" is the correct word for that currency in Amharic. ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 02:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The Birr page looks good now... but, it seems a little strange to make a distinction between Abyssinia and Ethiopia, as if they were two different entities. The native name was ityoppya (Ethiopia) long before 1931; in that year, the Emperor formally requested the international community to begin using Ethiopia instead of Abyssinia, much as the Shah, around the same time, requested the use of "Iran" instead of "Persia" for his country (and it was also around this time that Siam became Thailand, I believe...) Anyway, it might make more sense for one box reading "Abyssinia / Ethiopia" in place of the two separate boxes...? ፈቃደ (ውይይት) 21:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

British currencies[edit]

Thanks for the message. As soon as I noticed that the currencies of the Crown Dependencies had been moved into a UK cat:, I moved them out - as the Crown Dependencies are attached to the British Crown not the UK, they are British but not part of the UK. The UK overseas territories I left, as although they are not part of the UK they are under UK sovereignty, but their currencies might be argued to be of the United Kingdom. British is often a handy global designation that covers lots of territories - the UK is specifically only England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. -of Britain, as you envisage, would run up against problem of excluding, on the face of it, Northern Ireland. British Islands would cover the UK and the Crown Dependencies, but not the overseas territories. It's a constitutional patchwork, I'm afraid (see British Isles (terminology), and if it is desired that all the currencies fall into one category, I can't think of anything better than British currencies. See Talk:British banknotes. Hope this helps! Man vyi 07:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


The reason I've continued using "Category:Historical currencies" is that "Modern Obselete" is not a well defined category. "Obselete" would be fine, but where do you draw the line between modern and ancient?
Dove1950 21:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I'm dimly aware of a 1500 division in numismatics between "Medieval" and "Modern" but it's pretty obscure and I'm not convinced it is appropriate for a non-specialist encyclopedia. I'll start using the templates but I'll check that this definition is clear within the template.
Dove1950 13:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Liechtenstein currency[edit]


I added 2 stubs for Liechtenstein. Liechtenstein krone and Liechtenstein frank. I also tried to comply with the recat project. If you have time please review them. Thanks. --Chochopk 08:59, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I see that you are busy with recategorizing currencies. I am doing something on my own too. I'm trying to unify the tables of banknote details. I'm also adding stubs in preparation for the succession box (although I hate editing text). I would like to ease your tasks by doing what you do on the new stubs that I create. Could you tell me what I need to do to accomplish that? Thanks --Chochopk 09:51, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
regarding banknote table, I'm thinking about this
  • use named parameters for the header row, so that the columns are in some kind of order (e.g. denom always before dimension, dimension always before front), and all columns are optional
  • I am not sure if I should use numeric parameter or named parameter for a regular row. cons and pros: (but either way, the width of the thumbnail (if any) can be standardized)
    • numeric parameter: users don't need to specify things like denom = $1 | color = green | front = Washington ..., they can be shortened to $1 | green | Washington, etc
    • named parameter: if the ordering of the header row changes, all we need to do is to change the ordering of the template of the detail row
  • What about rowspan? Sometimes we need a rowspan. See New Taiwan dollar
--Chochopk 02:15, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Austro-Hungarian Gulden Succession Box[edit]

Just thought I'd better point out that the gulden cannot be considered the currency of the Holy Roman Empire. Officially, there were three currency zones within the empire, the south used the gulden, the north the Reichsthaler and Hamburg the mark. Of course, it was more complicated than that with local rulers sometimes doing their own thing, but it might be used as a guide. I'm planning to have a real bash at cataloguing the currencies of the individual German states soon. Then things might get a bit clearer for succession boxes (although that's probably wishful thinking). Oh, and thanks for signing my comment and getting my gender correct.
Dove1950 20:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

the bot did a bad thing[edit]

Check this out: [1]. Note that the bot added the already existing template. --Dijxtra 16:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


Hi, have you thought about adding Category:WikiProject Numismatics to Template:Numismaticnotice? —Viriditas | Talk 12:08, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


So, how's the bot going? Good I hope, cause it's a great acomplishment for such a tedious task.  :)

I award this Technology Barnstar to Ingrid for the development and implemtation of WatchlistBot. Joe I 20:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Dean of the Thistle[edit]

Why did your bot add "Exonumianotice" to the talk page for Dean of the Thistle?--George Burgess 08:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Order of the Iron Crown[edit]

I'm afraid your WatchListBot erroneously added this to the Numistmatist Project list. The iron crown in reference to this article is not a currency but rather a piece of regalia. Keep up the good work,. Elijahmeeks 01:14, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Infobox Currency[edit]

This message is repeated on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics. Sorry for spamming, but I felt this could be interesting to you.

I have finished drafting Template:Infobox Currency, and you can look at its discussion page for instruction, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Sandbox for sample outputs. It is much better than Template:Currency box. Any comment is appreciated.

--Chochopk 09:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


Hey, hope everything's well. When you get time, would you be able to run your bot thru Category:Texas and tag em with {{WikiProject Texas}}. And make a link to the recent changes (like on Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics) on Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas. The help would be appreciated. Lemme know when ya start please. :) Joe I 14:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the orders and decorations are a headache I never really wanted to touch, but...I'll ask over at the military hist page, I'm sure there's one who can program. I can ask at Texas to, surely there's one there. But Thnx :) Joe I 21:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
OK, thnx for doing Texas :) I asked the history guys, they said the whole point was to not have a bot do it. To many oddballs that don't belong. I've never done any programming, but I am comfy with computers, if it's easy enough, I'm sure I could handle it. Thnx again :) Joe I 07:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure why, but your bot tagged Image talk:MississippiRiverBluffs.jpg for Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas--BaronLarf 20:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back![edit]


It's good to see you back! --Chochopk 06:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


testing Ingrid 01:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


Hey, I've been thinking of adding a 1.0 assesment page to project numismatics, to look much like this one. Unfortunatly there are other parameters to be meet within the talk page templetes. Will this mess with your bot, or the already establised articles and recent changes lists? Can I create the extra parameters within Template:Numismaticnotice, or do I need to start a new one? Joe I 23:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Numismatic Images[edit]

Hey, I was just wondering round wiki and found alot of images witout {{Numismaticnotice}}. Did you not send your bot thru Category:Currency images? If not that's cool, they could be done by hand cause of the assessment, now. I just paid attention to it cause of the wikiproject Texas tagging. Joe I 09:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, The obsolate forint banknotes are not my scans, I just chose the licence tag, cuz Ron Wise wrote on his site that the bill pics can be used for any non commercial purpose. Now I upload my collection - except for banknotes wich are too rare (i.e. missing from my collection) In the latter case I upload pics from auction sites.--Timur lenk 14:51, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I would be happy if you helped me with the copyright tags on Wikimedia Commons. Most of the banknote scans I upload is my own scan of banknotes from my own collection. The rest - mostly rare and thus very expensive banknotes missing from my collection - are from auction sites or sometimes from Ron Wise's world paper money page. There's no special currency licence tag in the wiki commons. Which one shall I use then? Thanks for your help. Timur lenk 16:17, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


See User talk:WatchlistBot. The Bot seems to be adding the "Texas" category to a bunch of Louisiana articles related to Hurricane Katrina. -- Infrogmation 22:43, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

The bot seems also to have added the WP Numismatics project banner to talk pgs for articles on Spanish provinces, autonomous communities and some cities as well - see for eg talk:Valencia (city), talk:Seville, talk:Lleida. I'm presuming this was not the intention, and so perhaps that project or the bot would need to re-examine these and remove the banner where necessary. Regards, --cjllw | TALK 23:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
I see, fair enough I suppose if that project is happy enough to include these. Thanks, --cjllw | TALK 00:20, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


Is there any chance the workflow for this bot might be able to be tweaked to be something like:

  1. a bot or human initially tags all categories for a given project with a specific template, akin to {{Numismaticnotice}}, but used only for categories.
  2. the bot provides a list of newly-created neighboring categories that humans might want to tag
  3. the final list-of-articles is generated from all the articles that are in any category tagged by the template

Specifically, I've been thinking about doing something like this for Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles for a while. This method might be a little more imprecise than the one used for Numismatics, but Automobiles has ~12k namespace-0 articles, so a little imprecision on the edges isn't so bad, if it lets the bot pick up new articles ASAP. (though I probably don't completely understand what your bot does) --Interiot 03:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

I have the list of categories pinned down already (510 of them), and I'll initially put down the template with AWB as soon as I know this will work. All I need is for a bot to find the (untagged) articles beneath those tagged categories, and keep a list updated with them. Is it very easy to make the bot do that?
It turns out the servers don't like having 12k links on one page (it actually refuses to save the wikitext), so I split some topics out to trim it down to 8000, and a prototype works great. I've had a very productive day, it's really a great idea. Does the bot work with any single template then? --Interiot 17:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Right, so I don't need it to do any tagging. Can it just 1) find the tagged categories, 2) find the untagged articles beneath each category (eg. it shouldn't look in subcategories), and 3) regularly dump those articles to a specific page? It sounded like you might have that functionality already? --Interiot 18:16, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The list should be uploaded to Wikipedia:WikiProject_Automobiles/Articles. The template to use.... try {{AutomobileWatch}} (I'll create that tommorow, it's late here). I could run it if you want, it doesn't matter much to me. Either way, I would think it's less important to run it supervised, since it's updating a single page that humans aren't supposed to edit? --Interiot 18:43, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
The method I'm suggesting is definitely a compromise. There are some categories that are >50% automobiles, but contain other things (eg. Category:Electric vehicles contains trams, trains, golf carts, etc). On the other hand, it picks up new articles relatively quickly, and if dealing with 8000 entries, there's going to be cruft articles anyway.
As for including articles or not... whatever's for you. I suppose it's conceptually consistent to union them in, but don't worry about it if it takes much time. Formatting doesn't matter either... whatever's easiest.
And thank you very much for spending time on this. I'm happy that a broad watchlist like this is possible. --Interiot 01:05, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
A random tip: This link will let you view a "related watchlist"... it's like "related changes", except it only shows the latest change, which is sometimes desirable.
Also, I'll put the automobile templates down soon, I just have to wait for an AWB bugfix first. --Interiot 19:21, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Oooh, very nice formatting. :) Looks awesome, thank you very much!

Hrm, how often will it run? I suppose it's probably not going to be good for tracking very new pages either way. --Interiot 14:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

On the latest pass, Watchlist bot put articles into subpages [2]. Would it be possible to not break them out (or to transclude them so that the relatedchanges still works on the top page)? If the issue is the number of articles, would it be possible to not include talk: pages? I'm fairly certain that all the links will fit on one page then (though watchlistbot is still trying to split it into two pages even before it gets to talk pages, which I believe MediaWiki shouldn't be forcing it to do). --Interiot 10:04, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Vitruvian Barnstar.png The da Vinci Barnstar
I award this barnstar to Ingrid for the work on WatchlistBot, and the benefit it provides to the automobile wikiproject. Interiot 21:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, looks great! --Interiot 21:28, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Succession box[edit]

I added the dotted line feature to the 3 middle column templates, and applied to the pengo boxes in the sandbox. Check it out. --Chochopk 07:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Watchlist bot[edit]

I checked Crom and removed {{}}. Is it cool if I put <!--WikiProject Texas--> so it's not shown on the talk page? Will the bot still not tag it? Joe I 07:30, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Automobiles pestering[edit]

Dear Ingrid,

You have been unfortunate enough to have posted on Interiot's talk page while it was on my watchlist, so that I got hold of such a wonderful and proficient codemistress!

We are discussing some ways for reorganizing work at our WikiProject to better keep track of the massive amount of articles within its scope and focus our efforts on those needing attention. I have been talking to Interiot about a script/bot that would be very helpful in that, but unfortunately it seems that Interiot will not be able to help with such advanced coding.

Basically, I am working User:Bravada/template on a template, similar to the one employed by WikiProject Trains (Template:WikiProject Trains) that would automatically categorize article as not only belonging to our WikiProject, but also to a specific Task Force within it, and also assign a category according to the article's quality rating and importance. I was wondering whether it would be possible to have a bot, based on from the code of you wonderful WatchlistBot, that would then generate lists of articles cross-checking more than one category - for example, all articles within a Task Force of a given importance level, with quality indicated by an icon. And perhaps even add a counter :D

If you believe it would be technically feasible, would there be any possibility of convincing you to devote some of your precious time to helping us develop such a bot? In case not, perhaps you could point to another user we could ask for help with this important issue?

Thanks very much for your reply, whatever it might be. Please bear with me.


Bravada, talk - 15:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Rosa sp.34.jpg A lot of roses
How else can you thank a beautiful woman?
I am inexplicably thankful for your reply so kind to my awfully boorish perstering. I am happy that there is a chance you might find time to help us with that, and I will surely continue pestering you when everything else is ready - as of now, you have given me hope this all can work (one day). I will also make sure I pester Oleg too :D
Bravada, talk - 16:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


Just a question. Is exonumianotice tracked by watchbot and have all the good stuff numismaticnotice has? What about Antarctican dollar? --Chochopk 03:08, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


Hi! Have you added template:money to commons? Could you add this licensing to one of the banknotes, so I could figure out how to use it... TaTimur lenk 09:14, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, then a template with "obsolate money with no copyrights reserved" would help. Most of the copyright of obsolate banknotes and coins (which used to be held by the issuing authority, not by the designer or manufacturer) are relesed. There are only a few (but well known) exceptions e.g. Bank of England, Turkey, Canada etc. If this (or something similar) doesn't work, tell me what license tag I should use in the future. Thanks Timur lenk 14:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

WatchlistBot request[edit]

Hi there. I'm looking to see if WatchlistBot could create a project watchlist for two separate projects and update them on a weekly basis. The two projects are Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisville and Wikipedia:WikiProject Kentucky, and the articles already catalogued for each project are in the categories Category:WikiProject Louisville and Category:WikiProject Kentucky, respectively. I imagine I would create a subpage for each project where this bot (on a weekly basis) would create a full list of links to articles listed in each of these categories. The reason it needs to be run weekly is because the number of articles included in the projects is still growing, and sometimes articles get dropped or moved. Please let me know if it will be possible to add these projects to the WatchlistBot. Cheers! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 02:08, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

By the way, I'm in no hurry with this need. Please respond in my talk if/when you can look at this. Thanks. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 14:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I responded to your response on my talk page. Hopefully, I clarified what I need for now. If not, please don't hestitate to ask any questions. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 03:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

New articles list[edit]

I don't know if this is ever something you might consider adding to WatchlistBot, but we're currently generating a list of new autombile articles from the list that WatchlistBot generates. (I'm currently just looking for the "N" in the relatedchanges).

Ultimately, WatchlistBot data can drive a number of things that are useful to WikiProjects (eg. list all articles up for deletion, list all articles tagged for merging, ...), but new articles is a good place to start. And maybe some of these things might be easier to do if the toolserver ever comes back online. --Interiot 09:31, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

As long as it's practical for you... Giving wikiprojects a "new articles" list may make wikiprojects anxious to have the bot run every 3-5 days. Also, in the case of automobiles, WatchlistBot doesn't tag new articles, so would the new articles list still work for Automobiles? (though I don't quite understand how it does its tagging.... might it be preferable for WatchlistBot to tag automobile articles?) --Interiot 03:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Articles[edit]

There's an issue with WatchlistBot's output near Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Articles#9 9... there's a number of links that end up not being wikilinked for some reason.

Anyway, thanks again for this... when we do manage to get the NewArticle data from WatchlistBot's output, the list is invaluable... it's like an NP patrol that we have 7 days to pore over. --Interiot 13:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Do you know already which articles are redirects? (and if you don't, how do you know how to pick them up? redirects aren't usually underneath automobile categories). If you know which ones aren't redirects (because people don't usually care about redirects when doing new-page patrol), then you just hook into the recentchanges some way (because the recentchanges table records whether there's a recent revision that's marked New). I don't know what framework you're using, I don't konw how to accomplish that directly (query.php doesn't seem to currently output the "New" flag).
As far as what article might be causing the issue on Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Articles... no, I'm not sure. The unwikified items appear to be the categories that are marked... eg. Category:1880s automobiles is one of the first automobile categories. --Interiot 21:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, for what it's worth, articles like 1990s have been on the list since the beginning, though I can't for the life of me find any of their parent categories that are or have been marked with {{AutomobileWatch}}. --Interiot 16:10, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
Aha, thanks for much for narrowing that down. --Interiot 21:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Another Watchlistbot request[edit]

Hello Ingrid,

Could your bot generate a watchlist of articles under Category:Cricket and its subcategories please. No template tagging, I'm just looking for a list that gets refreshed every few days or however often suits you. A good place to plonk the list would be Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Watchlist. The list would probably have in the order of 5000+ links. Is that likely to be a problem? Let me know on my talk if there's any more specifics you need.

Also a suggestion - I have no idea if its feasable or not - after each link in the watchlist, would it be possible to show the article size in bytes. That'd be really useful in identifying stubs and sub-stubs. -- I@n 15:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas State Highways request[edit]

Hello, I have a request for your Watchlistbot. I would like the this template {{Texas State Highway WikiProject}} added to all articles in the category Category:Roads in Texas. I have already tagged a majority of them, but this project is continually growing with new articles and it is tough to keep up with. The watchlist can be placed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas State Highways/Watchlist. Thanks. --Holderca1 18:20, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

I'll add it to my to do list Ingrid 22:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but there were some that were missed, did you use Category:Roads in Texas as the parent cat? --Holderca1 12:04, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I probably accidentally started with Category:Texas state highways, even though you were clear. I'll run it again soon. Ingrid 15:23, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

WatchlistBot - WikiProject Louisville change[edit]

Today, I did a move of {{LouisvilleWikiProject}} to {{WikiProject Louisville}}. The template will still place pages into the WikiProject Louisville category. If WatchlistBot pulls articles from the category, then it should work as normal. However, if WatchlistBot actually looks for the template on the talk page, then it should now look for either {{LouisvilleWikiProject}} or the new {{WikiProject Louisville}}. Hopefully this won't cause any snags. Continued big thanks for this bot! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 06:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem. I'll make the change soon. Ingrid 22:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

WatchlistBot still running?[edit]

It has been ten days since the bot has produced results for WikiProject Louisville or WikiProject Kentucky. Is the bot not running any longer? Please let us know so that we can search for alternatives if needed. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:33, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Or might it be possible to publish the code so others can run it when you're busy? --Interiot 17:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Just ran it again earlier today. I also just published the source (see User:WatchlistBot/source. Ingrid 22:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Cricket[edit]

Ingrid, have you had a chance to consider my request above for an Articles list for the Cricket project? I'm looking for a regularly updated list based on articles and categories tagged with {{WikiProject Cricket}}. Thanks in anticipation. — Moondyne 13:37, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

So sorry but I did miss that message - I don't know how I managed that :(. Yes, if you could tag all categories below category:Cricket with {{WikiProject Cricket}} (see below) and generate the list based on articles either tagged directly or in the tagged categories. Question: Does the list show articles, talk pages, or both? Preference would be articles only except when an article talk page is tagged directly. Does that question make sense? No rush BTW and thanks again. — Moondyne 01:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I created a new template {{CricketWatch}} for insertion into the categories. BTW, this will be a BIG list - possibly 5,000 articles. — Moondyne 01:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Whew! That's great - thankyou so much. The Minor Counties are the cricketing counties of England that are not afforded first class status and are as such a cricket specific grouping - they have their own championship and trophy. Looking forward to the all the cats being tagged in due course. (I changed Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Watchlist to a redirect BTW) — Moondyne 08:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Dallas[edit]

Hello! Great service you're running. I'd love to set up WikiProject Dallas to run much like WikiProject Louisville.. not sure how to set up articles on my end though. Thanks drumguy8800 C T 09:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry it's taken me so long to reply. I'm not around much these days. I've added it to my to do list, and will contact you when I get to it (I have no idea when that will be). Ingrid 01:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Hawaii[edit]

Thank you, Ingrid. Yes, I would love for you to tag the stub cats per the task I left on bot requests. That would be very helpful. I'm sorry I missed your message on the project page, as I would have responded in the affirmative. You are a real lifesaver. —Viriditas | Talk 23:47, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I just read your comment again, and I see your point about tagging more than just the stub cats. If you can also tag any untagged article within Category:Hawaii (including all subcats), that would be helpful, excluding any articles where the class parameter is already set of course. Can your bot also find cleanup, merge, unreferenced, and other types of tags, and set attention=yes accordingly? —Viriditas | Talk 01:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, attention=yes should be added to all tagged Hawaii articles appearing in many, if not most of Category:Wikipedia cleanup categories. I can narrow it down further, if you like. Do you prefer template names instead of cats, or does it matter? —Viriditas | Talk 04:18, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Let's put it on hold, Ingrid. It's something I saw Pearle working on, but it's not a high priority, and there may be an easier way of doing it. I've got some other ideas anyway. Thanks for your patience and time. Happy Holidays and Happy New Year, and all the best to you and yours. —Viriditas | Talk 23:00, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Louisville template rename[edit]

Hi. I just wanted to post here to make sure you got my response about a template rename from {{LouisvilleWikiProject}} to {{WikiProject Louisville}}. Please do go ahead and have your bot do these renames. I noticed that with the last run of the WatchlistBot, the renames hadn't been completed as of yet. That's not a big deal, but it would be great if the renames could be done before the next run so that all Louisville-related entities can end up on the results page. Thanks again for your tireless work! I'm sure it is highly appreciated by a lot of people (including myself). Stevie is the man! TalkWork 15:46, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry if I'm bothering you too much with this, but WikiProject Louisville has recently started doing article assessments. This means we are now increasingly using 'class' and 'importance' parameters within {{WikiProject Louisville}}. Will this affect how the WatchlistBot runs? By the way, many thanks for what you have done for our project up to now. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 17:31, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response! Yes, it would be great if you could have the bot mark all WikiProject Louisville articles in a stub category with "class=Stub". That would be extremely helpful in our assessment activities. No rush on this, though... whenever you can fit it in is fine with me. Happy holidays! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 03:39, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Hamsi song[edit]

I've written something more at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#Song in unknown language.  --LambiamTalk 21:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Baseball[edit]

Hey, I've had a look at your WatchlistBot, and wondering if you'd be able to help with {{Baseball-WikiProject}} tagging? There is thousands of untagged articles under the parent category Category:Baseball. Please let me know whether you think this is alright, currently it's all being done manually.. --Borgarde 15:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be good if you could just get the bot to mark every page that is under the category tree starting from Category:Baseball. I'm sure if any are marked wrong they'll soon be picked up and changed. Thanks again --Borgarde 14:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok, take your time. There's not really a hurry, I've been marking pages as I go, but there is just so many.. I've noticed you did categories as well, didn't realise there was that many until I saw the list. --Borgarde 13:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Bell System[edit]

Is it possible to have your bo look at {{Bell_System}} and have it add {{WikiProject Bell System}} to the talk pages of articles listed?(Ke5crz 01:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC))

yes the Category:Bell System (Pre-1984)(Ke5crz 03:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC))

Adding Louisville-related images to WikiProject Louisville[edit]

Hi again. I have a new, small job for the WatchlistBot. I'd like to have all files (images) under Category:Images of Louisville and its child categories to have {{WikiProject Louisville|class=NA}} placed on their talk pages (if it's not there already). No rush on this, but at some point, we need to have change patrol for these images like we need to do for articles and other pages. Thanks in advance for helping us out. I totally appreciate all the highly valuable work you are doing here in the Wikipedia! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 15:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good about the images. However, some of the categories in our project contain articles that don't necessarily belong in the project. I think it would be best if those were left alone for now. Thanks for offering though! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 02:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Numismatics on Citizendium[edit]

You will be pleased to know that there is a numismatic project on the Citizendium Pilot, which you can find here; [3] - ( 19:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC))

New watchlist?[edit]

Hello. I wonder if I could ask you to deploy your fabulous watchlist bot and create a watchlist for WikiProject LGBT studies? We would be grateful. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 22:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


Hello Ingrid, can you ask WatchlistBot to scan for and tag any untagged categories please? eg. Category:International cricket competitions by year. Thanks. —Moondyne 07:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou Ingrid. —Moondyne 23:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

SFBA Project[edit]

Thanks so much for creating the watchlist! I really appreciate it. Also thank you for the offer to have your bot tag articles for the project. My only hesititation is in the tags then not including assessments of class. — Emiellaiendiay 07:00, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Chinese yuan[edit]

I wrote the paragraph originally. What I was trying to say is that during 1911-49, "yuan" was the official name, but sometimes "dollar" is printed on the back. For New Taiwan dollar, the official English name is "dollar", but sometimes, "yuan" was printed. I changed the article a bit. Please review. Thanks. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:53, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

The grammar is still off, and I can't tell exactly what you're trying to say. Specifically: English translation with "yuan" was often printed on the reverse of the first yuan. But sometimes "dollar" can be found. Is the English translation of "yuan" "dollar"? Right now, it sounds like the first sentence is saying something about the English translation of "yuan" and the second sentence (which is not a full sentence) is saying something about "dollar", and the two are not the same. Oh, wait a minute, is the first translation saying that "yuan" and "dollar" are often printed together, and the second sentence is saying that sometimes only "dollar" appears? And it is true that "dollar" is the English translation of "yuan"? If so, how about "Dollar" is the English translation of "yuan" (earlier in the paragraph). Then, replace these sentences with Sometimes both "yuan" and "dollar" appear on the reverse of the first yuan, and other times "dollar" appears alone? Ingrid 15:49, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Yuan in Chinese is 圓. Almost all banknotes during 1911-1949 were denominated in 圓. The front side is in Chinese. The reverse would be a English translation of the front side, like this one (front back), where 圓 is translated as "yuan". But sometimes, the same 圓 would be translated to "dollar" on the back. Example: front back. Notice the that unit in Chinese in these two examples are both 圓, but the English on the back side is sometimes "yuan", sometimes "dollar". Yuan is more common than dollar.
As fore new Taiwan dollar. The official translation is "dollar", which can be seen from this commemorative folder. Almost no banknotes have English printed on them. But the vertical banknotes between 1949 and 1956, like this one had "yuan" printed on the back. The front still says 圓. I hope this clarifies what I intended to say. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 23:55, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Of course, I wasn't thinking about the fact that in Chinese, it's not "yuan" (duh!). I rewrote it again. This time I think I got it right, but let me know if I didn't. Ingrid 01:12, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I love collaboration. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Pleasure working with you, as usual. Thanks for your patience. Ingrid 00:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Bot and the new class[edit]


I found that your bot append |class=xyz instead of modifying "NA" if "numismaticnotice" starts with a lower case n. You can take a look at my edit history for more examples. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 07:27, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. How did you find it? It turns out this text substitution is tricky business, since I have to match all the possible existing situations. I did check them, but they still appear correct with two copies of "class" (to me anyway). I think I've got this bug fixed, and think I've checked to see if it happened again in all the Templates, but I didn't find any (did you check them all?) Ingrid 15:23, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't go through all the changes the bot did. I only looked at the ones on my watch list. After all, as you said, the second class overrides the first one, so the mistake is rather harmless. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 15:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronics[edit]

OK, well, seeing no objections, let's get this started. Category:Electronics would be the place to start. There may be a few articles in other places, but they should be few and far between. Please check over {{Electron}} for me, make sure everything's ok there. And add links on the front page to relevant watchlistbot pages. Thanks Ingrid :) Joe I 06:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Ancient mints[edit]

Thanks for the message, I've posted the response on the project page. One issues that seems to keep cropping up is that one wikiproject determines something is in their sphere and want to delete it, but don't realize that the same thing is a keeper for a different project. Ancient mints transcends numismatics, but goes into ancient history, and geography realms. Carlossuarez46 21:27, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I wouldn't mind the rename, but some ancient minters (as you probably know) were not necessarily "cities" or "sites" (e.g., tribes, armies, and regions), I'll let you ponder what to rename the category, but "ancient mints" does have simplicity and there do not appear to be any articles that would conflict with this short title (like an article about an actual ancient mint). Carlossuarez46 00:37, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Bot again[edit]

You might be interested to look at this. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:01, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I think it's just that one page. I was untagging pages that are no longer in the project (based on categories being removed). A few, like this one, seem to belong, so I put them into appropriate categories, and reverted the untagging. Looks like I just missed this one. Ingrid 13:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Just curious, how does your bot recognize that a page is numismatic related. I think it's magic! --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 11:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


Sorry, I should have explained my edit in the edit summary. The world currency templates automatically categorize whatever page they’re on to category:circulating currencies. If that category is added at the bottom of the page, you can choose what letter it is alphabetized under. Otherwise it would go under “T” (for [Template:WorldCurrencies). – Zntrip 01:16, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay, let me put it this way: Let's take a template, say Template:Currencies of Africa. If you were to edit this template you would see that “Category:Circulating currencies” is at the bottom of the template. This means that whatever page has Template:Currencies of Africa on it will be automatically categorize in Category:Circulating currencies.
Now, Template:WorldCurrencies has Template:Currencies of Africa on it. Therefore it will automatically be in Category:Circulating currencies, regardless of any edits made to categories listed at the bottom of the edit box on Template:WorldCurrencies.
Also, since Template:WorldCurrencies starts with a “T” it would appear in Category:Circulating currencies under “T”. My edit: [[Category:Circulating currencies|μ]], ensured that Template:WorldCurrencies would appear at the end of the category under “μ”. If you still have trouble with what I’m saying, ask Chochopk, he knows just about everything regarding templates. – Zntrip 04:28, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
With or without Zntrip's revert, Template:WorldCurrencies would be placed under Category:Circulating currencies, Category:Currencies of Africa, etc. This is because Template:WorldCurrencies transcludes all 5 continental nav boxes. historical version (before Zntrip's revert) shows what I just described. What Zntrip did was to override how Template:WorldCurrencies would be sorted under these 6 categories. Instead of T, it's now sorted as μ.
Yes, the template is not a currency. To really exclude Template:WorldCurrencies from the categories, the templates have to be modified slightly to take an optional parameter. This sounds like an overkill to me for this one-time-use application. But if you feel strongly about it, Ingrid, I can make the change. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:11, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your patience. I get it now. I don't think it's a big deal to have it there, I just thought it was an easy fix. Ingrid 15:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


I just shortened the template name to {{WPHawaii}}. I thought you would want to know. —Viriditas | Talk 01:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


Hey, I started Wikipedia:WikiProject Texas/Assessment. Everything should be in order, but didn't know if you need to change the bot or not.  :) Joe I 04:04, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Good, Yes, I was hoping you could tag the cats and images, those would take alot of time. The stubs would still need an importance, so we'll just let people take those. Thanks. Joe I 01:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Figured you missed this on my talk. Thanks :) Joe I 21:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


Clever! One-place change that solves it all! --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't my idea. It finally occurred to me to post to the help desk. I know it's usually for newbie questions, but I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask. Someone showed me that trick (which I still don't fully understand). Ingrid 13:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
With {{#if:{{NAMESPACE}}||[[Category:Cent]]}}, {{NAMESPACE}} evaluates to "Talk" on an article talk page, it evaluates to blank on an article. #if: evaluates to true on non-empty string, and false on empty string. So [[Category:Cent]] would be present if {{NAMESPACE}} is blank. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Watchlist bot[edit]

I copied the source code and created a India-related watchlist. Thanks for sharing the code. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 19:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

I really appreciate your offer to help out the India project with WatchListBot. Until now we have been tagging the articles using the ABW plug-in. But that does not traverse categories and is very manual. I have a few questions,
1) How do you deal with false positives and people who don't like talk-page banners in general?
2) I was thinking that we should prepare a skip category list before you add India to the list of the projects.
3) Can you handle taskforces? For tamil nadu related categories, the template should read {{WP India|tamilnadu=yes}}. We have about 24 task forces.
4) In the watchlist, can you make all the links show up seperated by hypens like in Wikipedia:WikiProject India/Articles instead of using bullets. That will save time scrolling through the list. Is it possible to turn off the talk pages? Not sure how they help.
Please advise. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 23:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
1) With categories tagged first, I find that there are very few false positives. Usually, categories either contain only project articles or no project articles. If this is not the case for India, the bot wouldn't work properly. For each project, I maintain an exclusion list. If something is incorrectly tagged, the tag can be removed by hand. If the article is added to the exclusion list, it will be automatically skipped if I retag articles for the same project. If people complain about talk page banners in general, I tell them that it's a standard practice which many projects find useful, and unless/until they create a policy that they shouldn't be used, I'm going to keep tagging.
2) The exclusion list works for categories too. But the way I tag categories is to start at the top-level, probably Category:India, then check each subcategory. If it's obviously part of the project, I tag it. If it's obviously not, I skip it. If it's unclear to me, I ask the project. This is all done semi-manually (I give the bot a list of keywords, like "India". If the keyword is in the category name, I tag automatically. Otherwise, I have to say yes/no).
3) The bot doesn't currently handle task forces, but it would be an interesting project for me to add that capability. The only problem is that since I'm not at all familiar with the subject, it might be really hard for me to tell where categories belong. If the category structure is not split along task force lines, it would not be easy for me to update the bot to handle them. I could always generate a list of categories, and give that to you to tell me what goes where.
4) I can't do a custom format article list, since I use the same code for all the projects. But tagging and updating the list are completely separate. So, you could continue to maintain the article list, and I could still do the tagging for you. When I originally wrote the bot, I included talk pages so changes to talk pages would be included. I think "related changes" might do that automatically though -- do you know?
Ingrid 01:54, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Ingrid, Task forces are stand-alone projects themselves, but share the project template and some departments like collaboration with the root project. They are generally split on a main category. For example, Tamil Nadu task force starts with Category:Tamil Nadu. If you can add the task force handling at a later time, that is totally fine. I can update the article list myself. I checked and found Related changes does not show the talk page changes. I think I have a good understanding on how this works. Please let me know if I can help you with anything setting it up. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 04:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
It's easier to deal with the task forces right away. I started with Tamil Nadu, since we've been discussing it. I started off trying to tag all relevant categories, but quickly got confused about what related. So, I continued by tagging only categories with "tamil" in the name. The list is at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Tamil Nadu/Categories. Please check it to see if I've tagged anything that doesn't belong (you can just fix the tag). Also, please check if I've left anything out, and if you can give me a list of keywords to include, that would be ideal (I skipped all the neighborhoods, which probably all belong). Ingrid 20:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
I have marked a few cats at Wikipedia:WikiProject Tamil Nadu/Categories as not-in-scope. Any sub-cats under them are also not-in-scope. Neighborhoods, villages, suburbs, districts, taluks etc do belong as it is a state taskforce. India project and its task forces stay away from any religion-related cats. The keywords I can think are tamil and tamil nadu. Anything that has Sri Lanka is not in scope. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

I have removed the categories you marked as not belonging, and tagged two new geography ones. The cat list is up-to-date. Now, I just have a couple of questions:

Ingrid 15:46, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding.
  • do any of the subcats of Category:Tamil history belong to the project? All subcats except the following, Ayyavazhi, Bhakti movement and Sri Lankan Tamil history are in scope.
  • does Category:Telugu language belong? If so, do its subcategories? Telugu language and its subcats are not in scope.
  • what about subcategories of Category:Tamil cinema? Yes for all.
Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 22:06, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
No problem about the delay. I got involved with other things. One last category question: what about Category:Akilattirattu Ammanai?
And a new question related to task forces: I started running the bot, and tagged 12B and 16 Vayathinile which both already have a WPIndia tag with cinema=yes. For now, the bot doesn't check for that, so I stopped it. But I'm not sure what the correct behavior should be. It's not possible with the current template for me to just add another task force to the existing template -- should the template be modified? Otherwise, I'm afraid others might object to multiple WP India tags on one page. But whatever the project thinks is best, I can modify the bot to work with (I think). Ingrid 21:23, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Category:Akilattirattu Ammanai is religion-related and not in scope.
In cases like 12B, the bot should add tamilnadu=yes parameter if it is missing in the existing template. I have fixed it here. Existing parameters/task-forces should not be disturbed. Multiple tagging should be avoided. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 06:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
I've just started tagging the articles. There are a lot! I'll be getting back in touch with you when it's done to move on to the next task force. It should be quicker, since the bot updates are done. Ingrid 23:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


Hey, i added one to User:WatchlistBot/Electronics. I did notice atleast two that are one the exception list that are still tagged, tho. Category:Real-time computing, Category:Audio trackers, Category:Digital only radio stations. If all you do is untag em manually, just lemme know, and I'll take of it. Joe I 20:53, 11 April 2007 (UTC)


Please refer to the reply at my talk page. - Privacy 21:30, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Azerbaijani manat[edit]

thanks, Ingrid, for your question, there is nothing wrong if you can see both Azerbaycan manati and manat, that is Azerbaijani language is an agglutinative language, all processes in our language goes by adding suffixes to the words, thus when you say Manat of Azerbaijan, you say Azerbaycan Manati that is that ı is a suffix, which indicates that Manat in this case means that it belongs to the word Azerbaijan. but the name of currency is Manat, as the same you can say Turkmenistan Manati in oreder to indicate that the word manat in this case refers to Turkmensitan it is a more complex, I'll try to explain it by example:

  • my manat - mənim manatım
  • your manat(sing) - sənin manatın
  • her/his manat - onun manatı
  • our manat- bizim manatımız
  • your manat(pl) - sizin manatınız
  • their manat - onların manatları

that is you can meet many forms of manat with various suffexes, but they do not change its meaning, just relate that word with other words. also you can see manata, manatda, manatdan and etc. hope not bored you Elsanaturk 17:37, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Postal Orders[edit]

These are numismatic items in their own right. If you see a postal-order related article, then adding the numismatic category tag is correct, as a postal order strong resembles a banknote in terms of their design. You should create a notaphily tag as well. - ( 19:29, 17 April 2007 (UTC))

The Postal Orders of the Orange Free State, the Postal Orders of the South African Republic, and the Postal Orders of Great Britain were declared legal tender during the Second Boer War (in the case of the Orange Free State and South African Republic), and World War I and World War II (in the case of the British issues). Therefore, they're regarded as being banknotes. You will find the Orange Free State and South African Republic postal orders listed in the Pick Specialised Catalogue as banknotes, except for the 1/6 denomination. - ( 21:01, 17 April 2007 (UTC))

WatchlistBot improper tagging[edit]

Would it be possible to stop the WatchlistBot from tagging Image talk:Cedar Badge prior to 2005.jpeg with {{Numismaticnotice|class=image}}? —Remember the dot (talk) 06:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

(replying to message on my talk page) — OK. Thanks! —Remember the dot (talk) 14:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Circulating/Obsolete v.s. Current/Defunct[edit]

Some of the templates still shows the old wording Current/Defunct like Template:Rupee, while some others have been updated to Circulating/Obsolete like Template:Dollar. What's the latest standard? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I was working through them, making sure I had all of them, correct capitalization, local names and alternate names. Other things (real life) came up, and I'm not quite done revising User:mom2jandk/List of currencies which will help me make sure everything's there. I'll try to get to it in the next couple of days. Sorry to leave it half-done. I'm still struggling to find balance with wikipedia and real life (wikipedia is usually much more fun than all the stuff I should be doing, like right now :) It reminds me though, I wanted to talk to you. That page in my user space doesn't list the countries, and all currency articles are referenced by their actual page name. So, related changes gives you a watchlist of currency articles. I thought you might find that helpful. Also, I want to create a template for the yen/yuan, and wondered if the hwan, wen, won, and/or yang should be included? And did you see that I created Template:Denominations to help check for consistency? Ingrid 16:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I can totally understand the pressure of real life. I am also busy on that too. No pressure =). The related change is a good idea, as the currency unit articles are the "core" articles of this project. Perhaps when the list is done, we can add the related change to the project home page. On yuan/yen, I have to tell you that wen and yang are *not* etymologically the same word as yuan/yen/won/hwan. Funny, 27 grams of 90% pure silver can be referred as so many names, yuan, yen, dollar, peso, and thaler. I did see Template:Denominations by accident. I think Template:Escudo can be deployed, as it is less complex than pound. Pound required more scrutiny and peer review, as it involves lira, livre, and libra (I believe there was a Mozambican libra at some point?). --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
My plan was to get the list updated. Then, get all of the templates done. Then, make sure all of the templates are deployed on all relevant pages (I've added a couple of links to a couple of the existing templates). Speaking of etymology, I was also planning to create Template:real. Apparently real/rial/riyal are etymologically related, but Cambodian riel is not AFAIK. Yet, it is "similar", so I think it should probably be included. My thought was that similar words should be included, and apparently dissimilar words (lira/pound) should be included as well when they mean the same thing. All of the Asian ones I mentioned seem similar to my western ear, but I'm happy to do whatever you think is best. Again, it goes back to what Dove said somewhere, that the goal is to help people find what they're looking for. Ingrid 02:17, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Request for WatchlistBot[edit]

I would like to request WatchlistBot to create an article list for WikiProject Hong Kong, preferrably at Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong/Articles. Thanks in advance and feel free to ask me any questions. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 18:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 03:00, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Currency scans[edit]

With regards to your suggestion on having separate templates for banknote art and the resulting scans, I don't think that it's necessary. Under Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp., a "slavish reproduction" of a two-dimensional work has no copyright status of its own, but inherits the status of the original. Therefore, for instance, you can't claim copyright on a scan of US currency; the currency design is PD (as a work of the US federal government) and so is the scan since there is no creative aspect involved in making it. (Although the threshold for creativity is fairly low, technical effort alone does not count under the Bridgeman standard.) See WP:IUP#Public domain for further information. Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. *** Crotalus *** 05:05, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

East African shilling[edit]

Sorry I haven't been able to help. Duty calls in real life. I just want to say one thing. For every successor relationship, there is a corresponding predecessor relationship. The reason, ratio, and date must match. Specifically, I'm referring to the end of EAS. Obviously you have done the research, so I'll leave that to you to synchronize the update.

btw, I'm not sure why you want to make the succession box a template. Would it be transcluded in more than one article? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 06:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder about updating the other pages, it just slipped my mind. I'll take care of it right now. As far as pulliing out the succession box, the developers created a new table namespace recently to make main namespace pages easier to read. The function was supposed to be like a cross between templates and images, without the expectation of being used in multiple pages. It seemed like it would be a great way to handle succession boxes, since the code is so ugly even with the templates we've created. But then, they deleted the namespace again, since there wasn't consensus that it would be useful. I've reverted the change. Ingrid 17:09, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Texas people[edit]

Hey, I haven't looked to deep into this, but going thru a few templates, I found a number of people without texas project tags on them. The biggest problems seem to be Category:Texas A&M Aggies football coaches(several people not tagged) as well as Category:People from Texas(several people that I found not tagged, indicating alot not tagged). Both cats are tagged, so not sure why your bot missed some people. If you could, just go thru them, thanks. :) Joe I 03:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, whenever you get around to it, not gonna kill us :) By the way, I also found a number of cats untagged under Category:Austin, Texas. Joe I 04:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

currency images[edit]

I've been looking into the image copyright situation a bit, and have come up with some ideas to help our fair use images stay around. I just uploaded Image:East Africa 1 cent (KM22).jpg. You can see the tags and text I used. I noticed you've been getting warnings about missing fair use rationales and thought you might like to copy what I used. It's at User:Mom2jandk/FU obsolete coin. You can subst it with the linked page name as a parameter. I'd make it a template, but it's considered bad form to put a fair use rationale in a template (for reasons I don't understand). It's specific to a coin that is no longer produced or sold by the original country/bank and used in a page about the currency (rather than a page specific to the coin), but shouldn't take much modification to make it more general. As I work with more images, I imagine I'll make more such pages for other cases I come across. I just used it, and haven't checked with anyone that it will stand up to the recent harsher restrictions on fair use, but I think I followed the policy at WP:FUC. Let me know if you find this useful, or have any questions or comments. Also, I've put detailed info into East African shilling for the coins. I plan to add more images as I have time, and do something similar for banknotes once I get my SCWPM which I finally ordered. If you get a minute, I'm always interested in your thoughts, especially since you've put so much effort into standardizing page formats. If you have an example of an obscure obsolete currency layout I'd be happy to modify EAS to match it. Ingrid 20:13, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

This is an interesting issue. I'd like to discuss the problem of templates on Wikipedia first. Templates are often used for navigational boxes, where the same content must repeat on several articles. But editors with less technical/scientific training tend to make new navigational boxes by copying and pasting code and then modify the content. This is a bad practice. Templates can also be used to generate other templates. This issue on navigational templates has been somewhat alleviated. For example, {{navbox generic}} generates {{Currencies of Africa}}, which is in turned transcluded by many pages. Another good example is {{languageicon}}-{{zh icon}}. Bad examples include {{Money-stub}}-{{Coin-stub}} and {{Numismaticnotice}}-{{Electron}}. There should be a "root" template for stub and a root template for project banner that is similar to {{navbox generic}}.
Why do I talk about that? Because the same problem exists among Category:Image copyright tags. If you ask me, I think template is underutilized, and it is way underutilized in copyright tags. For example, {{PD-USGov-Military-Navy}} and {{PD-USGov-Military-Army}} (and possibly more) should consolidate. The same principle applies to fair use tags as well. Why do we have {{Non-free currency}} and {{Non-free currency - UK}}? IMHO, the currency tags should be partitioned into 3 tiers.
  1. PD (Somebody would say PD images should go to commons, and I agree. But there are always some that qualifies PD and lives on en. We should provide a tag for that to easily identify those.
  2. Conditional, like {{Money-EU banknote}} and {{NZ-Currency}}
  3. Fair use. Such template must enforce the editor to enter information required by {{Non-free media rationale}}, or better yet, fill in Purpose for you.
I'm not sure why making fair use rationale a template is bad. Is there a policy page or talk page that says that? I will bring this up at village pump to get more exposure. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:09, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
What you say makes a lot of sense. When I did some reading about templates awhile back, I remember reading that it's hard on the servers to have templates that transclude other templates, I think. If that's not true though, I definitely agree. I'd also like to create {{numis cite SCWC2002}}, {{numis cite tmmh}} with a country parameter, and others so I don't have to remember any of the details.
As far as the fair use rationale, there's been some controversy surrounding User:Betacommand. As you know, he's been tagging fair use images for deletion when they don't have correct or complete source/copyright/fair use information. Others have suggested that he add the missing info when he can. He argues that you can't just use a template, and someone who doesn't know about the image and how it's used can't easily tell what the appropriate tags and rationale are. Also, I think the argument about using a template for fair use rationale is that each rationale should be unique. Let me see if I can find some of the discussions I've been reading about it....

Ingrid 04:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Last time I check, there are at least close to 100,000 articles that transclude indirectly. Machines and computing powers are cheap. Time spent by humans is not. I'm aware of Betacommand. I guess everyone is. I don't think we should intentionally make it hard for editors with legit fair use rationale. Nor do I agree that each fair use rationale is unique. What about {{Non-free television screenshot}}, {{Non-free game screenshot}}? About numismatic reference, I have created {{Standard numismatics external links}}. It has been transluded by almost all circulating currencies. Progress can be tracked at User:Chochopk/Currency article status (column 6). Dove and I have been adding those. The difference is that these links are listed under "External links", not "References". About book reference, I believe the best way is to have one template for SCWC and another for SWCPM, with edition being a parameter. We all have different editions, and will likely to update in the future. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I definitely don't see a problem with a template for a fair use rationale. But I'm more interested in making sure my images don't get deleted than arguing about policy (even when it's not actually policy). I've noticed you using the standard links, and think it's great! Same with all the other work you've been doing on standardization. I don't have the patience for it, but it's a valuable thing to do. Of course, the date should be a parameter in the citation template, I didn't think of it. I'll probably create those templates soon, and post to the project. Ingrid 05:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Numis cite[edit]

I have some ideas as to refactoring the numis cite xyz templates. Could you pause the transclusion of them, for like a day or two. I don't want to see you spending so much time on something, which will be replaced later... --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:04, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I'd appreciate your help/advice. I posted to Dove's talk page about them, so you might want to tell him to hold off as well. Ingrid 02:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
I have finished the preliminary of the book templates. Please take a look at User:Chochopk/Template sandbox 1. The change will be backward-compatible. I am proposing:
  • More choices (rows)
  • Accurately reflect the authors and editors. These books cannot be edited by the same people forever.
Caveat: some books only have editors. The result would look like the second bullet point.
  • Use 13 digit ISBN (new standard)
  • The Amazon and "Editor/author (cover)" columns will be deleted. They are helpers for me to derive the last two columns.
  • The authors and editors are derived from the cover. The info from Amazon is unstable. Sometimes and give different result.
Please let me know what you think. Btw, could you proof read the content? I'm afraid that I make a mistake somewhere. I did check multiple times and found some myself. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I glanced at it. Don't have time for more right now. It looks good. I think it's probably a good thing to put a link to the picture, since that's a sure way to know you have the right version. Another place to look for images is which has the right one for the 2006 SCWC. I never intended to leave the choices so limited, I just picked the ones that I saw already being referenced to start with, which includes 1991 SCWC which you didn't include (I'm sure by accident). But as usual, your thoroughness is great. You can see in the SCWPM that I've already done choices for authors/editors. I've been wrestling with the author/editor situation since I started this. The editor field in cite book is intended for books with one editor chapters by different authors. It doesn't really work for us (since it adds "in"). Also, the co-authors field doesn't work properly (it doesn't include "and"). So, that's why I used author to include all of it. It's probably better though to use other for the editor when there is an author, since that puts it after the title, and makes the separation more obvious than just a ; as I have it now. When I get some more time at the computer, I'll implement some of the examples you've collected, and update what I'd already done to show you what I mean (I don't think it's a problem to experiment a little with the already deployed template format, since before the template there was no standardization anyway). I'll also double-check the details from your tables. Ingrid 16:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I looked a bit closer, and didn't find any major problems. There were a couple of minor title issues which I fixed. (2002 doesn't have "1901-Present" as part of the title. I hope you don't mind, I updated your sandbox to show what the actual citations look like. Feel free to delete -- it was just for me to check them, and now for your reference if you want to see them. I stayed with ISBN-10 since my ISBN links go to amazon, which only uses -10. I'm sure I'm not the only one using amazon, and want the links to be clickable. I don't know when I'll get to the SCWPM, but I'll update that as well. For the documentation table, I kept "date=" instead of "Code" since I think it's more obvious to a less sophisticated user what that means. Let me know if there's anything else. Ingrid 21:24, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

This is awesome. I will do the same for SCWPM. I really don't feel strongly about how to describe the authors/editors. But I just have one question. When the cover only says editors (e.g. 1900.5 or 2000.35), do we still want to include Chester and Mishler as authors? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 03:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

And yes, I agree that we should start deploying these out, since the change will be backward-compatible. My question is, how do we track the progress? How do we know what articles need to be changed? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 04:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm so bad at staying away from wikipedia when I'm working on an interesting project, *sigh*. Anyway, I think we should stick with what's on the front cover, since in the other books, I don't think Krause and Mishler are even referenced inside. I wanted to find somewhere else that sites some of these books to see how they do it, but it seems libraries with online catalogs all use abbreviated citations now. But it doesn't really matter. The point is that we're being consistent, and it will be easy to update it later if we find a need. I thought the easiest way to keep track would be to run a bot to find all the articles in the project and generate a list (searching for "Standard Catalog of World Coins/Paper Money". Then go through manually and replace, removing articles from the list as they're handled. Since the bot wouldn't update wikipedia, it wouldn't need approval. Do you think AWB would help -- can you search article text? I haven't ever bothered to download it, but keep thinking maybe I should. Ingrid 15:44, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that we should stick with what's on the cover. But the coin catalogs published in 2006 and 2007 don't have Krause and Mishler on the cover? The AWB idea is great. I use it a lot. And updating them should be semi-automated. A lot of the instances are created by you, me, and Dove. So the number of patterns is limited. There's just one open issue on Dove's talk page. Could you visit my sandbox page again and fill in the books you have ever used? Thanks. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 20:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
It's odd that they're no longer listed as authors. I don't know why. I'm not sure what my other copy of SCWC is, and I can't find it right now. If one of us finds a reference to it, we can fix it then. I created User:Mom2jandk/refs which is the list of numismatics pages with "Standard Catalog of World" on them. Ingrid 17:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I will work the list from bottom up. But I am suspecting that Dove sometimes copies and pastes reference even when the book's period doesn't cover the life time of the currency. Please make a mental note when updating. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I'll keep that in mind. I noticed when thoroughly updating the EAS article that a lot of the dates were not accurate, or even consistent within the article. I know that you and I did a lot more careful research for the succession boxes than many article editors do. My feeling is that it's good to have the general references there as a start. At some point (in the distant future), it would be nice to have inline citations so we can be more confident of the details. Oh well, all in good time. Ingrid 21:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Image talk pages[edit]

Dang, I thought I had gotten all of those. There were an enormous amount of images I deleted in that IFD, and I was pretty sure I was hitting the talk pages too. I guess maybe some of the tabs in my browser must have never submitted properly or something. Mangojuicetalk 03:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Palestine pound and Israeli lira[edit]

There's some confusion going on regarding how the Palestine pound ends. Since you've worked on succession for a long time, I thought you could help out on the issue. See Template talk:Historical currencies of Israel.

P.S. I have not forgotten to review the cite templates. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 14:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

East African shilling[edit]

Just happened to check the page after your change to the first table. Thank you. I had wanted to follow the standard, but wasn't sure how since I didn't have much of the suggested info. Don't worry about changing the other tables -- I'll take care of it (unless you want to, but I know you have a lot of other things you're working on). Ingrid 00:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the burden. I believe the first table is up to the standard. All the columns are optional. The style guide is really a suggestion. Now I can really take a look at the cite templates. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 01:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Regarding your comments:
  • Date v.s. year. It does make more sent to put date. And "date" is more concise. But that means we have to backfill the existing tables. Luckily, "What links here" from the standard notice can give us a definitive list.
half vs. ½. Most coins don't have Arabic numerals on them, but we still use the numerals in tables.
  • ‰. That's the standard User:Timur lenk insisted on (for precious metal only). He's migrated to the Hungarian wikipedia. I did forget about "silver".
  • "Remark" or "Remarks", that doens't really matter to me. I'm not sure. Timur lenk or I are not native English speakers. But "note" or "notes" may confuse with banknotes.
Some other thoughts:
  • Where should we put catalog number? Is it fair to use SCWC/PM number? Would it arouse protest from American or Canadian numismatics where there may be a different set of well established cataloging system? How do we standardize?
--ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 21:22, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Date, ½, Remarks -- all fine. Whatlinkshere is very useful, but hard to keep track of what's already done. If you ever want me to generate a list of articles containing something, just let me know. My bot is great at making lists, so it's a small matter to have it search for something specific. What do you think of having standard footnotes for the table, for things like precious metal content, catalog number (see below)? I'm not sure because the tables are often used multiple times in one page, and I don't want to clutter them, but since they're not templates, the footnotes would appear at the bottom of the page, right? I don't know, just a thought.
Since the precious metal article doesn't even use ‰, I'm hesitant. If it's used in a lot of places already though, I could be convinced to just footnote it. I do think it needs some explanation (probably whatever way we write it), since a casual reader may have no idea what we're trying to say.
Catalog number is a tricky one. It is such vital information for a collector (in my experience, it's the main way individual coins are identified), but so obscure for others. If there are multiple standards, I don't think there would be any harm in listing more than one catalog number. I think SCWC has tried to use existing formats when they are available, like Y# for many Asian currencies. I had asked about how to cite the references for the tables, since there's no obvious place to put it, and someone commented that a footnote describing the catalog number would probably be helpful. I agree in theory, but haven't been able to figure out exactly what it should say.
Ingrid 21:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
One other thing, how did you come up with 111px for the 1 cent images? I've got the 5 cent images uploaded, and don't know how big to make them. I'll be putting in all the other WorldCoinGallery images as well. Ingrid 21:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Backfilling "date", and "remarks" can be done within AWB w/o invoking a bot too. It's just that the list is saved as a local file, which eliminates the possibility of collaboration. It is possible to add things to {{Standard banknote table notice}} and {{Standard coin table notice}}, which is placed at the bottom of each table. I'm only worried if they get too bloated. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 22:04, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I've requested permission to use AWB, so that should make it easier for me. I agree about the notices not getting too big. That's why I'm not sure what the right thing to do is. I'll think about it some more. What about the size for the images? Ingrid 02:21, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:WikiProject Numismatics/Style/Currency article says that it's 2.5 px per mm (so that it's to scale across all pages). But if the size of the coin is unknown, fall back to 60 px per side. We can get the size from catalog, but they will be estimate, as there could be two level of errors, printing, and measuring. I don't know if it is appropriate to put the sizes if the sizes are measured by the editors. Nevertheless, I can still rescale the images according to the sizes we measure. Better than nothing. This is what I've done with Algerian dinar. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 02:44, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
I forgot to say, if the image is from WorldCoinGallery, then he uses the same scale. The conversion rate is the image width / 3.17. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 08:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:WP:INCINE tagging[edit]

Hello Ingrid, Thanks for your continued attention to India project tagging. I feel Indian cinema taskforce can wait. We can tag the geography-related task-forces first i.e. state-level taskforces, cities and districts. They are least contraversial. Please let me know how I can help. Thanks, Ganeshk (talk) 04:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Articles[edit]

Hi Ingrid, could you ask Watchlistbot to search for and tag any untagged cricket categories please. Thanks. —Moondyne 15:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit ot Lundy Coins[edit]

Thanks for the notification. No problem. Rosser 15:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Cite TMMH and GFD[edit]

I'm beginning to review these two templates. I notice that the mapping between the url (or the url segment) and what's shown to the readers is done within the template. The way Template:Standard numismatics external links is done is that the editor has to supply both of these manually. This is also the way {{Imdb name}} is done. But the numismatic reference is somewhat different. The number of possible pages are somewhat limited, at least in comparison to IMDB. But an automatic mapping requires a lot of initial set up. I'm not sure which way is better. I'd like to hear your idea. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 10:48, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

My original reasoning for creating these templates was 1) existing references were not at all consistent, 2) I got frustrated every time I had to look up what exactly the details of the references were 3) Inline citations were long and ugly when editing. So, I wanted to simplify referencing for the end user, even if that meant a more complicated template (one time complicated, many times easy). Specifically, I didn't want to have to look up the 2-letter code for the country just to reference it. But it's not a big deal to me, if you feel it should be changed. Also, I wanted to thank you for checking my edits. I try to be careful, but see that I've messed up the dates a couple of times. Ingrid 19:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I completely agree with that there is a need of these templates. It seems like you feel strongly about giving the burden to the template, which I have nothing against. Is that a correct assessment? Btw, I only found one mistake you made =). --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 23:01, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
I do prefer it that way, but don't know that I'd say I feel strongly about it. But if you don't have a problem with it, I'd rather leave it. You found one mistake recently, and one last week, if I'm remembering correctly. Anyway, I appreciate your thoroughness, and the time you devote to making sure things are done right (by me or anyone else). Ingrid 01:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

The next question that I have is the direction of mapping. Currently, they are set up as "code → url segment" and "code → title shown to the readers". I would like to simply that as "url segment → title shown to the readers". The reason I chose the url segment as the key instead of the other way around is because I feel that the url segment is less likely to change in the future, while country name is more likely???? (Congo DR v.s. Zaire?) There are only 6 transcluding pages, so even a non-backward compatible change is not that big a deal... --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 11:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually I need to reconsider. Webmaster can shuffle the url anytime they want, while renaming a country is a bigger deal. But some country names are problematic, such as Côte d'Ivoire. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 12:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
I think it's easier to remember to use the country name. I'm not sure which would change more often -- if the country name changes, there's a decent chance the page name will also change. It won't be too hard to fix by bot, even once there are a lot of transclusions, since there won't be any thought involved. That is, what we're doing now, you have to check, since there's no standard formattting. Once we switch to templates, it will be standard and a bot or AWB can easily find all and change them. Ingrid 17:24, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
That is true. What about the country names like "Côte d'Ivoire", multiword name (South Africa), "São Tomé and Príncipe" v.s. "Staint Thomas ...", "Saint xyz" v.s. "St. xyz", the two Congos, the two Koreas, the two Chinas, country names with article "the" in it, like "the Gambia"? --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 19:05, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, why do you have to go and think of everything? I don't know that it matters too much. As long as we use something that makes sense, and document it in the template docs. I'm feeling a bit irritated right now by the idea that coin images don't belong in articles unless they're discussed in prose rather than a table. I don't want to argue with Betacommand, Durin, or anyone else about it, but it just doesn't make sense to me. I may need to take a step back from wikipedia until this is resolved -- one of the reasons I enjoy participating here is imagining what the numismatics articles will be one day. Without images, they just won't be what I hope for. As far as the template, I trust your judgement. Ingrid 22:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

WatchlistBot questions[edit]

  1. If I said which categories to include, could the WatchlistBot fill a specific taskforce watchlist page, and also add a specified taskforce parameter to the project template on the articles' talk pages? I am considering creating a taskforce or two for WikiProject Louisville, although I haven't as of yet.
  2. Is there a manual way to run the WatchlistBot for a wikiproject, without working with the source? WP 1.0 Bot already has this capability.
  3. The WatchlistBot hasn't updated watchlists for WikiProject Louisville or WikiProject Kentucky for eight days. Is there a particular schedule for when these are run?

Continued thanks for a great bot that has provided a *lot* of value for projects I work on! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 14:48, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


You requested that {{Numismaticnotice}} be added to the assessment script. This has been done. –Outriggr § 05:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

my RFA[edit]

Thank you for supporting my RFA. I hope I will live up to your expectation. Let me know if you need any help, or I make any mistake. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 00:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

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Barnstar for you[edit]

Vitruvian Barnstar.png The da Vinci Barnstar
I just wanted to give you extra appreciation for this great bot WatchlistBot that has really proven itself. WikiProject Louisville's project watch is really working like a charm. Thanks so much for your hard work on it! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 21:48, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Idea for WatchlistBot[edit]

Would it be possible to add a parameter to {{WikiProject Louisville}} like "watchexclude=yes" whereas the WatchlistBot won't add it to the article list used for project watching? Or is there another similar solution we can pursue? WPLou is needing this kind of feature as there are a few articles we would prefer not to watch because they have a lot of edits and have ample coverage by other projects and watchers. Thanks! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 19:25, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I can think of a couple of ways to do this. Either a list somewhere in User:WatchlistBot's user space, similar to the exclusion list for tagging, or a parameter in the tag, as you've suggested (which wouldn't make things easy for me, unless the parameter put pages into a category too). I don't know. I'm not spending much time here right now, so I'm going to stop updating the Louisville watchlist for now so I don't keep overwriting your work. I'll let you know when I'm back, or you can let me know if you want me to update it again in the meantime. Ingrid 22:30, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. You can keep running the bot for now. For now, we're just removing a few articles from the project altogether so the bot won't pick them up. If the bot is changed to exclude articles, then they can be added back to the project. Stevie is the man! TalkWork 22:38, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's an idea: What if our wikiproject maintained a page of article links at Wikipedia:WikiProject Louisville/Watchexclude... would this be easy to work with? Stevie is the man! TalkWork 22:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
That will work fine, as soon as I get around to writing a couple of lines of code to implement it (it's really easy, but I haven't had even a few minutes to work on it recently). I think I'd rather put it in WatchlistBot's user space though, so I can hardcode the location, and not have to worry about different projects choosing different page names. Ingrid 01:03, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Sounds all right. As long as we know where to go to update it, that should suffice. thanks! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 06:44, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
Please let me know in my talk when we're ready to roll with excluding specific articles. No rush, of course. Thanks! Stevie is the man! TalkWork 14:41, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Template:History of China[edit]

Hi. I think the "fork" template will probably be deleted. So if you could add a parameter to this template so that it switches between BC/BCE and AD/CE according to the article in question, I would appreciate it.

We are not discussing changing existing articles in regards to their content on BC/BCE, etc. John Smith's 17:07, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Mom2jandk - I would wait to see if concensus develops to actually modify the template to function that way (half of the reason why I haven't actually done it myself). See the discussion over at WikiProject China[4]. Personally I have no preference on which format to use, but majority support in the discussion is to simply use the BCE/CE format alone. Adding those parameters to the template could potentially start an edit war across all the articles that use the template. Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Hong, the discussion on the project doesn't mention modifying the template like that, so no consensus can form - can it? Why would an edit war start over whether the template can adapt or not to the article? John Smith's 10:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I have no intention of making any change until/unless there is real consensus (which is not the same thing as a majority). It was just one idea, and there could easily be a better solution. I was just volunteering my knowledge of template writing if that solution is chosen. The discussion is clearly not done yet. Ingrid 14:15, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Banknotes of the Swakopmund Bookshop (South West Africa)[edit]

Can you please look up the Pick catalogue numbers for these emergency banknotes, and add in their details to this article. - (Numismaticman 00:02, 9 August 2007 (UTC))

WP:Civil engineering and WatchlistBOT[edit]

Hello. Made a request at WatchlistBOT for a watchlist for WP:CEng. Let me/us know what needs to be done on our end to have such a great feature created by your awesome BOT. ;) ZueJay (talk) 16:13, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Military Payment Certificate[edit]

Hey, was there a reason you took out the numismaticnotice from this page? If so, it's been added back, so just state the reason so that won't happen again. 06:39, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

WatchlistBot for WP:NJ and WP:NYC[edit]

Hello, I'd like to get the WatchlistBot to create article lists for WP:NJ and WP:NYC, if possible. These lists should be based on Category:WikiProject New Jersey articles and Category:WikiProject New York City articles. No additional tagging needs to be done, just the creation and maintenance of the article lists. Please let me know if this is possible. Thank you. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 18:51, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

WatchlistBot dead?[edit]

I've noticed that the bot hasn't run since August. Will it be started up again? Stevie is the man! TalkWork 23:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Currency naming convention[edit]

This issue has been raised again at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics/Style#Guidelines change proposal. --ChoChoPK (球球PK) (talk | contrib) 17:29, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for help on a bot.[edit]

Hi i noticed that you are in charge of the bot User:WatchlistBot. This bot is being used in the WikiProject Cricket.

There is a request for another bot for this project .Would you be able to assist? If if its not with the actual programming? ajoy (talk) 07:58, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs[edit]

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