User talk:Mona23653

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Welcome![edit]

Hello, Mona23653, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome!  – Dreadstar 07:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?[edit]

My apologies if I have misunderstood your edits, but you must understand that your very first edit appeared to be vandalism: [1]. Then you began adding large amounts of content that appeared to be POV, and was not cited. Your editing pattern appeared to be similar to those made by vandals, a big problem in an undertaking such as Wikipedia. Some of us tend to be a little quick on the trigger...;)

I strongly recommend that before you start adding large amounts of content to Wikipedia articles, especially ones as contentious as you began editing (e.g. The Holocaust), I would suggest familiarizing yourself with all the Wikilpedia policies and guidelines. Then engage other editors on the article's talk pages first, but remember, Wikipedia is not a soapbox.

I would suggest reviewing the following Policies and guidelines:

These articles are the cornerstone for Wikipedia content.

I would also suggest reading through WP:3RR. When trying to add disputed content, (or remove it!), it's best to discuss it on the articles talk page first. Revert warring will not get the version you want into place, consensus will.

I'm always happy to assist, so please feel free to post questions on my talk page.

Dreadstar 07:21, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

October 2007[edit]

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia!

I hope not to seem unfriendly or make you feel unwelcome, but I noticed your username, and I am concerned that it might not meet Wikipedia's username policy. After you look over that policy, could we discuss that concern here?

I'd appreciate learning your own views, for instance your reasons for wanting this particular name, and what alternative username you might accept that avoids raising this concern.

You have several options freely available to you:

Thank you. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 14:58, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

What is wrong with his/her user name????14:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

At least three authors have either reverted your Odessa to Odesa changes, or have disagreed with you. I find the entire idea of changing the name patently absurd. The entire English world calls "Odessa" with two "s"'s Everybook that I know of in English on Odessa has to "s"'s. I can list dozens of sources, but I think we are both rational people and we can stop the moves. Thanks. Odessaukrain 14:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you should also read books published after the collapse of the Soviet Union, which use Ukrainian terms, which of course are the correct ones. Mona23653 03:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)mona23653

Kharkiv/Kharkov battles[edit]

I'm not sure why you're so inclined on moving all the Kharkov pages to Kharkiv (the fact that the city name was changed since then is hardly a valid reason), but please prior to redirecting pages, discuss it with other editors. Regards, Bogdan 01:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC) Same goes for Odessa/Odesa. Bogdan 01:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Second the request. Also, re Kharkiv it is called Kharkov in all WW2 literature including the books published now. The spelling in modern context has changed but not in the historic ones. Military history books tend to stay true to sources they use and if you are a WW2 reader, you would find such obsolete names as Rumania, Lvov and, yes, Kharkov. Wikipedia articles should reflect the tendencies of the academic literature. --Irpen 02:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

It's a Russian term. In Ukrainian, Kharkiv was used back then too. Just because some books use it, doesn't mean it's right.

Unilateral moves[edit]

Please never ever move articles without discussion. Ever! talk pages are there for some good reason. Raise your concerns at talk first and allow the community to opine. --Irpen 02:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to the 1.0 Editorial Team[edit]

Hi Mona,

Thanks for signing up for the 1.0 team! Please take a look at what we're doing, and please let me know where your interests lie. Cheers, Walkerma 04:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. We may want to call on your help for reviewing History & Ukraine topics. In the meantime, would you like to put together some nominations for Version 0.7? Perhaps you could put together a set nomination including all the key Ukrainian articles? Walkerma 03:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

STOP IT[edit]

Don't delete my postings on the talk page, I am one person you can't bully. I mean it, stop deleting what I post!! If you delete my postings on the talk page again, I will report you for vandalism. That's not a threat, it's a promise.--Woogie10w 23:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

TEXT FROM A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE[edit]

This is from:
Responsibility for the Holocaust


Soviet territories In the German-occupied Soviet territories, local Nazi collaborationist units represented over 80% of the available German forces providing a total of nearly 450,000 personnel organised in so-called Schutzmannschaften formations. Practically all of these units participated in the round-ups and mass-shootings. The overwhelming majority were recruited in the western Ukraine and the Baltic region, areas recently occupied by the Soviets for which the Jews were typically scapegoated, which exacerbated pre-Nazi antisemitic attitudes. Thus, for instance, Ukrainian nationalists killed 4,000 Lviv Jews in July 1941, and an additional 2,000 in late July 1941 during the so-called Petliura Days pogrom. Nazi Einsatzgruppen, together with Ukrainian auxiliary units, killed 33,000 Kievan Jews in Babi Yar in September 1941. Ukrainian auxiliaries participated in a number of killings of Jews, among them in Romanian concentration camps in Bogdanovka and in Latvia. Proof? Never have local collborationists actually participated in the shootings.--Woogie10w 01:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

THE WESTERN UKRAINE[edit]

In the territory that was Poland before the war is where there was a lot of collaboration, also that was the UPA stronghold. The UPA existed only in the Polish occupied regions, the UPA led the struggle against the Polish occupation before the war. In the western Ukraine most people hated the Polish and sided with the Germans, they were glad Poland was defeated and wanted the USSR to go down also. These people dreamed that the Germans would give them freedom. That was only a dream, they Germans planned to enslave and exploit all Ukrainians. In the eastern Ukraine most people were loyal to the USSR. --Woogie10w 02:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Here is a Wikipedia article on a UPA commander, who served with the Nazi Police. Roman Shukhevych--Woogie10w 02:24, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Here is another Wikipedia article on the Ukrainian patriotYevhen Konovalets.--Woogie10w 02:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Here is a Wikipedia article on Andriy Melnyk, a Ukrainian patriot, who colloborated with the Germans during part of WW2.--Woogie10w 02:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Another Wikipedia article on a Ukrainian leader who collaborated with the NazisPetro Voinovsky--Woogie10w 02:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Another Wikipedia article on a Ukrainian leader who collaborated with the NazisVolodymyr Kubiyovych,he helped form the 14th Ukrainian SS Division --Woogie10w 02:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
There were about 15,000 men in the Nazi 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Galicia (1st Ukrainian)--Woogie10w 02:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget that the UPA fought AGAINST Germany. And the fact that The SS Galicia only fought against the Soviets, not commiting any anti-semitic acts. Unless, of course you call them, killing a Soviet soldier, who happened to be a Jew, anti-semitic. The SS-Galizien, was only joined by Ukrainians to have their own army, which would later fight against the Germans, after the Bolsheviks were gone. Which is technically what happened, after the remains of SS Galicia joined UPA, providing it with trained members, and ammunition.

Multiple accounts[edit]

Hi. Please familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's policies regarding the use of multiple accounts. It appears to other editors (as well as myself) that User:Mona23653 and User:Pazan.ua are editing from the same location, and are perhaps the same person; would you please explain? --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It's not the same person though.And yes, I am connected with Pazan.ua, being on the computer at his place. But, as far as I know, there's nothing wrong with that.

  • That alone is not a problem. However, you are arguing the same point of view from the same IP, including (for example) deleting comments from other editors (which is never allowed), at Talk:The Holocaust. I strongly suggest the two of you edit in different areas, or you are guaranteed to run into problems. Editors who make the same agenda and who make the same kind of edits from the same place may be treated as a single editor. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 15:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)