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Hilite template 2.0 (for learning purposes)

Hi mono, so I went through your template school to help me understand what's going on. I read the sections for the parser functions that Gary King used. I wanted to make it so the text color can be changed (not for the {{hilite}} template, just to see if I can actually do it).

  1. My main namespace User:Keraunoscopia holds the template (modified), and I put the template tests there as well
  2. the core is at User:Keraunoscopia/core; I modified this so the text color is black (I tested it with red, and it worked fine)

I got the text to change color, which was a small victory. But I can't get the text to revert to normal (no highlighting, black text) after the date expires. To get any sign of life, I had to switch {{{3}}} and {{{4}}} around, so now parameter 4 is the date and parameter 3 is the text color. Any ideas where I need to tweak any of the code? Thanks so much! – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 07:37, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll take a look. mono 17:33, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
No worries, actually; I'm making slow progress with some very beginner contributions and this was probably too large of a step at the mo'. I will figure it out, but not right now :D – Kerαunoςcopiagalaxies 01:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if i'm being picky...

...but would you please remove the floating WikiProject advertisement thingy? I find it really annoying. ~NerdyScienceDude () 16:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Add .qxz-ads {display: none;} to your skin.css. Thanks, mono 17:30, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
That blocks all of them. Could you upload a separate version of File:WikiProject Mac Logo.png? Sometimes, the extra text is undesirable--for instance on a template or the WP banner templates, where a plain logo is easiest to see. fetch·comms 19:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)


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For your copyediting efforts during the May 2010 Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive, editing 11 articles with a combined total of 28,596 words, I hereby award you this Old School League of Copyeditors Barnstar. Congratulations and thank you for all your hard work! --Diannaa TALK 03:28, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Glad to help out; I had a lot of fun. When's the next one? mono 03:33, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
July!! Stay tuned .... Diannaa TALK 03:38, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

A bit more advice...

If you are replying to a response on the Help desk such as Updating an article on a person of historical importance, it is sometimes useful to look into it a bit more deeply than just give a 'standard' answer.

There is an article about Eugene Curnow (and that appears to be the only one about a person with that name), and a quick search of Google News/Archive didn't find anything, but a search of Google Web Search did! This one is a copy of this one, which is the reference I added to the article.

Even if that had not been available, look at my reply: if the questioner had been referring to the Curnow we have an article about, then they could respond in more detail - if it was about another Curnow, then I would have added your advice (had you not already done so).

The point I'm trying to make is that on the Help desk (and the New contributors' help page), before replying it is necessary to look into the issue a bit - if you can't find the information, or the article doesn't exist, etc, then perhaps use a template or a 'standard' reply might be suitable, but often more is required!

Regards, -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:46, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Incidently, your advice should have included the fact that the date can be added to the article if there is some reliable source for the information. A BLP subject probably wouldn't be too happy to find that they have been declared to be dead on Wikipedia when they are alive and kicking! -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)


I have read and replied to this message. monosock 15:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC) {{tb}}


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Hey Mono, I saw you moved BigTop to Big Top (application), giving the reason "correct name". As I understand WP:AT and WP:DAB, this was unnecessary. The application is not named Big Top (application). It is named BigTop (according to the article). Therefore, if there is no other article with the name BigTop, no disambiguator is needed. If you don't mind, could you move it back? Thanks, Airplaneman 02:20, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

Grab some glory, and a barnstar

Hi, I'd like to invite you to participate in the Guild of Copy Editors July 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive. In May, about 30 editors helped remove the {{copyedit}} tag from 1175 articles. The backlog is still over 7500 articles, and extends back to the beginning of 2008! We really need your help to reduce it. Copyediting just a couple articles can qualify you for a barnstar. Serious copyeditors can win prestigious and exclusive rewards. See the event page for more information. And thanks for your consideration. ɳorɑfʈ Talk! 14:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

The above three notices were posted to User talk:iBen. ~NerdyScienceDude () 15:41, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it'd be less of a hassle to have User:iBen and User talk:iBen as plain old redirects. Then people can infer that you have changed your name. I doubt people have bookmarked your pages... Airplaneman 16:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for signing up for the July Backlog Elimination Drive! The copyedit backlog stretches back two and a half years, all the way back to the beginning of 2008! We're really going to need all the help we can to get it down to a manageable number. We've ambitiously set a goal of clearing all of 2008 from the backlog this month. In order to do that, we're going to need more participants. Is there anyone that you can invite or ask to participate with you? If so, we're offering an award to the person who brings in the most referrals. Just notify ɳorɑfʈ Talk! or Diannaa TALK of who your referrals are. Once again, thanks for your support! Diannaa TALK 02:22, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
Is it counted on how many people you notify, or how many people sign up? mono 00:44, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
It is how many sign up. Diannaa TALK 02:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
This is excellent! Please continue to keep track here and a tally will be made when the drive opens. Diannaa TALK 03:04, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

monopending changes begin june 15 17:39, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

I have added a few. monopending changes begin june 15 23:17, 13 June 2010 (UTC)


Hi there, I've noticed you've been adding a lot of BLP PRODs to newly created articles today, particularly some footballers. This is all well and good, but I think the idea is that you actually look for sources before placing these tags willy-nilly, or else it creates a lot of work for other editors. Respectfully, BigDom 20:55, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll remove any remaining, as both articles you tagged had references (your tagged version of Craig Strachan, Stephen Hill). Just because there are no inline citations (which are preferable but not required) does not mean they do not have references. Airplaneman 02:26, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
As I said on IRC, it's only detrimental to BLP prod articles which are perfectly notable. If you can't take the time to look for existing sources yourself, don't make others do it on a deadline. fetch·comms 18:43, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

NICE interview (update)

A few weeks ago, you expressed interest in being interviewed about your experiences with the NICE user script. Somehow, that interview didn't get scheduled. I just wanted to let you know that I've managed to squeeze the grant I'm working from a little bit so that I can offer $10 donations to the WMF for each completed interview. If you are still interested, let me know. --EpochFail(talk|work) 16:50, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

It's getting a bit old and annoying

So can you please learn some html and stop copying my userpage ideas? AKA the displaytitle trick. You've copied basically every design I've crafted for a few months now; then you get tired and move onto something else. I'll let this one slide, but in the future, please try to be a bit more creative. fetch·comms 17:37, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Fetchcomms, note that many other users employ that technique. I'll attempt to be "more creative" in the future. Also, I used the displaytitle thing before you used it... monopending changes begin june 15 19:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, I don't see any link to fetchcomm's page or Ale jrb's page on your userpage. To properly attribute, you must provide the link. For example, I have a link to user:Muzemike on my userpage (bottom right) because I copied the frame of my userpage from his. Airplaneman 19:40, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
P.S. I tried to hint at this a few weeks ago here. Airplaneman 19:44, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
I see a link (now)... monosock 20:14, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
{{DISPLAYTITLE:mono's talkpage}} doesn't even make sense... fetch·comms 21:53, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Lolfail. Displaytitle isn't completely magic :P fetch·comms 23:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Misuse of WP:IGLOO

You restored the vandalism on the article Haiti after Elockid (talk · contribs) reverted it, using aWP:IGLOO. The diff is here. Please be more careful reverting in the future. Immunize (talk) 17:55, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Elockid was quick to revert, while I was in the process of reverting, so it got screwed up. I immediately reverted my edit to his/her page; Haiti was reverted too quickly for me to self-revert. Cheers, monopending changes begin june 15 18:03, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Wait a minute—I thought you were against using semi-automated tools such as this? Anyway, this wasn't really misuse, Immunize. I thought igloo warned you when reverting a trusted user, though. I thought igloo warned also when you were reverting and the diff displayed was not the most recent. That is what it does for me, anyway. Airplaneman 20:04, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
Didn't say that for me; probably got mangled in "edit conflict-space". Where did I say that I was against automation? I'm against disruptive automated editing, like a pattern of incorrect reverts. This was one edit; not 10. monosock 20:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

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Your edit page

Why did you make everything on your User talk/edit page in small-font format? It makes editing a very difficult experience. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:09, 14 June 2010 (UTC) Right. Thanks, :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 07:52, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Really, Mono, when you add Papyrus to your header, please insert this </font> at the end. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:52, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Abandoned users

Sorry to have to bring up an old discussion, but I wanted to know if I could move this to this. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 07:52, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

I am adding the finishing touches on your logo. I have been away from computers for ten days, and I apologize for the delay. I should have it for you by the end of today.

Cheers!--Wyatt915 19:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Great! (don't be confused by my current sig; it i temporary for a few days only) monopending changes begin june 15 00:31, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Semi prot

Hey mono, just FYI, cascading protection doesn't work for semi- it can only be used with full protection. Btw, you might want to change the link in your editnotice from WP:ATTACK, which goes to Wikipedia:Attack page to WP:NPA. :) Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:24, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.
self-whack (we've been there, done that)! Changed the link, btw. monopending changes begin june 15 00:35, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


Should I MfD this? Eight years and still no progress. The article has zero refs and four sentences. Also it reads like something out of wiktdef. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh no you don't! Yes it might qualify, but common sense trumps all. Underworld is quite the important topic (Greek mythology and tons more). Try improving it. Btw, you want AfD, not MfD for article deletions. mono 01:02, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the truth was I proposed merging it into a section of Hell on the talk page, as well as giving an explanation of Nether regions which refers to both. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Well, I think it's notable enough on its own, but you could be bold and suggest a merge (I don't recommend it). mono 01:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

iPhone image

Hi! I noticed you edited iPhone and changed the lead image. I'd like you to give your input on the talk page. Cheers, HereToHelp (talk to me) 04:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


What do you think? Please let me know if you want changes; the image can be altered in minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyatt915 (talkcontribs)

I like it, especially the background. However, a couple tweaks would be cool: a tiny bit brighter background (more glowing) and perhaps we could try a different font (I personally tend to like Myriad Pro semibold). Beyond that, thank you so much: I really like it! mono 20:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for the kind smile. AirplaneProRadioChecklist 18:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


Can you give the answer to my question here? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 04:11, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Shove: I don't really get the question... Otherwhise, I'd be glad to help. Oh, helpful talkpage stalkers, answer my call! mono 20:30, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Not sure, but it looks like he wanted to MfD the two userpages because the users were inactive. That's the way I read anyway. PrincessofLlyr royal court 21:00, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
I'd say, leave 'em be. Unless there's something wrong with them, don't bother. mono 21:01, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Alright, then. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 21:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)


Ummm... I can't really see the igloo... which is being covered by the giant red X... :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 21:59, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Works fine for me. There's always something wrong with topicons. They've never been fully reliable, because when they look great for some, the look messed up for others. For example, in Chrome, the "Mono is Offline" appears right below the line, while in Firefox, it appears further below the line. For whatever configuration you're using, it overlaps it. There's really no way to get them perfect AFAIK. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:14, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. mono 22:24, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
By the way, I use IE 7 (generally, but using Firefox it looks fine). :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 23:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
TeleCom...: the AIV report you made was declined, remember to report usernames at WP:UAA, not WP:AIV. mono 22:28, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, but he had vandalism+username, not just username (which was not provocative to me, per se, but probably to a lot of others). :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 22:35, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
How do I report sockpuppetry? It appears that this user and this user have the same agenda (omega point tipler), the same reasoning (copy and paste edit summaries, argue ad nauseam, edit war) and generally have the same enemies (admins). :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 23:07, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Tel: You can report them at WP:SPI, but read this section and the other instructions first. mono 19:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Super: You may be interested in here; I left a message about ANAB. mono 22:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Hmm...I'll look at it in a sec and see if I can do anything about it (that's what you want me to do, right?). However, I think there's already a problem. According to this, the name for the feed is not supposed to have any spaces or non-letter characters in it. The name you put, however, has both a space and a period. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 22:40, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
All righty, I think I've got how the rules work. The thing is, it's up to you to put in all the rules, as it requires you to enter keywords that would make the article fall under WikiProject Apple Inc. As a result, I've edited the rules page (Edit: Moved to here) as an example for you to follow. I'll try to explain how the rules work in a more simplistic and less confusing fashion than that of the official instruction page, if that's all right.
First, I'll tell you how it works in a nutshell. On the rules page, you specify certain words and associate a point value to them. Whenever a new article is created, the bot searches the article to see whether or not any of those specified words are present. If and when it detects one of the words, it adds the point value for the word in a running total. If the total point value meets or surpasses a certain point value, known as the threshold, the bot lists that article for the WikiProject once the search if completed.
Now here's the technical stuff. The stuff in red is the actual code; the stuff in black are the labels I've put it.
@@15@@ <--The number in between the at-signs is the threshold point value
10/\WMac/ <--This is a rule; the bot looks for the word "Mac", and if found, it adds ten points.
15/\WApple/ <--This is another rule; the bot looks for the word "Apple", and if found, it adds fifteen points.
The threshold value is pretty self-explanatory. Moving on to the rules: as you can see, the point value goes first, followed by a foward slash and "\W". The reason why "\W" is placed there is that it makes it so that "Mac" is the only keyword recognized in the article; otherwise, any part of the keyword would work, such as "Ma". After the "\W", you place the keyword. You then finish it off with another forward slash.
One other thing to note: if the keyword appears in the lead of the article, double the points are added to the total. So for example, if the word "Mac" appears in the lead of an article, twenty points would be added instead of the normal ten points. As a result, the article would be automatically added to the new pages list of the WikiProject (unless a negative value is specified for another keyword, taking it back down to below 15).
There are some other things you can mess with to make the rules even more specific, but I don't think those are necessary at this point (and, I also don't feel like learning how they work). Hope this helps; if it still doesn't make sense, you can ask about whatever you're confused about, or perhaps EdoDodo can help you out better. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:44, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for such a in-depth reply. I played with it in my sandbox, and I'll work more on it later. Cheers! mono 19:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Going on with the Apple Inc.-theme...I was quite shocked to learn that I never received my apple with a bite taken out of it for assessing more than 0 articles for the Backlog Elimination Drive for May 2010. I cry blasphemy! Or was the award so low-key that it wasn't even awarded? Face-espiegle.svg ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 05:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)


Hello, Mono, I have a question for you, if you happen to know some Wikicode. What parameters do you have to set for this:

{{archives | auto = {{{auto|no}}} | root = {{{root|}}} | links = {{{links|}}} | 1 = {{{1|}}} | image = {{{image|Replacement filing cabinet.svg}}} | style = {{#if:{{{box-width|}}}|width:{{{box-width}}};}} {{{style|}}} | collapsible = {{{collapsible|}}} | collapsed = {{{collapsed|}}} | search = {{{search|no}}} | search-break = {{{search-break|}}} | search-width = {{{search-width|}}} | search-button-label = {{{button-label|}}} | index = {{{index|}}} | title = {{{title|[[Help:Archiving a talk page|Archives]]}}} | editbox = {{{editbox|no}}} | bot = {{{bot|}}} | age = {{{age|}}} | units = {{{units|days}}} | botnotesmall = {{{botnotesmall|}}} }}

so that I can manually archive without a bot watching over me, and the title that it displays is changed from "Archives" to "Previous", as well as having different titles in Archive sections like "Piggy Bank". (P.S. I'm supposed to be asleep but I've got some case of insomnia.)—Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Tel, is that you? As far as I can tell, it is all detailed at Template:Archives#Parameters. For the custom titles, you can create this page, similar to this page and use {{archives|archivelist= /archivelist}}, which makes it read from User talk:Mono/archivelist (or whatever your username is). Finally, you can use |title=YOUR TITLE to set the title. See example above. The help desk might be able to help even more if you need it, or you could keep asking me. PS, Wikipedia cannot offer medical advice (for your insomnia) mono 19:33, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll keep the title parameter in mind and also take a look at the other parameters on the page. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Mono, I've nearly figured out how to do the archiving on my talk page, but the "test" page (that is, this code:May 2010) is not appearing underneath "Previous stuff". Could you (or one of your tps) help me here? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done mono 04:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 04:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

WP Report on WP Universities

Hey mono. Would you be interested in doing a Report on WikiProject Universities for either August 2 or 9? I can't do it myself since I'm pretty active over there. Featuring WP Univ in early August would be nice since college students typically go back to school in mid to late August. On a related note, I'm starting to put questions together for the WP Apple interview. I expect you'll want to be in the interview, but who else would you recommend I contact? -Mabeenot (talk) 05:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I'd be happy to do a WP Universities report, and early August sounds good. I put a note on the talk page, and all the participants in the backlog drive would be good (Airplaneman*, NSD, SuperHamster, and EdoDodo. The ones with stars did quite a bit, you can see for yourself at Wikipedia:APPLE/A#Backlog. If you have any more questions (about getting the interview together, I'll be sure to answer the interview questions), ping me here. monosock 15:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Re: Welcome to the team

Heh. I was adding myself to reflect the current state of affairs, I've done a fair bit of writing in the past, but it lapsed for a while. I hope to keep it up this time around :) Thanks for your welcome nonetheless, it's nice to be noticed! - Jarry1250 [Humorous? Discuss.] 15:54, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Nether region

How come refs are not allowed on DAB pages? And does this page meet the CSD if it contains only definitions? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:59, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Might want to bring it up with the person who removed them. Airplaneman 01:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
The guidelines seem to be a this page. mono 01:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

User:Monomium... now a Reviewer, but I didn't think you'd want this message on the talkpage there. —DoRD (talk) 16:27, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! monosock 17:09, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Rollbacker or reviewer? I see only the former, so I'm guessing a misclick? fetch·comms 23:48, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Prolly a misclick, I did request a rollback flag as well. monosock 23:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Well snap, that's not what I meant to do. Anyway, your sock now has both bits. Sorry for the mixup. —DoRD (talk) 00:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! mono 01:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)


I already have a "Welcome" on my talk page and I also already have a username. I have no need for significant attribution so usually choose to not edit under my username. (talk) 22:29, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Didn't know that. mono 22:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Now you do. (talk) 22:39, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Einsteinewton/Super Mega Awesome Special Secret Page


While I'm MfD'ing this guy's secret page, he appears to have been on Wikibreak. He hasn't made a single edit since July of 2008. (BTW, how do you close MfDs? Or is that restricted to admins, of which you are one?) :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 18:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how to close them, but Mono isn't an admin, just so you know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brambleclawx (talkcontribs)
Heh, his, ahem, partner in (secret pages?), Misscutie27, appears to have disappeared off the map as well, herself having had a secret page that was deleted. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 19:10, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
What to do with them? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 19:13, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I am not an admin, but I know admins (perhaps too well) and I'd steer clear of NACs. Go ahead and MfD secret pages. Brambleclawx: sine ur posts and give me a review at Wikipedia:Editor_review/Mono_(4), please!puppy-dog face kitty-cat face —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monomium (talkcontribs) 22:42, 22 June 2010 Oh, the hypocrisy!

Vandalism Pages

By the way, I created a separate discussion for Vandalism Pages under Wikipedia_talk:User_pages#Vandalspaces. If anybody would like to comment, please do so. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 19:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

I went on a rampage a while back, but lost the spirit. Let's make a RfC for more input. monosock 22:38, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
I have filed a RfC. monosock 22:56, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
This has been discussed before with no consensus as the outcome. Don't feel like looking for the link. There are better things to do than argue over secret pages, IMHO. Airplaneman 01:29, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Just want to point out: Secret pages ≠ Vandal pages ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You're talking about secret pages, which are in the comment section above. Vandalism pages are said to be way more disruptive. And in regards to the comments above, like I said, the secret page is useless as the user has abandoned it. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:51, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Userpage issues

A recent editor (which I won't mention due to privacy purposes) has expressed concern about the neutrality of my userpage. Now I'm not sure if a userpage has to be neutral, as there are plenty of userboxes out there that are not meant to be neutral and still allowed on a userpage. Do you think you could give me some feedback about my userpage? P.S. Being a minor seems tough. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

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? Airplaneman 01:22, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

As in LOL! :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 01:52, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
The new user might not get the right impression. Maybe you could post in a new thread, mono? I wouldn't mind that. Airplaneman 01:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

WP Apple in the Signpost

WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Apple Inc. for a Signpost article to be published in July. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Also, if you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 02:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for dealing with the vandal on my userpage. Ilikepieittastesgood 03:05, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Glad to help. mono 16:14, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

WP report on The Signpost

It's good! I hope you don't mind that I've made a few edits. BTW, I prefer to have a low profile, and it was rather kind of Nilotpal to put my name on the Sister projects article this week—definitely not expected. Tony (talk) 09:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Mono, you are too kind as well! One thing I notice is that the photos are mostly US-related. Are you sold on use of the horizontal gallery at the top? The very first pic I've always thought was magnificent, and it needs to be a little larger.
May I pester one or two of the members for some morsels of extra info? Whom do you suggest? Tony (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
Go ahead and pester them. I try to use featured content (there's none on enWP, so I went to commons), which is a little US-heavy. I'm still playing with the images, so you can change them if you like. It looks different on every computer... monosock 17:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)


It's just died on me. :( I have to go anyway. Maybe I'll talk to you again some time. :) Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 17:25, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 17:32, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Macintosh FAR

Hey mono. Seeing as you are one of WP:APPLE's most active members, I was wondering if you could provide assistance at the above article's current FAR. More editors are needed to address the issues within the coming days to prevent the article's delisting should the problems not be fixed within the given time frame. Thanks, Airplaneman 02:45, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Delisting*. fetch·comms 13:46, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Ah, yes; thanks FC. Fixed. Airplaneman 17:23, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


Hi mono, With all due respect, I ask that you remove some of the userboxes from this page. The reason for this is that it is adding you to category such as Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to grant rollback requests. This can be quite misleading. Regards, Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 18:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the redlink is self-explanatory. mono 23:02, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. Rock drum (talk·contribs·guestbook) 15:09, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

RFC: Vandalspaces

Hi Mono; just want to say that it's probably a better idea to make a separate proposal at Wikipedia_talk:User_pages#Just_a_note_.28and_a_page_break.29 below the old one along with all of its comments, rather than to just cross out your old one and replace it with a new one. It'll get confusing, since there's already a bunch of comments and opposes for the old one. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 23:42, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Uncivilized (Texas In July single)

Hello Mono. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Uncivilized (Texas In July single), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: A7 does not apply to records. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:53, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

A question.

You wouldn't happen to know anything about javascript, would you? If you do, I would love some help with something. ~~ Hi878 (Come yell at me!) 03:49, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Come on; I know you're online. :) ~~ Hi878 (Come yell at me!) 03:56, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Dang it! Gone now. ~~ Hi878 (Come yell at me!) 04:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, I'm not online. I'll try if you post it here, but I may end up referring you to TheDJ who's great with it. mono 17:37, 25 June 2010 (UTC)
Never mind; I had someone else help me. ~~ Hi878 (Come yell at me!) 03:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


Dear Mono, I would now like to get out of the mentor program. I have learned a lot and am now an autopatroller, reviewer and rollbacker. I thank you for your help and wish you good luck for the future. Regards, Tim (Cervidae) 14:38, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Glad to hear it! mono 17:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Cervidae 17:21, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


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Do you know if SimpleVote works with vector? -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 18:30, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Yep, except you have to vote from the main page (list of all AfDs, like at WP:AFD/T) and click vote (which is next to "edit"). Also, it seems to work in Firefox only. mono 18:35, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I see. Cool. -- Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 18:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)


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[2] --Jubileeclipman 01:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

hahahahahahahaha... wait, what? mono 01:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
uhhh..., :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 02:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
On my system, your logo is so high up that it actually hides the diffs. Not so much "LOL!" as "???", then, maybe... --Jubileeclipman 10:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
My system too. Deal with it. mono 17:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Really? Do you use Windows XP with IE 7? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 18:42, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
No, I use Mac OS X Snow Leopard on a MacBook Pro, with Safari 5. mono 18:43, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
@Jubilee: try zooming as far out as possible. Airplaneman 01:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

←All, please review me. Thanks. mono 03:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, I just need you to get that notice off your talk page. When it keeps following my screen around, it kinda gets annoying. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks from WP:SHIPS

Patina Barnstar with Helm.png WikiProject Ships Barnstar
On behalf of WP:SHIPS and The Ancient Order of the Deep, I award you this Barnstar for your smashing work to publicize the project and its efforts at the Wikipedia Signpost. HausTalk 19:55, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Signpost article

Mono, got a very helpful email response from one editor at Ships. RL work is suddenly highly pressured, but despite this, I'll be back to the page Sunday/Monday. Is it OK if I rationalise the pics? Tony (talk) 08:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Do whatever you like, I'll finish up any loose ends. mono 17:13, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Mono, the new horizontal arrangements of the pics were allowing bits of text to leak upward, between the Iowa and the box, and between each pair of pics further down, depending on how wide one's window is. That's why I experimented with making them larger (larger than is appropriate, I think, and so does The ed on my talk page). Haus now suggests "putting <div style="width:700px;"> on the first line and </div> on the last line. This will prevent pictures from squishing together." I guess I'll try it. Tony (talk) 09:57, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand the reference to "summer reading" at the bottom. It's the middle of winter and I'm freezing. Is next week's WikiProject report about libraries? <puzzled face> Tony (talk) 11:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)


Hello Mono, your input would be appreciated at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Apple Inc.#NA Class Assessment. Thank you, and happy editing! - EdoDodo talk 16:32, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I've added another few suggestions there, you may want to take a look at it. - EdoDodo talk 14:47, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

MOTD Edit summary

Heh, do you realise that you have made a rather silly mistake in this edit? :P Kayau Voting IS evil 05:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Striking of IP votes

I have reverted your striking of (talk · contribs)'s contribution to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wood conversion to Btu. Though IP votes may be given less weight by the closing admin, they should not be stricken if they are not vandalism. This is the second time I have had to correct you about AfDs. Please be more careful in the future. Cunard (talk) 06:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Editor Review (4)

You do realize that having one notice is enough, right? And you centered everything in the edit section (which I fixed). :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 21:54, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

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They want to close the nom, and I'm not that eager to stop them. There's a lot to go through, and it really isn't fair to keep the FARC people waiting this long. I think we should let it be delisted, because it's not getting worked on. HereToHelp (talk to me) 01:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Sunglasses

How did you get that? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 17:30, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Magic. And now it is gone. mono 17:33, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Basic parserfunctions; check the code. fetch·comms 22:27, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
Ummm... yeah. Could you explain it in English? All's I see is your /notice and /header. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 04:07, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Read the code for that. It's a subpage. /header is User talk:Mono/header (uses the page name as the base page), so the code is at User talk:Mono/header. All that does is show the image if the page size is small. fetch·comms 14:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, I was looking at User:Mono/header, which obviously doesn't have it. But User talk:Mono/header appears as a blank page on my screen. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 15:15, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Click "edit", where you'll see all the coding. Obviously, don't actually edit/save anything, unless you know what you're doing, and I doubt Mono wants you messing around with his stuff anyways. Brambleclawx 15:18, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
You have to look at the wikicode in the edit window. –xenotalk 15:17, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Brambleclawx and Xeno. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 15:36, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Mono, please review Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia and ensure that you provide proper attribution for any material you borrow from other users' userspace. –xenotalk 14:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Xeno, I've done that already... mono 17:28, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
By already, you mean 'now'? Thanks. FYI just an attribution in the edit summary is enough (for me, anyhow) - like I did in an sms edit here. –xenotalk 17:30, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

Automatic Importance Tagging

Hello Mono, your input would be appreciated at User:DodoBot/AppleImportance. Thank you, and happy editing! - EdoDodo talk 05:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

How did you get that anti-flagged revisions ad?

Up until a few days ago, you had an Wiki-ad on your talk page that opposes flagges revisions. I can't figure out how to make my talk page show only that ad. Help is appreciated. Thanks, Ilikepieittastesgood 03:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

You mean, like this? If you take a look at the Wikicode, you'll see {{User:Neurolysis/No}}. Maybe that's it. Simply put it on your talkpage when you edit. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 05:52, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


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--Forty twoWhat colour is the bikeshed? 05:58, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

So you decided to use it! Great. :D--Forty twoWhat colour is the bikeshed? 17:56, 1 July 2010 (UTC)


Would you like me to Nominate you as an administrator? (When you return) Ilikepieittastesgood 05:19, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

First of all, thank you for the offer. I appreciate the support of my fellow Wikipedians. However, I have a handful of reasons to avoid a RfA at this time. I honestly don't think I'd ever pass this year, as I have some skeletons in my closet. Not to hurt your feelings, but nominations from new users rarely pass (see Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/The Utahraptor for an example.) I appreciate your offer greatly, however, I have reasons for declining. Remember, you can always share your feelings about me at my ongoing editor review. Regards, mono 16:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Michigan train wreck

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Michigan train wreck at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for George H. Eldridge

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Can I answer some questions about the project? I am an active member. Thanks! Belugaboy 16:30, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure. mono 22:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Outline of Google

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Not to steal your thunder...

... but wasn't this message quite redundant? :) I am watching this page, so please reply here.Timneu22 · talk 17:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Not completely. mono 17:49, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
If you say so. I'd find it odd to receive both of those messages. Oh well. Cheers. — Timneu22 · talk 17:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I've delivered similar combinations before; the first one is warning the user not to create inappropriate pages, and the second is advising them how to draft a page and make sure it meets policy before moving it to article space; they're quite handy when used together actually. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 18:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


Here. –xenotalk 23:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


Are you sure you don't want an RfA? ACCESS DENIED 02:10, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

If you have been through it yourself, you will know that it's a week of hell. Airplaneman Review? 02:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
OK, I'm going to be blunt. I'm not ready. It's not that I don't want to serve the community, it's just that I know I'd never "win" at the moment. mono 04:03, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Like the new username, btw! mono 04:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Smart man... not to be demaining or anything, but I have to agree, I don't think Mono would pass at this current time either. I don't remember the specifics that I have his page on my watch list, but I know that it was only a month or two ago that I added it and that there were some "issues" at that time. I think they revolved around closings of AfDs? If my memory serves me correctly, he should wait a little longer so that he can point to that event as a "learning" experience and demonstrate how he didn't have any issues after it. 1 or 2 months isn't enough time to demonstrate that.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 14:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
He's already at editor review. I think an RfA would be just more work on top of that pile. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 14:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Not really, Tel... I just have some skeletons in the closet that I'd like to let wither! Airplaneman is right; @Balloonman: I've closed a couple of AfDs (correctly) since then, but I've certainly left "active participation" there. monohow's my driving? 17:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
You don't have to leave active participation there... in fact, if you continue there, error free, that is the best testimony that you've learned from your mistakes. But at least two different admins' came to your page to talk to you about your close (and if I remember correctly, there was an ANI report---that I might have started?) would make holding off a smart move.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 20:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

←Well, White Shadows just failed, so that makes me even more sure... monohow's my driving? 21:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Stupid question, but...

Why did you mark DiskDoubler" as having no references when it has a section called "references" with two items, one of which lists much of the content of the body? Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:14, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

... that's because you didn't mark it that. I need a beer. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Ref #1 really isn't a (good) ref, unless the conversation is published, just so you know. monohow's my driving? 20:17, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


"I said it was "pure vandalism" which is clearly G3. The userpage is vandalism. It's a huge nonsense text dump by Anon IPs onto someone else's userpage. Burpelson AFB (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

G1 is not valid for userpages. Burpelson AFB (talk) 01:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Please tag it as G3, then. mono(how's my driving?) 01:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok. Burpelson AFB (talk) 01:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Crocodile Tears (novel)

On June 8, an IP user deleted some vandalism, and then you reverted him, probably assuming that any edit from an IP was malicious.
Cheers, Varlaam (talk) 02:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Or maybe it was a mistake. AGF would be a good thing to do here. And mono, please be careful :). Airplaneman Review? 03:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
I think editors get bleary-eyed having to fix so much rubbish all the time. Varlaam (talk) 03:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Whoa. I don't even remember reverting that. You're right about the "bleary-eyed" stuff (that's how I feel now!) mono(how's my driving?) 04:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Discussion report

Hi, if you need assistance, I wonder whether it might help if a list of possible discussions were created and the reportage of them then allocated to share the burden. Or is it the identification of the list in the first place that is the issue? I'm a newbie to this, although I remember reading a few reports a while back. Tony (talk) 05:51, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I've never done a Discussion Report, so it's new to me. Honestly, we could change it as much as we like... I'm compiling a list of discussions to cover, but help with that is needed. mono(how's my driving?) 17:27, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
I'd be willing to help but, like mono, have never done a discussion report before. Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 17:33, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, let's change that. mono(how's my driving?) 17:34, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Seeing as we're both online, should we use the Wikipedia Signpost IRC? Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 17:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, I had the bad luck of downloading FF4, which broke my IRC app. monosock 17:42, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
IRC would be great, except I don't know nothin' about IRCs. What application do I "choose" in the dialogue box? I'm going to bed, anyway. Could I just say that we probably need to ration the coverage—I don't know ... to the recent and what we think the readers will find interesting? We can't possibly catch up with everything since the last appearance of the Discussion report. Tony (talk) 17:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

←Urm, yeah. I'm amazed at the quantity of stuff. Recent discussions only, please. Tony: see this. monosock 17:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

We could just do it from the past week. It would be extremely long if it was from the last discussion report. I've taken a quick look, but was the last one in December last year? Thanks, Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 17:57, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
yeah. mono(how's my driving?) 18:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, Mono. Do you already have a list of possible discussions to choose from at the draft page? Perhaps we could make such a list at the top for our use, and debate the priorities and order. WP:Centralized discussion might be a start. Then the RfCs. Then the lively talk-page discussions.Tony (talk) 18:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
That seems the best way. See also Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom/Resources#Discussion_Report. mono(how's my driving?) 18:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
I would find lively talk page discussions wuite interesting, although I can't speak for the rest of the community. Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 18:15, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Home invasion in Britain

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hi Mono. You objected to the speedy deletion tag I'd put on Home invasion in Britain. So what is the procedure after merging pages to delete the superfluous page? There isn't much activity, but people have had ample time to respond and the consensus was (I thought - you may disagree) that 'Home invasion in Britain' should be merged into Munir Hussain and victims' rights. You asked me to review the criteria, but I had already done so and this section is why I tagged it "Before nominating a page for speedy deletion, consider whether it could be improved, reduced to a stub, merged or redirected elsewhere, reverted to a better previous revision ..." Aarghdvaark (talk) 09:36, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

I'd just redirect it to the other page, or if the redirect falls under any speedy deletion criteria here, tag it as that. mono(how's my driving?) 17:22, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
OK thanks Aarghdvaark (talk) 17:49, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

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Your new layout

Just a note: The black apple covers a part of the first section's header. Brambleclawx 18:06, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, how awful! Face-tongue.svg mono(how's my driving?) 18:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
BTW, I've also just fixed a link in your header. Rock drum Ba-dumCrash 18:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Other than the apple, I quite like the pretty blue banner. It's nice. Face-smile.svgBrambleclawx 18:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Same; the apple covers the first header. And it displays as gray for me. Airplaneman Review? 01:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Tried a fix using <br />. Feel free to revert if you don't like it. Airplaneman Review? 01:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
I just noticed there are no links to your archives anymore. Airplaneman Review? 01:52, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
  • Hm, the new layout is nice but it doesn't properly attribute the images which are not in the public domain. You will need to find some way to attribute the authors of these images since you've replaced the link to their description pages with links to your user pages. For an example where this is done properly, see User:Jack Merridew (on a day he is not displaying a public domain image; like today). –xenotalk 01:51, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
    Thanks. (Someone should probably drop User:AxG a note, too). Another way to do this would be something like the following. –xenotalk 16:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)