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Sandbox invite[edit]

Anyone may play in my sandboxes, in the archive list to the right, IF you promise to behave. This means:

  • No kicking sand
  • No hitting other people over the head with toys
  • No pooping, even if you are a cat and neatly cover it up!
  • It's my sandbox, so I can throw you out if you misbehave!  :-)
Typical talk page discussion thread

"[The] readers will not be privy to the massive undercurrents of dross that underpins WP. They require well written, well sourced, encyclopaedic material that can inform, enlighten and satisfy their interest."

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"We live a time when criticism, especially here on Wikipedia, is considered to be a personal attack, which is at the root of this nonsense. Yet without criticism we can't improve."

—The user formerly known as Malleus Fatuorum
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14 October 2016

"Montana, you know I respect you greatly--you write FAs that have fewer adjectives than that outburst."


"Every edit, especially bold ones, is disruptive. Disruptive just means changing the status quo and because Wikipedia is in a constant state of evolution, it is in a constant state of disruption ..."

—User: Liz

Before you post on my talk page (humor)[edit]

Happy Montanabw's Day![edit]

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User:Montanabw has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Montanabw's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Montanabw!

01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. RlevseTalk 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw(talk) 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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'tis the season

Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Precious translates to the PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

This is cool[edit]

Parking the link:

Happy Fourth of July![edit]

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Here's hoping you have a great Fourth of July! White Arabian Filly Neigh

NPP & AfC[edit]

A dedicated venue for combined discussion about NPP & AfC where a work group is also proposed has been created. See: Wikipedia:The future of NPP and AfC --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:23, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

question you might be able to help with[edit]

Hi. Over at the Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science someone has asked a question about "Tying up a horse in old TV shows and movies". I was wondering whether you might be interested in this. DrChrissy (talk) 18:41, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, I actually could answer that one! Montanabw(talk) 20:11, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I thought you would be able to. Thanks for the explanation - very helpful. It's a question I have also asked myself. DrChrissy (talk) 20:15, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
My dad would sometimes tie up horses with the reins in a knot, but not for long periods of time, and mostly in quiet spots; I don't recall much trouble with broken reins back then. Once I learned that there were other ways, I quit doing it (Note, this would have been when I joined 4-H at about age 10...). I remember one time some idiot at a rodeo tied a horse with bridle reins to a portable pipe panel, the horse set back, the reins were nylon, so they didn't break, plus the panels were not attached to posts, so the horse completely freaked from the combo of bit pain, clanking panels, and whatever spooked it in the first place and basically pulled over a couple of cattle pens before the weight stopped him and somehow, someone got the horse loose, probably cut the reins... no idea how bad the horse's mouth was, but I've seen some horrific photos of horses with half-severed tongues from things like that. When the choice is the horse gets loose or the horse is horribly injured, well, the only time to risk the latter is if the former is somehow an even greater danger, which it seldom is (someone on WP once mentioned tying a horse by a busy highway if your trailer rig had a breakdown, loose horse getting hit by a car AND people also getting hurt versus the horse getting injured from fighting a rope. Yeah, maybe that one...except generally you wouldn't unload the horse in the first place) Montanabw(talk) 20:34, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I bet a lot of people used to tie by the reins in the pre-car days because it was hard to carry lead ropes and halters all over the place. Plus, if you were a real cowboy you would have been going through brush, and a lariat rope was enough to have to deal with getting caught on branches and junk. The practice seems to have died out or been replaced by ground tying (training the horse to stand still when the reins are dropped on the ground). One side note, in most of the movies I've seen the people would simply throw the rein over the hitch rail and not actually tie them to it. I don't know if that was historical or just a product of Hollywood, though. Tying by the bridle can hurt the horse, but I've seen people tie them up with hackamores too, and that can probably hurt a horse just as bad. That and those stupid rope halters half the world insists on using (those things will skin a horse's head up). White Arabian Filly Neigh 21:00, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
WAF - your comments are interesting and pertinent to the question at the reference desk. Can I suggest you comment over there to inform the readers. DrChrissy (talk) 21:38, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
OK, I commented over there. A lot of people probably don't know about ground tying, as it's more a western thing that developed from cowboys working in areas where there were no trees. It's useful for all horses though---the guy who taught me rode primarily saddle seat and he taught every horse he had to ground tie. He said he started doing it after he went on a trail ride in the state park and was stopped when his horse saw an endurance ride, freaked out and took off, leaving him behind. (That was a funny story because of his description of his horse "runnin' a hundred miles an hour" back to where he had parked the horse trailer. Besides, the thought of him chasing it was funny, because he was sort of fat.) White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:01, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Hackamores would be equally problematic for tying up horses, the heavier nosebands can really hurt! Oh and thank you WAF for sharing my opinion of rope halters!!! Montanabw(talk) 22:34, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Architecture & Women in Archaeology editathons[edit]

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October 2016

Women in Architecture & Women in Archaeology editathons
Faciliated by Women in Red

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(To subscribe, Women in Red/Invite list. Unsubscribe, Women in Red/Opt-out list) --Rosiestep (talk) 20:05, 24 September 2016 (UTC) via MassMessaging

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for gracefully and artfully doing your part to address the systemic gender bias on Wikipedia. Your efforts do not go unnoticed. #girlpower Safehaven86 (talk) 05:20, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Agricultural waste[edit]

Well, that's a bit annoying. I admit I hadn't checked the content of the two cited handbooks for the figures; mea culpa. It's quite possible they are in there, hidden in the many tables, but I can't find them either at this point. It appears the Cowspiracy people made a stab at good sourcing but didn't quite carry it through :/

As for the dead EPA link, that at least had the stated content and worked two days ago, so I imagine it may come back online. Thanks for your verifications! -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 07:15, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Greg Gianforte[edit]

What exactly was wrong with my edit on Greg Gianforte? His article states that he is known for his connections with Christians groups, so I don't see why his infobox shouldn't reflect that. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:25, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

Many different types of Christians, they are not one unified group; he's a particular type of conservative fundamentalist Christian who has expressed belief in Young Earth creationism. That is not a universal "Christian" belief. Find a denomination or affiliation. Montanabw(talk) 02:23, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
Yes, he belongs to a specific denomination/tradition of Christianity, but he is still a Christian nonetheless, as opposed to some other religion. Do we have to put the specific denomination/affiliation in the infobox to include it there? --1990'sguy (talk) 19:55, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
I would. The differences, for example, between a Catholic and a mainstream Protestant and a Mormon are pretty substantial, and I think Gianforte is some sort of evangelical or fundamentalist; though he doesn't speak much about it in public and his local church is described as "nondenominational" (which usually means "evangelical or fundamentalist"). It would be like listing the leader of a Middle East nation as "Muslim" without specifying Shi'ite or Sunni. Kind of a big deal. Montanabw(talk) 20:35, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
That's a fair point. Would you please show me the source that states which church Gianforte attends? --1990'sguy (talk) 00:33, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Gladly, 1990'sguy: "...his nondenominational church" "for a non-denominational Christian and conservative Republican" ("Non-denominational" being a buzzword for churches that are generally in the conservative/evangelical camp. See [1]). Montanabw(talk) 03:39, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! I added this to Gianforte's article. I think simply saying "Nondenominational Christianity" is fine is fine for the infobox. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:39, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that works and is sourceable. Montanabw(talk) 22:54, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

GA Cup Announcement[edit]

WikiProject Good Articles's 2016-2017 GA Cup
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Greetings, all!

We would like to announce the start of the 4th GA Cup, a competition that seeks to encourage the reviewing of Good article nominations! Thus far, there have been three GA Cups, which were successful in reaching our goals of significantly reducing the traditionally long queue at GAN, so we're doing it again. Currently, there are over 400 nominations listed. We hope that we can again make an impact this time.

The 4th GA Cup will begin on November 1, 2016. Four rounds are currently scheduled (which will bring the competition to a close on February 28, 2017), but this may change based on participant numbers. We may take a break in December for the holidays, depending on the results of a poll of our participants taken shortly after the competition begins. The sign-up and submissions process will remain the same, as will the scoring.

Sign-ups for the upcoming competition are currently open and will close on October 31, 2016. Everyone is welcome to join; new and old editors, so sign-up now!

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Horse communication with humans[edit]

Hello horse-kind, are you across this one: Regards, wolf-kind  William Harris |talk  07:32, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

The Rambling Man arbitration proposed decision posted[edit]

A proposed decision has been posted in the open The Rambling Man arbitration page. Please review this decision and draw the arbitrators' attention to any relevant material or statements. Comments may be brought to the attention of the committee on the proposed decision talk page. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. If you are not a party, you may opt out of further notifications regarding this case at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man/Mass Message List. For the Arbitration Committee, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:36, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

A situation that might be of interest[edit]

Hello M. I hope you are well. I saw this Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Strange editor and thought that rescuing any of the articles might be right in your wheel house. I also know you might be too busy to follow up but I wanted to let you know just in case. Have you had any snow yet? The leaves are falling like crazy here. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 20:58, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

Just rain so far... Montanabw(talk) 21:06, 3 October 2016 (UTC)
Good to know. Thanks for your posts at the various noticeboards about this situation. MarnetteD|Talk 21:43, 3 October 2016 (UTC)

RfC for page patroller qualifications[edit]

Following up from the consensus reached here, the community will now establish the user right criteria. You may wish to participate in this discussion. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:40, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

WikiConference N. America[edit]

Your presentation today was fantastic! Thanks for all your work on the conference. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:08, 9 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I am glad you liked it! Montanabw(talk) 22:30, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
Agreed, very well presented and great way of humanizing the importance of great content creation. By the way, the recent editing incident regarding Cow tipping is here. The editor seems to be trying to discount upcoming sources in the article body. It may be reverted by now, or re-un-reverted again. - Brianhe (talk) 22:59, 9 October 2016 (UTC)
A question, is it OK with you if I mark Act for the Government and Protection of Indians as created/improved during the conference with {{WikiConference North America 2016}}? Is there anything else I may do this for? - Brianhe (talk) 21:22, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Go for it. More articles at that one here: [2] additional articles listed at each of the other editathon page links too: [3], [4] and [5]. Montanabw(talk) 23:49, 11 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I think I got them. If you were working on Secretariat (horse) during the conference, feel free to slap {{WikiConference North America 2016}} on it (or anything else). - Brianhe (talk) 03:16, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Cow tipping[edit]

Would you mind weighing in on the talk page, after your "let's discuss extensive changes at talk" revert a few days ago? Your restoration of the ambiguous sentence "Whether cow tipping is an urban legend, or are a set of tall tales is disputed." seems at odds with your other reverts, and I'm wondering if that one was made in error. --McGeddon (talk) 09:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Am slowly recovering from the WikiCon. Patience, please. Montanabw(talk) 17:42, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

New problems with Rhode Island Red[edit]

You may remember my problems with Rhode Island Red concerning the article on Julius von Schlosser. See also this edit from Dr Blofeld's talk page. I did not contribute to Wikipedia for several months. Now I added some information to the article on HA Schult, and one or two hours later my old opponent User:Rhode Island Red has reappeared on the scene, removing content from the said article, falsely claiming that major exhibition catalogs and other publications are not reliable sources and such things (see, for instance, [6]) and now saying that the Washington Post article does not contain the removed information, although he himself included it in the main text of the article some years ago (see [7]). He even changed the wording of some parts of the text, thereby changing the original meaning supported by the given sources (see [8]). He also questions the notabilty of art historian Wolf Tegethoff (see [9]), presumably because I have created this article, and he continues questioning the notablity of articles on other art historians I have created (see [10]). I think it is high time to block the activities of this user. Do you have an idea what we can do? Wikiwiserick (talk) 00:47, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Whose Knowledge[edit]

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Hi Montanabw! Thanks for joining the Whose Knowledge user group - we’re so glad to have you involved!

Here are some updates about recent activities:

  • User group approved: Our user group was officially approved in October - hooray! Big thanks to Raystorm and FloNight for the idea to create a user group for the Whose Knowledge? campaign :)
  • Mapping feminist knowledge at AWID's 2016 Forum: Interested in learning more about what we’ve been doing lately? Read our blog post on what we learned from mapping feminist knowledge at Association for Women's Rights in Developments 2016 Forum.
  • New grant proposal:
    • We’ve proposed a WMF project grant. It would be great to have your feedback and/or endorsement by November 1 if this project interests you!
    • It would also be great to have your help notifying communities already working on systemic bias about this proposal. Here is a draft message to use if you'd like - please translate, change as you see fit for your own context, and share in any communities you’re active in on and off-wiki!

It was great seeing and working with you at WikiConference this month! Looking forward to doing more together soon. Siko (talk) 02:03, 18 October 2016 (UTC)