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Categorisation of Anglican priests: RFC as followup to CFD[edit]

You contributed to the debate at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 November 2#Category:English_Anglican_priests, which I have closed today as "no consensus". (This notice is being sent all participants in that debate.)

Apart from the disagreement in that particular case, there seemed to be no broader agreement on how to categorise of Anglican priests. So I have opened a Requests for Comments discussion about it, at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories#RFC:_Categorisation_of_Anglican_priests, where your contribution would be welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:32, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Good of you to let me know, have said something there. Moonraker (talk) 01:49, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Francis Fletcher (clergyman)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Gibraltar general election, 1988[edit]

Thanks for this! :) --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 12:48, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, are you planning on covering any more Gib elections? --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 13:03, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll try to do some more, if no one else gets there first. A surprising gap in our good coverage of Gibraltar! Moonraker (talk) 14:36, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much, I would really appreciate the help! I've added them to the WikiProject's to-do list as a way of keeping track of them. Cheers! --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 12:47, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Re: Mark Versallion[edit]

Thank you. Will do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PtolemyA (talkcontribs) 19:29, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Franz von Papen[edit]

Hi Moonraker. Well - I am a heritage speaker of German so maybe I am inclined to do this. If you'd like to edit out von Papen, I have no qualms with that. Otherwise, I am not sure it negatively impacts the article in any way. I do think it is akin to Sir Walter Raleigh and the like. I would not feel editing out "Sir" Raleigh would be worthwhile, appropriate, or necessary. It's usage merely connotes aristocracy. I know Brits have a hard time imagining that such a thing existed/exists with regard to Germans but it did and it still does. Papen is certainly easier when starting a sentence. If for consistency's sake you feel obliged to edit it, then by all means, do so. It could be edited in either direction. If you take it to task...let me know. :-)

Imperial Civil Service[edit]

Hi, on 6 January you moved Imperial Civil Service to Indian Civil Service (British India). Your edit summary was "correct name can be disambiguated if needed, no reason to invent new name!" and it confuses me. The outfit was indeed known as the Imperial Civil Service and it replaced the earlier Covenanted Civil Service of India operated by the East India company & reformed by Macaulay in the 1830s. I think that the change to Imperial Civil Service came about after the Aitchison Commission report in the mid-1880s but I'll have to dig out my books to verify the precise timing. The Imperial Civil Service was one of a three-pronged administrative set-up that also included the Provincial Civil Service and the Subordinate Civil Service.

All of the above is easily verifiable and indeed I think much of it is already cited in the article. Yes, the article needs some clarification but if you were assuming that "Imperial Civil Service" was a made-up name in order to distinguish the Raj period from that of independent India then I think you were misguided. - Sitush (talk) 13:38, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Reply is on your talk page. Moonraker (talk) 22:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Have a cat[edit]

Red Kitten 01.jpg

I just saw that ANI thread!

S.G.(GH) ping! 16:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Let me add this to the cat above[edit]

Purple Star.png The Purple Barnstar
You placed the welcoming message in good faith. To receive the attack that you did was just plain wrong. Please accept this barnstar in hopes that you don't have to go through anything like that again. MarnetteD | Talk 19:48, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

RWY Cipher[edit]

RWY Cipher as submitted now correct, ie wording on scroll "Own Royal", the scroll tails and colouring. This is as used by the serving squadrons. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WiltshireMajor (talkcontribs) 18:43, 12 February 2014 (UTC) is today totally incorrect and has never been used by current RWY. A(RWY)Sqn RY and B(RWY)Sqn would be very grateful if you could leave the correct ones on display as many serving members download the image and then if the wrong cipher is on wiki they publish Regimental documents with the incorrect Cipher on them.

I will ask RWY Archivist if he has any earlier badges and associated information which we can add in due course.

Many thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by WiltshireMajor (talkcontribs) 18:53, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

dyk about Günther von Reibnitz, deleted because of rumour[edit]

Dear Moonraker In the Talk page of the English Wikipedia article on Gunther von Reibnitz I noticed that you have reinstated the following reference to an item in the the Did you know? column: The text of the entry was as follows: "Did you know... that Yad Vashem experts have stated that Günther von Reibnitz was planted in the SS to act as a spy for Hermann Göring?" As indicated in the last paragraph of the article, referenced by footnote 19, Yad Vashem was contacted and in its response it could not confirm this. I would be grateful if you could remove this statement. Kind regards urs.knecht --Urs.knecht (talk) 10:01, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Urs.knecht, this is simply a matter of record. The page was featured in DYK, and no one can change that fact. If you disagree with the DYK "hook" in that panel on the talk page, then you can add a statement immediately underneath it to say why. Your disagreement will carry more weight if supported by a source. Moonraker (talk) 23:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


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Gibraltar general election, 1984[edit]

Thanks for another Gib election, much appreciated! --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 13:37, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I nominated this for DYK, not realising it was just short of the 1,500 minimum character requirement. I make it out at 1,322 excluding bullets, headers and tables. Is there any further info you've unearthed that you could add? As for the citations I think the reviewer means that the first paragraph also needs a citation. Thanks, --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 22:01, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much for addressing these issues. This made me giggle:
"In a touch of irony, his party's only losing candidate was surnamed "Victory"." Face-smile.svg --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 11:35, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Indeed. We could even say that Victory cost them the election Face-wink.svg. But I see the DYK has been approved now, so it's too late for this gem. Moonraker (talk) 15:26, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Bummer, that would have been awesome! --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 22:32, 22 February 2014 (UTC)


Hi, were you aware there was a successful magazine called The Gentlewoman?

  • The Gentlewoman: An Illustrated Weekly Journal for Gentlewomen London , 12 July 1890 - 2 January 1926 : Nos. 1-1853
  • Continued as: Gentlewoman and Modern Life 9 January - 7 August 1926 : Nos. 1854-1883 Incorporated with Eve.

I thought it might warrant a mention. Eddaido (talk) 03:03, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Well spotted. I have begun a page for The Gentlewoman. Moonraker (talk) 06:51, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


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DYK for Gibraltar general election, 1984[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Gentlewoman[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Nice and short! - This gentle woman has a 1714 quote in BWV 172, and is sure that her humble beginning of a translation can be improved - or some English version found, must have been translated before. You may have also seen the request for a translation of a 12th century "steward" to German. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Happy to try to help, Gerda, but am a little short of time today for research. Could you please say more about what these roles were, in practice? For instance, were the Capell Musici court musicians serving a notional Capell, or were they church musicians serving a real chapel? (I suspect the first.) There will probably not be precise and correct translations, it may be a question of working out what we might have said in English at the time. (By the way, you might take a look at the last few sections of User talk:NinaGreen and see what you make of it all?) Moonraker (talk) 09:33, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
They were court musicians who also served the real pictured court chapel, and that was the Bach part, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:32, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
ps: I looked, and the sheer mass of words frightens me. No idea why simple things get so complicated. I asked our esteemed and newly elected arbitrators if a friend could please design "his own" pages as he likes it, and hoped the simple answer would be "yes, why not". Wrong, long wording resulting in "no". A young admin said something that was clearly wrong. You would think a simple apology would fix it. No, 2 ANI dealings, editor resigning with a condition for return, 2 requests for arbitration, clarification, 2 blocks, people shouting, - we better do content ;) - Btw, I just remember that you write the nicest DYK awards,- I earned another one - if you have the time ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:41, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi ..... I nominated J. S. Wood for DYK hoping to make it into an April 1st hook but it didn't work. However there is still a hook awaiting and it has had a review but I look at the complexities of the review and wonder if its worth the effort. I find the idea of a "promotional" article quite odd for a dead Victorian editor. If you are OK with it then Id like to abandon the nomination. If you are still keen then happy for you to take over fielding the minor points. Oh and thanks for the Gib election and your comment. The project did very well to do 1000 new articles. Last weekend one of our helpers got permission to take photos at Rock Gun Battery. This is off limits to civilians and protected by electrified fencing .... but the wiki now has pictures. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 21:03, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Giver of nice awards: There's a user who has way over 1000 DYK and no obvious award. I gave him Presious, or would do it myself, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:56, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Greeks in Italy (Griko People), Official Status[edit]

Hello Moonraker,

In Italy we Greeks are recognized simply as an ethnic Greek minority (in italian language: minoranza greca), as I corrected in the article, and as you can read in the reference. Not as "Minoranza linguistica Grika dell'Etnia Griko-Calabrese e Salentina ("Griko linguistic minorities of Griko-Calabrian and Salentinian ethnicity". Regards, --KoriAna 1 (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, KoriAna 1. Before you arrived, it appeared that the recognition given in the law was as "Minoranza linguistica Grika dell'Etnia Griko-Calabrese e Salentina". Can you please make this clear for me, are you saying that that is not what is stated in the law, so the quotation is wrong, or that you do not like what is quoted? In the meantime, I have translated the passage given in Italian in the footnote. Moonraker (talk) 08:14, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello Moonraker, the quotation as it was before, was wrong. The recognition given us by Law no. 482 of 1999 is simply as a "Greek population (popolazione greca)". There is no separate "Griko linguistic minority of Griko-Calabrian and Salentinian ethnicity". We are a Greek ethnic and linguistic minority in Italy, that's it! I agree with your last correction, the paragraph is ok now.--KoriAna 1 (talk) 14:50, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I know that Italy did not ratified the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. Italy's policy toward its minorities is quite ambiguous. In theory the italian state recognises all his ethnic and linguistic minorities (but not the romance regional languages like Sicilian, Lombard, Neapolitan, etc!). On the other hand, everything is done (and has been done since 1861) to impose Italian as the official language of the state, and to wipe out dialects. Law no. 482 of 1999 is essentially a worthless piece of paper!--KoriAna 1 (talk) 15:46, 10 March 2014 (UTC)


I've added an ALT 3. Though I think we could get away with ALT 2 and the misleading imagery if we put it into the April Fools day list. Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:04, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Hate to be a pain, but is the new edit alright? Adam Cuerden (talk) 10:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Henry FitzRoy, 12th Duke of Grafton for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Henry FitzRoy, 12th Duke of Grafton is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henry FitzRoy, 12th Duke of Grafton until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 17:48, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Peerage AFDs[edit]

Hi, Moonraker. Thanks for your feedback and comments on my recent AFD nominations. I was not previously familiar with the GNG so thank you for bringing this to my attention. I merely began nominating as I noticed that some tenuously notable aristocratic biographies had been deleted via AFD previously. I'll let the current crop of AFDs run their course and see what the consensus is. It may be that some are seen to pass GNG and are thus kept, however for others such as Charles McLaren, 4th Baron Aberconway, the case seems weaker. Thanks. Flaming Ferrari (talk) 20:57, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for J. S. Wood[edit]

Allen3 talk 10:34, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Urania's Mirror[edit]

Have a look here, if you would. Being told the sources don't support the hook when they unambiguiously do. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:18, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mary Eliza Kennard[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 02:01, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jane Ridley[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 10:38, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Saint, Sydney John[edit]

Hi I'm the College Archivist at Reaseheath College Cheshire. You may be interested to know I have documentary evidence that the above was employed at the College (then known as the Cheshire school of agriculture) as Lecturer in chemistry from 09.01.1922 to 25.09.1922. I am able to supply a copy of the information if required, I'm contactable via the College. I hope this is the correct form of communiation (talk) 20:30, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for your note. I'm happy to add your information, but could you please give me the name or description of the source of it, with a page number if there is one, and say where that is kept? Moonraker (talk) 07:37, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Discretionary sanctions 2013 review: Draft v3[edit]

Hi. You have commented on Draft v1 or v2 in the Arbitration Committee's 2013 review of the discretionary sanctions system. I thought you'd like to know Draft v3 has now been posted to the main review page. You are very welcome to comment on it on the review talk page. Regards, AGK [•] 00:17, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Lists of Great Britain MPs[edit]

Category:Lists of Great Britain MPs, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:57, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I started editing the Dorje Shugden Controversy page. Another editor made a comment about me personally. I asked them to stop and they did it again. I would like to make a complaint about their behaviour. How do I do this? Thanks March22nd (talk) 17:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Adam Ridley[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 07:02, 25 March 2014 (UTC)


Hello Moonraker, Thanks for getting in touch. Oddly, I thought of starting this page myself, having like you visited and tweaked the Pigeons, where I saw that there was no article on the club. I'll certainly see if there's anything I can add over the course of the next day or so. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 13:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ladies' Alpine Club[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:02, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Your edits on Andre Migner dit Lagace[edit]

Could you revert your name edits on Andre Migner dit Lagace, please? His name was not "André Lagacé". The Lagace name came after him and it is not proper to call him thus. The page should also be moved back to the correct name. "André Migner, called Lagacé" is a translation of his name, not his name. --Auric talk 03:41, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


What do you think of doing Praxis Pietatis Melica (de) together, File:Praxis-Pietatis-Melica.jpg? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:49, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Good idea. Perhaps the article in German could be better cited, but I have found some English-language sources. Will you make a start on it, or shall I? Greetings, Moonraker (talk) 20:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good, - you can go ahead, I have at least three other things to do first, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:06, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Another chance for your idiomatic translation skills is one of the three, Valet will ich dir geben, in progress, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Catalan exonyms[edit]

Hello, Moonraker. I was curious about this edit to Catalan exonyms. I can't say that I entirely understand the reason for the article, but it seems to me that it serves to compare Catalan-language place names with the names of those places in the local language. That being the case, the redirect links using the local languages (e.g. Antwerpen for Dutch-speaking Antwerp) serve a real purpose. I don't understand the meaning of your edit summary, "LL", but I'm guessing it's not a reference to WP:WikiProject Baseball/Little League task force. Cnilep (talk) 01:33, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

A reply is on your talk page. Moonraker (talk) 02:53, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Percy Wyndham (soldier)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 18:18, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Dorje Shugden controversy[edit]

Hi. I joined a few months ago and you wrote on my page that I can ask you a question if needed. Could you please have a look at the 'Dorje Shugden controversy' page. A user called 'Heicth' deleted a lot of information on 05:12 6th May in this section ; === Claims of violence/discrimination committed by non-Shugden practitioners === . Is it okay to delete all this? As you can tell by the article's name, the article is about an issue with different views. It seems to me this edit was to delete a presentation of one side of the argument because the editor doesn't like this side. Is it okay to keep this information in the article? Thanks March22nd (talk) 16:40, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello March22nd. To be fair to Heicth, he or she engages pretty actively with other users on the Talk:Dorje Shugden controversy page, although rather less so for a few weeks. I can't arbitrate on a content dispute there, so I can only suggest you should ask the same question on the talk page and see what others say. Moonraker (talk) 21:56, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Jeremy Lawrance[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:24, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Uploading an updated public domain image: Licensing confusion[edit]

I'd like your input on how to properly update an image for use in the Wikipedia article: Circuit Diagram. The current, public domain image in the Symbols section is missing a "hybrid style" mentioned in the article. I've downloaded the image and added the missing style, and am attempting to upload it using "Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard". I would like to upload it in the same way that the previous author of the image had done so (he had also updated the image originally there). I am not sure how to do this. "Step 3: Provide source and copyright information" lists 5 options under "This is a free work", none of which seem to be the one I want to use. Any help would be very much appreciated!

Update: I ended up creating a new diagram from scratch and uploading that instead. However, any tips on how to navigate the different licenses would still be appreciated for future endeavors.

Solistide (talk) 06:30, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Help with incorrect article[edit]

Hi, I need help with one article (, it is full of false information and I think (by searching on Internet) fictitious names. Also, there is a couple of references to newspapers, but information used in newspaper articles are also false (journalists didn't check them). I also think that wiki article with the same name was deleted once, so I ask is there any chance to do it the same now. I asked you because I saw your welcome note on my talk page. I will be very thankful for any kind of answer. Doraterra2 (talk) 01:02, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Didnt buy it[edit]

Nice try. You guys are bought just like some deniers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:18, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Women writers Invitation[edit]

Mary Wollstonecraft by John Opie (c. 1797).jpg

Hello Moonraker/Archive 12! Thank you for your contributions to articles related to Women writers. I'd like to invite you to become a part of WikiProject Women writers, a WikiProject aimed at improving the quality of articles about women writers on Wikipedia.

If you would like to participate, please visit the WikiProject Women writers page for more information. Feel free to sign your name under "Members". I look forward to your involvement!

Category:Horses in Great Britain[edit]

Category:Horses in Great Britain, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. DexDor (talk) 21:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Edward Bayntun (died 1679)[edit]

Hello Moonraker,

I don't know anything about Wikipedia really but sounds like you had some input into this page on Farleigh Hungerford Castle. Just watned to let someone know the link to Edward Bayntun is to the wrong man. This is the chap we're after I think:

Hope that's helpful.

Joe — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I have corrected the link. Moonraker (talk) 21:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Translate Baroque title?[edit]

In this, the first image has the wonderful title. Are you tempted to translate it and add to Mit Fried und Freud? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

This is an interesting challenge, I may need to come back to you on some points of it. NB, we have an article on Saint Olaf's Church, Helsingør. Moonraker (talk) 11:01, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Richmond Sixteen[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:38, 26 November 2014 (UTC)