User talk:Moonriddengirl

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If you are here with questions about an article I have deleted or a copyright concern, please consider first reading my personal policies with regards to deletion and copyright, as these may provide your answer.

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Hours of Operation

In general, I check in with Wikipedia under this account around 12:00 Coordinated Universal Time on weekdays. I try to check back in at least once more during the day. On weekends, I'm here more often. When you loaded this page, it was 01:01, August 4, 2015 UTC (purge). Refresh your page to see what time it is now.

George Ranalli[edit]

Dear Moonriddengirl, I apologize for delayed responding. I wasfiguring out how to reply!! I appreciate the input from you, and your colleagues, and continue to research sourcing for "awards" and "exhibits" sections of "George Ranalli" page. As I said previously, this is unfamiliar territory. Parenthetically, the awards section of George Ranalli page was drafted by someone else, and I am happy to contribute sourcing. I've read the reference materials on feedback "neutral tone," which is understandable, and don't think there is any confusion between "neutral tone" and "promotional" tone at this point. At this point, I think it is reasonable to contribute relevant sourcing and some factual information to the page from a neutral perspective. I'm still unclear whether copyright issues remain. (I don't understanding every comments, and its difficult to track feedback from several people at once, plus how to relay to whom and where. I'm working on it!) Please advise about any clean up in that area. In terms of the twice deleted, and twice replaced post, my thought is the information is of a temporary nature, and therefore, not relevant. I'm also looking at other similar types of pages in this context for guidance, and its not the kind of information included in professional academic or employment chronology. Thank you again for your input69.86.66.202 (talk) 19:33, 23 July 2015 (UTC)Sincerely, Annevalentino

Thanks for your note. I'll respond at the talk page of your account. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:29, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Sock IPs[edit]

Hi Moonriddengirl, I must have missed something, whose sockmaster's were those edit-warring sock IPs you have been blocking on Gaulish language, Sicels and other pages? They are apparently back again as (talk · contribs · WHOIS). I would have reverted/blocked them myself, but I apparently don't know the backstory here. Fut.Perf. 17:06, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Fut.Perf.. :) That's User:Joeyc91 who was first blocked for a bizarre unwillingness to attribute when copying from or translating from other Wikipedia articles. Once he began socking, I realized that it wasn't only Wikipedia articles he was copying from - he's copying from encyclopedias and books and articles, as well - sometimes copy-pasting the English and sometimes translating them directly from the Italian. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:37, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I just noticed who blocked that user last time! :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:51, 25 July 2015 (UTC)


OK; tell me how to help you with copivio. What can I do? Hafspajen (talk) 18:50, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Depends on where you want to help out and what you want to do. :) For starters, WP:SCV is badly backlogged, to the point that it's clogging WP:CP, in spite of the valiant efforts of a few editors to keep on top of it. (User:Crow goes gangbusters.) It would be fantastic if you could help clear some listings there. If you're willing to help out there, you can start with the most recent days, which are generally the easiest (low hanging fruit getting picked first), or start at the oldest and look at the stuff other people either haven't wanted to touch or haven't gotten around to. There's detailed instructions on the top of that page, but it basically works out to figuring out, if there's duplicated content, whether or not that's an issue. Is it creative? Is it compatibly licensed/public domain and attributed? (If not, attribute; drop a word to the creator explaining.) Is it a straightforward copyvio or can it be repaired? The most complex listings in my experience are usually those where it's hard to determine if the content is creative and those where we know it was copied from somewhere in Wikipedia but have trouble determining which page is the source. That tends to happen with series articles, where people quite understandably think they can just snatch the old text to start a fresh page. There are other places you can help, so if you want to consider options, let me know! You'd be most welcome. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:57, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh, forgot to invoke thy name, Hafspajen. :D --Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:58, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Oh well.:) Try ... WP:SCV. Probably will make a mess of it and come back for help, as I usually do in the beginnig with almost everything. Hafspajen (talk) 19:02, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
GOSH: That's a long list. Hafspajen (talk) 19:04, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, it is, Hafspajen. Hence our dire need. :) Feel free to take the easy stuff, and there are other users who I believe can give great guidance if I'm not around - to name three off the top of my head, User:Justlettersandnumbers, User:Crow and User:Hut 8.5 do great work in that area. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:09, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Told you, I'll be back... For example the first one, RATEcoin. This is definitely copivio, see here. It is tagged for deletion. What do I do now? Hafspajen (talk) 19:10, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
  • If it's already tagged for deletion, Hafspajen, you don't need to do anything. :) It will go redlink when deleted, so we know it's done. If it doesn't go redlink by the time the page is complete, it may be necessary to do something more with it- but SCV pages are finally reviewed when the corresponding CP page is completed. That means that even if there's one or two such listings left at SCV, they will get picked up in a week or few. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Oh. So it is mostly repairing and saving it is about? Is there any template you give people it they do copivio, by the way? Hafspajen (talk) 19:15, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Well, Hafspajen, sometimes you wind up tagging it for speedy deletion or blanking it with {{copyvio}} yourself. Sometimes you remove stuff or rewrite it. If you remove stuff or rewrite it, I'd recommend using {{cclean}} on the article's talk page. CorenSearchBot notifies contributors itself of copyright issues, but sometimes you need to say more. For instance, if they try to rewrite it and don't do it well, you might need to leave them the template that {{copyvio}} generates to notify users when you use it. Or you might want to copy the cautionary language from Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing for them. If they copy from one page to another and the Bot picks this up by finding an external mirror site, you can leave them {{Uw-copying}}. That template assumes that you will have repaired attribution for them. :) If somebody does this habitually, I sometimes stop doing that and basically just tell them to do it themselves, but this is one of the more difficult areas, I think, for clerking WP:SCV. Some people do not take that requirement seriously, but it's a legal mandate and required by our wmf:TOU. If the person seems really confused and is very new, I will sometimes leave them {{uw-copyvio-new}}. I also have a home-spun template that I never put into official circulation because it's wordy (like me) and generally rare: User:Moonriddengirl/vp. This is when people say "I'm the copyright owner" but you need to blank the article until they verify that.
Articles living dangerously....

--Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:25, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

  • OK: That bot is overactive, he-she found 5 copivios in three minutes. Is this OK? Hafspajen (talk) 19:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Hafspajen, that  Works for me. :) (And, yes, I meant invoke like an angel. The idea that you can speak somebody's name and they know you're talking about them is mystical to me. :D) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:32, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

OPss. OK, I will be back, if I get stucked. Please have some patience with me, I am a slow learner. But once I get it, I manage. Hafspajen (talk) 19:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
As far as I'm concerned, you're doing a great service to the project and one I especially appreciate. You get all the patience you need. :) Especially because there are areas where I require great patience myself. Translation extension markup? Scares me silly. Oi. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

  • 1) How do I mark the entry?
  • 2) Shall I give him some day to fix the problem?
How shall I handle it? I am not an admin, you know, by the way. I can't delete anything. Hafspajen (talk) 20:00, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Draft:Amayra Concepts, Ola Aina and Jake Clarke-Salter are word for word copivio. On top of everything, Ola Aina was proposed for deletion, twice. Somebody removed the tag. User:MrTranCFCVN created the last two. Hafspajen (talk) 20:05, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Sorry, Hafspajen; I've been away from my keyboard. :) If way too close means, you think, almost but not quite a copyvio, I'd go with {{close paraphrase}} with an additional note of explanation on the talk page. If you think it is a copyvio, I'd go with {{copyvio}} so it will be blanked for review. If it's a total copyvio, you tag it {{DB#G12}}, and an admin will review it. With an editor like User:MrTranCFCVN, who has been editing for two years, it's always a good idea to look at his history and see if he has done this before. If he has, and he has been cautioned, we may have a larger issue. In this case, it seems this is his first caution, so he may simply not have known. He's got an issue with cutting & pasting between pages, though, so I'll talk to him about that. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 23:29, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

  • Well, it was Saturday, after all... Yes, please, talk to User:MrTranCFCVN, iI think he is trying to do his best, thoug.
This redirects to itself... ? Is it re-created? Can't check, don't know what this is. Hafspajen (talk) 12:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
Hey, Hafspajen. Scorepedia, like Wikipedia, has an article history, which makes it easier to check. It is licensed under CC-By-SA 3.0, though, so content from Scorepedia can be used on Wikipedia as long as it is properly attributed according to Wikipedia:Plagiarism. If it's not, it's a copyvio. But I'm assuming you're talking about List of Varèse Sarabande albums - the thing to do there is look at the first post in the series for edit summary. I always check the edit summaries, especially when the CSB is removed. User:Darkwind is experienced and knows how to attribute a split, so he documented properly that he took the content from Varèse Sarabande. Comparing the histories of the source article and the external source verifies that it was on Wikipedia first. :)
This, by the way, is how we most often find unattributed splits. If Darkwind had not known how to split, we might have had to check to see if there was an article on Wikipedia from which the content had been removed so it could be attributed and he informed at WP:CWW.
I got no idea with the last one. User:Crow, with the listing for Malayan local elections at Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations/2015-07-25, I'd usually look for some very subtle variation in title. These do seem to be identical. You see any difference. Does CSB do this often? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:47, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
  • CSB sometimes self-matches articles with apostrophes in the title (e.g. [1] ), as WP codes it with the ' but Yahoo codes it as an escape character, so the bot sees them as different pages. Never seen it do this before though, and Coren is likewise baffled: [2]. CrowCaw 23:06, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Hafspajen, it's a preparatory article is probably WP:TOOSOON. I'd recommend a WP:PROD on that one with a friendly note to the editor explaining that we don't go that far ahead in articles. It's a noteworthy subject, but not likely to meet notability guidelines until closer to date, since there's probably not many sources discussing it. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:11, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
My head is spinning. Never knew that there was so many problems on Wiki. I will take a break now, just to recover, for today. But will start again soon. Hafspajen (talk) 13:14, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
  • Ah, that's unfortunate. :/ Hopefully he won't be too discouraged. He seems to be brand new. OTOH, I have to wonder if he's returning from some other account. It's unusual for a legitimately brand new account to dive in to an area like that with new articles on franchises, I think. By the way, in response to an earlier note, the administrative work here is neverending. Back when I had more time, I used to write an article every other day (or that was my goal) to keep the administrative stuff from overwhelming me. Now that I have less time, I can't really do that - the backlog demands. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:51, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

AMResorts and Apple Leisure Group[edit]

I'm concerned by the SPAs on these two articles. Would you say PP or an SPI is necessary? —George8211 / T 15:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I share your concern. I'd say at least an SPI, George8211. If there's not sockpuppetry, there's at least meatpuppetry. The connection between the name of the account that sprang up immediately after my block of the COI name issue of User:Algdev and the name of the president of the AMResorts is not lost on me, although it could be coincidence. I cannot believe it is coincidence, however, that these articles have received so much new focused attention from named accounts that are also paying token attention to other articles. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:43, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Anon IP adding unsourced material to WP:BLP[edit]

Hello Moonriddengirl, I have been editing this WP:BLP for awhile: Lisa Brennan-Jobs

An anon IP is adding unsourced information to this article stating that the subject is married. It may very well be true, but I cannot find WP:RS that confirms the topic. I did one mass revert with a note in the edit history about using sources, but the IP user restored all of the edits again without references. I do not want to get into an edit war over this issue. At the same time, this is a well-known person and thus I have been trying to keep her biography accurate. Either we need to find sources that confirm this information, or somehow convey to the IP user that the WP can't add information without a source. I am not calling for a block per se but for the intervention of an admin (I've seen your work before and am a fan). Thanks, -Classicfilms (talk) 20:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Classicfilms. :) Thanks for your kind words. :D The best thing to do always is leave a note of explanation on the talk page of the user, if the IP is the same especially, as many new and unregistered users don't know about edit summaries and sometimes genuinely do not understand why their changes don't "stick." (We get emails asking us that question a lot.) If they persist after the note on the talk page and their edits are a BLP problem, like this one, you can keep removing them and then list the page at WP:RPP or request a block at WP:AIV. (While WP:EW prohibits doing too many reverts in a 24-hour period, of course, it does allow exception for protecting BLPs, if the issue is clear, like this one.) Or stop by here. :) I'm not on as much as I'd like to be, though, so I'm not as quick as those forums usually. It's also a good idea to just check and see what else they're up to. They've done something similar at another BLP, but in this case removing sourced information and breaking a reflink. I've fixed that, too. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 11:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl - and you see why I am a fan. You are always so helpful! I really appreciate this detailed explanation and I've made a copy for my archives. I have never really understood the process very well and you have explained it so clearly. I also saw your response on both this page and the other page. So I will do the same in the future. One final question - the comment that you left on the user's page - it looks like a template to me. Where would I find templates like this one? Thanks again for your help and for clarifying that 3RR doesn't apply for clear cases of vandalism like this on a BLP. Also just as an fyi, you may want to keep Lisa Brennan-Jobs on your watch list since the film about her father is coming out in October and I suspect there will be cases of vandalism cropping up over the next few months. -Classicfilms (talk) 14:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Classicfilms, may I suggest enabling Twinkle (go to your Preferences page and then the Gadgets tab)? Once the preference is saved, and you go to a user's talk page, you'll see a new warn tab at the top of your screen. Clicking it will allow you to choose all kinds of warnings and notes and the appropriate level. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. --NeilN talk to me 15:02, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
I wish I could come up with a better word than this - but ... wow! The Gadgets tab is quite nifty :-) I enabled Twinkle as well as a few other options. Yes, I see what to do now and thank you so much for the tip! I will copy and paste this full thread to my archive. I will certainly contact you if I have any further questions. Thanks Neil! -Classicfilms (talk) 16:04, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Twinkle rocks. :) Thanks, User:NeilN. Classicfilms, with Twinkle you may never need to know this, but another handy tip: most templates have hidden text identifying them. So if you see something that looks like a template, just click edit and look to see if it does. In this case, the one I used identifies itself as <!-- Template:uw-biog1 -->. Template:uw-biog1. Voila. On the rare occasion that the content doesn't identify the template, you can try through searching templates. I'm not sure if you're familiar with how to do an advanced search, but it's all explained at Help:Searching. I use the advanced searching parameters regularly to help me find notes left on user talk pages. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:23, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
Ah ha! Most excellent, I like the advanced search option. Now I've learned two new things... Thanks to you both Moonriddengirl and Neil, this has been an exceptionally beneficial class. I will add this post to my archived version. -Classicfilms (talk) 15:21, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Photo question[edit]

I've been in contact with Network Rail re the acquisition of photographs of Wadhurst Tunnel for use in the Hastings Line article. They have sent me a photograph of each portal, with the note that it is hoped that the photographs are useful in the Wikipedia article. I made it clear to Network Rail during my correspondence with them that any photographs so released would need to be on a compatible licence for use on Wikipedia or elsewhere, including commercial use. By the release of such photographs to me, can we take it that such permission has been granted. I'm minded to upload the images to en-Wiki rather than Commons as it seems that I might not have sufficient permissions to upload there. Network Rail nave now closed the correspondence as the deem my request answered. What advice would you give in this situation? Mjroots (talk) 16:51, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Mjroots. I'm afraid that even on English Wikipedia, a permission that does not specify license is likely to be rejected. :/ If I were you, I'd forward the permissions letter to OTRS, cc'ing the company, and allow the OTRS agent to do the routine follow-up if they deem necessary based on the precise language of the text. Or you could just reach out to them with profuse appreciation and a final note that we will be delighted to use the images if they verify their willingness to release the content under CC-By-SA (with a link to said license). The language OTRS uses is more vague, but I usually like to make it easy by giving them the specific license:

Images and other media are usually only allowed on Wikimedia projects if they are under a free license (such as certain Creative Commons licenses). You can see the allowable licenses at <>.

If we are provided with a clear statement that the copyright holder is releasing this content for redistribution under an allowable license, then the content may be used on Wikimedia projects. The email template at <> can be used if needed.

I know it can be difficult getting people to be specific (sometimes they resist fiercely), but I think the fear is that they will come back later and claim that they did not understand the terms of the license or even that their note that they hoped the images would be useful on Wikipedia was clear indication that they did not intend to allow the material to be reused elsewhere.
If you would like an OTRS agent to do the routine follow-up and you want to, you're welcome to let me know when the email is sent and under what title, and I'll look for it and expedite it. I won't send the form "More specific statement of permission" but will tailor it such that they know it's been touched by human hands. :) Templates work well in some instances, but when they are slightly off I think they sometimes fall into the uncanny valley, so to speak - that is, it's really offputting to get an obvious form letter with no tailoring to the case. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
I've forwarded the email to the permissions-commons address under the title "Fw: Photgraph request - Wadhurst Tunnel [Incident: 150722-000303]" if that is of any use. Forgot to mention my Wikipedia identity in the e-mail though. Mjroots (talk) 18:04, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
OTRS Ticket#2015080310018255 refers. Mjroots (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! Looking now. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:57, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Sorry I didn't get to it sooner, Mjroots! I didn't really visit my talk page early enough today. :/ But I have sent an email out to you and to the copyright holder's representative that I hope will do the trick. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
No problem, will look in the morning. Heading to bed now. Mjroots (talk) 22:12, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 July 2015[edit]

Chimneys and related topics[edit]

As a new user I logged in as Arlstone and found I was in over my head in editing "Chimney".I worked in heat transfer and chimney research from 1946 to 1985. For my kids who might wonder what I did, I wrote a narrative with many links, some to old copyrighted publications. Some of these could be more appropriate than those currently on this and other topics such as fireplaces and creosote. All are on a CD and most would be better "References" than those presently in"Chimney" I am 98 years old and have no desire to become involved in a monster project as an editor, but I would like to have some references to my work added to Wikipedia. Could I send you a copy to review, and get your help with copyright issues to add some useful technology on chimneys. Thank you in advance Richard L. Stone Arlstone (talk) 22:15, 1 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Arlstone. :) I am responding at your talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2015 (UTC)


Hi Moonriddengirl, when you have a chance, would you look at this article? It appears to be riddled with longtime copyright violations, and I'm not sure if they date from the article's inception. Thank you in advance, 2601:188:0:ABE6:2CE7:9FE7:32F1:AC2A (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

Yikes! Flagged. It may disappear speedily, but at least the copyright issues will be handled regardless. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:19, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Cheers, 2601:188:0:ABE6:2CE7:9FE7:32F1:AC2A (talk) 23:32, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

This article is infringing on our copyright and we are requesting deletion[edit]

Hi there,

I wanted to bring to your attention that this article is infringing on our copyright [3]

Parichay himself is the sole copyright owner of this content and the only email to reach our team to obtain a certificate of copyright clearance is:

We have not granted any permission to anyone for use of this info whatsoever at this moment and have therefore contacted the original creator of the page "ChayProductions" to request a speedy deletion of the article which I see has been done on the article page (currently pending deletion).

Can you please have this page deleted asap as it is violating our copyright?

Thank you CraneCrusier (talk) 13:51, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) See OTRS#2010032710029672 - a representative from has released this material under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 licence. In doing so, they have made it freely available for anyone, including Wikipedia, to reuse, for any purpose. Yunshui  14:03, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Yunshui. :)
CraneCrusier, I cannot delete content for which we have logged permission. It exceeds my scope as a volunteer administrator on Wikipedia to decide that your word here overrules a release from a verified official address. You may choose to contact our Designated Agent to officially request removal, but I would strongly encourage you first to send an email to from your official site requesting a copy of the license logged at #2010032710029672. Because we attempt to protect the privacy of our correspondents, it is not likely to be supplied to you unless you use the same email domain. That will allow you to determine precisely who released what and when. If the license is valid, the content may not be removed. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Copyright shouldn't be an issue any more. I've gotten rid of the unsourced puffery which, even if released under a CC-BY-SA 3.0 licence, should never have made it into the article. --NeilN talk to me 23:02, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I jumped in as well. Added some local newspaper sources. Just needs the national and international attention now. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 23:36, 3 August 2015 (UTC)