User talk:Moonriddengirl

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If you are here with questions about an article I have deleted or a copyright concern, please consider first reading my personal policies with regards to deletion and copyright, as these may provide your answer.

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During my current work interim position, I have found myself with not a lot of spare time that isn't consumed by family. I can go long periods without logging in to Wikipedia. If you have an urgent note for me here, please consider alerting me via email at (This is my work email address, and I do not mix work and volunteering, but mailing that address makes sure I will see it promptly, usually within a day.) If not urgent, I'll come by as soon as I can, and I heartily welcome talk page stalkers. :) Oh, I have discovered that sometimes when people don't tell me it's a volunteer contact, I have handled it with the wrong hat on. Please make which "me" you want clear!

DYK nomination on hold until OTRS request has been processed[edit]

Moonriddengirl, you have been very helpful in the past when we have had DYK nominations stalled because an OTRS request had been made but not yet processed; we naturally were not able to approve an article to be linked to from Wikipedia's main page when we weren't sure we had permission to use the material (image or text) to begin with.

In this case, the article Keystone State Wrestling Alliance has quite a bit of material from a source; an OTRS request was submitted two days ago (the template was posted on the article's talk page at 06:39, 7 October 2017 (UTC)), and if its check can be expedited we would greatly appreciate it. (The DYK nomination is here in case you want more background.) Thank you for anything you can do to help. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:56, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, BlueMoonset. Courtesy of the US holiday, I have some time this morning. :) I searched the OTRS system full text for the title of the article, for just the words "Keystone State", for, for Gvstaylor1, and for KSWA and I didn't find anything. So then I did a visual scan of all unanswered tickets in the permissions queue for the month of October, and I found nothing. This doesn't mean that permission doesn't exist - but in order to verify it, I need to know more details about the permission email. The subject line or the sender could work. Given the backlog in the permission queue, I do not believe somebody else would have responded and thereby removed it from my visual scan, but if it was sent to the wrong otrs address it wouldn't have wound up in that stack.
User:Gvstaylor1, can you tell me any more about the email you sent verifying that you have received authorization from to release a modified version of their text under a compatible free license? This will enable me to find that proof of permission. Looking at the article, it's clear that there are the kinds of close paraphrasing issues that result when you rely too heavily on a single source and follow their structure.
As it is written in the source As it is now on Wikipedia
In 2008, the KSWA would put on 14 events, including the first-ever Joe Abby Memorial Tournament on March 29. Named for the Studio Wrestling mainstay who was even better known as a pillar of the community, the Joe Abby Tournament would become the KSWA’s way of remembering its forefathers. Abby and Frank Durso, another Studio Wrestling workhorse, were very first members inducted into the KSWA Hall of Fame. Blanchard, with Durso in tow, would beat Kris Kash in the finals of the first Joe Abby Tournament. In 2008, the KSWA held 14 events including the first-ever Joe Abby Memorial Tournament on March 29. It was named in honor of "Killer" Joe Abby, a mainstay on Studio Wrestling during the 1960s and 1970s. The Joe Abby Tournament became a way of honoring Pittsburgh's contributions to the pro wrestling industry. Abby and Frank Durso, another Studio Wrestling regular, were the first members inducted into the KSWA Hall of Fame. Blanchard, with Durso in his corner, defeated Kris Kash in the finals of the inaugual Joe Abby Tournament.
This is a common kind of copyright issue and difficult to eradicate if you attempt - as it looks like you've done - to basically change a few words, rearrange some text, and add or omit a few details. The first sentence is identical expect that you have changed the tense of the verb. Your second sentence adds a little more information but is clearly constructed on the model of theirs - you rearranged "Studio Wrestling mainstay" into "mainstay on Studio Wrestling" for instance. What you wind up with when you do revision like this is a modified version of the original, and only the copyright holder of the original has the right to make modifications or authorize others to make them.
If you don't have permission to use this text, the best thing for you to do is pull the material you based on that source and go write it from scratch, using the techniques described at close paraphrasing. It is not possible to avoid making a derivative work if you go sentence by sentence. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:17, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

I submitted the release to the email provided. My father and myself compiled the article being used as the primary source for the page. However, now that the page has been vandalized with a "under construction" tab it's disheartening. I will attempt to resend the email when i return home tomorrow morning. Gvstaylor1 (talk) 04:29, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Gvstaylor1, please post which email address you are sending the permission to along with the exact subject line you're using, to help Moonriddengirl locate it in the system. Many thanks.
The "under construction" template was added by you back on October 5 with this edit. If it bothers you, I suggest you remove it. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:43, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Bluemoonset, someone deleted all of the work with the under construction and removed that with the talk page and dyk stated please give me a few weeks being out of town. Email resent this am updated. The first one got a reject receipt that was sent to clutter. This one should be in.Gvstaylor1 (talk) 18:35, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, BlueMoonset. :) Gvstaylor1, I've found the letter but am sorry to say that we need a little more. The complication is in identifying the letter writer with the original website - this can take an extra step or two when you can't clearly connect it to a domain. Suggestions have been sent via email. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:41, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
thank you moonriddengirl i have made the appropriate fixes. Gvstaylor1 (talk) 04:51, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Gvstaylor1. I'm sorry to say I made an error in my email - since I last used the email response system, the template for that situation has changed, and I did not notice that the specified the 4.0 license. We cannot yet use the 4.0 license for text, but only for images. Hence, I have to ask you to please modify the 4.0 to say 3.0 on the site. After that's done, it'll be a quick resolution to these concerns. Apologies for the inconvenience. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:55, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

All fixedGvstaylor1 (talk) 16:59, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

All boxes ticked. :) Thank you, Gvstaylor1. BlueMoonset, all text from that source is duly licensed and recorded now. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
Thank you, Moonriddengirl. Glad to know that we're all set there. I saw the licensing information you added to the article and talk pages. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:13, 18 October 2017 (UTC)


Hi, Maggie. Thanks for your response to my ping at User talk:PiGuy3. You were very helpful. Also, let me take this opportunity to express my appreciation of the tireless work you have put in over many years dealing with copyright problems. I don't remember when I first encountered your work, but it was a very long time ago, and I have always been impressed by your thoroughness and by your willingness to help whenever copyright problems come your way.

On a totally different matter, I have just been looking at your user page, and it took me quite a while to spot what was funny about this edit and this one. That was partly because I didn't know it was the edit summaries that I had to look at, but also because what you wrote just seemed natural.

Finally, I see that you say "I write fiction in my spare time". It's of no importance or significance, but I just thought I'd mention that I do too, so we have something in common besides being Wikipedia administrators. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:36, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

I thank you for your kind words, JamesBWatson, although I humbly feel I hardly deserve them. I was surprised to realize that I had been away for an entire year! I'm intending to remedy that; I've missed contributing and am rusty. My writing skills are even more rusty! I need to get back into the swing of both. Unfortunately the kinds of slips of tongue I describe seem all too natural to me. :D I don't doubt that I've missed many. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:39, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Francis Nkwain[edit]

I'm mainly curious as to the status of the investigation around their article as I noticed it was first opened three years ago. Rusted AutoParts 18:38, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Rusted AutoParts. Thank you for pointing that out! That one fell through the cracks and was not processed. I've now done so, deleting the unusable version of the article and adding a basic stub that can be expanded upon. Almost all of the links used in the original article were dead. I wish I had more time to make this stub better, but I am now officially 1 minute late for work. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:01, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 October 2017[edit]

Catalan Republic[edit]

Hi. I noticed you adding the "copied" template to article talk pages. I've just changed Catalan Republic to a disambiguation page, and copied the content to four new articles, with a small residue copied to the talk page. I put links in all my edit summaries, so that bit is covered, but I can't get the hang of the "copied" template so I haven't added it to any talk page. Any chance you might do it for me? Scolaire (talk) 18:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Scolaire. :) There are "nice to have" parameters in that template, but the basic is really pretty easy:
{{copied|from=title of the article where it started|to=title of the article to which you copied it}}
That's all that's really necessary. The other stuff identifies the specific edit where it was added and the specific version it was taken from, but the important part is the page history. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:08, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Okay. I'll do that. It was the diffs that did my head in; once I know it's okay to leave them out I'm fine. Thanks. Scolaire (talk) 07:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)
Glad to hear it. I have sometimes struggled with the "from_oldid=" parameter myself. :) I'm forget what it's called. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:48, 26 October 2017 (UTC)
Actually, once I'd done the basic version, I found I was able to come back and add the oldids and the diffs. I later even managed to change "copied" to "split article" on the original article. Taking it in stages makes all the difference, so thanks again for setting me on my way. Scolaire (talk) 08:08, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Category:Articles tagged for copyright problems has been nominated for discussion[edit]

Category:Articles tagged for copyright problems, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Adam9007 (talk) 17:09, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

User: Mehrdad 12 and Sockpuppetry associated with User:History of Persia / User: Artin Mehraban[edit]

I'm bringing this to your attention because you have blocked User:History of Persia and dealt with that situation. There is an issue now associated with User:Mehrdad 12. A friend of mine stumbled upon this historically innaccurate map ( added to a the French colonial empire page. It was created by the afforementioned user. User:Mehrdad 12 has accounts on the Persian Wikipedia as well as Wiki Commons. He freqently falsifies image edits and contributions without sources and adds his self created images to articles. Most of his edits have been reverted by me, or others such as User: LouisAragon. I feel his image edits in particular are damaging to the integrity and mission of Wikipedia and Media Wiki.

I have a good reason to suspect that this is User: Artin Mehraban who formerly had a sockpuppet account as User:History of Persia. The MO is very similar. Bad English, no reason for edits, false information, and focus on revising Persian History and image editing without sources. I also should point out that the name is very similar (Mehrdad v Mehraban.) I am bringing this to your attention because i believe action needs to be taken to block the account based on the history of edits. -- User:R9tgokunks (gespraec) 04:54, 19 November 2017 (UTC)