User talk:Moonriddengirl

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If you are here with questions about an article I have deleted or a copyright concern, please consider first reading my personal policies with regards to deletion and copyright, as these may provide your answer.

While you can email me to reach me in my volunteer capacity, I don't recommend it. I very seldom check that email account. If you do email me, please leave a note here telling me so or I may never see it. I hardly ever check that account.

To leave a message for me, press the "new section" or "+" tab at the top of the page, or simply click here. Remember to sign your message with ~~~~. I will respond to all civil messages.

I attempt to keep conversations in one location, as I find it easier to follow them that way when they are archived. If you open a new conversation here, I will respond to you here. Please watchlist this page or check back for my reply; I will leave you a "talkback" notice if you request one and will generally try to trigger your automatic notification even if you don't. (I sometimes fail to be consistent there; please excuse me if I overlook it.) If I have already left a message at your talk page, unless I've requested follow-up here or it is a standard template message, I am watching it, but I would nevertheless appreciate it you could trigger my automatic notification. {{Ping}} works well for that. If you leave your reply here, I may respond at your talk page if it seems better for context. If you aren't sure if I'm watching your page, feel free to approach me here.

Admins, if you see that I've made a mistake, please fix it.
Hours of Operation

In general, I check in with Wikipedia under this account around 12:00 Coordinated Universal Time on weekdays. I try to check back in at least once more during the day. On weekends, I'm here more often. When you loaded this page, it was 14:38, August 28, 2015 UTC (purge). Refresh your page to see what time it is now.


Dear Moonridden Girl, Thank you for taking time to reply, and for archiving my talk page entries. I will absolutely check into Teahouse next. Thanks for the invitation. Your suggestion to familiarize myself with watchlist is also well taken. Now that you've helped me familiarize myself with wikipedia basis on neutrality and conflicts of interest (which for a psychologist is quite understandable) my thinking about future contributions to my husbands page is to welcome the highest sourcing criteria; its appropriate and appreciated. My next objective is mastery of sourcing criteria for academic publications, especially essays, for that page. I'm learned so much about researching digital databases, (computers came after my graduate studies). Also, in terms of my further work on my husband's page, it should be helpful to track the changes of others I recently realized some past changes were inadvertently misattributed to me, and now there is an easier way to resolve any future misunderstandings of that nature. I also appreciate your inquiry into my areas of interest relating to new wikipedia projects. My research and professional practice orientation is essentially interdisciplinary across history, society, and the arts. My early academic background centered on ancient history and the areas of philosophical inquiry go subjectivity and aesthetics, which is where my interest hatched in the critical reflection of art, culture, and environment. Those interest have been refined into a focus on aesthetics and modernity, in relationship to the histories of cities (especially the City of New York) and civic organizations, and their legacies. My academic background in philosophy and aesthetics was also routed into applied psychology through the link of phenomenology, and particularly subjective experience, which connected me to mind/brain/ thinking/ consciousness topics in psychology. My graduate studies were again interdisciplinary, combining educational and clinical psychology, across seven practice ares.There isn't much that doesn't interest me about psychology, but the challenge of considering subjective phenomena throughout my workday compels endless interest in the phenomenology of intelligence and creativity and human behavior. Along the way, over 25-years of clinical practice, and in the context of my family life, the path was wide open leading to the human experience of the built environment, humanistic environments, and architectural analytics of modernism, especially applicable to education and healthcare settings. Also, my professional training as a psychoanalyst is another very different type of consideration of the biographies of living persons, so there is my interest in personal histories. That's probably way too much information! Whenever you have time to pass along any thoughts about future projects, please do. Working on my husband's page, I noted the absence of 'history of architecture' topics, including no pages about Carlo Scarpa, La Sagrada Familia cathedral in Barcelona, Spain, and certain important subtopics on the architecture of Frank Lloyd Wright. Thank you again for all of your help. I don't know how you keep tabs on over 2,500 pages! You do a great job of editing and you've been very patient and helpful. With appreciation, Annevalentino 18:38, 14 August 2015 (UTC)Annevalentino — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annevalentino (talkcontribs)

Will respond at your talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

Plagiarism and copyright[edit]

Thanks for explaining me the difference between those two, for I thought that they were almost the same, [EDIT] although I can still argue that it would be plagiarism to use copyrighted material over, over, and over as if the work really were one's own despite having credited its real author, which is why I did it. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 23:15, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

  • (talk page stalker) The 2 are not inexorably tied. You can have Plagiarism without it being a copyright violation: If you copy the text from a Public Domain source and pass it off as your own work, that is plagiarism but not copyvio. Likewise if you copy some copyrighted text, but add a clear and obvious attribution, then that is a copyright violation without being plagiarism. That is actually the more common thing we find from good-faith users. Just my 2p. CrowCaw 22:13, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Can we have our page back?[edit]

Hi There,

I am working to get our page American Association of Adapted Sports Programs, Inc., back up after it was taken down by you for an apparent copyright concern. We truly appreciate your diligence, however - please be advised that I - ~~BlueStormz (Tommie Storms) - am the cofounder of this organization, an officer of the organization, THE signer and FILER of all legal documents related to its copyrights and intellectual property and it is I who am attempting to have the page reposted.

I have enlisted another assistant - a Wiki editor - at one of our member schools to completely write a NEW PAGE if we can't get the old one released back to us. His concern however is that I needed to tell you who I am or you may block or take down our NEW PAGE or you cannot release the old one and we have to proceed in that manner.

Can you please acknowledge that we are clear to proceed without issue?

Also, can you release the old page? I wrote once before and got a nice note from you that also referenced your general page on copyright issues. It did not however acknowledge that request to release the page or let us know why you took it down.

Thanks very much.

Tommie Storms, Cofounder, COO/Director of OperationsBluStormz (talk) 13:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)BluStormz American Association of Adapted Sports Programs, Inc,

Replied at your talk page. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:54, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Arab Archery[edit]

I requested a review of Arab Archery on July 21 and haven't heard back, and now can't find the page. Has it been deleted or anything. Is there still a problem with it? Let me know. Thanks in advance. Hadden (talk) 14:26, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Hadden. As I mentioned last time you contacted me, the article has been moved to User:Hadden/Arab archery, as we can't leave it in article space. Those temporary space recreations are intended for before an article is deleted, and this one was created more than three months after. :)
The article is still inconsistent with copyright and non-free content policies in several ways. One of the requirements of quoting sources is that you have a defensible reason to quote the source, rather than simply putting the information in your own words. Just wanting the information that your sources presents is not generally a defensible reason. Some defensible reasons might be, for instance, to demonstrate an opinion: "According to Author X, this was important because...." Or to illustrate one. "This was important because that. Author X offers as an example of this...." The second and third sentences of the "Arab Archery History" section - why are those quoted? It looks like you are simply quoting because you want to use that information, not because you need that particular author's' words. The entirety of the following paragraph is a quote, which is an even bigger problem.
I'd recommend re-reading Wikipedia:Copy-paste and Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and making sure that the bulk of the article is written in your own language and structure, only using quotations where necessary. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I've taken out the quotes by Muhammad that seemed to annoy you so much. There are now no quotes in the article, so it should be clean to go. Are you the only one able to move it to the article page, or is there something more I need to do. Hadden (talk) 18:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Hadden, anyone can move it, including you. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:33, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 19 August 2015[edit]

Back doing little work.[edit]

The section track Live At The Final Frontier (album) is indeed a copy and paste here. But it is a list, how do we treat lists? And do we delete history when it was copivio? I think we do... Hafspajen (talk) 18:33, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I tried ... here, but I probably give up. Face-blush.svgHafspajen (talk) 22:33, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hello, User:Hafspajen. Please don't give up, copyright cleanup and Maggie need all the help they can get, and many of us have messed up at first while trying to help.

The article was flagged by CorenSearchBot, and that bot does a great job most of the time, but it probably won't ever be perfect - it's artificial intelligence. In this case, it found what looked like a long stretch of text from an external website - but it was just a track listing. There was nothing creative about it - as mentioned in Wikipedia:Copyright in lists: "Copyright in a list may exist in the content of the list or in the way that the content was selected and arranged. Copyright does not protect facts, but it does protect opinion. If a source is based on "value judgments", it may be protected by copyright, even if it looks very similar to fact. And even if the source is fact, copyright may still protect its selection and arrangement if these are creative."

Sending pings to User:Diannaa and User:MER-C - hoping they'll want to help us out here, since Ms. M hasn't been on en-WP for a little while. Novickas (talk) 15:45, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

  • I agree with Novickas, and welcome your help here, as much or as little as you want to do. When I first started, I didn't close any of them, but just gave my views on what I found and let someone else do the closing, and watched how it was tagged. From looking at your tags, I think you've got the right ideas, but have some issues with the wording of the tags. "Copy/Paste", for example... it makes sense that when someone copy/pasted from an Internet site, that this tag would apply, but actually the Copy/Paste tag is used specifically for copying between wikipedia articles. (That is perfectly allowed, but the copier has to say where they got it from.) The Copy/Paste from the Internet is just a plain-old copyright violation (G12 if speedy applies).
  • So don't be discouraged by having 1 or 2 listings get adjusted, especially in your first few dozen. As happens all too frequently on Wikipedia, thanks are not always forthcoming, so let me say it now: Thanks for the help! CrowCaw 21:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, User:Crow, such good advice, and seconding your thanks to Hafspajen. See, this project is much more welcoming than most. Possibly due to the precedent that Ms. M has set :) Novickas (talk) 22:31, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
The same principle applies to text -- if it's creative, it's copyrightable. I apply revdel when the copyvio is substantial or it has a high likelihood of being restored (e.g. plot summaries). Don't fret -- you're allowed to screw up on Wikipedia; treat it as a learning experience. We'll happily double check what you do. If you have any further questions feel free to ask. MER-C 09:05, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks everybody for your kind words! Hafspajen (talk) 03:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
  • User:Hafspajen, I'm sorry that you met this trouble and so grateful that you received such swift and helpful feedback in my absence. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:32, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject TAFI[edit]

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Hello, Moonriddengirl. You're invited to join WikiProject Today's articles for improvement, a project dedicated to significantly improving articles with collaborative editing in a week's time.

Feel free to nominate an article for improvement at the project's Article nomination board. If interested in joining, please add your name to the list of members. Thanks for your consideration. North America1000 10:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Your assistance...[edit] required to make sense of this mess.—SpacemanSpiff 11:40, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Oh my, User:SpacemanSpiff. :/ It looks like a lot of people have weighed in on that now. I don't have much time today, but am happy to try to help out this weekend with whatever remains in need of doing. It looks like User:MER-C has put together a mini-CCI in sandbox. If so, I can certainly help with cleaning up there then. :( --Moonriddengirl (talk) 13:26, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Luckily some of the edits in that don't belong to this editor/Eastern Books. There are probably less than 20 articles left to check now. —SpacemanSpiff 14:38, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 26 August 2015[edit]