User talk:Moonriddengirl

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If you are here with questions about an article I have deleted or a copyright concern, please consider first reading my personal policies with regards to deletion and copyright, as these may provide your answer.

While you can email me to reach me in my volunteer capacity, I don't recommend it. I very seldom check that email account. If you do email me, please leave a note here telling me so or I may never see it. I hardly ever check that account.

To leave a message for me, press the "new section" or "+" tab at the top of the page, or simply click here. Remember to sign your message with ~~~~. I will respond to all civil messages.

I attempt to keep conversations in one location, as I find it easier to follow them that way when they are archived. If you open a new conversation here, I will respond to you here. Please watchlist this page or check back for my reply; I will leave you a "talkback" notice if you request one and will generally try to trigger your automatic notification even if you don't. (I sometimes fail to be consistent there; please excuse me if I overlook it.) If I have already left a message at your talk page, unless I've requested follow-up here or it is a standard template message, I am watching it, but I would nevertheless appreciate it you could trigger my automatic notification. {{Ping}} works well for that. If you leave your reply here, I may respond at your talk page if it seems better for context. If you aren't sure if I'm watching your page, feel free to approach me here.

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Hours of Operation

In general, I check in with Wikipedia under this account around 12:00 Coordinated Universal Time on weekdays. I try to check back in at least once more during the day. On weekends, I'm here more often. When you loaded this page, it was 04:13, July 2, 2015 UTC (purge). Refresh your page to see what time it is now.

Copy pastes[edit]

Hi MRG, I came across Kareena Kapoor Khan and Angelina Jolie Pitt which were copy-pasted from Kareena Kapoor and Angelina Jolie respectively. One was reverted earlier and I reverted one now. I haven't been around for a while and I don't know if things have changed on this front. Do they need rev-del? It's a boat load of unattributed content that's sitting in the history of both redirects now. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 11:49, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

  • (talk page stalker) A revdel could be done, or a tiny edit to the article, attributing the copy in the edit summary, would also satisfy the license. (Personally, I've always questioned the usefulness of redirects like these, where you have to keep typing after the target name is already a match, just to get redirected to the shorter name!) CrowCaw 19:08, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
  • Didn't see this earlier and completely forgot about it. It seems to have been a one-off case by an editor, so I'm just leaving an edit summary now. I think the redirects were created after someone moved the pages, but I don't really care enough about that. —SpacemanSpiff 03:57, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Eranbot Project and Interested Wikipedians[edit]

Moonriddengirl, you seem to be keen on issues of copyvio and I could use your help. There is a group of us trying to promote the use of Eranbot. It uses Turnitin software (iThenticate) to look at all new en:wikipedia edits. Thus, it has a broader scope than CorenSearchBot and identifies copyvio issues in a different manner. As a relative newbie, what is the best way to recruit help and not distract or detract for existing copyvio efforts? I presume the +700 watching this page would be candidates. Would a message on the talk page suffice (that seems rather generic)? Your advice very welcomed.--Lucas559 (talk) 21:32, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Lucas559. I imagine the bulk of people watching my page aren't actually watching my page, but did so once upon a time and have forgotten. :) The few people watching my page who have an actual interest in copyright work are likely to be slammed with the work that we already have. WP:SCV, WP:CP and WP:CCI are perpetually backlogged (the last with likely thousands of listings dating back 5 years). I carry an ongoing add for copyright cleanup work at the top of this page for a reason, but it seldom seems to attract newcomers, and my occasionally efforts to rally newcomers at WP:AN seldom amount to much. All of this is, I'm afraid, amounting to, "I wish I knew." You might try at WP:VP, but I'm not sure if you will get much response. You could also see if the WP:Signpost is willing to feature another article on it, which might attract some newcomers. Good luck in any case, and I'm glad to see that you are interested in helping with copyright work. :) --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:43, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I am very keep on starting to help out with copyvio clean up work, and have done so with drafts (AfCs) for a while (see my CSD-logs, or ask on IRC, I tend to ask for RD1s a bit...), but I have never signed up or done anything "structuralized", so to speak. How and where can one "begin" helping out? It seems like you have to be a Copyviocleaner-clerk or something to help out everywhere... (tJosve05a (c) 03:35, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi, User:Josve05a. I would be delighted to have you pitch in. :) You don't have to be a copyvio clerk to do much; while there are some tasks that copyvio clerks need to do, all of the jobs at WP:SCV are open to anyone and almost all of the jobs at WP:CCI are open to anyone (all except opening and closing CCIs). There are many jobs at WP:CP that are open to anyone - investigating issues for validity, cleaning up copyright issues, etc. User:EranBot/Copyright/rc is also open to anyone and is pretty easy to do. Both WP:SCV and User:EranBot/Copyright/rc are generally easier than WP:CCI work because the content is brand new. While we do pick up mirrors (especially when content is moved from one article to another, which is of course a problem in itself if it's not attributed), false positives are somewhat rare. As a general rule of thumb, we try to clean up as we go in those areas rather than listing at WP:CP as that just postpones the backlog. I use WP:CP more for entrenched copyright issues, where interested editors may actually do a rewrite, or where permission is likely. You are very, very welcome to ask any questions about the work at any time. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:12, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
user:moonriddengirl thanks for your advice and support. user:Josve05a if you use the User:EranBot/Copyright/rc on the most recent watches it makes for quick reverting and less complicated copyvio analysis. Often it's obvious copy and pasting that can be undone. I leave a note in both the edit, the talk page (something like {{subst:Cclean|url=}}, and ping the editor. It would be great to have you working with eranbot.--Lucas559 (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
User:Lucas559, pinging the editor is great, but please also leave a note; the talk page note is an important record of issues to help us track when problems are persistent. :) It's also important to give them notice of the potential for block if they continue. I always check the history of a user for earlier issues when dealing with newly identified problems to see if additional action is necessary. Template:Uw-copyright-new and Template:Uw-copyright are typically your best bets, depending (obviously) on whether or not the user is new. It's also a really good idea if reverting for you to check the history of the editor to see if they've got a history of this, as a WP:CCI may be necessary. Unfortunately, some people do this over and over and over again, and the longer we go before catching that the more time must be wasted by people cleaning up their histories. :( --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:13, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

How much, if any,of the translation at Tel Dan Stele can we keep?[edit]

There are a couple of obviously useful lines mentioning Israel that would be good to have in the article. I've deleted the text, you can see it at [1]. Doug Weller (talk) 14:19, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Oi, Doug Weller. I wish I could give you a definitive, but I can't. :( Arguably, the translation is the heart of the work and thus most likely to attract protection, but only a court could say for sure. The fact that the work itself is so brief is problematic; with a longer work, you can more comfortable quote bits and pieces, and it's hard to selectively quote a total of 13 brief lines. Any way to selectively discuss disputed passages, with sourcing? --Moonriddengirl (talk) 00:39, 25 June 2015 (UTC)
Have to think about this. It's as I recall 2 lines that are the main issue, the mention of Israel. Thanks. Doug Weller (talk) 19:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 June 2015[edit]

Empty duplication detector reports[edit]

I don't know whether you are the copyright software detection expert, but even if not I bet you know who is. I know that CSB is maintained by Coren, (which is not an issue here) but I now realize we have more than one tool working and I don't know who is responsible for the other one.

Several articles were tagged today as possible copyvios, but the duplication detector report comes up empty. One useful article to look at is Human rabies treatment is that was tagged by both.

The CSB template contains a link to a duplication detector report which is not empty, as well as a Copyvios report which is not empty. However the tag at the top of the page has a link to a duplication detector report which is empty as well as a Copyvios report which is not empty.

This is not a one-off situation. Most of the articles listed in User_talk:Ali_qahremani have empty duplication detector reports. It is clear that the software is finding overlap or it wouldn't be doing the tagging but it seems to be failing to provide the correct report. Any thoughts?--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:31, 26 June 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Well, Sphilbrick, I'm definitely no software expert, but I can see the superficial cause of the problem: in the blank report, the wp page url is; that does not lead to a Wikipedia article. In the "good" report, the url is, which goes to our page on that topic. Why the link in the first is malformed I can't begin to guess. Is the "other" detection bot this one? Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:25, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I do not think so although I'm not sure. I just started looking into Aranbot issues but I spent less than half an hour on so conclude too much at this time.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:27, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
I see that the link was added by Ian.thomson I'll ask them. I see that the others were also added by Ian.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:32, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
Phil sent me a message about this. I'm afraid all I can do is verify that Ali qahremani's articles are all copyright violations (not possibly, but absolutely and truly so). I check for copyvios by Googling random portions of the text in quotes (and in Ali qahremani's case, finding complete exact matches), and making sure the source predates the article. I then load up the article and the source side by side and read through both. Sometimes I copy and paste the article text and suspected source over each other in notepad to more readily spot differences if they exist. I couldn't begin to guess what's up with the software, however. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:25, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Ian.thomson Given the observation of Justlettersandnumbers, I wanted to make sure that when you put together the template that you are adding the link to the Wikipedia article correctly. In other words, can you eliminate the possibility that you malformed the input. For example if you look at the malformed link it has the portion twice is it possible you are just supposed to enter the short name of the article in the bot as the prefix while you actually copied the URL from the address line and it's doubling it up?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sphilbrick (talkcontribs)
@Sphilbrick:: I used twinkle to add the db-copyvio tag. The only address I put in was the source address, not any Wikipedia article's address, so I could not have malformed the Wikipedia address. When I put in the source address (using Twinkle), I copied the source URL from the address bar (right clicking it once to select everything and selecting copy, instead of manually highlighting and using Ctrl+C, as the latter sometimes misses something), and pasted it into the Twinkle form. So the addresses I put in should not have been malformed either. It's either Twinkle, the dupe detection software, or something else software related -- not me. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:51, 27 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:41, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Can we check to see if the original Italian is copyvio here?[edit]

Editor adding material in both Italian and English and then translating. [2]. Thanks Doug — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Weller (talkcontribs) 13:08, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Doug. :) Yes, unless he's the sole author of the content on the Italian Wikipedia (whence it comes), that's a copyvio. Let me check and see; if he's not, I'll have a word with him about attribution requirements for translations. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:06, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. He's done quite a bit of this, I just hope he's improving the articles! Doug Weller (talk) 08:35, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Oi. He's done it again. I've had another word with him. Hope it won't be necessary to block. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi, we seem to have an editor who is a serial uploader of copyright images to Wikipedia. Mkmillenium (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log). Currently blocked for removal of cited text after final warning. Talk page access is in danger of being revoked too. He was editing the Celestyal Cristal article, adding a large section of that vessel's accident. The section was overly promotional, and also contained at best very close paraphrasing if not copyvio text from a different source (World Maritime News) but attributed to - It's a bit complicated. I will admit to one error in that I added as short, neutral bit about the accident into the vessel's history without realising that Mkmillenium had already added the accident section, which may be the reason this editor deleted it twice, but no edit summary was left so I can't be totally sure. In any case, after being given a final warning it was deleted again, which is why I blocked. The block is for a week, but in the meantime, there's the image problem. Would it be worth raising at ANI for a CBAN on uploading any images to en-wiki? Mjroots (talk) 20:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Mjroots. I've had a word with him, as he's pretty new, but we'll see what happens. The removal of deletion discussions without any evidence of effort to resolve the problem is really concerning. :/ --Moonriddengirl (talk) 01:04, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Talk page blanked at least twice overnight, so I've revoked his access to it. Jeez, you just can't help some people, can you? Mjroots (talk) 06:32, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
(talk page stalker)I'd given him the warning for removing three FfD listings without bothering to address any concern, and given that he's blanking his talk page, it seems clear that he knew what was expected of him, or at least find out if he had bothered to read the note(s) before blanking. —SpacemanSpiff 06:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
Looks that way to me, too. I'm not optimistic. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:47, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

Isaiah Anderson[edit]

@Moonriddengirl: Isaiah Anderson may have copyright problems71.47.9.186 (talk) 15:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)

A quick glance says that, yes, indeed it does. I hate sports articles. :/ (Only because I find sports mind-numblingly confusing and/or dull.) Thanks for pointing it out. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:25, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

MRG, Maggie, and TPSs[edit]

Can you please take a look at Nashik, I just removed over 40K of copyvios added by multiple editors over the past two days and have semi protected the page for another two days, left a talk page note and I am newbie-warning the multiple editors involved. Once the clean up started, I realized I could use some help for the following reasons: (1) Over 250 revisions of copyvio additions over the past two days, while rev del seems ideal, I'm not sure of the ramifications of deleting so many revisions. (2) Looking through the individual talk pages, it appears to be a class project or something like that and I'm not sure where to go for that as I don't see any instructor or other info. (3) Just some watchers would be nice. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 18:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

I've been able to attract the attention of two members of the group, discussion here. Feel free to chime in. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 20:02, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Wow. I'll come check it out. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:02, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Well, User:SpacemanSpiff, it looks like you're handling that beautifully. :) I've revdeleted. It shouldn't impact anything; it's all a short sequence filled with copy-pasted content. I'll try watching the page, too, but feel like you've really covered the necessary messaging. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 02:12, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks; yes, it's good that this group has responded positively, unlike a few others I've dealt with in the past, so I'm hopeful. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff 04:13, 2 July 2015 (UTC)