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Welcome[edit]

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Your signature, and Queer people of color[edit]

Hey Morgan, a couple things. I noticed you went back to the AfD nom for Queer people of color and changed some of the capitalization. If you go to your preferences, you can change the capitalization there so it always comes out as you want it (or you can get really crazy and change the color, font, put in links, etc.). Thought you'd like to know.

I also wanted to say something about your comment that deletion of Queer people of color would amount to bigotry. As the editor who nominated this article for deletion, I won't take your comment personally, but do hope you understand how i could easily take those comments to mean that I'm a bigot. Oftentimes discussions on Wikipedia can get heated and so it's important to keep a cool head; I hope that in the future you choose to use less inflammatory language.

Anyway, while we don't see eye to eye on the deletion of this article, I do hope that, regardless of the outcome of this AfD, we can collaborate in the future. Please let me know if I can help you with anything, be it technical, content-oriented, or admin-duty-related. Truly, JDoorjam Talk 02:04, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Its important for the sustenance of level-headed discussion not to dissect words as character assassination but to underscore what the proposed act of deletion really stands for in the given context. There are users that add peoples' names hardly categorized as a notable or historical figure(for example, a singer of a garage band whose career fell short after a couple of years), slang words/phrases(*there is abundant intellectualizing over the word "yo"- which also gets tossed into the controversy as arbitrarily taking up space), that are left unbothered. If an organization was called Queer People of Color how would that affect its nomination for being characterized as an "appropriate" encyclopedic definition? The reiterated "its just a term" response shows indication that those who are people of color exist and acknowledge it as self-identification and a strategic means to anti-colonialism and community building, queer people of color do not or have not done anything to make a mark for themselves to be recognized as an oppressed group of people. This arrival itself is censorship and oppression of voice. Anarkafrica 16:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Recreations[edit]

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Card game user templates[edit]

Well, they are not deleted yet, but that is the plan. However, if you have game specific images, I am very interested. I can add them to the master template. Also, I can give you a little gift to help with making your user page a bit more interesting where the card game user templates are concerned. Interested?
Lady Aleena talk/contribs 07:11, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

PS. I don't consider my user page fancy, I have seen a lot of user pages here, and mine is a bit plain by comparison. If you want to have the user infobox I have on the right hand side of my user page, let me know. I can help you get it. If there is anything else on my user page that you like, tell me and I will help you get it done on yours. I don't mind letting people copy me. :) - LA @ 07:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Minor edits[edit]

I noticed you created the page 41 shots and marked the edit as minor. You may want to go back and re-read when to mark an edit as minor, since page creation is definitely not listed. Natalie 15:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! That was an oversight on my part. I'll be more careful next time. - Morganfitzp 20:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, everybody screws up sometimes. Natalie 20:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Copyright licensing of Image:Cantastoria korea.jpg[edit]

I noticed you did not indicate the copyright status of Image:Cantastoria korea.jpg. If you know it, could you please place a copyright tag on it? The image page says the author released it, but does not indicate whether the author released it under a license or into the public domain. --Strangerer (Talk) 18:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

I added something. Please let me know if I did it right. Morganfitzp 05:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


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interested in the Portuguese-speaking world[edit]

Hi. I'm Beth, known on Wikipedia as Learnportuguese. I am very interested in the Portuguese language and the Portuguese-speaking world. The whole concept of saudade is fascinating. If you want, chek out my user page and talk page and put a watch on both. I have very interesting discussions there. You are very welcome to contribute. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 16:26, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

tip, but please do not reply[edit]

Posting major contributions and marking them as minor edits is not a good practice. I thought I'd let you know. It makes it harder to find your messages. :-) learnportuguese (talk) 01:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey there[edit]

Libertybell alone small.jpg You are invited to participate in WikiProject Philadelphia, a project dedicated to developing and improving articles about Philadelphia. We are currently discussing prospects for the project. Your input would be greatly appreciated!

You can also add yourself to the list of people to be invited to our next meet-up!


--evrik (talk) 19:07, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Agro-[edit]

Hi. I saw your work at Agro-. You're right to see agri- as an alternative to agro-, but it seems to me that agro- is more common as a prefix than agri-. I had the idea of setting up a page on agri-, but many of the words would simply overlap. I guess the taxonomic names and proper nouns would not, but the agricultural ones would. I've had a little bit of an edit to accommodate your change. Are you happy with that? - Richard Cavell (talk) 05:06, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of USAISAMONSTER[edit]

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Looks like the article is back. Morganfitzp (talk) 22:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs[edit]

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Roy Paci[edit]

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Will do. Morganfitzp (talk) 04:13, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

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November 2011[edit]

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Thanks for the info! This is really helpful to know and makes sense. I will do this in the future. Morganfitzp (talk) 16:05, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Barbu questions.[edit]

Hi, Morganfitzp!

I've just put a couple of questions on Talk:Barbu (card game). Since you seem to be a rather major contributor to the article, I believe that you know this game (I don't), and can answer them. Best, JoergenB (talk) 21:19, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Interwiki links[edit]

Hi Morganfitzp! When you created a new article on en.wikipedia.org and there is e.g. already an article on de.wikipedia.org it is enough to add an interwiki link in your newly created article. Robots (bots) will automatically add your article to the article on de.wikipedia.org. Regards, --Polarlys (talk) 17:09, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Awesome to know! Thanks for the info (and the bots!) Morganfitzp (talk) 20:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Please use recent secondary sources[edit]

Rather than blogs and papers more than 10 years old. Thanks Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:32, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Did you mean to say, "Please use recent secondary sources as well as blogs and papers more than 10 years old"? Morganfitzp (talk) 19:25, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Monster Movie![edit]

Hi,

Some time ago you added some interesting information about songs on Can's awesome Monster Movie. Can you please add references to source for that information?

Thank you! --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 07:49, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I did include a reference, cited Holger Czukay's Short History of the Can and added the Reflist tag. If any of the info I contributed to the article seems unsourced, it's due to changes made by other editors. Thanks! Morganfitzp (talk) 13:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

asanas don't have to be done in yoga[edit]

I've reverted your edit here because asanas are not exclusively done in yoga or in a yoga environment.Curb Chain (talk) 09:49, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Viparita Karani[edit]

Hi Morgan. I want to redirect Viparita Karani to a page where the asana is unassisted, as apparatuses are not notable since all asanas can be assisted with apparatuses. Which asana is the one where the soles of the foot are brought together with the legs making a diamond and right angles with the rest of the body?Curb Chain (talk) 08:32, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Viparita Karani can be done with out the use of props. The pose is supine with legs vertical. The most common variation without use of a wall resembles a modified shoulder stand with flexion in the thoracic (instead of cervical) spine, upper arms on the floor, elbows bent to send forearms vertical, hands supporting hips. A more advanced variation without use of a wall has the entire spine on the floor and 90° flexion at the hips with arms extended by the sides. Iyengar and many of his disciples disagree with the notion that poses have to be unassisted to be of note, hence Viparita Karani has become known as "Legs-Up-The-Wall Pose" and taught as restorative. Morganfitzp (talk) 07:13, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
So are the legs raised, but hethe back on the floor-and-supine? Iyengar is a kind of excersise yoga but we need to represent yoga generally and inclusively, meaning all the kinds of yoga, not just Iyengar. Is there a better name than "Legs-Up-The Wall Pose"? Having the back supine and legs 90degrees is a notable pose, but what is that name? Variations such as putting the soles together while maintaining the 90degress to the rest of the body is a variation, or the former a variation of this one.Curb Chain (talk) 23:05, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
The etymology section of the article reads, "The name comes from the Sanskrit words viparita meaning 'inverted' or 'reversed', and karani meaning 'doing' or 'making.'" Many sources support this. I've also seen it called "Upside-Down Seal." Morganfitzp (talk) 14:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

pose vs. asana[edit]

Pose really shouldn't be used as it can be ambiguous.Curb Chain (talk) 22:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Terms[edit]

Take care you don't revert good edits when you press the undo button. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Curb Chain (talkcontribs) 17:34, March 21, 2013‎

Take care that you sign your posts! Morganfitzp (talk) 21:34, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
Oops. Why do you insist on using the ambiguous term "pose"? And if an asana has multiple names, it is pointless to say "it is alternately called" or "it is alternatively called".Curb Chain (talk) 22:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
Asana is a Sanskrit word. Many words in Sanskrit splay out into a multitude of meanings when translated into English. The same is true of English words (e.g. the verb "to get"). Though "asana" literally means "seat", in English it appears as "pose" or "posture," and in 21st century English, "pose" is what most yoga practitioners use when translating "asana". Type "Trikonasana" into English language Google and you'll see that 7 out of the top 10 listings call it "Triangle Pose" in the article title; "Triangle Asana" is not a complete translation; "Triangle Posture" or "Triangle Position" come off as so formal to the point of being archaic; "Triangle Seat" makes no sense for a standing pose like Trikonasana as "seat" implies that one is sitting, whereas "pose" can be any form. One could say, "Configure the body into a triangle, channeling the prana and focusing the mind so that the spirit takes the figurative seat of the triangle." While this is very poetic, few English-speaking yoga teachers would say that. More often you'll hear, "Come into Triangle Pose" or simply, "Step into Triangle." Morganfitzp (talk) 03:55, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
I understand your point of view, but "pose", "position", and "posture" are equally ambiguous, and equally multisemantic. Per coining, "asana" has been established as refering to "yoga poses".Curb Chain (talk) 21:49, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
Well then, you may translate "asana" as "yoga pose" for the many laypeople who look at Wikipedia every day. Morganfitzp (talk) 04:53, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
PS: I noticed your edit of Bakasana that erroneously removed the word "Kakasana" from the photo caption and ignored a rather obvious violation of Wikipedia's how-to policy. Can you find that how-to? Morganfitzp (talk) 04:53, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
  1. I have translated "posture" and "pose" to "asana'"
  2. Removal of " / Kakasana" was not an error, nor did it violate WP:NOTHOWTO because:
  1. It is technically Crane that is being performed in the picture, as neither leg was suspended; both legs are supported by the arms.
  2. I changed the word, the term, of the subject matter; I did not describe how to do it. Inserting trivia such as "1st, 2nd, 3rd position" to help readers to do them, when such data is neither academic or statistically relevant is off topic, and as such, you did violate WP:NOTHOWTO. I see you said I make a good point, so why do you insist to argue?Curb Chain (talk) 00:39, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Streisand Withdrawal?[edit]

Hi, just wondering why you did this and what we could do now? --Trofobi (talk) 15:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Trofobi. What you've come across has a long story behind it. It's a personal story, relating to an individual who has struggled with relationships, homelessness, addiction, parenthood, anger, shame, regret, and wanting to keep things off the internet. As an editor of Wikipedia, I followed protocol by contributing to an article that I knew a lot about and providing references. As a human being in the offline world, I was subjected to a lot of rage by someone who did not want their past put on display for the online world to see. Other editors and I followed protocol and tried to have said article removed. It did not work, and the angry phone calls, text messages and letters continued to berate me and others.
I believe in Wikipedia and abide by its standards. Some standards, however, are higher: the standard of human dignity and one's right to privacy. As an eager young Wikipedian, I denied someone that right by putting information about them on the web and have since done everything in my power to undo this. But my power is limited and the best that I could do was show the upset party that by demanding that attention not be paid to something, more attention is drawn to it (a.k.a. "The Streisand Effect.")
Your question is a good one: What could we do now? Getting the article deleted altogether on the grounds of non-notability would be an honorable solution. Morganfitzp (talk) 21:35, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Step 13[edit]

Can you give a check to Talk:Surya_Namaskara#Step_13? here's the sectionCurb Chain (talk) 22:17, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Morgan, I think there is a clear mix up between the asanas and the mantras. Can you clear that up? What is the association between chakras and asanas if the mantras are supposed to be pronounced at Pranamasana?Curb Chain (talk) 03:26, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your article creations so far, most recently Harry Taussig, I award you this barnstar. Keep up the great work :). Ironholds (talk) 19:48, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Dab editing[edit]

   Hi! I don't think i've noticed your edits before, and before opening discussion w/ you of TO, i wanted to inform myself a bit about your Dab-editing experience, which already clearly includes some good work. I think you missed some substantial Dab and MoSDab considerations at Kundalini, so i'm going work on at least that one before leaving you a longer note -- and want to avoid any possibility you'd think "That SOB is out taking revenge for TO without even facing me!" If you'd like to communicate before i get around to msging you again, i won't feel interrupted, and i'll be monitoring yr talk page so that you can respond to me below in this same talk section in order to keep both ends of it together. Thanks,
--Jerzyt 00:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Jerzy! I had never looked at the MoSDab page before, rather I'd just intuited Dab formats with a few years of practice. Your reformatting of the TOC to the right was a good example outlined in this part MoSDab, which also highlighted the Aurora page as an example for long-list organizing. The disambiguation dos and don'ts page is also a handy guide. I think I handled most of TO correctly. I'll go back and look at it again.
Please feel free to have at Kundalini (disambiguation). It's oddly remained untouched considering that some of the pages that it links to have been a bit contentious. Morganfitzp (talk) 00:48, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

You also said, on my talk:

==Re-Dabbing Kundalini==

Hi Jerzy. I see that you're currently working on the various Kundalini pages. Some background on the term and its uses:

  • Kundalini energy is a yogic principle connected to the chakras and the central nadi (energy channel). It's a yogic theory of unlocking energy from the base of the spine and sending it upward toward the crown of the head and beyond. It is central to both physical and philosophical aspects of many forms of yoga.
  • Kundalini Yoga is a modern school of yoga that highlights the notion of kundalini energy. Hence the article previously titled "Kundalini" referred to kundalini energy.
  • It makes sense for the Dab page to just be the straight "Kundalini" and rename the energy page "Kundalini energy". Kundalini Yoga can remain where it is because it apecifies a partical style of yoga (cf: Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga, Anusara Yoga, etc.) Morganfitzp (talk) 01:52, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, i wasn't watching your talk page closely enuf.
  1. I screwed it up and am trying to track down where the energy-article content went. Not to worry, i either overwrote or deleted it, and i can fix either.
  2. If you convince me i'm wrong about a primary-topic i'll put it back.
Back to you quick as i can.
--Jerzyt 02:01, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
There is no wrong, these things are all subjective. Full disclosure: I am a yoga teacher. Morganfitzp (talk) 02:05, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
 ! I had decided, about half an hour ago, to say this to you:
They say everything can be replaced,
They say every distance is not near.
--Jerzyt 02:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Due attention to IAR notwithstanding, the guideline seems aimed at minimizing the total fuss experienced by the mass of individual users who actually type "Kundalini" in the wiki-search window, and lacking a means of measuring that, we've prescribed a test: google to find the number of pages on the Web that mention "kundalini" and the number that mention it in a context that implies whatever sense you are claiming is the primary sense. I hadn't intended to make such a test, but it can be a quick enuf one for the level of effort that i'm willing to devote to the matter:
"About 7,860,000 results" for <<kundalini>>,
"About 4,480,000 results" for <<kundalini yoga>>, and
"About 2,590,000 results" for <<"kundalini yoga">>.
Total mentioning "kundalini" 7.8M,
mentioning both but not the phrase 1.9M,
mentioning "kundalini" but not "yoga" 3.4M,
mentioning the phrase 2.6M.
For me the interesting group is the 1.9, showing (unsurprisingly) discussion of both concepts, yet (for me more surprising) on each of those pages, no need to use the phrase even once. Others more dedicated than i might come with a more enlightening analysis, but i don't think either of our former expectations is adequately supported, which is reason IMO for me to admit error and for the "equal Dab'n" default case to be applied, as i think you just said would suit you too.
--Jerzyt 06:01, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
Is seems quite clear to me that your Google search has confirmed that "Kundalini" is the primary topic. The creation of a disambiguation page is being challenged and it should be reverted (I would do it myself but need administrator privileges). Please respect the opinions of 3 editors (including myself) on the talk page. There are some valid and clear arguments in favour of "Kundalini" as the primary topic. Firstly though, as I have been saying - the creation of the disambiguation page needs to be undone by Jerzy as a matter of urgency as per the bold revert discuss guideline. Change it back to how it was and then let's discuss it. Freelion (talk) 11:48, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
M, i'm not sure i've followed everything you've had to say about the Kundalini dispute, but i've stopped responding to FL abt it, and i don't expect to pay attention to any further discussion on it. I find you an exemplar as a WP colleague, & hope you won't be inconvenienced by that change; if you should be so, i would welcome discussion with you about how i might be helpful to you in that regard, and i look forward to working with you as occasion arises in the the future. Thanks.
--Jerzyt 01:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Jerzy. Take it easy. Morganfitzp (talk) 02:44, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

To[edit]

   OK, i think i know better who i'm talking to.
You may have noticed that i added To in the course of a more general cleanup of TO; in an excess of thoro-ness i searched something like

to infinitive

against the chance that there was a relevant article, and was surprised to find that the infinitive and the preposition happened to be discussed together (i.e., in the same article, tho as two only superficially related subtopics) at grammatical particle, and decided that it wouldn't hurt to have an entry for any user who hoped against hope for an article on any of the English words spelled t-o. You recast it (calling them one word, despite preposition and article being different parts of speech, but never mind), and promoted the entry to an approximation of WP:primary topic which requires that to (disambiguation) be the page for the disambiguation, and that to redirect to grammatical particle. I'm pretty sure the G-test would show most uses of "to" are as one or the other of the two particles, but WP:NAD and it sure feels like the guidelines falling into madness.
   I'd like to stop feeling sorry i ever thot of the possibility of entries (or an entry, as it turned out) for those two particles, and to have at least your lack of active interest if i delete the entry for the particles and restore equal disambiguation.
   (That would also at least postpone, BTW, the need for you to absorb WP:DabRL -- actually not so much the guideline as the design considerations that underlie it. The "zero-order approximation" is "a Dab is different in almost every way from an article".)
   I trust you'll understand that any stridency in my tone reflects, if anything, annoyance with myself rather than with you; i'm certainly giving it too much power.
--Jerzyt 20:23, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jerzy. Don't lose to much sleep over it. Main thing is when someone searches for "to", that search should make all of the relevant meanings of that little word or acronym available. First and foremost, to as a grammatical particle, clearly as a preposition ("I've been to the mountaintop."—MLK) and as an auxiliary to infinitive verbs ("To be, or not to be."—Shakespeare). Two ways to go here:
  • If said search goes to a Dab page, then these grammatical particles are at the top and all other relevant uses appear below, as was the case last I looked.
  • If the search redirects someone to grammatical particle, then that search should also yield, "To redirects here. For other uses, see TO (disambiguation)."

Given the complexity of this simple little word, I think the first option works fine, gets users to what they're looking for in a manner that's succinct and easy to decipher. Morganfitzp (talk) 01:03, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Question[edit]

I see you list yourself as a yoga instructor on your user page. What kind of yoga do you teach? Gatoclass (talk) 11:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I teach hatha yoga. Morganfitzp (talk) 02:55, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
So you have no involvement with kundalini yoga at all? Do you have any connection to Yogi Bhajan and his teachings? Gatoclass (talk) 06:49, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Ah, I see where you're headed with your question. My study and expertise of yoga is wide. With regards to kundalini, I've studied the energy principle via many teachers in the Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga, Anusara Yoga, Forrest Yoga and yes, the Kundalini Yoga schools. While I bring some of Kundalini Yoga's kriyas into my own teaching and practice, I am not a Kundalini Yoga teacher. I have no relationship to Yogi Bhajan or 3HO other than knowing some other yoga teachers who happen to teach Kundalini Yoga, just as I know and have studied with people trained in Sivananda Yoga, Iyengar Yoga, Integral Yoga, Kripalu Yoga, etc. My role as a Wikipedian is to keep it NPOV and contribute to articles in which I have expertise, including music, performance studies, film, games, and yoga. Morganfitzp (talk) 15:48, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thank you for that comprehensive response - I just wanted some reassurance that the person I am dealing with has a truly independent POV before taking the kundalini yoga discussion further. I'd like to think you could answer some questions I have regarding this topic area - certainly it could use some input from knowledgeable and independent contributors. I have no time to elaborate ATM however, so hopefully we can continue this discussion tomorrow. Gatoclass (talk) 17:05, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. There have been a lot of editing wars on the kundalini articles, seemingly between adherents to and opponents of said practice(s). I'm neither. Morganfitzp (talk) 02:27, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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