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Hello there![edit]

I'll revert your reversion of me at Old Montreal, but I probably understand what you were thinking. Please allow me to explain. The American Archive of Public Broadcasting will likely be a huge deal. It's a joint project of the Library of Congress and WGBH and allows us to link to 40,000 hours of US public broadcasting. It seems to just be getting off the ground. I'll be sending an e-mail to their project director in a bit to see if they are comfortable being linked to by Wikipedia (I'd guess they will be). And maybe even suggest some changes, e.g. putting the "I agree" button to their terms of use in a more accessible place, and maybe even eliminating the pre-broadcast material (color check screen and buzzing) from the start of the clips.

It's a bit difficult to use now. But think of the upside. Probably half their material is usable in some article, e.g. even if the Old Montreal program was a bit touristy, it's got 30 minutes of video of the old city and some basic commentary. Maybe a better example is at Ellen Watson. It's a very "small topic" from Wyoming and it may not be obvious at first glance, but half the material in our article is from George Hufsmith's book. The 30 minute interview of Hufsmith about the book by Wyoming PBS should add a lot for close readers of the article.

So I'm experimenting a bit, as you can see. Your patience would be appreciated.

Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:17, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

All you just said sounds great...wonderful resource. The problem i have is the link goes to a page that says "Please note: This content is currently not available". Still does now - perhaps only USA can see the content? This would be a problem if many cant see any content....Who Reads Wikipedia? Same with link at Ellen Watson....perhaps best to bring this up at the pump or a NB before more are added.--Moxy (talk) 19:29, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, this is very good to know. I can get both those videos just fine now. If only 21% of enWiki readers are from the US (per Signpost article) and these video/audio clips can't be viewed/heard outside the US then I certainly won't post the links so prominently. My guess though is that this is not the case - no mention of it in their very long Terms of Service. Probably a start up glich on their part, or maybe they are getting overwhelmed by unexpected traffic. It does give me another question to ask the project director though.
Smallbones(smalltalk) 19:49, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
@Smallbones - Ok I see your still adding these links ...I will have to bring this up at a NB ....no one out the USA can see them. Will be working on removing them to external links later .....but after the NB post tonight. Spam that is useless is a wast of everyone's time...especially our readers. WP:ELNO #7-- Moxy (talk) 11:42, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
I've got a phone call scheduled for this afternoon with the Project Director. The block outside the US is certainly a problem and I'm still experimenting on how to include the content. There is no intent to spam here, there is just a ton of newly available video and audio that I'd personally like to see included. My basic strategy will likely be as follows: no linking in the body of the article via the external media template, links only at the bottom of the article in the external links section, and only for essentially American topics (e.g. Durand, Michigan, population about 3,000). Citations or footnotes could be included anywhere pretty much the same as a book can be cited even if it's not online. I'll see if their project director has any suggestions or simple solutions.
BTW, I am personally vehemently against paid editing. You can easily check my record on this. This is not a case of paid editing. One of the reasons I am so much against paid editing is that in situations like this where it seems very important to an editor to get something done, the question almost automatically arises. One of the things I really want to get done on Wikipedia is the inclusion of more video. Thanks. Smallbones(smalltalk) 15:51, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

help![edit]

I don't understand how to use this to edit pages..please help lol

Cheekaboo101 (talk) 21:44, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Cheekaboo101 (talk) 23:02, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Removal of video at Evolution[edit]

--Moxy (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2016 (UTC) Could you clarify why you said that "80% can't see" the video? I have taken the liberty of reverting the removal for now. Gamall Wednesday Ida (talk) 14:57, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Actually, I think he was mistaken in the belief that, since I added it, it was from the American Archive of Public Broadcasting (see above). It's not. It's just an outstanding video showing evolution in action from Harvard Medical School. It should be accessible everywhere. Smallbones(smalltalk) 16:04, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Smallbones: Thanks for clarifying this. As a European reader, I too would remove region-locked content, and with extreme prejudice. Your video is fine, region- and content-wise, so far as I can see. Gamall Wednesday Ida (talk) 16:16, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Very odd I never noticed this post before.... yes that YouTube video was a mistake on my part. All the external links could be used as sources if there is any more relevant info to be added.Moxy (talk) 16:25, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Moxy, User:Gamall Wednesday Ida I'll try not to take up too much of your time, but as long as I have your attention, could you check out the link I put at the very bottom of WCTE. Does this type of link seem reasonable? Smallbones(smalltalk) 16:44, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
A link to Beekeeping? Have you read WP:ELNO #7? ....best not to add links to more info if it is useable by 80 percent of our readers. No runaround links pls.--Moxy (talk) 16:52, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Smallbones: As expected I get "Please note: This content is currently not available at your location.". I am proceeding to remove the link with the extreme prejudice I mentioned earlier :-) Gamall Wednesday Ida (talk) 17:00, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
(EC) Actually I removed the Beekeeping link at WCTE and replaced it with a link to the search at AABP that gives all 75 WCTE videos there. Why give one example when I can link to the whole list? I really do think 90% of folks who look at the external links of a small Tennessee PBS station are probably located in the US, and it's clearly labeled as only being available in the US. I had also used the Beekeeping link at Beekeeping in the United States, is that what you mean by a runaround link? I'll make sure to take this discussion to the EL noticeboard after I talk with the AAPB folks. I'd think there is some wiggle room in the EL guideline for cases like this, but we'll see. There's no use fighting all the EL folks, but I also think it greatly improves the encyclopedia, e.g. to WCTE content linked to the WCTE article. BTW, your comments have been quite useful so far. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:13, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Wyoming Supreme Court documentary link removal[edit]

What was the accessibility issue with this link? postdlf (talk) 18:52, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

See above....only 20 percent can see it (USA) only.--Moxy (talk) 19:08, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
"not viewable outside the U.S." might be a better edit summary then. Just pointing to the guideline, I was left to guess what the problem was. postdlf (talk) 19:19, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
True true....will do so in the future....my bad.--Moxy (talk) 19:21, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Some good news[edit]

External video
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French Chef; Lasagne a la Francaise,11/25/1970, 28:37, WGBH Open Vault[1]

I talked with the project director at AAPB. It turns out that a related archive, WGBH open vault is not region blocked, so I'll have lots of work to do on this side of the story. Do please double check that it is not blocked, being in the US I can't do that myself. WGBH owns the content, so there should be no problem linking to it. They (AAPB) is also considering removing the region block, but lawyers do take their time. I do hope that folks won't get worked up over a AAPB link in the Durand, Michigan article. There you've got seniors in 1967 talking about working on the railroad, fights in the bars, dances and, indirectly, sex in the 1920s - you just can't find material like that anywhere for a town of 3,000 and almost nobody but Americans would want to listen to it anyway. In any case, I'll spend the next several days looking at the open vault material and delay the discussion at the EL noticeboard until I know exactly what I want to do with all the material. Thanks for all the feedback. Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:30, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

I can see it!! :-) small vid half way-down the page. --Moxy (talk) 20:36, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
So can I. Smallbones, note that you can verify yourself if some medium is accessible outside your country, via VPN services. There are many of those, free and not. I sometimes use the Hola plugin for Chrome. The main drawback is that some websites blacklist those, especially the free ones, so sometimes you have to cycle through some IPs before getting a hit. Gamall Wednesday Ida (talk) 20:48, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
Thanks again to both of you. Smallbones(smalltalk) 23:07, 15 September 2016 (UTC)