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Sources of Jesus[edit]

Hi Mpolo, good job on neutralising the issue and presenting all POVs on the sources of Jesus edit: I concur with that. I'm glad some Christians are honest enough to present both sides of the story. The Rev of Bru

Dactylic Hexameter[edit]

Hi Mpolo, Thanks for adding material about the Latin translation of How the Grinch Stole Christmas. I'm baffled on one point: what is the meter used in the translation? It clearly has too many syllables to be dactylic hexameter. Do you know?

Thanks very much, Opus33 15:28, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Actually, after I wrote that, I became convinced that it is not really in verse at all. (Just hadn't come around to correcting the entry.) The Latin text is "really Latin", but in a somewhat rhythmic prose. (I last read it two Christmases ago...) Mpolo 15:37, Sep 8, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks, Mpolo. Opus33 18:17, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Translate title?[edit]

Hi Mpolo, back again--

It occurred to me that

Quomodo invidiosulus nomine Grinchus Christi natelem abrogaverit

is unlikely to be a literal translation of How the Grinch stole Christmas. Might you provide the Grinch article with a literal English translation of the Latin title?

Thanks very much, Opus33 15:59, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for translating Cayley-Purser algorithm (I put in the original request); cheers! — Matt 09:16, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

AND MD2 and Rabin cryptosystem. Good stuff. — Matt 09:19, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Sesame Street[edit]

Thanks for you support! I'm fixing the captions right now. -- user:zanimum


I realize the redirect problem, though there already seems to be huge problems with that within the pope articles. I'm not making these changes with any consensus, rather I'm following the manual of style, which says (in emphasis even) not to use titles in the article name. Pope and Saint are titles, and I don't see any reason they'd be exempt from the rule. The last line does make it somewhat an objective decision however, and I'll stop moving anything else for now. Sarge Baldy 19:33, Oct 10, 2004 (UTC)

Translation help (Spanish->English)[edit]

Can you help me out with the following sentence from es:Escuela de Salamanca: "Incluso es preferible un acuerdo regular, aunque se sea la parte poderosa, antes que comenzar una guerra." I'm translating the article at School of Salamanca; feel free either to edit there, or to message me back. -- Jmabel|Talk 06:04, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

Image of Edessa[edit]

Good clarifying edits at that entry. Wetman 20:20, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Admin nomination[edit]

Thanks mate. I appreciate the kind words and vote of support! Good to see another Christian on the 'pedia also. - Ta bu shi da yu 06:33, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)


Since you put your name down as a spanish to english traslator i thought you might be interested in the new Spanish translation of the week collaboration project. This weeks collaboration is Género chico.(Disclosure: this is a bit of a "mass mailing", I'm working my way down the list of Spanish-to-English translators.)

paz y amor, The bellman 06:28, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Your comment on Talk:Jew[edit]

Moses commanded "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life", but today, Israel's policy seems to be "you kill two Israelis, we bulldoze a block of houses and kill 10 Palestinians". (Personally, I find "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, life for life" to lead into a cycle of revenge and hatred as well, but then, that's my Christian convictions, and I can't force them on you...) Mpolo 08:05, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

I found it highly objectionable and uncalled for. Taking the liberty of moving it here to avoid a religious war. Perhaps a couple of examples to make my point clear: the sordid events in Vietnam or in Iraq are not attributed to Americans as a nation, French atrocities in Algiers are long forgotten, etc. but those vile Jews, I'm telling ya! Considering the location you chose for that unfortunate comment, this is how I (as a Jew) read it: bloodthirstiness is typical Jewish trait since the Mosaic times, whereas we Christians are always soft & cuddly and turn another cheek. Consider "Bigotry-finder rule 101": Take a situation, change the race, religion, sexual orientation, or other aspect of the players' identities, and see if the same results apply. Kenneth Stern Please see also blood libel, deicide, Christian anti-semitism, Israel Defense Forces#The Code of Conduct, etc. In the future, I'd appreciate you NPOV in these and other sensitive matters. Regards. Humus sapiensTalk 21:35, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
French atrocities in Algiers are most certainly not long forgotten - not in Algeria, anyway, and they shouldn't be in the West either. - Mustafaa 00:50, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I respect your opinions and understand/admire your peaceful intentions, hope you can understand mine, too. It is wrong to expect the Israelis to always turn another cheek. "Whoever is merciful to the cruel, will ultimately be cruel to the merciful." [1], [2]. Personally I think it is right thing to do to go after known "ticking" terrorists and their leaders, in order to avoid further civilian casualties. BTW, Ariel Sharon is democratically elected head of democratic state, with reliable systems of govt oversight in place. Please read some reputable sources on the subject before jumping to conclusions. I recommend ISBN 0385509057 to anyone, friend or foe. Peace. Humus sapiensTalk 10:48, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hitler was a democratically elected head of a democratic state. CheeseDreams 13:03, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Marginated Tortoise[edit]

Thanks for the translation on Marginated Tortoise. I've got the images in, although I've moved them around a bit to make better sense. However, I must have made some mistakes on my educated guesses/BabelFish bastardisations of the image captions and image page descriptions.

I'm pretty sure I got the image filename wrong on one of the nest building/incubation images. -- Solipsist 21:49, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hello, I'm the one who nominated Marginated Tortoise for FA. There's been a question about the article that I can't answer, I was wondering if you could take a look at it. Thanks, Eudyptes 22:40, 28 Oct 2004 (utc)

Vaticinium ex eventu[edit]

Marvelous translation, unbelievably fast. -- Itai 12:50, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I'll do my best[edit]

I'll do my best, but I'm quite involved with some POV warriors trying to ruthelessly inject extreme bias into various articles right now, including Yasser Arafat, so I'm a bit tied up. Jayjg 09:07, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I've been watching, and so far CheeseDream's edits seem relatively reasonable. I note he dealt with the Mithras controversy on Historicity of Jesus pretty fairly; what do you think? Jayjg 23:52, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

John Vanbrugh[edit]

Hi, Mpolo, thanks for supporting John Vanbrugh for FA and for fixing the image problem. I uploaded those images of the actors, and I think ALoan sacrificed a goat over the float thing. Uh, if you have the time, is it possible to explain what the problem was, in extremely simple terms? They looked good in my Mozilla. Then again maybe Mozilla for mac, that I use, is a different matter than some other Mozillas? That question itself probably shows my ignorance, so please feel free to go with "Mozilla for mac is quite different and the rest is too hard for you" if you like. :-)--Bishonen 01:10, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus[edit]

Please take a look at the section of the talk page on "edits as of Nov. 1." I am in an editing dispute with CheeseDream and someone has protected the article until the matter is resolved. I would appreciate it if you would look at the last version of eh article by me, before it was protected, and compare that to the last version by Cheese Dream, and then go over my discussion with him on the talk page, and comment. Thanks, Slrubenstein

I notice Slrubenstein is trying to bring people who he sees as supporters of his POV into the discussion (see his contributions list). I do not think this is a very NPOV thing to do. CheeseDreams 00:09, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sources of Jesus[edit]

This article has just been, IMO, vandalised. It was NPOV before; presenting both sides of the arguement- and user:Sam Spade has basically deleted everything he disagrees with, and inserted a great deal of bias. I would support a revert to your most recent version. The Rev of Bru

I am dealing with this article by merging it into Historicity of Jesus at some later point I will re-seperate it into a daughter article to replace the existing Sources of Jesus page. CheeseDreams 13:06, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Ich bin der Autor des Wikipedia- Artikels über die MARGINATED TORTOISE und das Buch EUROPÄISCHE LANDSCHILDKRÖTEN.Ich freue mich sehr,dass Sie sich die Mühe gemacht haben, den Artikel zu übersetzen und schicke ihnen viele herzliche Grüsse. Richard Mayer Seite:

Sam Spade[edit]

Can you help fend sam off from the Historicity of Jesus page until I have at least managed to finish the edit? (I live in the UTC timezone, so am about to go to sleep).CheeseDreams 00:20, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Authorship of John[edit]

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for all you did on the John page. It was severely lacking in actual information which caused it to be immediately skewed and you fixed it. Great job. --[[User:TheGrza|TheGrza]] 01:32, Nov 10, 2004 (UTC)

Hi, Ive had a look at the article as you asked, and it seems sort of NPOV. However, I don't think its NPOV to have the article split up into two sections marked (something like)

  • Traditional view
  • Criticism of traditional view

And then have the counter argument to the criticism in the criticism section. The traditional view section is one sided, but the criticism section has both sides. This is not neutral - if you think of it as follows The criticism and counter criticism in the criticism section cancel each other out. However, the net result of that is to leave the traditional view uncontested. This is POV.

I also think that some of the bits tagged out ought to go back in, ill try and do that. And I have an unfinished sentence tagged out too. CheeseDreams 19:29, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Jesus[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to drum up some discussion regarding the scope and goals of the project by dropping a note on all the partcipants Talk:

Could you please comment on the scope and goals of the project? It is likely this project will become the meta-mediation point for many of the currently uncoordinated discussions, which is why Mpolo suggested it in the first place. - Amgine

Amgine 18:33, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Help please[edit]

Biblical inconsistencies is currently a messy list. Could you help tidy it up (it is huge)?

It will probably need to be cut into sections (e.g. by part of bible) and each section moved to a new page. 00:20, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Great work on this article. I am not sure I have ever seen an article improve that much that fast. Rmhermen 14:26, Nov 11, 2004 (UTC)
Yes, it seems much better now. I think there should be some development on the Gospels though, as there is quite a lot of stuff there, that I think is usually used to point out that John is written by someone with an opposing POV to the Synoptics - maybe this should go in the Authorship page?
I also think that the Paul vs. not Paul inconsistencies are important in identifying whether Paul is connected to the Apostles at all - maybe I will put this somewhere in the Jesus historicity page, though it will probably need to be an article on its own.
And then there are some bits about the collation of the Old Testament (this should maybe go in the History of the Old Testament article/section of article).
But as a start, it looks good. CheeseDreams 19:35, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)


Ich habe gesehen, dass Du das Rabin-Verfahren ins Englische übersetzt hast, Respekt! Vielleicht hast Du ja auch Lust, das sehr ähnliche Elgamal-Verfahren zu übertragen. Mein Englisch wäre eher eine Zumutung :-) Stern 00:25, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Biblical inconsistencies[edit]

Great rewrite. RickK 21:28, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Jesus and textual evidence[edit]

I have completed the re-write of the textual sources part of the Historicity article, and merged it with the old Sources of Jesus page. I have also moved it to a clearer and more NPOV title (preserving a redirect). Would you have a look and see if it needs some work? CheeseDreams 13:41, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks, looks good now. CheeseDreams 17:15, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Request for mediation[edit]

It is a requirement of Wikipedia policy that you are informed of the following link's existence: Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#Slrubenstein

It is also a requirement to inform of the following link (although Slrubenstein failed to comply with the requirement): Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#Users CheeseDreams and Amgine

List of Biblical Stories[edit]

this is how lists are rendered not as seperate list articles. CheeseDreams 23:20, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think I suggested that myself... I agree that it's a much better solution. Thanks for taking the trouble to do it. Mpolo 08:17, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

cultural and historical context of Jesus[edit]

The page is now unprotected. I added a good deal of information; CheeseDreams just reverted it. Please compare my version to the previous one (FT2) and comment. Thanks Slrubenstein


Thanks for translating the de: version of the ElGamal article! Perhaps you might like to drop a note on the de: page noting User:Chris Peikert's concerns about accuracy? — Matt 21:40, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Cain and Abel[edit]

Thanks for the more precise image tag! --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:25, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

Alleged tomb of Jesus[edit]

An anonymous user created this article (at the location Tomb of Jesus - I moved it). You may wish to NPOV it. CheeseDreams 19:26, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Bible project[edit]

Could you define the word "Bible" as it is meant in [Wikiproject:Bible] please? I'm interested in the intended scope of the project. Thanks!Pedant 00:04, 2004 Nov 30 (UTC)

Maybe "Christian Bible" would be a more appropriate title then? (since Bible is so generic that the project page might need disambiguation from "Vegan Bible", "Vitamin Bible", "Shooter's Bible" etc, as well as other scriptures whose adherents might object to the use of 'bible' as meaning only the Christian texts ... Pedant 14:44, 2004 Dec 4 (UTC)


I'm 2/3 of the way through now (its a bit slow because there is now a cabal of fundamentalists tracking me - see Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/CheeseDreams, and Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus)

I have finished the 2nd 1/3 of it and made it a daughter at Jesus and syncretism

I think its currently as NPOV as I can make it, as I don't know many of the counter-arguments (I have included the ones that were mentioned by you in the original article, and some others that I found via google) - would you mind taking a look?

CheeseDreams 01:04, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The Humungous Image Tagging Project[edit]

Hi. You've helped with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Wiki Syntax, so I thought it worth alerting you to the latest and greatest of Wikipedia fixing project, User:Yann/Untagged Images, which is seeking to put copyright tags on all of the untagged images. There are probably, oh, thirty thousand or so to do (he said, reaching into the air for a large figure). But hey: they're images ... you'll get to see lots of random pretty pictures. That must be better than looking for at at and the the, non? You know you'll love it. best wishes --Tagishsimon (talk)

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

CheeseDreams arbitration[edit]

As you are not a participant in this arbitration you cannot add to the arbitration page itself. You can, if you have evidence, put it on the evidence page. Fred Bauder 17:06, Dec 11, 2004 (UTC)

Or I can write a section which basically says Mpolo said - Cheesedreams 22:33, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Missing Pia image[edit]

Hi Mpolo. Have you noticed that your contribution of the Pia Shroud image (the negative face close-up) has somehow gone missing? I tried to track down what happened but was stymied. It's almost like a sysop blew it off the server altogether but left no trace of his/her action. Filename was Shroud-of-Turin-face-1898.jpg. JDG 21:12, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have just worked something interesting out[edit]

For more information, see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rienzo CheeseDreams 00:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)