User talk:MrMoustacheMM/Archive 1

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Re:Fuck the Facts members[edit]

Hey, that is probably a good idea. I updated the page. I guess I just wanted to make the distinction between when he was just a touring member, and when he actually joined the band, but I guess it is explained well enough in the body of the article. :) Cheers! Ibanez Guy (talk) 22:40, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Day of Light[edit]

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KMFDM Edits[edit]

Thanks for the comments. Yes, we have had some disagreements, but I appreciate your passion for trying to get all the KMFDM information as accurate as possible. Obviously, I share it! :) Your concerns about good sources for release dates etc. are legit, and yeah, if Sascha would put that information up, it would save us a lot of headaches. Unfortunately, I bet even he can't distinctly remember when a lot of releases came out at this point! (talk) 23:00, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Discography Fixes[edit]

What do you think about re-organizing the discography page and template to match the listing on the main KMFDM page? The main page has Albums, Singles, and EPs/Remix Albums, while the other two have EPs and singles together, and remix albums separate. I think keeping EPs and Remix albums as one group, and singles alone as another group, makes more sense overall, since EPs and Remix albums aren't always clearly distinct. (talk) 18:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I added an option to the KMFDM discography page for a new way to organize things. As for your comments on whether certain items are singles or EPs, such as Glory, I would say that any release that has only mixes of songs from an album, and is not a full album in length, should be considered a single. EPs, by definition I believe, must be comprised of at least some original tracks unreleased elsewhere. If Trust had never been put on Nihil, Glory would be a step closer to EP status, but maybe still not there, since many singles have previously unreleased B-sides. (talk) 00:42, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Rudolph Naomi[edit]

Check out Talk:Split (song). What do you think? Torchiest (talk) 03:01, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Steve White on WWIII?[edit]

Check the WWIII talk page for my comments. (talk) 12:39, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Sascha Konietzko[edit]

Hey, check out the Sascha Konietzko page. Someone kinda screwed it up with a bunch of garbage, and I tried cleaning it up, but I think it still needs some more work. See what you think. (talk) 15:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)


Hey. I noticed that you took away that information concerning the vinyl output of the album. I don't disagree with that, considering the unsourced nature of the information. Also, I guess you're saying that "vinyls" is not a word. What would be the plural term of that word then; would it simply be "vinyl", just like elk is to elk? Thanks. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 03:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

All right, that's cool. And thanks for the complement. You are also a pretty good editor around here. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 04:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)


Hey there. I know you were trying to clean up Xtort, but if you have any issues with it right now, could you please go to the talk page to discuss major changes before slicing out paragraphs? I'm currently in the middle of a good article review, and the article has been vetted a couple times already. I'd definitely appreciate help in adding content and building it up to GA status, but check out the Xtort good article review page to get an idea of what's going on first. Thanks! Torchiest (talk | contribs) 06:47, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Industrial Invitation[edit]


You have been invited to join the Industrial WikiProject, a collaborative effort to build a more detailed guide on Wikipedia's coverage of industrial music. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks or add some of your own.

I don't know if you're that into industrial music, of if it's mainly KMFDM, but I'm trying to get this project revived, as it's on life support right now, and I'm the only person working on it. If you're interested, come check it out! Torchiest (talk | contribs) 15:27, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Requesting move of MDFMK (EP)MDFMK (single)[edit]

I thought you'd want to participate in this conversation. Go here to join the discussion. Torchiest (talk | contribs) 04:35, 27 April 2010 (UTC)


It's funny that you deleted my edit because it wasn't backed up by a citation of a source, yet the all albums (except Pure) have the Experimental tag, yet they don't have cited sources, I edited the Godflesh genre to Experimental because nearly all the albums have the tag (except Pure).-- (talk) 07:43, 27 April 2010 (UTC) Sorry i snapped at you.Bad at work that day. -- (talk) 23:09, 28 April 2010 (UTC)


You appear to have deleted the pornogrind article whilst trying to sort out the deathgrind/goregrind mess. I'm trying to work out how to restore it... any ideas? Blackmetalbaz (talk) 02:05, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember deleting it, nor does the Revision History say I touched it, so I dunno? It looks like Lykantrop deleted it, and you restored it... MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Incredibly Obese Black Man[edit]

MrMoustacheMM, the titles and track lengths for the old KMFDM albums do matter. I understand what it says in the liner notes of the Extra album, but I own both Extra and original singles and the mixes are slightly different. I added one such example with the Brute single. The "Original Album-Mix" on the single is slightly longer than what you will find on the Extra album. Please be true to each album and not generalize information between album releases. Thanks. (talk) 6 September 2010 (UTC)

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Sascha Konietzko divorce[edit]

Hey, I thought you might be interested in participating in this discussion. Torchiest talk/edits 20:38, 22 September 2010 (UTC)


i! I reverted some of your edits on some Bloodbath pages, specifically Resurrection Through Carnage and Breeding Death. Crediting things like "death grunts" is really too specific, "vocals" handles it quite well. Also, instruments are not proper nouns, and should not be capitalized. Finally, some of your edits removed some wikilinks, which I have restored as they are relevant to the article: all the members have their own wikipedia pages and as such should be wikilinked. I'm sure your edits were in good faith, so this isn't an angry message, I just wanted you to be aware of why your changes were reverted. Thanks for contributing!

Hi, No Hard Feelings about what you have done I can at least maybe chat with you properly unlike with Nymph (or whatever) so I will handle this as best as I can. I would have disagree and say that they are Death grunts even if they are specific. Vocals redirects Singing and I don't think it's Singing cause Singing involves Clean Vocals with Harmony while Death growls is the complete opposite. As for the Instruments I didn't capitalize them purposely for proper noun use I was just trying to match them exactly with the Articles Names. Wikilinked? I didn't realize what that was and if I was doing stuff to it so what are they? So I hope you you listen to my situation. M4pnt (talk) 19:03, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

You don't have to match things to the article name. What you do is singing, but what you hear on the album is vocals. Just like it is the drums you hear; i.e. someone drumming on a drum kit, but not just a "drum kit". A drum kit does not sound unless you drum them. Also, you do not capitalize things just because the article is capitalized. Wikipedia can figure out caps itself. Nymf hideliho! 22:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Also, does the credits on the album say "death grunt"? If so, feel free to list it. If not, you are adding original research. Nymf hideliho! 22:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

"Wikilinking" is where you use and brackets around words to link them to other Wikipedia articles. In this case, you removed those brackets from around the musicians' names, so instead of Mikael Akerfeldt linking you to his page, it just said Mikael Akerfeldt. Since Akerfeldt (and the other musicians) have their own pages, it's a good idea to link them to those pages. Regarding "death grunts" vs. "vocals", Nymf is correct in saying that we should only call them that, if they are credited like that in the album or some other reliable source. Otherwise it is original research (regardless of it being true). "Vocals" is more general, and covers more ground (in case there are some screams, singing, or other such vocalisations). Regarding the capitalizations, I understand what you were doing, however it is unnecessary, as those uncapitalized links will find their way to the correct page.

I knew that's what Wikilinking is. I was just making sure. Now the reason why I did that is because there was so many links. Don't we need one? For Original Research I understand it now so I won't make that mistake. Lastly do articles really need to be redirected? If we know the name of the Article can't we just name it the way it is? M4pnt (talk) 22:28, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Breeding Death[edit]

Ok, now how shall we have this page to both of our likings. M4pnt (talk) 07:05, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Like I said on Talk:Breeding Death, if you can find a policy-based reason to change the tracklist, then bring it up and we can discuss it there. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
  • where does it say about not shortening EP's? M4pnt (talk) 23:26, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
  • you say by making it a reissue it's too short. get it? M4pnt (talk) 01:53, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
  • we can't have a discussion? M4pnt (talk) 01:58, 11 December 2010 (UTC)


I e-mailed your hotmail account. I got the address from UHB; hope it's correct. Torchiest talk/edits 05:07, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Got it. Replied. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 06:38, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Sascha's edits[edit]

I dug back through the KMFDM history, because I remembered seeing a few edits by Sascha, and I found the IP address he edited from. Looks like he quickly got pissed when people challenged his corrections. Of course, he was prone to using a little WP:PEACOCK language, but of course, that's just his style. I find it amusing that he used the term wiki-nazis back then too. Torchiest talk/edits 20:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, thanks for the link! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:21, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

KMFDM - taking it to the next level[edit]

I've been considering submitting KMFDM to be a featured article candidate. I'm sure you noticed the whole good article process I took it through last year, but this will probably be a much heftier job than I can handle on my own. Would you be willing to chip in with some help in editing and discussion when the review process gives what is bound to be a ton of criticisms? I'd love to get KMFDM up to featured article status sometime in 2011. Torchiest talk/edits 23:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm willing to put in some work. As stuff comes up to fix, I can volunteer for specific tasks (and fix up minor things on my own). Count me in. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 01:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Okay, I made some more changes and additions tonight, and nominated it. Add this page to your watchlist, and let's see what happens. Torchiest talkedits 06:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Sounds good. If something is brought up that I think I can tackle, I'll have a go at it. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 18:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
Well that was pretty disheartening. I feel like the article was blown off without much feedback at all. Torchiest talkedits 18:56, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that didn't go too well. Maybe try that peer review thing that admin suggested, maybe that'll help. I still think the article has improved over the last few weeks though. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 05:31, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe. I tried that with Xtort last year and got almost zero feedback there as well, and the feedback I did get wasn't very helpful. I get the feeling the FAC process is very cliquish, and you're kind of ignored unless you're part of the in group. I'll probably try to get some more album articles up to good article status before going after another FAC. Thanks for all your help; the article is better than it was. Torchiest talkedits 00:11, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
No problem. And I think you're right, they're not interested if you haven't been there for 80 years already. But a few more GA's would certainly help. If I can be of help with getting other articles to GA status, let me know. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 02:39, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Nightmares Made Flesh[edit]

How is the booklet not reliable? M4pnt (talk) 06:08, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I did not do that purposely, I guess I followed your instructions incorrectly. Since you know how to it properly do you mind fixing it? M4pnt (talk) 06:54, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

The problem is the booklet states bloodbath wrote the songs. What have you fixed? M4pnt (talk) 08:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Well once again the problem is although Allmusic is a good site, we can't take it's word over the band itself. For unknown reasons as to why the band didn't write the songs individually really shouldn't matter. With that being said, the band chose to write them all together as non-descriptive as that looks, regardless, we must revert the edits once again. M4pnt (talk) 08:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

you may check the discuss page. M4pnt (talk) 09:36, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

WTF?! (album) -> WTF?![edit]

Just in case you hadn't seen it, I requested this move, but someone objected. If you have anything to add to the discussion, post here. Thanks. Torchiest talkedits 16:42, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Destroy Erase Improve[edit]

I thought that you couldn't collapse ep's and now you're telling me about this. There's no miscommunications or anything I honestly thought you just couldn't collapse ep's. I felt that's bonus tracks should be collapsed for the fact that it is not part of the real release of the album. Btw the english is my lingo and everything it's that I didn't know everything is a big deal and that you would hound on me for everything. M4pnt (talk) 21:09, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I tried reading all these polices and it's too long with all these wiki terms/lingo. Even though you discredited yourself as a user who seems not to know too much it seems like you do so if I do something wrong you may correct it that's all and it's not me trying to be a jerk or ignoring everything I'm trying to make sense or everything like I understood what I've been told about original research. Now that made sense. M4pnt (talk) 02:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

KMFDM band members[edit]

Hey, you wouldn't happen to have any images of any other members of KMFDM, past or present? We're missing a lot of key members: Andy, Raymond, Günter, and Tim. Even Bill or Mark would be good additions. Using promotional images is tricky, though, and I'm not sure about all the ins and outs of getting them into an article safely, or if that's even possible for a Featured Article. Maybe we could ask on UHB? Torchiest talkedits 23:17, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

UHB might be able to help, someone who takes pictures at shows could upload their photos for our use. I've never taken photos at shows, though, so I'm personally not much help (sorry). MrMoustacheMM (talk) 03:22, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


Hey, I'm starting to work on adding more information to Nihil, so if you want to start looking around for interviews or other good references to add details, maybe we can start moving it towards a Good Article Nomination in the next month. Thanks. Torchiest talkedits 18:59, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

KMFDM peer review[edit]

Here's the link to the peer review page, if you want to watch it. Oh, I never mentioned my grand master plan. I was hoping to get KMFDM to featured article status this year, and then try to submit it to be the featured article of the day for February 29, 2012, since it would be the actual correct date for the 28th anniversary of the band's founding. We still have a year to go for that, but if we miss it, we'll have to wait four more years. Alternately, we could just wait until 2024, and hit a nice round 40th anniversary. Torchiest talkedits

Haha, cool. We'll see if we can't get that done! Watched. MrMoustacheMM (talk) 00:53, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

current members[edit]

why repeat when it's listed below already? Why does wikipedia have listed below then for? It's on multiple articles already why hasn't it been removed then.M4pnt (talk) 05:29, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

dependent lower case[edit]

Hey, check out the dependent website. There's a link in their article. I just moved the article a couple days ago to match what the website said, but I didn't get around to cleaning up the text of the article. I don't think it's possible to create an article that doesn't capitalize the first letter, or if it is, I don't know how to do it. Torchiest talkedits 16:01, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Actually, according to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(trademarks)#Trademarks_that_begin_with_a_lowercase_letter, it should be capitalised. And yeah, you can't create an article with a lower-case first letter.MrMoustacheMM (talk) 16:07, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
Okay, works for me. Thanks for finding that. Torchiest talkedits 16:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC)


I'm not sure if you've already got this watchlisted, but it's currently a featured article candidate. I've made some improvements to it in the last few days, but it needs a lot of work, if you're interested in trying to chip in too. Cheers. Torchiest talkedits 16:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I used to have it watchlisted, but apparently I unselected it. Anyway, I've re-added it, and I'll have a look through it in the next few days or so. Thanks for the info! MrMoustacheMM (talk) 02:42, 31 March 2011 (UTC)